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Title: Turn off HO
Post by: doobs on November 20, 2005, 12:07:34 AM
please turn them off, would change the whole game. for the better.

In AW ya couldn't HO. and it worked great IMHO

Stop it here, its ruining the game.

I never ***** about this game because I luv it, but HO's are beyond belief.
I used to be able to avoid ho's but since one plane after another does it ya can't evade them all.

9 out of 10 deaths are from HO's.

I respect the furballers alot more than the HO'ers at least they kill with skill.
Don't mind the uppin IL2 at a porked base doin it cause its expected.
or any other plane upin from a damaged base.

But everywher ya fly now it's friggin demolition derby, get killed by HO or rammed by them.

Thank G-D for FSO

AH2 Demolition derby
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Karnak on November 20, 2005, 01:27:16 AM
You sound like one of the whiners who thinks any vaguely frontal shot is an HO.

Even accounting for that your exagerate monstrously.

And after all that you suggest that something completely gamey be put in that distorts air combat.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Krusty on November 20, 2005, 01:31:06 AM
Agree with Karnak. I go for the HO a lot when I'm in a plane with heavy frontal firepower and can't manuver too well (190 with 4 20mms, f4ui1, 110C/G, sometimes 109 with 30mm) and it's not so easy to land a HO. Hell I never hit a HO under 400d. If it's a off-angle frontal shot, I can hit at farther ranges but it's still odd to do it consistently **when the other pilot evades*. Even simple evasion makes HO impossible and makes frontal shots hard/suspect at best.

If you're dying 9 out of 10 times in a HO, STOP TAKING THE HO!!

EDIT: Today in MA I got HOed by 4 consecutive planes in a row. They had a line going and all of 'em tried to get me. I wasn't even evading and they didn't hit squat.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: tikky on November 20, 2005, 01:45:02 AM
**** this ****

another leet player trying to enforce another hindering and gheymey feature...

and how are we gonna kill bombers head-on now lol.  head on shootings on bombers happened in WWII and lots of elite german reich defenders scored kills on b17s and 24s
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: SuperDud on November 20, 2005, 08:57:12 AM
I have mixed feelings about this. In 1 aspect, in real life you can hit an aircraft from any angle and would definatley suck fighting bombers. On the other hand I feel it's brought the "dogfight" to an almost nonexistant state. 95% of the MA HO...then are clueless as to what to do next. It's really brought the fighting skill in the game down. And my personnal pet peeve, fighting a 4vs1 and they HO every pass:lol Just kinda sad and you can't always dodge them all.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Knegel on November 20, 2005, 09:26:35 AM
Hi,

is it possible that here the typical B&Z, which often lead to somewhat a HO, if the lower plane follow the high one up,  get criticized???

A normal HO easy can get avoided, but i often got blamed when i made a HO after a stallturn while B&Z, when the enemy was hanging on its prop, not able to bring the guns to my direction.

Thats not one of the 'stupid' a HO´s!!! Cause in this moment i know that the enmy cant move anymore.

Who get shot down by a HO simply made a mistake!

Btw, if i remember right Mr.Bong made 50% of his kills while HO´s!


Greetings,
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: toadkill on November 20, 2005, 09:54:46 AM
i TOTALLY agree with doobs. Many things have gotten out of control in this game. It seems like all this game is about anymore is getting kills and **** perkies. There is almost no courtesy anymore. RARELY will you get a fair fight.

Trying to avoid the HO is very hindering. Taking in to consideration that most of the HO player on here are flying the LGAY-7, and those LGAYs can turn fast enough so that when you break off the HO there went your tail, or guese what now thier on your 6. And its an LGAY so you know he can turn with your spit at this high of speed.

This ho fest is beginning to do more than just annoy me. i dont want to fly for more than 5 minutes over to a base, and then find myself staring down a LGAY, we all know hes gonna HO (most of them do) so i have 2 choices. I can recieve an go with it, and in which case i would die, or loose my engine/oil. I could break off the ho, in which case i would (since this is a low speed ho) either loose some parts of my plane, or i would now have a LGAY on my 6.

and BTW karnak, get to know the guy, b4 you call him an unejucated bastage. he knows of what he speaks. this also isnt a flight sim, its a ****ing game. in which stuff is blow out of proportion.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: straffo on November 20, 2005, 10:07:18 AM
Air Warrior is dead get over it.

Since the Air warriorite invasion this game is going downhill fast.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: SMIDSY on November 20, 2005, 02:54:14 PM
for an avid bomber buster i must say that the HO is nessasary. it is one of the most effective ways to gut a buff.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Slash27 on November 20, 2005, 03:56:15 PM
How the hell would you turn off head on shots?:huh
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Karnak on November 20, 2005, 04:45:30 PM
ToadKill,

He made bald faced, false statements in order to advocate a faulty position.  I will call it like it is and that is that.

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Originally posted by Slash27
How the hell would you turn off head on shots?:huh

You add "Star Trek" shields to the frontal aspect of aircraft like they had in AirWarrior.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Simaril on November 20, 2005, 04:46:38 PM
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Originally posted by toadkill
isnip...

