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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Simaril on November 19, 2005, 10:37:09 AM
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Not its characteristics (which are wonderful) -- but its bottom line performance in the arena.
Its KPD is only 1.11, comparable to the 1.15 of the La-7, the 1.14 of the N1K1, this tour. Its worse than the tiffy in that department (1.47).
It is the new toy out of its box, and it has seen a lot of use. I suspect theres been some pilots migrating from Lalas to the XVI, as the La kills seen down from past tours.
It hasnt overwhelmed the MA in quality, or really in numbers. it accounts for only 8% of all air Ma kills.
Its everywhere, but it hasnt been imbalancing. I'm betting it doesnt get perked.
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In the past I have successfully shot down the entire BT squad in a them vs. myself incident. More than once.
Last night, I got 3 out of 4. The only survivor was BTAirsol flying a P-51D. The rest were Spit 16s...I too was a Spit 16. I don't see any problem with the 16 with it's current ENY value (5).
In fact, my biggest headache has been AKkobek (under a new name) in Spitfire 8's. He can fly that sucker. Our first engagement by the time I realized he was actually going to fight well...it was too late. We were engaged for perhaps a minute and he took that sucker right to the edge of the envelope and I couldn't keep the 38J with him.
Also in furballs I see less 8's than 16s...and am more cautious of the 8's.
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This has been the first month with the Spit 16. You have to remember that everyone and their mother has been out in the Spit 16. A lot of those people in the Spit 16's are awful spit pilots who just wanted to test out the characteristics and the new plane.
The real numbers will come next month.
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in the spit16 you can chase a lala for a little while, or turn fight and own a zeke. its uber and probably deserves a perk, but so do many other planes that are not so im in two minds. It's clearly the replacement for the spit5 enthusiasts. The 8 is far more like a spit5 in true performance, but our aceshigh spit16 is just aas good as the old spit5, if not better with the roll rate and engine. it flatturns a little slower, and stalls about 5mph faster but its overall performance i would rate as the best in the entire game, with out a doubt.
if the old spit5 could be compared to a sopwith camel, this new spit16 would be a pitts special.
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Originally posted by mechanic
if the old spit5 could be compared to a sopwith camel, this new spit16 would be a pitts special.
:lol
and you would know
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There is no sense in perked Spit14 and nonperked Spit16, because 16 outperform 14 in every aspect, exept hi-alt performance.
Overall K/D mean nothing.
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just because the single time you've flown has been in mars' pitts you feel like a charter pilot in Air America.........lol.
i'll have you know matey, i got almost 10 hours towards my ppl, have flown and landed gliders, done training with RAF cadets and I live not more than 2 miles from the 3rd busiest airport in the UK. thats not to mention the many many pleasure cruises and aerobatic trips i have been lucky enough to be a passenger on.
you have no clue of my knoledge of any certain aircraft.
In truth i have not been in a pitts, nor in an airborne camel, but i have seen both flying and know enough about the two to make that comparison.
more importantly if you looked further than your pathetic attempt to flame me into a war you would see my comparison is more than valid too.
you should feel fortunate i even gave you this reply, dont beg like a little doggy for more, its so undignified.
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It is just my opinion that there is no way the Spit16 should be perked.
I think the LA7 sets the bar for perking. And the LA7 is a monster, and I don't think it should be perked.
My comment to HT is simply this.
Since we are (and should be) leaving the LA7's and Spit16s unperked.
Why do we perk the TA152 and the C Hog?
My facts could be wrong, but I beleive we had more C Hogs in WW2 than 3 cannon LA7's.
And the TA152 just isn't that good to rate a perk. Even with a cheapo perk tag, no one flys it much.
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Morph's flown the Pitts a lot more than one time, the bastard.
:mad:
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
My facts could be wrong, but I beleive we had more C Hogs in WW2 than 3 cannon LA7's.
367 3x cannon armed La-7s vs 150 CHOGS
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Originally posted by mechanic
just because the single time you've flown has been in mars' pitts you feel like a charter pilot in Air America.........lol.
i'll have you know matey, i got almost 10 hours towards my ppl, have flown and landed gliders, done training with RAF cadets and I live not more than 2 miles from the 3rd busiest airport in the UK. thats not to mention the many many pleasure cruises and aerobatic trips i have been lucky enough to be a passenger on.
you have no clue of my knoledge of any certain aircraft.
In truth i have not been in a pitts, nor in an airborne camel, but i have seen both flying and know enough about the two to make that comparison.
more importantly if you looked further than your pathetic attempt to flame me into a war you would see my comparison is more than valid too.
you should feel fortunate i even gave you this reply, dont beg like a little doggy for more, its so undignified.
LOL 10 hours. YAY. You're my new hero. :lol
How little you know.
You havent flown a Pitts, so you cant compare a spit16 to a Pitts. LOL
I have flown it alot more than you think and I wouldnt compare it to even an a6m. LOL
Im not flaming you into a war. Paranoid little twit.
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Morph unless you're gods gift to aviation...shaddup :)
It's his analogy so let him have it.
Personally, I wouldn't call any Spitfire a Camel and I wouldn't call any Spitfire a Pitts.
I'd take any Spitfire over both of them any day of the week...and twice on sunday.
Back to the game...Go Buckeyes!
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Originally posted by Golfer
Morph unless you're gods gift to aviation...shaddup :)
It's his analogy so let him have it.
Personally, I wouldn't call any Spitfire a Camel and I wouldn't call any Spitfire a Pitts.
I'd take any Spitfire over both of them any day of the week...and twice on sunday.
