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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on November 21, 2005, 03:21:42 PM
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http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103629
What say about this design, eh?
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Not so bad. Its better than their pathetic attempt at the Charger.
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Originally posted by United
Not so bad. Its better than their pathetic attempt at the Charger.
The charger is utter crap for design. The same ugly people that buy those box-type Japanese cars will buy the ugly charger.
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Now that I look at it more and actually read the article, it is very appealing. I'm definately a fan of the 6 speed. IMO, the only thing that could hurt it is price. They may or may not screw that up. I'd probably buy one if it was set right.
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another retro vehilce, how creative
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Hmmmm I need a moment alone........
Thats hella bad ass....
If they make it, it will sell.
I like that way better then the mustang.
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Originally posted by Debonair
another retro vehilce, how creative
Better than the "Everything looks like a bar of Dove soap" design age, no?
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Wind tunnels pretty much destroyed automotive design.
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Holy crap....they got it right.
And that's a concept car....and concepts ususally look worse than the production models derived from them.
The mirrors are right
The headlights are right
The "girly" waist is right
The low roofline is right
The hood is right
The engine is soooo right
Heck...even those skinny tires which I normally hate look somehow right on that car.
Hopefully they build it.
It isn't retro in my mind....it's what a sports car is supposed to look like. Retro is only retro if it's recreating something that's otherwise "abnormal" (say, a new car with 50's -style tailfins).
Thanks for the link Rip.
J_A_B
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Mullet growers rejoice!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Better than the "Everything looks like a bar of Dove soap" design age, no?
wait 15 years & "classic taurus" will be all over the place, although personally i prefer slightly earlier "square on top of a rectangle" era
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The taurus will never be a classic.
Not even the SHO.
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Detroit crapped out a lot of garbage in the 60's and 70's, and plenty of that is considered classic, so I don't see why Taurus et al would be exempt.
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Name some 60 and 70s cars that are crap that are considered classics?
Don't be a Americar hater Funky, Detroit put out some very nice cars in the 60s and 70s.
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http://vintagecars.about.com/od/startercars/a/merccomet70.htm
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Well ****....
Stupid collectors.
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Exactly.
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Finally, something that looks badass.
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Hell... some people use the word "classic" when describing the 1978 AMC Pacer. ;)
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Classic muscle cars we're speaking here boys. Nothing more, nothing rice.
(http://www.carsfromyesterday.com/images/60s_cars/60tbird.jpg)
(http://www.carsfromyesterday.com/images/60s_cars/67corvette_conv.jpg)
(http://www.carsfromyesterday.com/images/60s_cars/68hemi_roadrunner.jpg)
(http://www.carsfromyesterday.com/images/60s_cars/67camaro_conv.jpg)
(http://www.musclecars-and-classics.com/images/70_Chevelle_64.jpg)
(http://www.musclecars-and-classics.com/images/66_Chevelle_45.jpg)
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OMG there r so many cars that need to come back! top of the list: Camero, and Trans Am! Then Chevelle (haha, could u imagine a chevelle with a LS7?! OMG 505 hp). And for the love of god, a mustang mach1 done right. the challenger would be cool to.:aok
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Couple more pics....
Then...
(http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/dodge-challenger/images/dodge-challenger-1970a.jpg)
Now...(possibly..)
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/2726312/8668097/119673050.jpg)
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cool looking car, but to me it looks more like a 68/69 camaro than any charger that ever existed.
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Originally posted by NUKE
cool looking car, but to me it looks more like a 68/69 camaro than any charger that ever existed.
Its a Challenger, not a Charger. And if memory serves me right, I think the Challenger was the answer to the Camaro, thus the simularity...
Edit:
Found this:
HISTORY
To compete in the Ponycar and muscle car market, Chrysler designed the Dodge Challenger. It was designed to compete against the Mustangs, GTOs and the Camaros but other manufacturers had a three-year head start. To make things worse, by the time the Dodge Challenger program was approved, the Ponycar was into it’s second generation.
The Dodge Challenger was not an original design from scratch, Chrysler management would not allow the new development costs. The first step for PERFORMANCE reasons was to allow all of the Chrysler engines to be put in the Challenger. In order to accomplish this, Chrysler borrowed the K member support from the “B” body Charger and put it in the Challenger. With this support, they could now put the big block 440 and the 426 HEMI in the Challenger. The intent was to use the “A” body Barracuda frame but it wouldn’t allow the K member to fit, so some redesigning was done that widened the frame. Along with this came the idea to redesign the outer body for a sleek long look to complement the widened stance. Its stance was 5 inches wider than the Ford Mustang. The final wheelbase was 110” on the Challenger, and 191 inches in length, 2 inches longer than any other Ponycar. It was in production for only 4 years, 1970 – 1974.
