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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AKFokerFoder+ on November 22, 2005, 07:58:00 PM
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Apparently there were more F4U-4s built with 4 20mm guns than F4U-Cs
Chance-Vought Official Site (http://www.vought.com/heritage/products/html/f4uquant.html)
1685 F4U-Ds were built in 1944
200 F4U-Cs were built in 1944
2045 F4U-4 and F4U-4C were built in 1944 (the C had cannons)
297 F4U-4B were built in 1944 these were cannon only models.
So there were more -4's built than -D's
So we should at least give the -4 cannons, perk tag or not.
And we perk the F4U-4?????
Why? probably because the -4 was the best fighter of the war, at least in some experts opinions.
Notice that the -4 is perked, the PonyD and Dora aren't.
Although I think the Tempest is still the premier MA ride perk or non perk
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F4u4 is a 1945 plane if I recall, and I know that -4Bs are post war.
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Bring 4x 20mm F4U4 to Aces High!:aok
It would be nice to have 4x 20mms on F4U-4s to simulate the F4U-5s that Fuerza Aerea Honduras (FAH) used against Fuerza Aerea El Salvador's (FAS) F-51Ds and FG-1D during the *Futbol* War in '69:)
FAH
F4U-4 with 6x 50 cal option
F4U-4 with 4x 20 mm option (This could sub for FAH's F4U-5Ns. Major Soto became the last fighter ace of the 20th century using prop planes)
vs
FAS
F-51D
FG-1D (F4U-1D built by Goodyear)
more info on FAH vs FAS
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/printer_156.shtml
:)
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F4u4s as it was barely saw ANY action in the war (literally arriving in the last few months, seeing little action at all -- I heard they shot maybe 2 planes down over Okinawa), and you want an even later model?
There's nothing wrong with 6x50cals as-is, Imagine a F4uc with F4u4 engine! There's a reason we're only including war-time planes, and sadly we shall not see this or many other post war planes, no matter how cool it would be (F7F... *cries silently* F8F *cries more*)
Oh well, better off that we NOT have them.
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Originally posted by Krusty
F4u4 is a 1945 plane if I recall, and I know that -4Bs are post war.
This is the website posted by the manufacturer of the F4U. This is not a website posted by some fan of the F4U.
F4U-4 Information (http://www.vought.com/heritage/products/html/f4u-4.html)
According to this site "The first flight of the production F4U-4 was in September 1944." That is production, not proto-type.
Again according to the Chance-Vought website: Note the part of the quote "War Years" meaning WW2
Other versions of the F4U-4 produced during the war years were:
F4U-4B: This airplane was equipped with four 20-mm cannons instead of 50-caliber machine guns (used in the early F4U-4 production) and eight 5-inch rockets under wings or up to 4,000 pounds on centerline and pylon racks. Vought built 297.
F4U-4C: Many F4U-4’s became F4U-4C’s with four 20-mm cannons in the wing instead of six 50-caliber machine guns which were used in the early F4U-4 production.
F4U-4N: This was a night version fighter of the F4U-4. Only one was built.
F4U-4P: This airplane was equipped cameras installed behind the pilot. Vought built 9.
By the end of 1944, Chance Vought was turning out 300 Corsairs a month, or one complete air[plane every 82 minutes. A total of 5,380 F4U’s were built during the year.
Chance Vought turned out 2,673, Brewster Aeronautical 599, and Goodyear Aircraft 2,108.
Again, check the url, it is the manufacturer's website :aok
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
Again, check the url, it is the manufacturer's website :aok
Erm.. generally I agree with websites that have clout behind them, but I believe they screwed up some simple things like top speed and/or armament on some of their own planes, so I don't trust theirs or Boeings' webpages anymore. Did you find any other links?
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Krusty, the F4U-4's service date was 4-'45 so it was introduced six months before the end of the war in the PTO. It saw extensive service at Okinawa.
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Off the top of my head I can't remember, what was V-J day? I thought it was June-ish...
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January, Febuary, March, April, May, June'ish VJ Day
1 2 3 4 5 6
Yep six months there and it started being manufacutred in 44 so we can add a few months to the six we have already detirmined that it was in service.
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August... 15th... two big booms ring a bell?
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Originally posted by Grits
Krusty, the F4U-4's service date was 4-'45 so it was introduced six months before the end of the war in the PTO. It saw extensive service at Okinawa.
4-'45. That's 2 months from June '45, Hornet.
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I believe he ment 44-45 not April 45
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FA has it. Its F4u4c all the time there.
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Operational service date in squadrons was April '45 the war ended in AUGUST 15th '45. Not quite 6 months, but it was in service for Okinawa which lasted from April to July where it saw extensive combat off of CV's.
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Yeah give the newbies another cannon hog crutch along with the Spitifres Typhoons Tempests and Hurricanes and 1c so they don't have to learn how to aim. They can just point in general direction, spray and hope for 1 hit. Don't worry about learning the game. Just make it easier to play.
