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Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Makarov9 on November 21, 2005, 05:34:10 PM
http://www.redorchestragame.com/ (http://www.redorchestragame.com/)

I know a couple of you gents have/had played RO. They just announced the stand-alone version will be released through Steam. I find it interesting that Valve is allowing an Unreal 2.5 engined game to be released on their service. Guess they are trying to expand Steam.

Anyway, I always enjoyed RO and am looking forward to the new version. Here are some screenshots with more on the website:

(http://www.redorchestragame.com/images/full/playershoot4.jpg)

(http://www.redorchestragame.com/images/full/playershoot3.jpg)

(http://www.redorchestragame.com/images/full/mapshoot2.jpg)

(http://www.redorchestragame.com/images/full/mapshoot3.jpg)

(http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/ve3d/image/article/668/668395/red-orchestra-ostfront-41-45-announced-20051121013928375.jpg)
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: lasersailor184 on November 21, 2005, 06:58:31 PM
Standalone, eh?  How big is it, and is it available any other way?
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Octavius on November 21, 2005, 07:01:47 PM
Good for them I say.  They sure put forth a ton of effort, time for some mass exposure.

...

is valve going to charge for distribution?

doh, read the article, I guess so.  I didnt know they won that $1mil unreal contest.  wow!
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Nefarious on November 21, 2005, 07:28:52 PM
Dont really enjoy FPS games, but I will buy this one.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Ripsnort on November 21, 2005, 07:35:41 PM
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Originally posted by Nefarious
Dont really enjoy FPS games, but I will buy this one.

(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/whacky10.gif)
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Russian on November 21, 2005, 09:23:06 PM
The question is when.....?
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: SunKing on November 21, 2005, 09:32:13 PM
Awesome news. Finally more players and more than one server popluated.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: SunKing on November 21, 2005, 09:35:53 PM
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Originally posted by Russian
The question is when.....?


 "Further details will be made available on http://www.redorchestragame.com and http://www.steampowered.com over the coming weeks and ""MONTHS""."

ouch.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Heretik on November 21, 2005, 09:46:52 PM
yuck. steam. have to pass on this one.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Makarov9 on November 21, 2005, 09:54:44 PM
PC GAMER UK said it would be out in Jan. Hope so!
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Dowding on November 22, 2005, 01:50:48 AM
No wonder the dev team were so quiet on their forums in the last few months.

Those look like new maps too!

Easily the best FPS available today - it just had too few players before.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: lasersailor184 on November 22, 2005, 08:43:03 AM
Easily it's still the third best FPS out there.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: SunKing on November 23, 2005, 01:22:15 PM
A good interview  (http://www.gamecloud.com/article.php?article_id=2410) with the RO devs. I'm really looking forward to this release.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Dowding on November 23, 2005, 04:26:42 PM
It looks like they've made all sorts of gameplay and visual improvements. Particularly like the diving through windows part.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Chaos68 on November 24, 2005, 09:46:39 AM
I cant wait for this release!!!
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: -aper- on November 24, 2005, 06:48:52 PM
Is it better than Call of Duty 2 ?
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Octavius on November 24, 2005, 06:58:45 PM
Dont think the two can be compared side by side.  It isn't like CoD in that it has a theatrical feel to it.  It has a different kind of experience, fairly gloomy.  realistic.  The end of the interview SunKing linked said it best:  

"We hope that gamers don’t look at this as “just another WWII game” but get in and see what tens of thousands of fans have been addicted to for the past two years. Red Orchestra has been created from the ground up with a different gameplay philosophy than any WWII game every made. Other games try and make you feel like you’re in a war movie, Red Orchestra will make you feel like you’re in a war."
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Makarov9 on November 24, 2005, 11:14:18 PM
Sunking, thanks for that article link. I'm even more excited for it to come out. The one thing I hope they do is limit the grenades. Right now it can become a grenade-fest in city maps. My favorite thing to do is use the bolt-action rifles for long range shots. Just so satisfying seeing your target fall in the distance...
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Russian on November 25, 2005, 12:11:08 PM
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Originally posted by Makarov9
. Just so satisfying seeing your target fall in the distance...
So you are the long range TKer…. See a shadow – POP then type – sorry. ;-)
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Makarov9 on November 25, 2005, 03:29:39 PM
Nah, the helmets give em away...the Germans have the pointy things with the babies stuck to em.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: SunKing on November 25, 2005, 04:11:56 PM
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Originally posted by Octavius
Dont think the two can be compared side by side.  It isn't like CoD in that it has a theatrical feel to it.  It has a different kind of experience, fairly gloomy.  realistic.  The end of the interview SunKing linked said it best:  

"We hope that gamers don’t look at this as “just another WWII game” but get in and see what tens of thousands of fans have been addicted to for the past two years. Red Orchestra has been created from the ground up with a different gameplay philosophy than any WWII game every made. Other games try and make you feel like you’re in a war movie, Red Orchestra will make you feel like you’re in a war."


