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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: eagl on November 27, 2005, 02:34:48 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/27/woman.mauled.ap/index.html
Another needless death that might have been prevented any number of ways. Had she carried a gun, had the guy who tried to help her had a gun, or if dog owners were held more accountable by local authorities for the actions of their dogs BEFORE this sort of thing happens.
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eagl,
I think your state of discontent in Limeyland is sending you a bit dulally. A gun is a bit over the top. Maybe if she was armed with a door handle.... oh wait, but then she'd have you chasing after her. :rofl:
I used to mow my parents lawn on a riding mower - never got attacked once. :lol
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I'd shoot the dogs. Then the owner
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If you read the article, it says the dogs confronted her, she had probably done something to her earlier so it was a revenge attack.
But seriously, what is the big frickin deal with having a Rottweiler or Pitbull? Status? I'd certainly rather have my German Shepard over those banana dogs.
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Years ago when I delivered newspapers, I'd go collecting on the weekend for the folks who didnt pay direct. 9 times out of 10, the terribly fierce sounding dog behind the door waiting to tear me apart was some sorta poodle/foo-foo dog. :D
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Poodle/Foo foo dogs have terrible ankle biting/humping characteristics, you should be thankful you got out alive.
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I'm not sure what good a gun would have done a 76-year-old lady versus 6 charging dogs. Well, maybe she could have made it 5 charging dogs instead. Finding out why the owner had a roaming pack of 6 rotweiller pits would certainly be my first question. Sounds like Jose has some 'splanin' to do, and at the very least needs 6 dead dogs and a good sound beating.
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SOB,
It probably would have done her more good than what she had.
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Yeah, I suppose I'd rather be mauled by 5 dogs than 6. I imagine she could have had a gun though, as she lived in Texas.
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I thought everyone in Texas had a gun:(
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She blows away one dog, and the others might get second thoughts.
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Even though I believe Thrawn is being sarcastic, he is right.
Survival instincts would kick in after she ****in 'sploded one dog.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Even though I believe Thrawn is being sarcastic
Nope, heck the sound of the gun going off alone might do it.
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Careful Thrawn, the Brits will label you a gun nut and a right wing extremist.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Careful Thrawn, the Brits will label you a gun nut and a right wing extremist.
To which I would respond, "Nope, I'm a freedom nut. And if loving freedom makes me a right wing extremist so be it.". ;)
But, generally speaking, I wouldn't expect someone that lives in a country where they meakly accept the government forcing them to have manditory national identitification papers to understand that. Not that Canada is much better with our firearm registration.
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Firearm registration? What's that?
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Originally posted by SOB
Firearm registration? What's that?
It's ****ing stupid, that's what it is.
Every legally owned gun in Canada has to be registered. Projected cost of feel-good-bull****-do-nothing-to-stop-crime project was $119 million. Actual cost has been $2 billion.
There has been a fair bit of civil disobeidance over it, hence the massive cost overuns. And oh yeah, But I except most Canadians to eventually fall in line like good puppies. At least we put thoughts of having a mandatory identity card here out of our politians minds for the time being.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_gun_registry
"Statistics Canada data show that Canada's total violent crime rate fell 2 per cent last year, and has been in decline since 1992. This same data show that the national homicide rate increased 12 per cent to 622 victims last year, after hitting a 36-year-low in 2003."
Haha!
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A dogs olfactry (sp?) is 150,000.00 times that of a human.
A can of Oleoresin Capsicum spray would have done the same thing.
Hard to shoot yourself in the foot or anyone else with that.