Back to the game...Go Buckeyes!
did i say i was jerkoff?
lol and who are you?
you just agreed with me so what's the problem?
his comparisons are so out of wack that you wouldnt have to know much about aviation to begin with to know he's a complete fool to make the comparisons he has.
Oh toejam me i forgot, he lives next to an airport. LOL ****, with that kind of connection one must be lead to beleive he is the tom cruise of aviation.
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Or you and Mars could jump in the pitts and head over to the UK, land at the 3rd busiest airport and give mechanic some pointers, I hear he lives nearby so he should be easy to find. :aok
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i liv3 by a purdy big air port. i am t3h ub3r. i no all th3r is 2 no bout planz. perc dat spit.
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I would have said "STFU" :furious
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Originally posted by Golfer
But hey...you say yourself it's an internet BBs and there are no feelings involved. I have to side with Mechanic on that one.
No double standards, homey.
where was I expressing my feelings you trolling tard?
I said what a wanted to say and that was it. Me expressing my feelings would be telling you that you absolutely suck at song writing lol. Then I would be expressing some feelings.
if he's going to compare a spit16 to an aerobatic plane such as a Pitts he's a fool, and you're a bigger one if you're going to take his side. Double standards? ROFL, yeah.
And one more thing, if you want to side with some kid who dresses up as a clown and dates 14 year olds, that's your problem, not mine.
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The kill ratios are misleading. LA7s and Nikis are flown in a more BnZ style for the most part. Make a pass, and run away. The spit16 is being flown on the deck, in furballs. Make no mistake..the Spit16 in this game is a MUCH better plane than a Nik or LA7. The spit turns mediocre pilots into killers....in a furball...not just BnZ like the Nik and LA. Its ability to reverse is my biggest beef with it. Its such a monster...it can slow down, cause bad overshoots and then it has so much horsepower that it can recover instantly. It doesn’t really turn that well actually, but it doesn’t have to....you can reverse so much in it, the average person will not even be able to keep track of you. Its like a Zeke minus the turning ability, but with a ton more horsepower.
I have only flown that plane in furballs, and have a 3 to 1 K/D. Now, my SA is terrible, and there’s no way I could fly any other plane as carelessly as I fly the Spit16, and still maintain that ratio.
Should it be perked? I dont know...maybe a little. The silly thing is some of the planes that are perked are not nearly as good and are totally outclassed by the 16. The Spit14 and TA152 come to mind. The CHog should be unperked as well. Either that, or the 16 should be perked and made more expensive than those 3 planes.
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Hey let's explore the Dressing up as a Clown part again.
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Its simple really, the clown embodies the true meaning of his life. One big joke. :)
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God dangit! I WANT MY 2 MINUTES BACK!!!
That's how much time I wasted reading the crap on this thread
(*walks away, shaking head, muttering under breath*)
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somebodys time of the day i see.:eek:
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spit 16 must be perked.
The spit 14 is perked right? and spit 16 has even a HIGHER version number!
Besides, there were less spit 16 with beads seat cover produced than 262s with rabit-foot key holders and those are perked.
Bozon
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Originally posted by bozon
spit 16 must be perked.
The spit 14 is perked right? and spit 16 has even a HIGHER version number!
Bozon
:lol :aok
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Originally posted by Golfer
Not trolling...
I'm not saying he is or isn't a fool, oh eloquent king of wit.
I'm not taking his side about which airplane is better and why...but going back to your monster troll which you yourself stated it's just a BBs and thus not emotional. Name calling is getting emotional. I'm siding with him that pushing someone's buttons 'just because you can' should bring a little bit of a penalty. Do it in a bar...get in a fight. Do it on here behind the protection of a monitor in his case an ocean away...juvenile.
I'm suggesting holding yourself to a higher standard rather than rolling in the mud...but if that's what floats your boat who am I to say you're wrong.
Make up your mind.
lol so very true. For it was he who told me he was going to "Puffy my eye and deal with me like all the rest". :lol
I find it enjoyable in some twisted way to call him out on his bs little lies. Such as his oath to never post on the BB again. Which turned into never posting in the General ever again. Or his oath to never respond to me again. LOL. Oh the joy.:D
I would never want him to stop posting here. For it is him in my presence that makes me feel that much better about being me.
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Originally posted by Golfer
fine then...be better than him.
Slinging mud doesn't do anything but make you stink. He says he'll puffy your eye, laugh at the absurdity of such a statement and write him off as an internet tough guy rather than say he puffys peters or something silly.
Every thread degenerating into a blueknight vs batfink witfest is getting old...especially when I want to read about aces high in the aces high part of the forum.
noted ty
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The Spit16 converted alot of Lgay twinks, that alone made the game better. Leave it unperked so long as the Lgay is un-perked. The simple fact is the majority will fly whichever plane they perceive is the easiest as it conforms to their aptitudes and preferred fighting style, the wider the variety of ez-mode planes we have the more diverse the airplane demographic in the MA will be, which is always a good thing. If you go and perk the few great rides that would otherwise just be marginal perk rides you will do nothing but herd everyone into the few ez mode rides that are, for whatever reason, left unperked, killing the diversity.
I for one don't mind any plane in the MA, I just don't want to see 10 times the number of any plane over the others as was the problem with the Lgay. The novelty will wear off on the Spit16 in a few weeks and it will fall into the 5-8% kill rate of the other uber un-perked rides.
Zazen
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Edited my posts...