COD2 still doesn't have ragdoll right? I hear its just a rehash of the 1st game and multiplayer with bumbmapping thrown in.. One thing is soo hated about the COD games is in multiplayer it feels like you push to one side of the map, turn and push back exactly the sameway you attacked, as if the spawns swapped.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Octavius on November 25, 2005, 04:22:44 PM
I dont think so.  They have death animations and pre-fab grenade blasts.  :(

I had no interest in multiplayer CoD after playing RO.  I dont think single player for #2 it has the awe factor of the first one.  Same effects (except the smoke, which is nice), same annoying high pitch german and russian voice acting, annoying friendly AI, and the ability to kill 500+ germans in one stage.  The North African campaign was fun, I dig the crusader tanks.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: SunKing on December 19, 2005, 01:34:36 PM
They release some new info.

http://www.redorchestragame.com/
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Skuzzy on December 19, 2005, 03:50:58 PM
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Originally posted by Heretik
yuck. steam. have to pass on this one.
Same here.  Dang shame about that.  Would like to try HL2.  Maybe someday Steam will die and they will allow the games to be played/installed without it.  One can only hope.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Reschke on December 19, 2005, 03:58:56 PM
What exactly is Steam? I haven't tried to play any game like that not on a console in a long time.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on December 19, 2005, 04:01:24 PM
It's like Windows Update, except you don't have a choice. It automatically downloads and installs new patches for you games that utilize Steam.

You can also buy HL2 packages (HL2+CS:S+DOD:S) and download the entire game through this method.

It could be a pain in the bellybutton if you turned on your computer and wanted to play a game, then all of a sudden Steam starts downloading and updating another game. You get to sit there and wait until it finishes.
SW
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: SunKing on December 19, 2005, 04:07:36 PM
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
d.

It could be a pain in the bellybutton if you turned on your computer and wanted to play a game, then all of a sudden Steam starts downloading and updating another game. You get to sit there and wait until it finishes.
SW


Simply disable it from autoloading at start....
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: SunKing on March 13, 2006, 06:43:33 PM
Well it comes out this Wednesday. Makarov and I are jazzed.  Finally get to play our favorite WWII  FPS with a full server and pings under 100ms.  

Check out this newest beta video. This is what WW2OL should've been....

Film (http://www.redorchestragame.com/downloads/roost_beta_preview.wmv)
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Pooh21 on March 13, 2006, 06:57:14 PM
got it preloaded on mine
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Bruno on March 13, 2006, 07:52:57 PM
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One thing though browsing the RO: OST official forums you see lots of WWIIOL players /ex-players which is not such a good thing imo.

For $22 USD its well worth it. I have played some of the beta using a friends key. I didn't care for the mod (too few servers, too many sit and camp players). I hate tanks / vehicles as well...

Overall though the potential is there for real fun as long as there's lots of diverse player types. If its the same 12 guys hiding and sniping it is about as much fun as those 'I fly smart players' in the main.

As for folks complaining about Steam I always wondered what their problems are with it? I haven't ever had any problem with Steam and I run all the beta versions. You can set Steam to load on start up or not, you can set each game to update manually  or automatic 'always keep my game updated'. You can back up steam to a disk or individual games. If your cpu crashes all you need is your Steam id and pw to download all the games you purchased. It doesn't take up any resources etc...

Just pure paranoia I suspect...

Anyway 2 o'clock eastern tomorrow RO: OST should be released. Sometime tomorrow evening I should be playing. If any AH'r is going to be playing and want to get together please post here.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Pooh21 on March 13, 2006, 07:59:40 PM
I will be playing after 7pm pacific


the thng I hate most about fps though, is l33t sniper kiddies that think it is cool to whack someone from across a map. from a hidden place. They are worse then pee-51s
Title: Red Orchestra Ostfront:41-45
Post by: Hawklore on March 13, 2006, 08:24:57 PM
Anyone else gonna play tomorrow?

I'll most likely be Hawklore =).
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Meatwad on March 13, 2006, 08:29:54 PM
Hey I am a sniper dweeb :p
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Russian on March 13, 2006, 08:51:50 PM
I got to play RO:OF beta and it is much better than the MOD. It is not for run-n-gun people.....so if someone complains about camping, this game is not for you. Camping = proper defense which is a viable strategy.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Russian on March 13, 2006, 09:08:13 PM
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Originally posted by Pooh21
I will be playing after 7pm pacific


the thng I hate most about fps though, is l33t sniper kiddies that think it is cool to whack someone from across a map. from a hidden place. They are worse then pee-51s
Depending on a map, there can only be one sniper rifle for each team. Some maps don’t have sniper rifle at all. So unless sniper dies and someone else picks up his rifle, you will not have a bunch of snipers around. When I play as a sniper role, I keep particular area covered so my team can safely advance. That is how usually that role is played as.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Russian on March 13, 2006, 09:14:02 PM
SimFreak reporting for duty. :cool:
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: SunKing on March 13, 2006, 09:52:16 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Bruno
It comes out tomorrow, not Wednesday:



One thing though browsing the RO: OST official forums you see lots of WWIIOL players /ex-players which is not such a good thing imo.