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I'm trying to picture the scene, all those years ago, as I wheeled our riding mower out of the garage, across the pebble driveway and up two wooden ramps that I used to get it onto the lawn, then went back for the seat, carried it across and hitched it up. I'd check the oil and add petrol, and put the petrol can back in the garage. Pulling on the recoil start, I'd bring the engine round till I could feel the compression, then ease the recoil start back in ready for the big pull. Choke set, throttle set... and just then, Dad would come running out of the house with a gun and holster. "You must strap this on, or you won't be safe!", he'd shout. Oh yeah, I'll put that on right away, Dad - just in case next door's labrador attacks me. :lol
Keep these articles coming, guys! I find that Ameritard paranoia is one of the funniest things on this board! :rofl
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An old woman is more likely to shoot herself in the hip or a bystander if she tries to fire on a fast moving dog in a panic. The correct solution to the problem is to force the owners of attack dogs / any large canine to leash the dogs when outside or cage them. There's absolutely no reason why an attack dog should be left to run unleashed in a housing enviroment.
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But Ripley, don't you know - a gun is the solution to... everything! :aok
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Originally posted by Thrawn
It's ****ing stupid, that's what it is.
Every legally owned gun in Canada has to be registered. Projected cost of feel-good-bull****-do-nothing-to-stop-crime project was $119 million. Actual cost has been $2 billion.
There has been a fair bit of civil disobeidance over it, hence the massive cost overuns. And oh yeah, But I except most Canadians to eventually fall in line like good puppies. At least we put thoughts of having a mandatory identity card here out of our politians minds for the time being.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_gun_registry
"Statistics Canada data show that Canada's total violent crime rate fell 2 per cent last year, and has been in decline since 1992. This same data show that the national homicide rate increased 12 per cent to 622 victims last year, after hitting a 36-year-low in 2003."
Haha!
Thrawn, it may not be any consolation to you but the Canadian exsperience with universal gun registration was a big help to NZ shooters rights groups in convincing the NZ government not to go down the same path.
The govt had the legislation written and ready to be made into law and they were determined to introduce it, but they couldn't figure out how to make it work and not have the problems Canada was having ie a blow out in costs and a high level of non-compliance by gun owners.
Excel
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Wikipedia: and that it was only a step on the way to the confiscation of all guns in Canada.
Rofl what retarded rhetoric they're using. Welcome to visit Finland where every firearm has to be registered and has been for decades. Hobby shooting is still alive and well, so is hunting. Nobody I know has ever complained about the need to register. The mandatory registration just means that every tardling does not own a firearm as it takes a bit of work in order to get one. Currently only the people who have real interest or need for weapons own them. If you got a violent criminal record it's hard to impossible to get a permit. Which is good.
Naturally the criminals still get guns.. Chinese machine guns etc. The difference is that they're very rare and the consequences of using one in a crime are hard. I've never seen anyone carry a weapon in public let alone having anyone at gunpoint. The police does carry here unlike in UK.
If you want to own a hunting rifle you need to pass the hunting permit test with animal recognition etc. requirements. After getting the license it's possible to buy any hunting caliber rifle or shotguns. Full auto weapons require proof of a hobby-type involvement or membership in some military organization. In any case if a person has a clean rep and the will he can register and buy a full auto assault rifle even here. Again it's hard, requires work and your average Joe will not go through the process. That means that a few thousand people with hidden mental disorders will not be shopping for one anytime in near future.
Although I fully support the registration the current system in Finland is really over the top. The criminal is more protected here than the average consumer. It is not allowed to use any weapon to defend yourself basically in any situation. This has lead to prosecution of shopowners who shot and wounded BnE assaulters etc. Now THAT sucks.
But this really has nothing to do with the requirement to register - this country is just nannying the criminals in an unbelievable way. This is far worse a problem than any gun restriction.
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Hysterical. So the neighbor's got 6 fighting dogs poorly contained, and the solution is to arm granny when she mows the lawn? Oh yeah, and arm the guy who wanted to save her, so he can fire into the mass of little old lady and dog? I assume all grandmas should carry a two-way radio just in case the neighbor and his buddies get drunk and start shooting at her while she's weeding the daisies. Then all she needs to do is duck behind the planter and call in a nine-line, bill it COD please? As long as the CAS stack isn't tied up dumping FAE's on crack houses, she should be okay, right?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Keep these articles coming, guys! I find that Ameritard paranoia is one of the funniest things on this board! :rofl
I can assure you they are not as hilarious as the wear and tear, kneepad responses we get out of you while you bow before the queen. Do you get all giddy when you here the snap as she straps one on for ya? You`ve allready assumed the position. She`s just using it to the advantage. :)
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Maybe yuropeans like to think they're more parts of a society instead of lone-shark rebels such as you gun-touting crowd.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Maybe yuropeans like to think they're more parts of a society instead of lone-shark rebels such as you gun-touting crowd.