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The SpitXVI should be perked at least as much as CHOG...don't want to say why cause that would be giving it away.
in the mean time..HORRIDOOOO!:D
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Originally posted by Morpheus
his comparisons are so out of wack that you wouldnt have to know much about aviation to begin with to know he's a complete fool to make the comparisons he has.
the sopwith camel was noted for its exceptional manouverability, but I imagine something like the pitts special (another bipe for the comparison) would make the sopwith seem very low rate.
my comparison used that fact to describe the spit16 making the old spit5 seem very low rate and no longer needed.
why do some people always read things the way the want to and not think for a second?
there, this time you got a quote and a reply!! w00t quah!! quah! wooowoo got one hooked!
keep trying really hard, in between hurling abuse at other decent people and one day you might even force me to take action agaisnt you for a second time.
i hoped that if i made myself such an easy target so regularly you would get bored of doing it but i was wrong. i leave it for a bit then first post you nail me again.
its so sad the enjoyment you get out of such a meaningless challenge as fooling with someone who offers themself on a plate (clown photo, reply after reply to flames) to be ridiculed.
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Are the bks gone yet?:confused:
Great, back to the subject now.
The la7 is faster than the spit16 and accelerations seem to be the same.
Sit 16 has a great roll rate and the stick stirrers seem to have caught on about that and now use it to benefit them, just like the 190a5/8's. But a great roll rate also allows you to change directions very quickly plus it should be a great scissor fighter.
Overall, I'd like to see the la7's with a tiny perk value, or at least, a low eny value if it doesn't have one already. The la7 can dive out of a fight at anytime. Even an la7 can outturn a tempest in the flats.
Conclusion, the spit16 is overall better than the spit14. The la7 is better than the spit16. Using that logic, the perk system may need to be adjusted again.
Although, whatever HTC does, I will stand with them.
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
Hey let's explore the Dressing up as a Clown part again.
Undated photo of BBQ-Bob and two Unknighted pilots showing off their new flight suits.
(http://www.carnivalstore.co.uk/images/clowns.jpg)
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Morpheus
I would never want him to stop posting here. For it is him in my presence that makes me feel that much better about being me.
wow, missed this one.....LOL.....couldnt of said it better myself dikwad,
you NEED me and other like me to make your life seem better.
in case you care, within two years i hope to be living in a monestry in the himmies to study the life craft of these wise people. I, morpheus, am perfectly and 100% totaly satisfied within myself to the degree where i could live my life alone without seeing another soul and not have a bad day.
you need me, i just pity you.
I always enjoyed your stupid games, what really shook me was that you managed to get an entire squad almost into your manipulative little world. here is the bit where i say ' i know your type'. you talk big and could probably bullchit your way to a good wage and flatulant life, but if the crap really hit the fan you would cry for help. you're like cartman but without the genius. in fact your like that kid from one of the national lampoon films that buys his younger brother a hooker.
so,please continue, if i can service you on thse boards for the time i live in your society then i will endevour to bite even your weakest trolls, for i see the benifit in your life from my minimal effort.
I am glad that i can help.
you say my life is a joke?
let me ask you this, what is the meaning of your life?
answer me that and i will grant you another week of replies.
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Originally posted by mechanic
in the spit16 you can chase a lala for a little while, or turn fight and own a zeke. its uber and probably deserves a perk, but so do many other planes that are not so im in two minds. It's clearly the replacement for the spit5 enthusiasts. The 8 is far more like a spit5 in true performance, but our aceshigh spit16 is just aas good as the old spit5, if not better with the roll rate and engine. it flatturns a little slower, and stalls about 5mph faster but its overall performance i would rate as the best in the entire game, with out a doubt.
if the old spit5 could be compared to a sopwith camel, this new spit16 would be a pitts special.
Your perception of the Spitfire XVI is a little to gracious and off the mark. Yes, it's got an exceptional climb rate and acceleration and rolls almost as good as an A series FW190 but these things come at a price. The negatives is a decreased turning radius as a result of the clipped wings (it's great roll rate comes at a price) and less than stellar high and low speed handling. Performance also decreases at medium and high altitudes. It is best flown as a E fighter, using E tactics such as Boom N Zoom passes or high speed passes and then use it's acceleration and climb rate to get you out of guns range after your pass. Like the XIV, it's not a turn fighter like the IX and other Spitfires and that is the mistake almost everyone that flies it makes.
And I also think the XIV shouldn't be perked either.
ack-ack
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honestly sir, with all due respect, i dont think you have flown it as much as i have if you are giving such a text book respone.
i stand by my statement: you can chase a lala for a limited time only, and you can certainly outmanouver a zeke low n slow no problem.
we could go into films and explaining moves but its really just my opinion vs yours still.
to clarify even more i will state, the spit16 is just a notch less effective as a turn fighter as the mkV, but it is miles ahead in all aspects of dogfighting than the mk9 ever was or will be *in aces high*
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Mechanic/Batfink
Your just pissed the BJK's never invited you in to their thinga me bob
I live next to an Airport, and I can fly like fe(k too, In fact I once jumped out of an Aircraft that was still flying and beat it to the ground which means that I have better flight characteristics, shame on tnat C130.
Before you say so, I don't particularly like Morpheus, but at least he makes sense (ok I may be losing it) ok, some sense !
wipass
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Originally posted by mechanic
i stand by my statement: you can chase a lala for a limited time only, and you can certainly outmanouver a zeke low n slow no problem.
It is comments like this that kill any and all integrity of what you have to add.
There is not a snow balls chance in hell that with equal pilots fighting in a low and slow turn fight, that the spit16 will win. The only way this will happen is if the zeek augers on the merge. Other than that, if both commit 110% to a turn fight, forget about it, the zeek is going to eat the spit16 for breakfast, lunch and dinner, then watermelon it out and do a dance around it's digested fecal remnants.