Trying to avoid the HO is very hindering. Taking in to consideration that most of the HO player on here are flying the LGAY-7, and those LGAYs can turn fast enough so that when you break off the HO there went your tail, or guese what now thier on your 6. And its an LGAY so you know he can turn with your spit at this high of speed.

...snip



Its pretty easy to avoid the HO 99% of the time. Just do a barrell roll as he prepares to fire, then extend as he passes. Or, if you feel aggressive, do a roll a shade earlier, so he tracks all over trying to hit you -- and as you reach the level again (ideally about 0.5 sec before you pass him), pull up to loop over the top. He'll ahve blown alll his E trying for the shot and you'll be able to drop on his 6 without much trouble.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Slash27 on November 20, 2005, 05:31:55 PM
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Originally posted by Karnak

 
You add "Star Trek" shields to the frontal aspect of aircraft like they had in AirWarrior.



Was AW played on a Playstation?
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: hubsonfire on November 20, 2005, 06:00:56 PM
I'll take any shot I think I can make. It's just that simple. In some situations, typically many vs few, or if it's an MG-armed plane, I'll try for a frontal shot if I think I'll survive. If it looks like my opponent is setting up for one, I will not hesitate to go nose-on and fire. I get a brand new plane if I lose, and a kill if I win. Pretty good deal, if you ask me.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: doobs on November 20, 2005, 06:17:02 PM
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Originally posted by Karnak
He made bald faced, false statements in order to advocate a faulty position.  I will call it like it is and that is that.
.



You are correct, and I was way off my intended thought,
HO's I can live and deal with its the intentional ramming thats got my goat.

I know this sounds like backpedaling
But I was stuck on stoopid at the time and didn't clearly think out what I wanted to say.

my last line on org post in AH demolition derby, which I hope gives some
indication of what I was  trying to say, even though I wasn't anywhere near my mark.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Mr No Name on November 20, 2005, 06:19:41 PM
All shots are fair... Some planes it is THE best tactic when up against a superior plane.  Besides HO was the preferred tactic for killing bombers IRL.. with the easy mode buff guns its the best tactic to use if you want to survive now
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Karnak on November 20, 2005, 06:38:18 PM
doobs,

Ramming is nigh impossibel to do intentionally as it only counts if it is on your FE.  In a head to head approach with both aircraft going 350mph, a 700mph closing rate, and a total connection time of 333 milliseconds between your FE and his FE there will be a 770ft diffference between what you see on your FE and what he sees on his FE.  What this means is that if he collides with you on his FE it very well may look to you like he missed by 200 yards and consequently you take no damage whereas he is destroyed.  The opposite is also true where it can look to him like he pulled up 300 yards in front of you, climbing well above you, and on your FE it looks like he pulled up right into you in a deliberate ramming attack.  We can never know exactly where we are in relation to other people on other FEs in any online game.

Due to this all pervasive lag that is just part of the internet as dictated by the limits of electronics and the speed of light each of us flies in our own unique reality that bears only limited similarity to anybody else's reality.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: ygsmilo on November 20, 2005, 11:14:38 PM
One mans Ho is another mans 135 degree deflection shot.............
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: TequilaChaser on November 21, 2005, 12:20:00 AM
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Originally posted by ygsmilo
One mans Ho is another mans 135 degree deflection shot.............


or could that read 45 degree deflection shot or 225 degree deflection shot?  :D   is fitting either way
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Krusty on November 21, 2005, 12:53:58 AM
Quote
Originally posted by straffo
Air Warrior is dead get over it.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Tilt on November 21, 2005, 08:57:49 AM
There is still much AH could learn from AW and even more AW should have learnt from the likes of AH.

AW's frontal cone was actually an arena setting that reduced the lethality of stuff striking an AC from within the proscribed forward cone. Basically if you fired "12 to 12" then lethality was reduced to about 10%.

Coupled with no collision it generated a particular form of combat that rewarded only those who had secured a good rear deflection angle or a secure "saddle".

Dog fights became "dances".

Upon reflection (whilst entertaining) it was very unrealistic.............
how much more unrealistic than the HO's we get here I am not sure but at least in AH the model is one of realism even if the combat often is not.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: mussie on November 21, 2005, 10:19:50 AM
I accept that HO's are part of AH,  

BUT surely you all agree that the HO/Collision rate has inceased

I got HO/Ram twice by the same guy, in the same fight tonight.

YES I understand how the Collision / FE bit works

Yes I know that it is not happening on both FE's

BUT Like I said they have increased recently I do not think that can be denied.....

Then again maybe Its just that I am flying sober....



ALSO PPL
Dont forget that there are concessions made Like:
- auto retracting flaps
- unlimited WEP
- auto take off
- the removal of the sheep so the BK's can get some kills instead of augering :p
and so on and so forth


I can live with the HO's but the Raming is getting on my tits...
But I guess I will just have to learn to live with it also
(the ramming not the tits)...

All
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Wilbus on November 21, 2005, 12:08:57 PM
What a horrible idea.