Yea, pawns. :)
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Whatever you wish to think Jackal. I for one am _happy_ I don't need to own a firearm. We don't even lock our front door for the night many times even though we live in the city.
Basically speaking if the need for owning a gun would arise one day, I would have no trouble to get one.
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"Weldon Smith, of Rockdale, tried to help Stiles and and was bitten on his leg. He ran to alert the woman's husband, Jack Stiles, who was inside the couple's home at the time of the incident. Jack Stiles retrieved a gun and fatally shot one of the dogs, The Eagle reported."
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Originally posted by Dinger
I assume all grandmas should carry a two-way radio just in case the neighbor and his buddies get drunk and start shooting at her while she's weeding the daisies.
:rofl
Jackal! You don't know what you're talking about!! I am not tied to this country. I can go and live in any of the other 24 EU member states without so much as filling in an application form. :p Two of my leading choices do not have monarchies, so I am not tied to a king or queen in any way. Just thought I'd point that out before you step in it once more. :D
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lots of choices eh beet? all the same. Riding a mower in tiny little limeyland is not the same thing as anything in Texas.
I have shot about a dozen dogs in my life... they all react differently..
this is farm and ranch country.. the city boys with lawn mowing services move out here and let their big dogs run free... the dogs pack up and attack livestock and.... people.
There was this group of three large dogs that had been attacking my guys and if you made it back to your truck they would hit the windows growling and snapping and chase the truck.
I got the 44 mag 4" and when they came the first one faced me and growled and the other two flanked out on each side.... like they would a mother sheep or cow.
The first round took the lead dog high on the back and I seen the round hit the dirt behind him... he spun around and kicked a bit... the other two stopped but started growling and barking... the next round cought the dog on my left (closest) in the shoulder and he spun and bit at himself before he died.. the other dog backed up 20' or so and growled then ran.. next shot missed and last shot took him somewhere in the lower body. he spun and bit at the wound then got in the brush and under a fence....
Hope he made it home to his owner..
The owner got another big dog that I took with one shot to the head about a month latter. somehow.... That 44 seemed a lot more comforting and reliable than getting a can of spocks doggy perfume.
I would like to see at least 10% of the population have concealed carry permits... seems to lower crime.
lazs
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Mr ripley... Americans feel that they are individuals with rights as individuals... We feel that we are part of "society" so long as that society does not infringe on our rights.
lazs
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Keep these articles coming, guys! I find that Ameritard paranoia is one of the funniest things on this board!
For being from the mother land, the lack of grasp of the English language is amazing.
Paranoia is something that is unfounded.
It is not paranoia to fear packs of dogs when 6 dogs kill an elderly lady.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
An old woman is more likely to shoot herself in the hip or a bystander if she tries to fire on a fast moving dog in a panic. The correct solution to the problem is to force the owners of attack dogs / any large canine to leash the dogs when outside or cage them. There's absolutely no reason why an attack dog should be left to run unleashed in a housing enviroment.
I would be willing to bet that the city or county had a leash law, and the dog owner ignored it. Just like criminals ignore gun laws and any other law.
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It amazes me that more women do not pack guns.
That way when some abusive jerk attempts to assault them they could fight back.
It is no wonder some of the brits on this board fear armed people.
Nothing worse then a dude who abuses women and children.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
It is not paranoia to fear packs of dogs when 6 dogs kill an elderly lady.
Correct...but it IS paranoia to be afraid that a pack of dogs is going to kill you everytime you step outside.
GTO...by that logic all children should be armed too...right?
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When they are old enough to understand what a gun is sure.
I was.