So in a way, 'Charger' was kinda correct! ;)
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I was refering to the Charger pic.
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Originally posted by United
Not so bad. Its better than their pathetic attempt at the Charger.
Not quite....The original Concept Charger was awesome. Somewhere in production they made the critical error of creating an ugly car...Here is the original Charger concept.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/kevykev/genlee2000.jpg)
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Originally posted by Sandman
Hell... some people use the word "classic" when describing the 1978 AMC Pacer. ;)
As in classic POS.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Couple more pics....
Then...
(http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/dodge-challenger/images/dodge-challenger-1970a.jpg)
Now...(possibly..)
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/2726312/8668097/119673050.jpg)
That second pic looks more like a cuda then a challenger.
If they do this close (very close) to the concept it will sell like hotcakes. That is one badass looking car.
The charger concept was fuglier then the production car. Charger and 4 doors should not go together.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
That second pic looks more like a cuda then a challenger.
Agreed.
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/2726312/8668097/119680285.jpg)
Originally posted by GtoRA2
The charger concept was fuglier then the production car. Charger and 4 doors should not go together.
Any sports car and 4 doors do not go together, IMO. Buying a 4 door sports car means your wife helped you pick it out.
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Originally posted by kevykev56
Not quite....The original Concept Charger was awesome. Somewhere in production they made the critical error of creating an ugly car...Here is the original Charger concept.
Bean counters made the final call by using the Chrysler 300 tooling...Corporate buffoons get hard ons over cost savings when you don't have to re-tool.
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THE Boss
(http://www.amclassics.com/images/KK%201806/KK1806%20Boss%20429%20004.jpg)
The best car to ever come out of "Detroit"
(http://www.amclassics.com/images/mastersource/archivesource/Sold/redgt500/GT500KR-ls.jpg)
Karaya
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Originally posted by kevykev56
Not quite....The original Concept Charger was awesome. Somewhere in production they made the critical error of creating an ugly car...Here is the original Charger concept.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/kevykev/genlee2000.jpg)
That is one of the ugliest cars I have ever seen (not a troll). Not to mention the BLATANT rip off of the Vette's lines (forward of the Windshield and rear quarters).
Karaya
PS - Until Dodge actually comes up with a 1/2 way decent tranny, they'll be 3rd best in "Detroit".
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Originally posted by kevykev56
Not quite....The original Concept Charger was awesome. Somewhere in production they made the critical error of creating an ugly car...Here is the original Charger concept.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/kevykev/genlee2000.jpg)
Looks like an exaggerated 98 Avenger, IMHO.
(http://www.theautochannel.com/media/photos/dodge/1998/98_dodge_avenger_es.jpg)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Classic muscle cars we're speaking here boys. Nothing more, nothing rice.
(http://www.carsfromyesterday.com/images/60s_cars/60tbird.jpg)
Was a Thunderbird ever a muscle car? I never thought so.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103629
What say about this design, eh?
It's gonna be the same as "New Ford Mustang",looks great.....and thats about it.
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Originally posted by ATA
It's gonna be the same as "New Ford Mustang",looks great.....and thats about it.
If you want performance and you don't want to spend an arm and a leg, you have to go with the rice.
(http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/subaru-impreza-wrx-sti-101.jpg)
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It looks great and it certainly makes sense for them to make a coupe with the new hemi and the market sucess of the 300.
But a 116 inch wheelbase is huge, the car will be heavy and unweildy.
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"But a 116 inch wheelbase is huge, the car will be heavy and unweildy."
In other words it's actually a man's car and not a go-kart. Women, girly men, and city slickers need not apply.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by Sandman
Was a Thunderbird ever a muscle car? I never thought so.
T-Birds sucked.
GTO's and Chargers looked like crap. I never understood why anyone could think they were cool in any way.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Was a Thunderbird ever a muscle car? I never thought so.
Well when it was introduced in 1955 it was intended to compete with the Chevrolet Corvette. In 1955, the Thunderbird was available with a 193-212 horsepower 292 cubic-inch V8. In 1956 and 1957 the Thunderbird was available with a 215-340 horsepower 312 cubic-inch V8 or the original 292 cubic-inch engine.
Not exactly muscle, but it was on an even playing field with Corvette, so in that case, the Corvette was not a muscle car THEN either...
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skimmed the whole thread and didnt see the BIGGEST question mentioned.....
will this be another LAME assed FRONT wheel drive POS like they did to the monte carlo, charger, and God knows what other monstrocity?
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Originally posted by Mustaine
skimmed the whole thread and didnt see the BIGGEST question mentioned.....
will this be another LAME assed FRONT wheel drive POS like they did to the monte carlo, charger, and God knows what other monstrocity?