It was a bad idea the first time I heard it and it just keeps getting worse every time I hear it.

Get over it, learn how to avoid, learn ACM then kill the bastages instead.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: T0J0 on November 21, 2005, 03:48:24 PM
Everytime the HO issue is brought up the same people jump up and Yell "whiner" and spout the same negative attack on the poster.
Every encounter now is either a "HO" a "Collision" or a Spitfire using a combination of the previous two..  Gameplay over the last year which everyone on both sides of the coin agree on thier own personal agenda terms is negative.. The "HO" and "Collision" functionality in this last version{S} make me want to cancel my account and you can make negative attacks all you want I really dont care any longer about it I don't have 12 hours a night to practice "HO" survival skills I have about 5 hours a week which is basically friday nights 3 times a month.  So maybe the AH experience isn't for me any longer no biggie, us weekend warriors just didn't make it in the new AH2 scheme of things, life will go on.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: AutoPilot on November 21, 2005, 04:08:59 PM
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I don't have 12 hours a night to practice "


This is where the HO shooting comes from,they dont wanna learn they wanna kill kill kill and get thier name up in lights.

I love when people go for the HO against me,it lets me know they have no idea what ACM is and makes it very easy too get them.

I am beyond landing kills in an arena,i like shaking people off my 6,dragging them too thier doom,and overall out flying them period.

The HO is a Valid tactic as was widely used by just about all fighter pilots in WW2,doesn't mean that it's gonna work everytime.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: toadkill on November 21, 2005, 06:59:34 PM
sincerley,
THE ANTI-BASTAGE
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: sgtdeaux on November 21, 2005, 07:17:21 PM
The HO in my mind it not as large an issue as the collision modeling.. if two planes collide at 300 mph both should be reduced to scrap.
Dont believe this physics? Let me illustrate my point.

7 years ago I worked on an emergency response team as a EMT that was called in response to an airplane collision.
two cessnas collided.. one on landing.. one on take off.
the landing airplane managed to belly land with its dead pilot in pieces spread neatly over about 400 yards.  The taking off airplane transported its pilot another 300 feet wingless before smashing him into pieces on a tree.

the estimated impact speed was around 90mph for each plane.

This is only slightly faster there some interstate vehicle collisions.
Head on collisions of two airplanes with the same approximate mass results in both planes being reduces to scrap.

At the minimum the heavier plane will be heavily damaged and almost unflyable.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Shane on November 21, 2005, 07:26:37 PM
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Originally posted by sgtdeaux
The HO in my mind it not as large an issue as the collision modeling.. if two planes collide at 300 mph both should be reduced to scrap.
Dont believe this physics? Let me illustrate my point.


sigh....   tell me, does real life have net lag?
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: hubsonfire on November 21, 2005, 07:32:34 PM
This from the same guy who's complaining that people get to take off again when they get shot down...
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: sgtdeaux on November 21, 2005, 07:36:02 PM
Not what I said at all hudson.
What I said was the ability to re-up instantinously is a bit far fetched.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: SuperDud on November 21, 2005, 08:17:29 PM
So is 1 guy flying 3 bombers:cool:
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: sgtdeaux on November 21, 2005, 08:19:46 PM
Ill give you that.
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Simaril on November 23, 2005, 03:25:01 PM
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Originally posted by sgtdeaux
The HO in my mind it not as large an issue as the collision modeling...

snip


PLEASE do a search on this topic. You'll find (endlessly repeating??) threads that will hopefully make the collision issue clear ot you.
Title: Re: Turn off HO
Post by: viper215 on November 23, 2005, 04:45:00 PM
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Originally posted by doobs
please turn them off, would change the whole game. for the better.

In AW ya couldn't HO. and it worked great IMHO

Stop it here, its ruining the game.

I never ***** about this game because I luv it, but HO's are beyond belief.
I used to be able to avoid ho's but since one plane after another does it ya can't evade them all.

9 out of 10 deaths are from HO's.

I respect the furballers alot more than the HO'ers at least they kill with skill.
Don't mind the uppin IL2 at a porked base doin it cause its expected.
or any other plane upin from a damaged base.

But everywher ya fly now it's friggin demolition derby, get killed by HO or rammed by them.

Thank G-D for FSO

AH2 Demolition derby


:cry   :cry  :cry  :cry  :cry  :cry  :cry  :cry  :cry  :cry
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Rino on November 24, 2005, 09:39:05 AM
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Originally posted by sgtdeaux
Not what I said at all hudson.
What I said was the ability to re-up instantinously is a bit far fetched.


     Yeah it took Jesus three days! :rolleyes:
Title: Turn off HO
Post by: Larry on November 24, 2005, 09:57:49 AM
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Originally posted by Shane
sigh....   tell me, does real life have net lag?


I guess IL2 dosent have net lag eh? When you ram in there both planes die. But some smartass will say Il doesnt have hundreds of people playing on the same sever. Well then why dont both planes die in the CT thats a different server then the MA and on a regular day theres 30 people tops on the sever.