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curval... your chance of ever needing a seat belt is even slighter than the chance of becoming a victim of a violent crime.... does that mean that people who put on seatbelts are paranoid?
If more people had concealed carry permits it is possible that someone witnessing the attack could have shot the dogs..
bystanders getting a gun and stopping dog attacks are not that uncommon here. How do you think police stop dog attacks? they shoot.
and GTO... the fastest growing segment of the population that is getting concealed carry permits is..... women.
lazs
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Originally posted by eagl
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/27/woman.mauled.ap/index.html
Another needless death that might have been prevented any number of ways. Had she carried a gun, had the guy who tried to help her had a gun, or if dog owners were held more accountable by local authorities for the actions of their dogs BEFORE this sort of thing happens.
Carrying a gun while riding a lawn mower? Do you know anyone that does this? And if so, why?
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Originally posted by nirvana
If you read the article, it says the dogs confronted her, she had probably done something to her earlier so it was a revenge attack.
Gotta ease up on the cartoons. Dogs do not think this way.
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Yeah, dogs don't confront for revenge. It was probably an intervention gone awry.
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Originally posted by lazs2
curval... your chance of ever needing a seat belt is even slighter than the chance of becoming a victim of a violent crime.... does that mean that people who put on seatbelts are paranoid?
No, it means they are obeying the law.
"If more people had concealed carry permits it is possible that someone witnessing the attack could have shot the dogs..
Yes it's possible. Is it not also "possible" that the witness could have killed the granny instead of a dog by mistake?
bystanders getting a gun and stopping dog attacks are not that uncommon here. How do you think police stop dog attacks? they shoot.
I thought they used tasers and mace more often...just in case they miss and kill some innocent bystander?
and GTO... the fastest growing segment of the population that is getting concealed carry permits is..... women.
Really? That's interesting. Given your general distrust of females in general I'm surprised you are happy about that.
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curval - lazs is in one of his "la la la la - I don't want to hear this" moods. You could type a rational post 6 times or till you were blue in the face (whichever came first) and lazs would say something like "so what are you saying?" or "so you're saying that it's the fault of women or big government?"
I'm not wasting any more time - not today at least.
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We have a joke. It's better to have Saiga (semi-authomatic carabine), even not to have it when you need it.
So, it's not important, are you an old lady or not. It's always a good idea to carry a gun. Sure if your law approve it.
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Originally posted by Curval
No, it means they are obeying the law.
I'd wear my seat belt even if it wasn't the law. I guess I'm paranoid.
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Originally posted by beet1e
curval - lazs is in one of his "la la la la - I don't want to hear this" moods. You could type a rational post 6 times or till you were blue in the face (whichever came first) and lazs would say something like "so what are you saying?" or "so you're saying that it's the fault of women or big government?"
I'm not wasting any more time - not today at least.
Wasting your time doing what? Telling people in another country how they should legislate firearms in thier country? You're right, you shouldn't waste any more of your time, as it's none of your business.
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Originally posted by beet1e
:rofl
Jackal! You don't know what you're talking about!! I am not tied to this country. I can go and live in any of the other 24 EU member states without so much as filling in an application form. :p Two of my leading choices do not have monarchies, so I am not tied to a king or queen in any way. Just thought I'd point that out before you step in it once more. :D
Sure you`re not Beet. You keep telling yourself that. Now go get some new kneepads.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Whatever you wish to think Jackal. I for one am _happy_ I don't need to own a firearm.
That`s not the point that`s being discussed. A good try though. The point is the "right" to own one.
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If everyone carried a gun, soon as someone fired first, everyone else would start shooting.
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Originally posted by SOB
Wasting your time doing what? Telling people in another country how they should legislate firearms in thier country? You're right, you shouldn't waste any more of your time, as it's none of your business.
No SOB, wasting time explaining to Lazs about why the price of gas fluctuates according to the laws of supply and demand, rather than because of liberal women, girly men and big government.
Jackal - I'm sure your education covered British history. Too bad it didn't go beyond the 18th century! :rofl
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That`s not the point that`s being discussed. A good try though. The point is the "right" to own one.