For $22 USD its well worth it. I have played some of the beta using a friends key. I didn't care for the mod (too few servers, too many sit and camp players). I hate tanks / vehicles as well...

Overall though the potential is there for real fun as long as there's lots of diverse player types. If its the same 12 guys hiding and sniping it is about as much fun as those 'I fly smart players' in the main.

As for folks complaining about Steam I always wondered what their problems are with it? I haven't ever had any problem with Steam and I run all the beta versions. You can set Steam to load on start up or not, you can set each game to update manually  or automatic 'always keep my game updated'. You can back up steam to a disk or individual games. If your cpu crashes all you need is your Steam id and pw to download all the games you purchased. It doesn't take up any resources etc...

Just pure paranoia I suspect...

Anyway 2 o'clock eastern tomorrow RO: OST should be released. Sometime tomorrow evening I should be playing. If any AH'r is going to be playing and want to get together please post here.




Woot you just made my night... think Im coming down the with sniffles.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: lasersailor184 on March 13, 2006, 09:52:54 PM
Cold day in hell when I voluntarily install steam...
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Bruno on March 13, 2006, 10:24:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pooh21
I will be playing after 7pm pacific


the thng I hate most about fps though, is l33t sniper kiddies that think it is cool to whack someone from across a map. from a hidden place. They are worse then pee-51s


It only bothers me if that's what everyone is doing. Snipers are a limited class (but so are the smgs) and riflemen can be just as boring as any sniper. Folks can play how they want but if that all the game attracts (read wwiiol folk) then it will be pretty boring overall. RO: OST is not as faced paced in terms of spawn and fight as some of the others, certainly not like DoD. The beta is ok, some fun fighting. No more 'tactical hand-held nukes' (grenades) and some other nice fixes / additions.

Should be a fun time...

Have you guys been to the official RO: OST site? You download the manual, keyboard etc...

Red Orchestra Downloads: Manuals (http://www.redorchestragame.com/index.php?categoryid=3&p13_sectionid=5)
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Skuzzy on March 13, 2006, 10:26:08 PM
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Originally posted by Bruno
As for folks complaining about Steam I always wondered what their problems are with it? I haven't ever had any problem with Steam and I run all the beta versions. You can set Steam to load on start up or not, you can set each game to update manually  or automatic 'always keep my game updated'. You can back up steam to a disk or individual games. If your cpu crashes all you need is your Steam id and pw to download all the games you purchased. It doesn't take up any resources etc...

Just pure paranoia I suspect...
I call BS.  It is a resource hog, and if you were part of the betas then you know about the times it wiped out entire hard drives.  Also the little problem with Valve not being able to secure thier own network.  Why would anyone trust them to do any better with this?
Paranoia?  I dunt think so.  I dunt even use a firewall or anti-virus program.  That's how paranoid I am.  I have seen what this sorry piece of software will do to a computer.  No thanks.

Cautious is a better term and more appropriate.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Russian on March 13, 2006, 11:25:27 PM
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I call BS.  It is a resource hog, and if you were part of the betas then you know about the times it wiped out entire hard drives.  Also the little problem with Valve not being able to secure thier own network.  Why would anyone trust them to do any better with this?
Paranoia?  I dunt think so.  I dunt even use a firewall or anti-virus program.  That's how paranoid I am.  I have seen what this sorry piece of software will do to a computer.  No thanks.

Cautious is a better term and more appropriate.


I think you needs a smiliy which you created yourself. :noid
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Bruno on March 13, 2006, 11:42:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
I call BS.  It is a resource hog, and if you were part of the betas then you know about the times it wiped out entire hard drives.  Also the little problem with Valve not being able to secure thier own network.  Why would anyone trust them to do any better with this?
Paranoia?  I dunt think so.  I dunt even use a firewall or anti-virus program.  That's how paranoid I am.  I have seen what this sorry piece of software will do to a computer.  No thanks.

Cautious is a better term and more appropriate.


Steam has being running on my CPU for several hours 0% cpu usage, and 5 mb of memory in use, 8 mb on the expanded view. Wow what a hog...

As for Steam wiping hard drives folks said the same thing about wwiiol and Il2 and other 'games'.  

I had a steam account since Steam came out and never had any issue with 'security' and no one I know who has used or uses Steam has had one. The only time I heard of such things is when folks were duped into giving out there account info. I am as worried about my account info being hacked from HTC, or any of the other game subscriptions I have, as I am from Steam.

When I asked the question about 'what's the problem with Steam' I got the answer I expected. Nothing substantial just the same old 'steam' sucks. I don't want to sound like a Steam fan boi, because I really am not. It works as expected for me and many others. All you here from folks with an issue with Steam is 'it sucks'. I will save 'Cautious' for things like Starforce... :p
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Pooh21 on March 14, 2006, 02:10:24 AM
Is the StuG III drivable?


reading the manual says it is, cool

dang I wish I could call in sick tomarrow. Guess I will go in early as hell, and hope for less then 110 stops.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Skuzzy on March 14, 2006, 07:00:49 AM
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Originally posted by Bruno
Steam has being running on my CPU for several hours 0% cpu usage, and 5 mb of memory in use, 8 mb on the expanded view. Wow what a hog...