Now stop trolling with your chitty misinforming bullchit and add something useful. Or stfu.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Undated photo of BBQ-Bob and two Unknighted pilots showing off their new flight suits.
(http://www.carnivalstore.co.uk/images/clowns.jpg)
ack-ack
Hey that's funny but this was emailed to us with the subject line...
"ack ack's offical squad photo"
(http://www.psyonic.dsl.pipex.com/pride4_12.jpg)
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Perk the XVI...yawn.
Shouldn't compare the XVI to the XIV, totally different animals designed to fight at different alts. Ditto for our IX, its the Merlin 61 med/high alt version.
You'll only catch a Lala in a dive from higher up than him.
No way it turns as well as a Zeke.
Funny -
1) Take a 1943 LF IX.
2) Put the same motor in, but one that was manufactured in the USA. (Merlin 266 was USA produced Merlin 66)
3) Give it an 'e' wing.
4) Change the Mk number because of the retooling needed for USA measurements. This is the reason it wasn't left as a Mk IX designation.
5) Wait for the perk the Spit whines.
In other words, remove the 'e' wing on it and replace it with a 'universal' wing you have a 1943 LF IX, exactly the same performance.
No reason to perk what is a 1943 LF IX with an 'e' wing.
If it was, it would make what is essentially performance wise for a Spit (1943), the earliest perked plane in the game by a long way.
Dont get me wrong though.
You will see a lot of VIIIs and XVIs because for the MA (low alt furballs) they are better suited than the IX and the XIV.
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Originally posted by mechanic
honestly sir, with all due respect, i dont think you have flown it as much as i have if you are giving such a text book respone.
i stand by my statement: you can chase a lala for a limited time only, and you can certainly outmanouver a zeke low n slow no problem.
we could go into films and explaining moves but its really just my opinion vs yours still.
to clarify even more i will state, the spit16 is just a notch less effective as a turn fighter as the mkV, but it is miles ahead in all aspects of dogfighting than the mk9 ever was or will be *in aces high*
Get into a low speed turn/stall fight with a Zero/Zeke and you'll see how quickly you'll be sent to the tower. Better yet, show us a film of you in a low speed/stall fight with one in a XVI.
I have fought against numerous XVI's and not one of them has been able to stick with my P-38J in a low speed turn fight when the speed has dipped below 150mph IAS or slower. A Spitfire XIV has a better turning ability than the XVI. Those clipped wings come at a price.
ack-ack
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Equally strange there's been no thread suggesting the VIII gets perked.
Compared to the XVI the XIII -
Same motor.
Slightly heavier with full fuel. (has wing tanks)
Turns better.
Rolls worse.
Slightly faster.
With same fuel load as the XVI, the VIII will climb slighly faster (approx extra 200fpm).
It's gotta be the 'XVI' tag thats got people 'confused'/upset.
So you perk the XVI, everyone moves to the VIII, people realise its almost identical to the XVI, it gets perked, viola, we're back to a 1942 Spit IX.
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I say perk everything reguardless of plane type.
both fighters and bombers
and perk them by year.
1939-41 = 0 perks
1942-43 = moderately perked
1944-45 = heavily perked
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I dont think, the spit16 is all that great, great enough to be perked.
Its fast, but not extremly fast, its manuverable, but there are far better turn fighters in the game. In the end it all comes down to the fight, and who's flying what and how its being flown.
You can fly a 51 in the MA and NEVER die. Sticking only to BnZ, managing your energy down to the last drop. Is it perked? No. But it remains unperked for many reasons.
This is a game, and people want to have fun. In the end, paying for planes is not fun, regardless of how many perks you have saved up. There are those planes that stick out in the plane set. Such as the tempest and the Me262. The MA would not be a fun place if it were full of tempests and 262's running around. Atleast not for those who do not want to fly late war monsters. That's why they're perked.
Spit16's are pretty easy to deal with. They climb good, they have good speed, but that is about it. They do not turn well enough to be able to out turn every single plane in the game. They are not going to run down an La7, then win a turn fight with a zeek flying both planes on the stall envelope. No way in hell.
This thread is identical to the Ki84 threads when it first came out. Everyone thought that the Ki84 was going to be gods gift to AH. One that can run down mustangs at 550mph and then win a turn fight with EVERYTHING then be back at 550mph in no time.
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Just from what my outside observations are.
I havent flown the new dwee errr Spit 16
But nears as I can tell from fighting against them.
Reasonably fast.
Rolls well
Climb well for a while.
Turns and loops. Do both very well in the beginning of a fight but the longer the fight wears on the less effective its turn rate seems to be.
Reminds me kinda of the FW a5.
Like I said, thats how they seem to me from going against them
Seems like a good plane to cherry pick in though
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Call me crazy, but I'm not thinking perking it would do anything but turn it into a hangar queen. I've been flying the XVI a lot lately, and it seems to me, (hopefully I'm what you would consider an average MA pilot), that the XVI is great at midalt fighting, being fairly fast, fairly well armed, and fairly maneuverable. Okay, this stands to reason that it would be good at what it's designed for. It still is outgunned by more than a few planes, outrun by more than a few planes, and outturned by more than a few planes.
In addition, although this isn't that important to me, it doesn't have a massive ord loadout, and it's not all that great at extreme alts. Its relative abundance has neutered any real semblance of imbalance - if everybody is flying the same plane, the strengths of a particular plane over the others becomes a moot point.
Just my $.02.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Just from what my outside observations are.
I havent flown the new dwee errr Spit 16
But nears as I can tell from fighting against them.
Reasonably fast.
Rolls well
Climb well for a while.
Turns and loops. Do both very well in the beginning of a fight but the longer the fight wears on the less effective its turn rate seems to be.