That depends who you ask from. According to lazs for example it's 'right to own an unregistered weapon'. The right to own one has nothing to do with the conspiracy buffs crying about registration.
Even though our constitution does not point out the specific right I could get one any time I wished to do so. So far my uncles collection of handguns have sufficed for me - we go out shooting together when I feel like shooting stuff.
I personally have better things to invest in. I could get a Geforce7800GTX for the price of a Beretta. AH is more fun for me than shooting, at least for now.
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Originally posted by Curval
Yes it's possible. Is it not also "possible" that the witness could have killed the granny instead of a dog by mistake?
But if yet another guy pulled out his Sig and squeezed off a few, he could have killed the dogs and the guy who shot Granny: problem solved.
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Originally posted by lazs2
lots of choices eh beet? all the same. Riding a mower in tiny little limeyland is not the same thing as anything in Texas.
I have shot about a dozen dogs in my life... they all react differently..
this is farm and ranch country.. the city boys with lawn mowing services move out here and let their big dogs run free... the dogs pack up and attack livestock and.... people.
There was this group of three large dogs that had been attacking my guys and if you made it back to your truck they would hit the windows growling and snapping and chase the truck.
I got the 44 mag 4" and when they came the first one faced me and growled and the other two flanked out on each side.... like they would a mother sheep or cow.
The first round took the lead dog high on the back and I seen the round hit the dirt behind him... he spun around and kicked a bit... the other two stopped but started growling and barking... the next round cought the dog on my left (closest) in the shoulder and he spun and bit at himself before he died.. the other dog backed up 20' or so and growled then ran.. next shot missed and last shot took him somewhere in the lower body. he spun and bit at the wound then got in the brush and under a fence....
Hope he made it home to his owner..
The owner got another big dog that I took with one shot to the head about a month latter. somehow.... That 44 seemed a lot more comforting and reliable than getting a can of spocks doggy perfume.
I would like to see at least 10% of the population have concealed carry permits... seems to lower crime.
lazs
Hmmm. Im all for shooting an attacking animal, dog or otherwise. Ive done it myself. But you dont need to arm the blue rinse brigade when their mowing their lawns either. The truth is she probably would have shot herself or her saviour and theres nothing like a wounded howling writhing human being to turn a good game for the dog to an even better one.
I observe you used your .44 Dirty Harry and left the 3rd dog to crawl off into the scrub? Thats a little redneck even for you isnt it? Ive never left an animal suffer, vicious or otherwise. If your going to put one in it, a decent human being especially one who talks like the great white hunter, would finish the job eh?
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beet... you claim that the solution to gas shortages is to put a punitive fine (tax) on gas "guzzlers" at the time of purchase and give this money to..... ta da... the government to make the government stronger with more tax...
you have been a socialist for so long that you don't even see it anymore... you only see that you are less of a commie than the fellows around you.
spock... you are again revealing your thinking.... you have shot wild animals but feel that you are "special" your neighbors and fellow men are not allowed to own guns if you are in charge. As for letting the dog get away and suffer? if you had seen what dog packs do to livestock..sheep running with their guts hanging out... calves mutilated and left to die... udders ripped out etc... you mioght think that wounding the dog so that it made it back to the owners home was a good idea too.
In my opinion... you are problyu the last person in australia that I would want to see own a gun.. you are pompous and self centered and an elitist with a highly visible contempt for your fellow man.
ripley... I don't believe in regestration because historicaly it has led to confiscation.. We have seen many example of this.. here, in NJ and in say frisco now... those who own regestered guns that were formerly legal... are now in possession of illegal guns (illegal only in those little areas) that have the owners name and address all sitting in a file somewhere.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
you are pompous and self centered and an elitist with a highly visible contempt for your fellow man.
lol...this from a guy who keeps jigging his stats along racial lines.:rofl
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jigging stats along racial lines? 52% of the homicides in America are commited by blacks.... of the solved or known ones... if you used the same percentages (52%) for unsloved ones then it would be a huge number. I did not put out these stats the DOJ did... call them racists if you would... It is probly more racist to ignore a stat because of race than to do as I did.
latter... nashwan tells us that even with 2% blacks in england that blacks commit a lot of it's murders... he has no stats just a few examples. It would seem tho that he is saying that blacks everywhere are murderous.... far from what I was saying... he implies that poor people and blacks everywhere are murderous... I only say that a portion of our black population commits most of the murders in our country.