As for Steam wiping hard drives folks said the same thing about wwiiol and Il2 and other 'games'.  
If you were part of the beta tests, then you would know about the people who lost entire hard drives due to a bug in the code.  This is a fact and happened to many.

Also note, the task manager does not list DLL's and the amount of RAM they are using.  Resource hogs manifest themselves in many ways and most of them are hidden from the end user.

If you trust a company who cannot secure thier own network to provide a secure application, then that is your choice.  I will not entrust my computer to a company like this.  That is my choice.  However, people should know about a company who cannot provide basic security for thier own network when deciding whether they want to trust a network application from said company.

If you insist on using 'paranoid' then fine.  I would rather be paranoid than ill informed on the history of this product and the company who provides it.

I do not like to participate in discussions like this, but if you insist on painting an uninformed picture, then I will persist.  It is not in the interest of anyone to have truths covered up.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: rabbidrabbit on March 14, 2006, 07:08:41 AM
:noid
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Skuzzy on March 14, 2006, 07:20:24 AM
Fine.  As they say, ignorance is bliss.  So I have been in error trying to warn people about potentially bad sites/links.  Easy for me to stop.  Takes time anyways.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Nilsen on March 14, 2006, 07:34:27 AM
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
potentially bad sites/links.  Easy for me to stop.  Takes time anyways.



please dont stop
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: rabbidrabbit on March 14, 2006, 09:38:12 AM
Skuzzy , you need a hug.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Saintaw on March 14, 2006, 09:46:44 AM
Quote
Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Skuzzy , you need a hug.


(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/19_1142351188_hug.gif)
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Bruno on March 14, 2006, 12:34:30 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
If you were part of the beta tests, then you would know about the people who lost entire hard drives due to a bug in the code.  This is a fact and happened to many.

Also note, the task manager does not list DLL's and the amount of RAM they are using.  Resource hogs manifest themselves in many ways and most of them are hidden from the end user.

If you trust a company who cannot secure thier own network to provide a secure application, then that is your choice.  I will not entrust my computer to a company like this.  That is my choice.  However, people should know about a company who cannot provide basic security for thier own network when deciding whether they want to trust a network application from said company.

If you insist on using 'paranoid' then fine.  I would rather be paranoid than ill informed on the history of this product and the company who provides it.

I do not like to participate in discussions like this, but if you insist on painting an uninformed picture, then I will persist.  It is not in the interest of anyone to have truths covered up.


But your are not informing folks of anything. You say 'Steam is bad', you say that 3, 4, or 5 years ago some one's hard drive was wiped and some code was stolen. I heard about the hard drives being wiped but never happened to me or anyone I know. Same thing happened with WWIIOL. What's that quote by Minus:

Quote
well the crap soft eating the ghost out from my box


I have had a Steam account for many years and I don't know any one who's account information was stolen or hacked from Valve. I have subscriptions to many different games and in doing so I assume some risk, even with HTC.

I can speak from own experience, Steam hasn't caused me any issue at all. If you just trying to inform folks then please provide something a bit more tangible then 'Steam Sucks'.

Quote
It is not in the interest of anyone to have truths covered up.


Hysteria isn't in anyone's interest either...

:D
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: SunKing on March 14, 2006, 12:38:00 PM
CAn we go one thread here without the Skuzzy fanboi buttkissing?
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Engine on March 14, 2006, 12:43:31 PM
I think I may pick up RO, if it's only $22, and available for download off Steam. I used to play it all the time, and even saw a few AH people online. :)
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Bruno on March 14, 2006, 01:14:31 PM
Its out, if the game fails to launch

My Games>Right click RO>Properties>Local Files>Verify integrity....

It will then load the last 20%
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Hawklore on March 14, 2006, 01:20:36 PM
I don't see what every1's problem is about steam..

:confused:
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Hawklore on March 14, 2006, 01:21:43 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Bruno
Its out, if the game fails to launch

My Games>Right click RO>Properties>Local Files>Verify integrity....

It will then load the last 20%


-shoving brother off gaming computer now-

GET OFF GET OFF SON OF A B*T(H!!!

MUWAHAH!!

DIE NAZIS DIE!!!
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Bruno on March 14, 2006, 01:36:38 PM
(http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Sieg%20oder%20Bolchevismus.jpg)
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Engine on March 14, 2006, 02:05:57 PM
Don't start it here, too. :) All's I'm gonna say is that RO is the best WW2 FPS I've ever played, and I'm looking forward to playing it again.

So it's $22, and I don't need any sort of Unreal Engine? I just DL it off Steam and play? And that $22 covers all future updates?