Reminds me kinda of the FW a5.
Like I said, thats how they seem to me from going against them
Seems like a good plane to cherry pick in though
And (due to the inexperienced pilots) a nice plane to cherry pick ON....
Tonite rode a B-pony toward FT base, found a spit coming toward me 2K below. Engaged, looped over, he did same, but he didnt manage E at all -- I relaxed the next loop wnough that it turned into a wussy rope, and next thing I know th XVI stalls. I had to get all aggressive to put a ping on it so it wouldnt be a proxy. Nice thing is -- you can get a lot of perks in a hurry against the XVI, even if you'r ea dweeb like me!
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Get into a low speed turn/stall fight with a Zero/Zeke and you'll see how quickly you'll be sent to the tower. Better yet, show us a film of you in a low speed/stall fight with one in a XVI.
I have fought against numerous XVI's and not one of them has been able to stick with my P-38J in a low speed turn fight when the speed has dipped below 150mph IAS or slower. A Spitfire XIV has a better turning ability than the XVI. Those clipped wings come at a price.
ack-ack
i'd be more than willing to contend your statements about the zeke and the p38j vs the mmk16 in the DA? if you are willing to.
it is no problem chewing up a zeke in a spit5 right? the spit16 is hardly different, looks you, i started a spit squadron to put up the rejected spit dweebs in AH1 when spits were ghey, now everyone flies them but if i know one plane here i know my spit.. you're assumptions are based on lessskilled or unskilled opponents in the MA.
simbad the sailor.....you know blukitty anyone? ask him if he thinks he could take out a zeke in his mk16.
you akak are simply misjudging the potential of how this plane is modeled, and you morpheus/sinbad are just dribling at my feet like usual pouncing on my every possible tiny error and humping it quietly to yourself. you're no where near the pilot i might have once thought you were a while back, you are set by such weak limitations..
any how, enjoy the thread. these are my opinions, contest them in the DA if you will, but nolonger in words if you may.
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LOL OMG now you are king know it all of spits. ROTLFMFAO.
Anytime anywhere... You think you can beat me in a turn fight with me in a zeek, prove it.
PS- There were MANY people flying spits long before you ever entered the MA. :lol
And I dont care what ManeTMP/BluKitty thinks. lolol
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Originally posted by mechanic
it is no problem chewing up a zeke in a spit5 right? the spit16 is hardly different, looks you, i started a spit squadron to put up the rejected spit dweebs in AH1 when spits were ghey, now everyone flies them but if i know one plane here i know my spit.. you're assumptions are based on lessskilled or unskilled opponents in the MA.
Get pilots of equal skill in each of the planes and the Zeke/Zero will take the prize home. The Spitfire Vb cannot turn with a Zeke at medium and low speeds. If the Spitfire Vb pilot wants to try a turn fight, it's best to keep it at higher speeds where it does have the slighter edge. But in a substained turn fight and even in a stall fight, the Zeke has a significant edge.
The fact is, the Spitfire XVI is not all that great of a turn fighter compared to the other Spitfires. The Spitfire XIV turns better, the VIII turns better, the IX turns better, the Vb turns better, the Seafire IIc turns better, the Mk I turns better.
The clipped wings on the Spitfire XVI was not to make it turn better, it was to make it roll better at lower altitudes to go against the A series FW190s but these clipped wings come at a price and turning and low speed handling was the price the XVI sacrificed.
So far I've been 16-4 against Spitfires XVI and despite what you think, at least half of those kills were against pilots that are far better than yourself.
you akak are simply misjudging the potential of how this plane is modeled, and you morpheus/sinbad are just dribling at my feet like usual pouncing on my every possible tiny error and humping it quietly to yourself. you're no where near the pilot i might have once thought you were a while back, you are set by such weak limitations..
Why is it when someone disagrees with you that you take it as a personal insult? Are you that insecure about yourself? Just because from my experience I find that the Spitfire XVI is not the uber plane you think it is? Maybe it stems from the experience I have from fighting these planes and I hate to tell you, I've fought against far more better Spitfire pilot such as yourself and have a little more experience than you do.
Anyone can turn and burn in a Spitfire, it doesn't take all that much skill to be successful in one. You're proof of that.
If you want to duel, whenever you find me on holler.
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Mechanic,
Here's the thing, if I take a Spitfire XVI against an A6M2 or A6M5 I will win most of the time, but I won't win by out turning it in a stall fight like you are claiming I could. I will win by over powering it and out manuvering it at speed.
Any fighter in AH, particularly a heavier, later war varient like the Spitfire XVI, that tries to out turn an A6M2 or A6M5 in a stall fight will lose in short order. Nothing in AH turns as well in that circumstance as does an A6M.
When we get the Ki-43 we'll have something that will out do the A6Ms, but until then the A6M is the king of the stall fight.
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If you guys ever go to the DA film it and post it here then we all will know the facts.
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This is something that can filmed in a regular MA enviroment. All Mechanic needs to do is film himself in a substained turn fight with a Zeke/Zero in a Spitfire XVI.
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It amazes me how quickly and reliably any discussion turns into a poo-slingling contest.
I've learned through my own mistaken involvement in these fights to stay away....
The thing about poo slingling is that no matter who started it, no matter who's right, everybody in the fight comes out smelling bad.....If somebody is imitating the back of his lap, try just ignoring him -- after a simple "Wrong. DA, any time."
If nobody fights him, the poo slinger just ends up sitting by himself, with a room full of his own poo.
