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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on November 17, 2005, 11:27:58 PM
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I can't beleive it's not banned allready. :rofl
Marriages between cousins should be banned after research showed alarming rates in defective births among Asian communities in Britain, a Labour MP said last night.
The report, commissioned by Ann Cryer, revealed that the Pakistani community accounted for 30 per cent of all births with recessive disorders, despite representing 3.4 per cent of the birth rate nationwide.
"We address problems of smoking, drinking, obesity and we say it's a public health issue, therefore we have to get involved with persuading people to adopt a different lifestyle," the MP for Keighley, Bradford, told BBC2's Newsnight programme last night.
"I think this should be applied to the Asian community. They must look outside the family for husbands and wives for their young people."
It is estimated that more than 55 per cent of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins, resulting in an increasing rate of genetic defects and high rates of infant mortality. The likelihood of unrelated couples having the same variant genes that cause recessive disorders are estimated to be 100-1. Between first cousins, the odds increase to as much as one in eight.
In Bradford, more than three quarters of all Pakistani marriages are believed to be between first cousins. The city's Royal Infirmary Hospital has identified more than 140 different recessive disorders among local children, compared with the usual 20-30.
The findings were expected to be condemned by the Asian community, in which many see the tradition of marriages between first cousins as culturally fundamental.
"You have an understanding, you have the same family history," said Neila Butt, who has had two children with her husband, Farooq, her first cousin. "It's just a nicer emotional feel."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/16/ncous16.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/11/16/ixhome.html
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Marriages between cousins should be banned after research showed alarming rates in defective births among Asian communities in Britain, a Labour MP said last night.
It's not just among Asain communities: The royal families of Europe have had health problems...
Czar Nicholas and Alexandria had a child who was hemopheliac, and that gene was passed to him by his grandmother, Queen Victoria.
Makes you wonder...
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I mean we really don't have much room to talk with KINtucky and Arkansas and such but I do beleive it's at least banned in those states.
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Children of non-related couples have a 2-3% risk of birth defects, as opposed to first cousins having a 4-6% risk. Genetic counseling is available for those couples that may be at a special risk for birth defects (e.g. You have a defect that runs in your family) In plain terms first cousins have at a 94 percent + chance of having healthy children. Check the links section for more information on genetic counselors. The National Society of Genetic Counselors estimated the increased risk for first cousins is between 1.7 to 2.8 percent, or about the same a any woman over 40 years of age.
It is estimated that 20 percent of all couples worldwide are first cousins. It is also estimated that 80 percent of all marriages historically have been between first cousins.
26 states allow first cousin marriages; Most people can marry their cousin in the US.
source (http://www.cousincouples.com/info/facts.shtml)
another opinion (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/041001.html)
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That's a pretty small health hazard to the baby. 40+ women having children has a high risk of birth defects too, should it be banned then?
It's legal here as it should be IMO.
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Well mora considering Finland has a high rate of inherent genetic diseases, IMO they should ban the marriage of second cousins too. Finns are pretty inbred due to historic reasons.
I married a mediterranean girl who is herself a mix of two nationalities. Enuff said.
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Well if we go by the holy "Think of the children" POV, then there's a whole lot of people that shouldn't be allowed to marry. To be sure we could use castration too.
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And repeal the "dead wife's sister act" while you're at it!
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I'd say it more like 'think of your kids becoming three legged/retarded' kind of line. There are billions of women in this world. WTF would you marry your own cousin?
Roughly translated it means you aint going out much.. Live in the middle age.
Not speaking of you now mora, I doubt you married your cousin.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I'd say it more like 'think of your kids becoming three legged/retarded' kind of line. There are billions of women in this world. WTF would you marry your own cousin?
Roughly translated it means you aint going out much.. Live in the middle age.
I don't care what their reasons are. Those people aren't violating my rights in any way, so I don't have reason(or right) to control and legislate them.
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Mum I do belive I've lost me balls...
Oh Blimey I knew I 'ad when I left Buckingham...Bloddy Codgers!
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From a financial point of view in the uk we all contribute to the NHS out of our pay packets roughly 20 pound per week about 35 dollars to healthcare so that if we get taken ill we get free treatment.
If these inbreds are taken up hospital space because they cant marry outside of their families somethings up.