I was outta luck when RO switched to the new Unreal, iirc, and I'd rather not have to worry about that again.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Skuzzy on March 14, 2006, 02:17:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SunKing
CAn we go one thread here without the Skuzzy fanboi buttkissing?
That was completely uncalled for.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Nilsen on March 14, 2006, 02:30:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
That was completely uncalled for.


Yeah im with you a 100% on this one! :)
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Saintaw on March 14, 2006, 04:38:24 PM
^^ butt kisser

*runs like hell* :D
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Dowding on March 14, 2006, 06:07:43 PM
Just been playing it - was a good blast - much better than the mod. The MG is actually quite useful now as it does provide suppression - you screen blurs slightly when a bullet goes near. Tracers also bounce off hard surfaces too.

The Stalingrad airfield map is a work of art. The rag doll death stuff is pretty eerie too.

As for the tanks, they are much improved and long range fire fights are well modelled.

Overall, the immersion factor has been upped considerably.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: schizer on March 14, 2006, 06:56:43 PM
What network security issues does SKuzzy speak of?  You keep repeating yourself but don't give any examples.  The only issue I was aware of was years ago in HL:2 development when someone installed a keylogger and got access to all the HL:2 data.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Bruno on March 14, 2006, 07:06:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Dowding
Just been playing it - was a good blast - much better than the mod. The MG is actually quite useful now as it does provide suppression - you screen blurs slightly when a bullet goes near. Tracers also bounce off hard surfaces too.

The Stalingrad airfield map is a work of art. The rag doll death stuff is pretty eerie too.

As for the tanks, they are much improved and long range fire fights are well modelled.

Overall, the immersion factor has been upped considerably.
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Yup its been a lot of fun so far as long as Steam doesn't start eating the ghost out from my box.. :p
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Chaos68 on March 14, 2006, 07:17:09 PM
Ive already ran into the CS/DoD people, nothing like getting a sweet spot and setting up your MG42 only to get shot point blank in the back by your own team...only to have him say.. Oh well this isnt like DoD. Or see a pile of guns at the spawn because someone is trigger happy.  But other then the morons the game is pretty fun. I was playing RO mod until the release of the new ostfront.

I'm not sure how i feel about the bouncing bullets... seems like alot of bullets bounce in the game?
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Russian on March 15, 2006, 02:41:20 AM
I’m enjoying taking out n00bs…..it is very easy to spot them since they don’t use cover/concealment and just walk around nonchalantly. But they sure do learn quick.. after few 7.62 holes...
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Pooh21 on March 15, 2006, 02:48:47 AM
my first kill was with the soviet anti tank gun, was testing the setting up and the sights, when 20 feet away a german helmet pops up. I wonder how far his helmet would fly in dod like that. Tanks would be more fun if you had someone with the rudimentary knowledge of tank combat driving.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Nilsen on March 15, 2006, 03:12:07 AM
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Originally posted by Saintaw
^^ butt kisser

*runs like hell* :D


If you had seen his butt you would have done so too. *wink*
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Charon on March 15, 2006, 08:58:07 AM
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well the crap soft eating the ghost out from my box


LOL. I miss Minus.


I had to install Steam to play HalfLife 2. Didn't like it but so far the sun still rises. I'm more nervous about that Starforce copy protection. But, I installed it for Silent Hunter 3 without any problems. I guess the big issue is if this is going to be a trend -- where you have 8 "Straforce clones" and 6 "Steams" running on your system at any time making it even harder than it is today in the era of XP to diagnose some problem.

Charon
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Engine on March 15, 2006, 09:38:53 AM
Would someone mind verifying for me that it's a non-recurring $25 for the full RO install, and it doesn't require me to have any version of the Unreal engine? :)
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Sixpence on March 15, 2006, 09:48:51 AM
Is this another one of those games where only 32 people can play and it is over as soon as everyone dies?
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Russian on March 15, 2006, 10:19:33 AM
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Originally posted by Engine
Would someone mind verifying for me that it's a non-recurring $25 for the full RO install, and it doesn't require me to have any version of the Unreal engine? :)


It is standalone game with one time price.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Russian on March 15, 2006, 10:22:25 AM
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Is this another one of those games where only 32 people can play and it is over as soon as everyone dies?


The combat is in waves until reinforcements run out. Once you die, usually you wait for 20-40 seconds or less and then next wave spawns. Once reinforcement runs out, no more spawning.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Makarov9 on March 15, 2006, 10:50:26 AM
Overall I am very pleased with the new additions in RO. I think my favorite parts are the smoother movement, manual bolting and the the way your guy will rise above obsticles when you go to iron sights then duck back down when you're reloading or bolting. Tanks are also a blast.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Engine on March 15, 2006, 11:10:15 AM
Thanks for the response, Russian. I'll buy it tonight, and urge my friends to do the same! :)
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Octavius on March 15, 2006, 11:22:16 AM
So.. like... when are the fighting johnsons going to invade a server?  I'll get on tonight. :cool:
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: mandingo on March 15, 2006, 02:07:00 PM
awesome game, except for the mods who kick you out of the server because you keep killing them or get wise to their camp positions.  Lame!
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Saintaw on March 16, 2006, 01:10:39 AM
Skuzzy was TEH RIGHT!!!