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ive turned with a zeke and got him to overshoot and kilt him with a 16. i dove to get him fast tho. last time i checked, zekes dont roll all that great.
a sustained turn fight at low speeds might get bad, but if that happens, i would use the 16s speed adv and grab out, then turn and set up fight on my terms again. so, even if you fight a zeke vs 16 in DA, there is an envelope that 16 is better than zeke in, and once the 16 leaves that envelope he can extend till he reaches it again.
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and it sure seems, that alot of people are making assumptions about "turning". I dont recall reading mechanic say anything about sustained flat turns in a loop. im thinking there is a tad more to "turn fighting" than sustained flat turns.
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Originally posted by Simaril
It amazes me how quickly and reliably any discussion turns into a poo-slingling contest.
It'll get worse, I promise.;)
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it is no problem chewing up a zeke in a spit5 right?
Wrong.
Run into the right Zeke pilot and start the fight slow ... the Zeke will clean your clock. If the Spit V out merges the Zeke, it will get one, maybe two clean snapshots, and if you don't finish the Zeke in those circumstances, its all over.
As most have mentioned here ... if the Spit V takes the fight at higher speeds, the Zekes chiity roll rate at high speed will be its undoing. Let the fight get slow and it's advantage Zeke.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I say perk everything reguardless of plane type.
both fighters and bombers
and perk them by year.
1939-41 = 0 perks
1942-43 = moderately perked
1944-45 = heavily perked
Nah Dred.
UNPERK EVERYTHING except the "Jet".
Think of everything that is perked ... why ? ... with the way that people now fly these days, along with the vast amount of people that are online, along with the plane set that is now available, I fail to believe that ANY plane will dominate the MA.
Remember, all the perking of planes was established back in a day when AH was far different than what we have today. Perking was needed back then ... it is not needed now.
I would love to see HT remove all perks (except for the "Jet") for at least 2 tours and lets see the stats ... I bet they wouldn't be much different that what we see now.
Planes should only be limited by their ENY factor ... not perks.
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What's perked ...
Ar234 - Leave it perked ... its a jet.
F4U-1C ... not the monster it once was, compared to what is available in the hanger these days.
F4U-4 ... not the monster it once was, compared to what is available in the hanger these days.
Me 163B ... leave it perked
Me 262A-1 ... leave it perked
Spit XIV ... not the monster it once was, compared to what is available in the hanger these days. High altitude flyer ... yeah ... lots of fights up there.
Ta 152H-1 ... oooooo ... what a monster !!! Unleash this and the whole MA will fall apart. Everybody will be ditching their current ride for this monster ... NOT !!!
Tempest ... not the monster it once was compare to what is available in the hanger these days.
Any plane that is "not the monster it once, was compared to what is available in the hanger these days" can easily be beaten by some of the newer variants that have been introduced over the past 3 years and could also be easily beaten by some that have been in the stable for years.
There are many more and better pilots in AH than there was when the "perks" were dealt out and for the reasons that they were delt out.
Drop the perks on the C-Hog and you will see C-Hogs everywhere ? I doubt it ... and if it were true ... then you would have alot of C-Hog vs C-Hog and what is wrong with that.
HT ... drop the "perks" and these silly "perk" discussions GO AWAY ... FOREVER !!!
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Originally posted by SlapShot
What's perked ...
Ar234 - Leave it perked ... its a jet.
F4U-1C ... not the monster it once was, compared to what is available in the hanger these days.
F4U-4 ... not the monster it once was, compared to what is available in the hanger these days.
Me 163B ... leave it perked
Me 262A-1 ... leave it perked
Spit XIV ... not the monster it once was, compared to what is available in the hanger these days. High altitude flyer ... yeah ... lots of fights up there.
Ta 152H-1 ... oooooo ... what a monster !!! Unleash this and the whole MA will fall apart. Everybody will be ditching their current ride for this monster ... NOT !!!
Tempest ... not the monster it once was compare to what is available in the hanger these days.
Any plane that is "not the monster it once, was compared to what is available in the hanger these days" can easily be beaten by some of the newer variants that have been introduced over the past 3 years and could also be easily beaten by some that have been in the stable for years.
There are many more and better pilots in AH than there was when the "perks" were dealt out and for the reasons that they were delt out.
Drop the perks on the C-Hog and you will see C-Hogs everywhere ? I doubt it ... and if it were true ... then you would have alot of C-Hog vs C-Hog and what is wrong with that.
HT ... drop the "perks" and these silly "perk" discussions GO AWAY ... FOREVER !!!
Right on Slap!!
I find it doesn't matter what the perk price is for a plane, I fly it differently than a free plane in the roughy the same category. I have plenty of perks to burn, so it;s not fear of loosing the perks that change my style of flying. I just don't enjoy having the hoard get infected with the "kil the perk bird" flu. ;)
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The Tempest is still the best prop plane in the game...bar none. Unperking it would be a big mistake. I do agree that some perked planes should be unperked though.
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Originally posted by BigR
The Tempest is still the best prop plane in the game...bar none. Unperking it would be a big mistake. I do agree that some perked planes should be unperked though.
Agreed.
those other planes should be unperked though.
La7 should be added to the perked list
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Why do people instist on demanding the La7 be perked?
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Originally posted by Morpheus
And I dont care what ManeTMP/BluKitty thinks. lolol
hahah, i KNEW it!!!!
i even have a film of Blukitty forcing an overshoot i such a similar style to mane, i labeled the film 'Blukitty=ManeTMP?'
S!! to ManeTMP, one of the best sticks in AH by a mile, he kicks dogdoo out of you morph, or you slapshot. and you know it......
infact...slappy, morph, I'll take you both on in your zekes, me in a spit5, low n slow. we'll see what happens. you name the time and place.