I do not propose that all blacks or... anyone be disarmed because of this tho.
dowding says that I use new math... I say there is not much difference bettween 1.7 per hundred thou and 3 per hundred thou... he says twice as many... ok... but it is as I say... insignificant..
like saying two drops added to a full bathtub is twice as much water added... true, but... insignificant.
a .000017 chance of being murdered compared to a .000030 chance.... insignificant..
lazs
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If I get shot in America by a black man or by a white man...it is still gonna hurt alot and I'm still getting shot in America.
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Originally posted by lazs2
beet... you claim that the solution to gas shortages is to put a punitive fine (tax) on gas "guzzlers" at the time of purchase and give this money to..... ta da... the government to make the government stronger with more tax...
But the US has lots of taxes - income tax, sales tax etc. You're saying these are socialist measures. Does this make the US a socialist country?
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Originally posted by lazs2
In my opinion... you are problyu the last person in australia that I would want to see own a gun.. you are pompous and self centered and an elitist with a highly visible contempt for your fellow man.
lazs
Not all of my fellow man Laz. Just those who I suspect buried kittens in the ground up to the necks as a child and used them for lawnmower practise. The kind of guy who leaves a wounded animal skulk off into the bush to die because it makes him feel manly when he holds a gun in his hand and naked, scared and vunerable when he doesnt.
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wow three UKers don't like me in a row... what a shock
curval.. blacks here murder 96% of the time... other blacks...you would be relatively safe from them if you were white.
beetle... you are the one calling for a tax. you are calling for a socialist solution. We certainly do have taxes on all the things you say but they are less than yours and we certainly would never put up with the kind of gas tax you have or voluteer for a punitive tax.
spock... I believe that you are insane. you feel that you for some reason can be trusted to carry a gun and to kill but that your fellow man is too idiotic and dangerous... I have asked you before.. with your paranoia... how do you get around? certainly you must fear your murderous fellow man will run you down while you walk the streets? How do you stand driving knowing those untrustworthy fellow aussies won't just go crazy and cross the double yellow to kill you with 2 tons of car at over 70 mph?
as for the dogs in question... their suffering or lack thereof doesn't matter to me one way or the other... if they do happen to drag themselves off tho... I simply hoped that they make it to their owners house to die... preferably under it in the heat of the summer.
and... I don't have anything against kittens. never have.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
curval.. blacks here murder 96% of the time... other blacks...you would be relatively safe from them if you were white.
But..if I was shot and killed by a black man wouldn't that show up in your stats as black crime as part of the 52% of the homicides in the US? You know...the figures you want excluded?
Or...let's assume I am a "well adjusted" black man who has adopted the white-way and moved into the suburbs and I was shot and killed by a "bad black" from the inner city. Exclude that too right?
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Yes curval, we would have to exclude your death from the stats for two reasons: 1) you would have been killed by a black man; 2) By ignoring the fact that you were killed, we can count you in the living population so that the homicides per capita figure doesn't look as bad.
wow three UKers don't like me in a row...
Lazs - since when is an Australian a UKer? Since when is a Bermudan a UKer?
:huh
And... don't be a sausage - you know we love you really. :aok
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Originally posted by lazs2
he died.. the other dog backed up 20' or so and growled then ran.. next shot missed and last shot took him somewhere in the lower body. he spun and bit at the wound then got in the brush and under a fence....
lazs
he ran but still got shot in the back - typical
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Originally posted by beet1e
Lazs - since when is an Australian a UKer? Since when is a Bermudan a UKer?