I posted this over there, the only thing I've seen so far from RO is a nice blue screen!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I purchased RO via STEAM yesterday, downloaded it... on launch I got a BSOD. I tried rebuilding the cache, and I got this:

(http://[img]http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/19_1142458924_steam_ro_kaput.png)[/img]

Read this forum (thread posted on the front page of the main site), found out about the file being corrypted by firewall. Deleted local files, Disabled Zonealarm and my AV and downloaded the file again.

I get the same BSOD when launching the game. My system is up to date (see DXdiag attached ) (Rename the .zip in a .txt file).

Please help!
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Pooh21 on March 16, 2006, 01:17:49 AM
disabling ZA doesnt help, for some unholy reason you have to uninstall it completely, RO doesnt like it.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Saintaw on March 16, 2006, 02:32:16 AM
mhhh...reply I got so far:

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you french?


ZIS IS A CONSPIRACY!!!!!
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Bruno on March 16, 2006, 11:37:35 AM
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Skuzzy was TEH RIGHT!!!


Nah, your problem is that crappy ZA, not Steam :p

Even HTC had their own issues with ZA...
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Curval on March 16, 2006, 11:55:42 AM
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Originally posted by Octavius
So.. like... when are the fighting johnsons going to invade a server?  I'll get on tonight. :cool:


lol

Curval_johnson might d/l it.

Anyone else?
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Saintaw on March 16, 2006, 12:06:12 PM
Uninstalled ZA, now I can't see any maps or join a server... this is a joke.
I've been lucky so far with games, looks like my luck stopped here.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Engine on March 16, 2006, 12:31:30 PM
I can't buy it, says the CC billing address I entered doesn't match what the bank has. Which is odd, because I've lived in the same place for 25 years. It seems the stupid address has to match exactly, so I can't abbreviate "Street" or "Apartment".

I'll give it another go tonight. :(
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Saintaw on March 16, 2006, 01:57:13 PM
Maybe they will tell you to move :D
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Skuzzy on March 16, 2006, 02:08:58 PM
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Originally posted by Bruno
Nah, your problem is that crappy ZA, not Steam :p

Even HTC had their own issues with ZA...
ZA has never needed to be removed for Aces High II to work.  I just want that understood.  The only issues we have had with ZA has occurred when we tried to put a friendly pop-up telling people to allow AH through the firewall.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Octavius on March 16, 2006, 02:25:09 PM
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Originally posted by Engine
I can't buy it, says the CC billing address I entered doesn't match what the bank has. Which is odd, because I've lived in the same place for 25 years. It seems the stupid address has to match exactly, so I can't abbreviate "Street" or "Apartment".

I'll give it another go tonight. :(


I can't buy it either, says I'm broke or something... which is odd, cos I am. :D

damn you next paycheck, damn yooouuuu!!
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Bruno on March 16, 2006, 02:40:29 PM
Yeah but one of the attempts at fixing the ZA issue screwed it up for some of us with a router and we couldn't connect for 2 or 3 days until it was fixed. All we could do is remove the router, turning off the routers' firewall did nothing... Once it was fixed for us, ZA was problematic again...

Here's one of those threads:

Cant Connect; Host times out (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116684&highlight=2wire+Home+portal)

fyi, I have read where others have gotten Zone Alarm and RO: OST working together. It's just easier to remove it completely,  just like it was when ZA was a hassle when running AH. :p
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Skuzzy on March 16, 2006, 02:43:13 PM
Sigh, Bruno, that was our fault.  Not ZA's.  We were not trying to fix an issue.  We were making an attempt to make the game a bit more friendly to users who use a firewall.

 And why is it so funny?
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Bruno on March 16, 2006, 03:23:05 PM
Well the problem with ZA and RO: OST is the game developers (to include Quake / UT folks; RO uses the Quake 2.5 engine). Folks with ZA, AOL etc.. are all having issues. Plus there's appears to be plenty of folks in Saw's boat who can't see any maps or servers. But none of this has much to do with Valve or Steam.

Funny? It's all in good fun aint it..?
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Urchin on March 18, 2006, 07:23:56 PM
Anyone know how fast this Steam thing normally downloads stuff to install?

I'm getting a blazing fast 6k/s... I can transmit data faster by reading it and typing it into a file myself.  

I'd love to try this game out, but you just can't buy computer games at any of the video game stores around here anymore... and this download should be finished sometime around the same time I die of old age.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: rabbidrabbit on March 18, 2006, 07:38:35 PM
try bitttorent Urchin?
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Bruno on March 18, 2006, 08:06:36 PM
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Originally posted by Urchin
Anyone know how fast this Steam thing normally downloads stuff to install?

I'm getting a blazing fast 6k/s... I can transmit data faster by reading it and typing it into a file myself.  

I'd love to try this game out, but you just can't buy computer games at any of the video game stores around here anymore... and this download should be finished sometime around the same time I die of old age.