AKAK (and others) your opinions are fair, and called to the spec and stereotypes of these aircraft. what you are not taking into account is that even with equal pilots things are not so set in stone.
dogfighting is an art.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Why do people instist on demanding the La7 be perked?
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Because it has phenomenal range, carries a ton of ord and has the best guns in the game.
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hahaha, you yourself used to call me spit dweeb for flying a spit9 or 5 in tha AH1 MA. Soon as you all started flying them in AH2 you changed your mind.
Originally posted by Morpheus
And I dont care what ManeTMP/BluKitty thinks. lolol
hahah, i KNEW it!!!!
i even have a film of Blukitty forcing an overshoot i such a similar style to mane, i labeled the film 'Blukitty=ManeTMP?'
S!! to ManeTMP, one of the best sticks in AH by a mile, he kicks dogdoo out of you morph, or you slapshot. and you know it......
infact...slappy, morph, I'll take you both on in your zekes, me in a spit5, low n slow. we'll see what happens. you name the time and place.
AKAK (and others) your opinions are fair, and called to the spec and stereotypes of these aircraft. what you are not taking into account is that even with equal pilots things are not so set in stone.
dogfighting is an art. even with equal painting skills some artists still produce better creativity.
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Before it was a spit16 now its a 5? LOL.
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fine we can do spit16 first, then spit5.
If you really believe you can win this fight why are you still fighting here and not in the DA?
I'll go there now, and wait 5 mins for you. If you dont turn up this thread is dead for me, GAL.
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are you saying that you are better than both morph and slappy batclown?
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Why do people instist on demanding the La7 be perked?
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Because its a rocket ship with photon torpedoes
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furball stop enciting riot.
Morpheus VS batfink: zeke5b vs spit16: morpheus(zeke) wins handsdown
Morpheus VS batfink: zeke5b vs spit5: morpheus(zeke) wins handsdown
ok, i was wrong :D I havnt seen zeke flown like that in quite some time, infact maybe never.
i would say we are on more or less a level playing field for skill and the understanding of acms, morph being the better for experience and having refined his flying here for longer maybe so the test is fair, or as fair as needs be for this disagreement.
in the spit16 we merged and i had the option to rope or cut my power and turn fight for the test, so i did cut power and turn. not a chance agaisnt a zeke with a pilot like morph in it.
spit5 we merged, infact, i led the merge very low and slow but morpheus didnt fall for it and mirrored my merge perfectly. i instantly tried to take it rolling scossors and cut through my own loops to get an easy shot but all i can say is morpheus did the same thing but quicker, being in the zeke.
All i will say in contradiction of this is that morpheus in a zeke is quite obviously way ahead of me or the vast majority of other pilots in AH, in this i still stand by that nothing is set in stone. i geuss i choose a bad person to test my theory on :D
AKAK i stand corrected, and appologise.
morph, S! well flown, and point taken. shutting tfu now.
bat
edit:serious typos, sundays are hell.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Because its a rocket ship with photon torpedoes
Amazingly easy to kill to. *shrug*
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Originally posted by mechanic
AKAK i stand corrected, and appologise.
No need to .
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Originally posted by Simaril
It amazes me how quickly and reliably any discussion turns into a poo-slingling contest.
I've learned through my own mistaken involvement in these fights to stay away....
The thing about poo slingling is that no matter who started it, no matter who's right, everybody in the fight comes out smelling bad.....If somebody is imitating the back of his lap, try just ignoring him -- after a simple "Wrong. DA, any time."
If nobody fights him, the poo slinger just ends up sitting by himself, with a room full of his own poo.
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:mad: Hey, what you talking about? You know nothing about poo-slinging pal. Your sort make me sick. You spend a few hours slinging poo in the MA and you think you're the bl**dy king of poo-slingers. Don't tell me about poo-slinging. I spent 10 hours in the gents room yesterday. Got a sewage works next door and my best mate runs a manure and methane generating plant, so don't come on these boards with your half baked analogies about poo-slinging. I've even got a Bristol stool chart on the bedroom wall.
Oh yeah - and another thing. Just cos you live in Ohio thousands of miles from me, I bet it makes you feel real big to sling poo from behind the security of your PC. I'll out-turn your poo-slinging in the DA anytime pal. Then we'll see how big a poo-slinger you really are.
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S!! to ManeTMP, one of the best sticks in AH by a mile, he kicks dogdoo out of you morph, or you slapshot. and you know it......
Never said I was better than ManeTMP ... don't know where you got that. Don't think he would kick the dogdoo out of me, but I can guarantee that he would know he was in a fight.
Even tho Morph is a better pilot than I ... what Morph delt to you in the Zeke ... it would be instant replay if I was in the Zeke.
I have a fair amount of time in the Zeke ... when I fly H2H I usually fly the Zeke. Never has a Spit beat me one on one when flying a Zeke.
Seems like my description rang true ...
Run into the right Zeke pilot and start the fight slow ... the Zeke will clean your clock. If the Spit V out merges the Zeke, it will get one, maybe two clean snapshots, and if you don't finish the Zeke in those circumstances, its all over.
Live and Learn.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Even tho Morph is a better pilot than I ... what Morph delt to you in the Zeke ... it would be instant replay if I was in the Zeke.
I have a fair amount of time in the Zeke ... when I fly H2H I usually fly the Zeke. Never has a Spit beat me one on one when flying a Zeke.
if you say so, i will take your word for it now i have seen what is possible in zeke..
but what i saw from morph i have never seen before from a zeke, and i have fought your zeke b4.
anyhow, its moot now. I admited i was wrong, case closed.