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I'm not advocating for the F4U-4C, I only wanted to point out that the standard F4U-4 saw extensive combat, and was not "rare" by any measure.
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Originally posted by Mime
Yeah give the newbies another cannon hog crutch along with the Spitifres Typhoons Tempests and Hurricanes and 1c so they don't have to learn how to aim. They can just point in general direction, spray and hope for 1 hit. Don't worry about learning the game. Just make it easier to play.
We have several massively armed cannon fighters in AH2.
NIKI
190A8 (try the 2 20mm 2 30mm
190A5
Hurri
Typhie
Tempest
110
The 109s with the 2 20mm and 1 30mm
The LA7 with 3 nose mounted cannons
C Hog
262 4 30m
163
Probably missed one?
Add anything with 2 hispanos
Any of those are spray n pray
What is one more?
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You can scratch everything off the list there that isn't a Hispano, because they sure as hell don't have the ballistics of that noob cannon that in real life jammed half the time.
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Originally posted by Krusty
4-'45. That's 2 months from June '45, Hornet.
Quote:
Okinawa was the largest amphibious invasion of the Pacific campaign and the last major campaign of the Pacific War. More ships were used, more troops put ashore, more supplies transported, more bombs dropped, more naval guns fired against shore targets than any other operation in the Pacific. More people died during the Battle of Okinawa than all those killed during the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Casualties totaled more than 38,000 Americans wounded and 12,000 killed or missing, more than 107,000 Japanese and Okinawan conscripts killed, and perhaps 100,000 Okinawan civilians who perished in the battle
The US stared bombardment in Mid March. The first kamikaze attacks of the Okinawan campaign began almost immediately.
The Battle ended 21 June 45.
The Japanese officially surrendered on 2 Sept 1945.
You can bet your boots that the F4U-4 saw extensive service during this fight. As a Marine close air support weapon, it would have been used to hammer well dug in Japanese positions.
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Originally posted by Mime
You can scratch everything off the list there that isn't a Hispano, because they sure as hell don't have the ballistics of that noob cannon that in real life jammed half the time.
Heh, ever been HO'd by a 110, the old G6 with 30mm, or NIKI or a LA7?
The LA7 if you run into the bullet stream with put you down toot sweet.
One ping from a 30mm you are toast (as you should be).
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its not simplier to grab Tempest?
geee, let me count
F4U-1C is perked, around 12-17
F4U-4 is perked too, +/-30
so,
F4U-1C=
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F4U-4
=
F4U-4B/C = 50-70 perks
useless
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As I understood it all the stuff that claimed F4U-4Bs were used in WWII were actually based on misindentified F4U-1Cs.
I know that I have seen a least one photo claiming to be of F4U-4Bs that were actually F4U-1Cs.
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It's obvious that the -4 hogs just got in at the end of the war.
Cannon armed -4 hogs also just got in plus there were very few available.
To add a cannon armed -4 to the game would just make it too pricey to use much anyway.
I say keep things as they are with the perked -4 hogs/ 6x.50's
I don't want every swinging Richard out their flying my plane anyway.
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wow mime been here alittle over a year and your an expert on what would make the game dweeby thats interesting
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Do you really think that the registration date for this board means much? :)
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WOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Mime!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Mime
Yeah give the newbies another cannon hog crutch along with the Spitifres Typhoons Tempests and Hurricanes and 1c so they don't have to learn how to aim. They can just point in general direction, spray and hope for 1 hit. Don't worry about learning the game. Just make it easier to play.
I must have missed the "Noobies Only" tag on cannon aircraft. Realizing
how devasting being shotdown by someone new to the game must be, it
hardly seems fair to limit aircraft because they might pose a danger to you.
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Originally posted by Grits
Operational service date in squadrons was April '45 the war ended in AUGUST 15th '45. Not quite 6 months, but it was in service for Okinawa which lasted from April to July where it saw extensive combat off of CV's.
I stand corrected. Thanks Grits:aok
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Mime should know a noob ride when he sees one.
He's just a noob who hardly flies at all anyway.
;)
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Nath,
One stoppage in 1500 rounds fired (RAF service, USAAF and USN service had a significantly higher stoppage rate due to US manufacturing issues) equals "in real life jammed half the time"?
It seems to me that a 1/1500th chance of a jam is much less than a 1/2 chance of a jam. The 240 rounds of a Spitfire or the 360 rounds of a Hurricane Mk IIc or the 560 rounds of a Typhoon or the 700 rounds of a Mosquito Mk VI all have a greater chance of firing all their rounds without suffering a jam than they do of jamming.
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"Yeah give the newbies another cannon hog crutch along with the Spitifres Typhoons Tempests and Hurricanes and 1c so they don't have to learn how to aim. They can just point in general direction, spray and hope for 1 hit. Don't worry about learning the game. Just make it easier to play."
I have to admit it seems like 90 percent cannon planes flying now.
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Yeah but there's a difference between planes that require you to shoot, and pull lead into a target,than ones that you just spray like a laser beam ,and hit anything that happens to fly into it at D800.