Open steam, click on file, settings, then click on the 'internet' tab and set your connection speed from the drop down menu. However, you wont get 'blazing fast' download speeds.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Seagoon on March 18, 2006, 10:55:43 PM
Been running ZA with AH for the entire time I've been playing it. The update lock-up problem with AH1 stunk, but you could work around it, and I've had no problems at all ZA-wise with AH2.

On the other hand, all of the monstrous problems I had running WW2 FPS's like Americas Army and BF 1942 etc kind of soured me to the entire genre. I've been a one game guy since then. The testimonies I've been reading have tended to only reinforce that decision. I guess I'll just buy an Xbox if I change my mind.

BTW - HT et al, thanks for producing a game that usually runs on my cobbled together PC without problems and for fixing the problems promptly when it doesn't. [Except for the times I've had to upgrade, please stop making me do that, or send money, that would be just as good.]
;)

- SEAGOON
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Pooh21 on March 18, 2006, 11:27:49 PM
one thing about RO I dont like at all is the prediction codes or whatever, you are running in a group with 5 guys, and they are all spinning around as you move. Same with long range bad guys, cant head shoot him as he is spinning in place like a top. Rubber bullets are bad too. some guy ran right at my mg42, from 100 yards. firing short bursts into him til the belt ran out and he was 20 ft in front of me!:furious  he grenaded me.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Seagoon on March 19, 2006, 12:18:05 AM
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Rubber bullets are bad too. some guy ran right at my mg42, from 100 yards. firing short bursts into him til the belt ran out and he was 20 ft in front of me!:furious  he grenaded me.


Nah, its not the bullets, he was obviously a terminator. We use dogs to spot them. Try a phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range next time.

:D

- SEAGOON
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Russian on March 19, 2006, 02:18:12 AM
Couple screenies I took few days ago.

(http://users.adelphia.net/~njellis/images/Shot00012.jpg)
Soldier trying to pick up weapon from a dead SMG soldier.
 (http://users.adelphia.net/~njellis/images/Shot00017.jpg)

Two SMGs and one riflemen trying to enter a building together (very stupid idea).
  (http://users.adelphia.net/~njellis/images/Shot00018.jpg)
and result...


  (http://users.adelphia.net/~njellis/images/Shot00003.jpg)

Rifle resting on a ledge.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Bruno on March 19, 2006, 05:10:20 AM
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Originally posted by Pooh21
one thing about RO I dont like at all is the prediction codes or whatever, you are running in a group with 5 guys, and they are all spinning around as you move. Same with long range bad guys, cant head shoot him as he is spinning in place like a top. Rubber bullets are bad too. some guy ran right at my mg42, from 100 yards. firing short bursts into him til the belt ran out and he was 20 ft in front of me!:furious  he grenaded me.


What ping server are you playing on? I haven't had anything like you describe. However, I only play on servers with less the 100 ping...
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Pooh21 on March 19, 2006, 05:42:36 AM
I play on servers with less then 100 ping, and at map start or when more then a couple of guys spawn near me they do the spinning bit
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: rabbidrabbit on March 19, 2006, 09:40:28 AM
what kind of numbers are on a server at a time?
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Saurdaukar on March 19, 2006, 03:28:20 PM
That K98 is on 'safe.'
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Bruno on March 19, 2006, 05:47:53 PM
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
what kind of numbers are on a server at a time?



Standard servers 32 max, with mutators I have seen higher numbers.

Its on the Quake 2.5 engine so if you have played America's Army you will be familiar with the netcode etc...
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Urchin on March 19, 2006, 10:31:03 PM
Well, I tried it.  I have to say I like BF2 better.  

Gameplay is the typical "team-FPS".  This typically means that on "assault" maps the defender outnumbers the attacker 1.5 to 1, and the "defending" team ends up camping the "attacking" teams spawn point.

A couple maps seemed interesting to play, I had fun on Odessa and Krazny whateverthehell... both of those seemed a bit difficult to get to the spawn to camp it.  

The "meeting engagement" type maps can be interesting, except all the ones I've played on so far involve mainly vehicles, which I'm not that into with this game.  They are hard to see out of, and 1-2 hits will kill a tank.

Bottom line I'd say, if you are on the fence and already have a FPS you can waste some time on, don't get this.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: B@tfinkV on March 19, 2006, 10:44:56 PM
MORE SCREENIES PLEASE!
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Bruno on March 20, 2006, 01:44:59 AM
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The "meeting engagement" type maps can be interesting, except all the ones I've played on so far involve mainly vehicles, which I'm not that into with this game. They are hard to see out of, and 1-2 hits will kill a tank.


To see out of the tanks better roll your mouse wheel to either zoom in a bit or to open the hatch (unbottoned).
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: SunKing on July 27, 2006, 11:27:52 AM
For anyone intrested in this game.

Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 Free Full-Game Trial via Steam (Aug 2 through Aug 7)

A new content patch will release before the trial too.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Makarov9 on July 27, 2006, 11:58:12 AM
I'm really enjoying the tank maps, like Orel. Long distance tank combat is a blast. Still love this game after all the years and additions.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: United on July 27, 2006, 12:05:20 PM
I'm a huge fan of the infantry.  Tanking just doesnt do it for me, but running around on Basovka is a blast. :)
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Charon on July 27, 2006, 01:12:12 PM
I just got it and practiced up some. What's a good server to get my newb bellybutton owned on? And, and interest in organizing an AH server night somewhere?

Charon
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: United on July 27, 2006, 01:16:50 PM
I'm game for an AH server night.

I usually spend my time on the FKs #1 w/ Customs server, but they have no tank maps.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: SunKing on July 27, 2006, 06:20:29 PM
The content update is out now.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: SunKing on July 31, 2006, 09:16:09 AM
Anyone catch the new easter egg?

(http://www.maporchestra.com/images/rofoot.jpg)

(http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/9304/rofoot1ga3.jpg)
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Makarov9 on July 31, 2006, 09:56:39 AM
Bigfoot is one tough SOB. I shot him about 10 times with 7.62x54R rounds and he didn't flinch. Where's a damn Panzerfaust when you need one?
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: United on July 31, 2006, 10:30:29 AM
Ahaha, I never saw that.  I love the new map but I struggle to get 15fps.  My fps really took a hit with this last patch.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: SunKing on July 31, 2006, 10:50:53 AM
With this new patch I think the game has reached the sweetspot between gaming and realism.

Now if only they could implement a better TK system. Last night every server had half the players in negative with children sitting in spawn TK their own side..... and this week will be even worse with the free demo  :mad:

Lets hope the admins log in.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Hawco on July 31, 2006, 12:29:51 PM
Why don't we try and get a few AH guys to form a few squads over in RO? I've been playing RO for 2 weeks and have to say I've banged my head of the keyboard 3 times so far in frustration lol.
Be good to get a few guys from here to all team up and go and kick some butt !
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: United on July 31, 2006, 12:43:18 PM
I'd say getting a group of 3-4 guys on a server to work together is the best way to play RO.  It just intesifies the fun for me, especially when all four have a different weapon.  I'd love to hook up with some of you guys sometime.  It would have to be pre-planned though because my work schedule is iffy at best.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: SunKing on July 31, 2006, 12:45:48 PM
well if any of you have http://www.xfire.com installed look me up  "sunking1" and we can find a game easy. Makarov9 is on xfire too but he never answers :noid
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Makarov9 on July 31, 2006, 02:16:38 PM
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Originally posted by SunKing
Makarov9 is on xfire too but he never answers :noid


Nothing personal, I just hate people in general... :) My Xfire name is 'Makarov' and I'll do a better job answering chats.

If you haven't tried RO then definitely give it a try this week with the free demo. Tripwire has put some excellent infantry and armor training videos on their website.

http://www.redorchestragame.com/ (http://www.redorchestragame.com/)

If you like realistic, non-bunny hoppin', WWII games then give RO a go.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: FUNKED1 on July 31, 2006, 07:46:47 PM
Have they fixed it to you can zoom to a realistic level on iron sights?
Anybody want to buy my copy?  PM if interested.
Title: Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 will release on Steam
Post by: Charon on August 07, 2006, 01:22:04 PM
I've started playing online and have to say that this is a blast. Very immersive.

Quote
Have they fixed it to you can zoom to a realistic level on iron sights?


I can't say that I find this a problem Funked, or particularly inaccurate. I can hit a "head" sized target at 100 yards as easy when supported and even easier "off hand" compared to real life. The problem is contrast at greater distances between the gun sight and the target. However, I can still hit a stationary target at greater ranges with little real difficulty and while moving targets are difficult, I would imagine they are as well at that range in RL.

I could hit pop up targets at 300m with no problem in the military, but there was always a good amount of artificial contrast on the range between target and background, and even though the target popped up there was no lateral movement involved. I seem to be able to do about as well in RO, though the lack of contrast makes it a bit less easy and it can take slightly longer to make sure. However, given the urban or rural environments in the game a camouflaged soldier should perhaps blend in more with the background. So again, not sure if it's a realism issue as much as a play style issue. Works for me though -- obviously YMMV.

What does irritate me somewhat is the poor armor/penetration model with the tanks. With the eye candy the immersion is fantastic up until you pump an 88 into the rear deck (or even turret top or hull bottom armor with the hilly terrain) of a T-34 at 25 yards and only damage it. Supposedly there are “hot spots” on the tank that make kills easier, and I may have found a few, but they are limited and mostly it seems to be a “total damage points” model at work. Add a realistic model and it's a world beater.

Also, it would be helpful to have a "dot" sight cue for shooting from the hip. The game perspective doesn't give a good aim point for what would be both natural and accurate at ranges under 20 yards. I do OK with a SMG but not so well with anything else. Practice certainly helps but [it should be easier to shoot] from the hip at a target 10 - 15m away (fairly natural/mental/eye/hand coordination). Obviously, and longer ranges it should be hard, perhaps even harder than it is in the game :)

Charon