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Its at the point where what Im seeig should no longer be called a "furball" but a "Spit ball" with soo many spits dancing around.
At one point fighting Rooks, out of about 20 enemy aircraft I counted 1 La7, 1 P51, 1 P38,1 Yak and no less then 16 spits in one area. And from what I could see of my countrymen. Most of them were too.
I do predict the new Spit16's will end up perked not because of flight perfomance,But due to overusage.
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Just checked XVI stats -
With 9 days till the end of tour it has been killed 22181 times.
Typically on the previous tours the La7 would be somewhere around 24000 - 26000 deaths each tour.
So it doesn't seem like the XVI is being used that much more than the La7, and the La7 was never perked for 'overusage'.
Interestingly enough the XVI is now the top killer of the La7.
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Really starting to dislike these forums.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Really starting to dislike these forums.
Really starting to like the way you kill Spits16s in your P40:)
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Originally posted by zazen13
The Spit16 converted alot of Lgay twinks, that alone made the game better. Leave it unperked so long as the Lgay is un-perked. The simple fact is the majority will fly whichever plane they perceive is the easiest as it conforms to their aptitudes and preferred fighting style, the wider the variety of ez-mode planes we have the more diverse the airplane demographic in the MA will be, which is always a good thing. If you go and perk the few great rides that would otherwise just be marginal perk rides you will do nothing but herd everyone into the few ez mode rides that are, for whatever reason, left unperked, killing the diversity.
What he said. And, as Kev367th noted, the XVI is nothing different from a IX, the one we have just has clipped wings.
And one more thing: I'm about to start MA, why do you want to perk a great ride for a n00b like me??!?? :mad: :cry :mad: :cry :cry
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i'll have you know matey, i got almost 10 hours towards my ppl, have flown and landed gliders, done training with RAF cadets and I live not more than 2 miles from the 3rd busiest airport in the UK. -Mechanic
HAHAHAHAHA....10 hours ...Your an expert huh? Good for you, its great your working on your PPL, but before you claim to be anything in aviation....Pass a checkride...Better yet, solo....I bet you own a military flight jacket with a custom name tag =)
On a side not, what in the hell does living within two miles of an airport have to do with anything....
BTW I have years of experience over Moprh in aviation, and he would kick my bellybutton flying the pitts...I hear he's quit good....(AKA im sticking up for you morph please tell Mars to bring me in the pitts again) haha...
Morphs the man...
Cav
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Originally posted by cav58d
I bet you own a military flight jacket with a custom name tag =)
On a side not, what in the hell does living within two miles of an airport have to do with anything....
Cav
And just what's wrong with that? It goes with my flight suit :p
Actually...I own both. The jacket a gift and the flight suit on ebay for halloween! I never wear the jacket though...
Anybody want a CWU45P jacket?
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Mechanic...Show up to your PPL checkride in your olive drape flight suit...DE's love that
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Originally posted by cav58d
i'll have you know matey, i got almost 10 hours towards my ppl, have flown and landed gliders, done training with RAF cadets and I live not more than 2 miles from the 3rd busiest airport in the UK. -Mechanic
HAHAHAHAHA....10 hours ...Your an expert huh? Good for you, its great your working on your PPL, but before you claim to be anything in aviation....Pass a checkride...Better yet, solo....I bet you own a military flight jacket with a custom name tag =)
On a side not, what in the hell does living within two miles of an airport have to do with anything....
BTW I have years of experience over Moprh in aviation, and he would kick my bellybutton flying the pitts...I hear he's quit good....(AKA im sticking up for you morph please tell Mars to bring me in the pitts again) haha...
Morphs the man...
Cav
lol, what a true dick. why not just marry morph if you love him so much?
this game is getting so weak, geeze, even morpheus has stopped playing it.
and yes 10 hours flying makes me an expert! wanna fight about it?
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'On a side not, what in the hell does living within two miles of an airport have to do with anything....' - cav
when the 3rd busiest airport in the UK is a small aerodrome single tarmac strip that flies gliders, light a/c, choppers. we get RAF traffic from Strike command 3 miles the other way and occasionally the odd vintage war plane flying around my house like the battle of britain spitfire and hurricanes if they stop in at Booker aerodrome, who boast the 3rd highest rate of take offs and landings in the uk.
if you we're not playing silly games i would explain the relevance of what i posted in detail, but you are infact, playing a silly game, hence my previous and less cordial relpy above.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I do predict the new Spit16's will end up perked not because of flight perfomance,But due to overusage.
You may be right, that is the only reason they perked the C Hog. It isn't that good, but people liked to fly it.
In todays' arena, a C Hog is just another target. A perked target, but a target none the less.
It would be unfortunate to see the Spit16 perked, but there are other rides.
Such as the much under utilized LA7 :p
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
You may be right, that is the only reason they perked the C Hog. It isn't that good, but people liked to fly it.
In todays' arena, a C Hog is just another target. A perked target, but a target none the less.
IIRC, it was perked before it was nerfed.
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
You may be right, that is the only reason they perked the C Hog. It isn't that good, but people liked to fly it.
In todays' arena, a C Hog is just another target. A perked target, but a target none the less.
It would be unfortunate to see the Spit16 perked, but there are other rides.
Such as the much under utilized LA7 :p
The VIII would be next on the perk whine list, once people realise -
1) Same motor as the XVI
2) Slightly faster
3) Turns better
4) Once equal fuel, climbs slightly better than XVI
I believe the C-Hog also had a good K/D ratio, something the XVI doesn't.
Then what?
Back to a 1942 spit IX.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Because its a rocket ship with photon torpedoes
I don't know what is funnier, that comment or you thinking it's true.
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