That would kill this car if it has FWD. Does the charger have fwd? I know that the ST-8 (425 hp version) only comes in an automatic, which sucks...)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
http://vintagecars.about.com/od/startercars/a/merccomet70.htm
Whats wrong with that? I guess you never drove a Cyclone? Had a friend with a yard full of 65 Comets, one of which was a Cyclone. Since it was in a constant state of restoration, he bought a 70's Cyclone to drive. I had a Grabber (Maverick version). Not exactly pretty cars, but they get your attention when you punch the throttle. If it only would have had something else besides that POS 302 ...........
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Whats wrong with that? I guess you never drove a Cyclone? Had a friend with a yard full of 65 Comets, one of which was a Cyclone. Since it was in a constant state of restoration, he bought a 70's Cyclone to drive. I had a Grabber (Maverick version). Not exactly pretty cars, but they get your attention when you punch the throttle. If it only would have had something else besides that POS 302 ...........
I had a 1964 Falcon Convertible that had a 302 Boss dropped in it, with a Hurst Inline shifter, man that car was fun! Wheel-hopped something bad though due to springs...
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Originally posted by Mustaine
skimmed the whole thread and didnt see the BIGGEST question mentioned.....
will this be another LAME assed FRONT wheel drive POS like they did to the monte carlo, charger, and God knows what other monstrocity?
The new Charger is RWD. AWD isn't even an option like on the 300C's and Magnums (same platform).
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I hate the current chrysler hemi. Even with 4 cyl disabled in cruise, it's less efficient than the GM LS series aluminum V8s. Sure it's got power, but nowadays that's not enuf. The new vette gets 100 hp more than the previous generation and still gets about the same mileage. My firebird isn't all that more aerodynamic than the new dodge hemi powered cars but I get 5-10 more mpg out of my LS1 engine without resorting to shutting off half the cylinders.
Heck, I drove a rental Chevy "classic" and it had a hell of a lot more power than most econoboxes, and the 3 tanks of gas I put through it in 10 days got 26, 32, and 28 mpg in mixed city/highway driving. After the abomination GM was using with their 4 and 6 cyl engines in the last 10-15 years, I think they're actually using some decent powerplants right now.
Hemi... Sounds cool and generates a lot of power but the fuel efficiency appears to be absolutely horrible. Drop an LS derivative in there or even the bulky ford modular engine in there, and it would be a lot more attractive in actual use IMHO.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I had a 1964 Falcon Convertible that had a 302 Boss dropped in it, with a Hurst Inline shifter, man that car was fun! Wheel-hopped something bad though due to springs...
Yeah, the Grabber was like that too, although alot heavier than a Falcon. Slapper bars helped, but there's just so much you can do.
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Originally posted by Sandman
If you want performance and you don't want to spend an arm and a leg, you have to go with the rice.
(http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/subaru-impreza-wrx-sti-101.jpg)
I took a road trip last weekend (700 miles or so) in my new wheels, and had one of these come up beside me, on the freeway, doing his best vroom-vroom.
I had no interest and he just floored it and pulled away over the next hill. I come up over that hill and there was a state trooper giving a proper greeting to the little ricer.
A few miles down the road, here he comes again. This time he looks a bit agitated. And again tries to goad me into a race. No chance. He then pulls in front of me and slams on the brakes. I swerve and keep going. Here he comes again, looking even more agitated.
This time he gets on my bumper guns it up so as to look like he is going to ram me. What he didn't know, as he was too busy trying to make a fool of himself, was that very same state trooper had been creeping up from behind.
On come the lights and siren. I pull over as well as I was not sure if the trooper wanted me to stop or not and he did not flag me on. So I sit there and the trooper comes to my car and says, "You dunt have to worry about that boy. A wrecker is on the way. Be safe," I thanked the officer and rolled on down the highway.
never did see that Subaru again. hehe.
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Funny story skuzzy. I like happy endings like that :)
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That's pretty funny Skuzzy. Well, what happened to the guy at least, he deserved getting towed. Last week I managed to get pulled over driving my roommate's STi... but I was doing the speed limit, and cars were flying past us. They're cop magnets no matter when, where, or how you drive them.
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Some new pics of the Challenger:
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/2726312/8668097/124650147.jpg)
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/2726312/8668097/124650148.jpg)
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I think it looks pretty good... the orange one anyway.
For the most part, the rice guys seem to try to ignore my big block elky. Some will smile and thumbs up tho... and some... will do like they did to skuzzy. I generaly drop down 2 gears and nail it. the rear tires chirp and it gets real angry sounding and walks away from em... once I show em that I can pull away easily at 70 to 100 or so they pretty much give it up... If not.. I ignore them. Unless I am in "one of those moods".
lazs
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I got a two ton hemi Ram, and have already painted a WRX kill on my fender. Ricers amuse me.