I pity their kids.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
From a financial point of view in the uk we all contribute to the NHS out of our pay packets roughly 20 pound per week about 35 dollars to healthcare so that if we get taken ill we get free treatment.
If these inbreds are taken up hospital space because they cant marry outside of their families somethings up.
I pity their kids.
Well if you start to legislate how people should live from the the public health care cost perspective, then it will hit yourself at some point. There would be even better reasons to legislate what people should eat. Goverment diet only for everyone ,and no alcohol or any drink with sugar content which is bad for your teeth(I doubt the UK is spending much on that department :)).
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Those people aren't violating my rights in any way, so I don't have reason(or right) to control and legislate them.
Uh you don't think they are not violating you if they contaminate the gene pool? Pretty short sighted thinking there.
The inbreading can hit you in ways you can't seem to imagine. Starting from retarded/violent behaviour where you too can be affected and ending to your own children getting mixed up with these people and getting the damaged genom into your family.
I know I do not want my children to inherit any kind of genetic disease. Not if I can help it anyway. Even though I'm only 5th generation finn I already carry some of the finnish heritage inside me. Unfortunately.
(I doubt the UK is spending much on that department )
You missed the Jamie Oliver tv-show where he campaigned against the sugarcoated greasebomb diet of english schoolsystem? He showed the school administration that you can make healthy food for the same price at which they were producing industrial crap for the kids. Processed pizza, hamburgers that had meat-like soft material between them and french fries fried in animal fat. Vending machines to top it off.. no wonder they had a problem.
In fact the englishmen recently studied the finnish school nutrition system to get some pointers on a healthy school diet.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Uh you don't think they are not violating you if they contaminate the gene pool? Pretty short sighted thinking there.
The inbreading can hit you in ways you can't seem to imagine. Starting from retarded/violent behaviour where you too can be affected and ending to your own children getting mixed up with these people and getting the damaged genom into your family.
If I go to a control freak mode, then I could think of many many other things that could potentially be much more harmful to me than first cousins, 40+ women, or some other retards having children.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
You missed the Jamie Oliver tv-show where he campaigned against the sugarcoated greasebomb diet of english schoolsystem?
I did catch a few episodes of that series, just unbelievable what crap they are feeding them. I actually meant that I don't believe that the UK is spending much on dental care(as is obvious if you look in the mouth of an englishman).
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Mora the difference with 40+ mothers and inbreading is that the latter produces long term irreversable damage and amplifies any tendencies of inherent diseases. An old mother may deliver a handicapped child but the handicap as far as I understand it will not be inherent.
Are you saying that a healthy mother can damage the genom by giving birth on old age? That would be new to me.
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I can't beleive that some of you are actually defending in-breeding :lol
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My wife was a lil over 40 when she gave birth to my Son.
He's now 7 and very intelligent for his age. He's very artistic, picked up playing the piano at 5 on his own and I've had to string two guitars since then. The first 2 wheeler bike he had had training wheels and they came off the next day.
When he was 4 he kept calling me "Day". I asked him why he was calling me Day? He said because I call him Son (Sun), and you can't have a "Day" without a "Sun". Still calls me Day or Pops.
I used to tell him we got him from the Zoo that he used to be a monkey and we had his tail removed and it's kept in a Post Office box. That if he acts up we can have it reattached and return him back to the Zoo and exchange him for his Brother... Wifey told me to knock it off... Well the first time we went to the Zoo I had Jake on my shoulders, he holds on to my ears, and when we got to the Monkey cages...I had forgotten all about the Monkey tail/Monkey Brother thing... He yells out "Hey there's my Brother!!!" This Monkey was just screaming away. All the people there was laffin at Jake... Boy Wifeys eyes were burning holes into my head... only thing she said was "See?" :furious
It's all good!
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Mac
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Mora the difference with 40+ mothers and inbreading is that the latter produces long term irreversable damage and amplifies any tendencies of inherent diseases. An old mother may deliver a handicapped child but the handicap as far as I understand it will not be inherent.
Are you saying that a healthy mother can damage the genom by giving birth on old age? That would be new to me.
Yes you're correct but that wasn't my point. I never said that inbreeding is a good thing. This is just another matter I'm uncomfortable with legislating.