:huh
(http://photos1.blogger.com/img/146/926/640/australia%20flag.jpg)
(http://www.flagfinder.com/flagfinder/images/bermuda1_.jpg)
They may not be true Uk'ers, but they both have Union Jack on their flags, drive on the wrong side of the street, and probably spell color wrong. Give Lazs some slack.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
(http://photos1.blogger.com/img/146/926/640/australia%20flag.jpg)
(http://www.flagfinder.com/flagfinder/images/bermuda1_.jpg)
They may not be true Uk'ers, but they both have Union Jack on their flags, drive on the wrong side of the street, and probably spell color wrong. Give Lazs some slack.
Its the English language Holden. Eng leeeeshhhhh.....
And color is spelt correctly as colour and Laz is technically correct. I am English born. London England 1965. Naturalised Australian joining the Australian Regular Army 1987.
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scspook - did you go to OZ by the assisted passage programme - £10?
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
That depends who you ask from. According to lazs for example it's 'right to own an unregistered weapon'. The right to own one has nothing to do with the conspiracy buffs crying about registration.
No conspiracy buffs amoung the firearm owning fraternity in NZ.
Our govt made it it perfecty clear that the primary reason they wanted to introduce registration for all guns was to make it easier for them to restrict/ban selected types of firearms of their choosing. They were going to start with but not end with ; self loading rifles and pump action shot guns. It was freeking obvious that the ramifications of this would be to decimate a sport/hobby enjoyed by tens of thousands of people.. for no good reason. It was an exercise by a govt trying to satisfy it's own control fetish.
At least the govt was open with it's intentions, which probably ensured that it was never going to get the 80%+ compliance level from gun owners that it said it needed for universal registration (and the gun control measures that would have followed) to work.
But that ain't the end of it.
It's still work in progress, and the bastiges never sleep.
Excel
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Originally posted by scspook
Its the English language Holden. Eng leeeeshhhhh.....
And color is spelt correctly as colour...
Color is spelled c-o-l-o-r. Proof (http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/database/usnukes.html)
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Originally posted by beet1e
Jackal - I'm sure your education covered British history. Too bad it didn't go beyond the 18th century! :rofl
The 18th century seems to be a fine place to stop. Nothing much seems to have changed there since then. Well seems like there was the tea party and all the *** kicking, but after that It was pretty much a gray colored, boring wall. During that time I was much more interested in Native American history. I focused much of my time on one full blood Cherokee in particular. 38-24-36. :)
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beet and curval... if you got shot by a black that would put you in the less than 4% of the whites murdered by blacks.. insignificant...murders in the U.S. happen along racial lines... blacks murder blacks and whites murder whites. Sincea lot of the unsolved murders are of blacks it would be pretty much fair to assume that most of them were commited by other blacks.
excel... thank you for providing another example. I am truely sorry that you have to endure it... good luck.
UK... who cares?... if they drive on the wrong side of the road and butcher the American language and fawn over the queen... they are UK to me. If they say mate or the british flag is anywhere around... they are UK to me.
spock.. I am not at all surprised that you are not a true aussie... I used to admire aussies for their rugged individualism but when they gave up their guns like lambs I admit to being dissapointed... I am sure it had to do with a lot of socialists like yourself moving there and wanting to "make things better for their own good" the poor uncultured natives.
Your contempt for your fellow man is disturbing tho... I bet I know a bunch of 76 year olds who could outshoot you any day of the week... Go to any range here and you will find em. I wondered how a real aussie could have such a superior and elitest attitude... now I know.... you are really a brit.
lazs
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Nothing much seems to have changed there since then.
How would you know, given that you've never been here, and given that your own education didn't go beyond the 18th century? :confused:
Lazs - you'll see that Union Jack flag on the backs of cars in states like Georgia.
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do you mean the stars and bars? The confederate flag?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
beet and curval... if you got shot by a black that would put you in the less than 4% of the whites murdered by blacks.. insignificant...murders in the U.S. happen along racial lines... blacks murder blacks and whites murder whites. Sincea lot of the unsolved murders are of blacks it would be pretty much fair to assume that most of them were commited by other blacks.
Interesting.
It doesn't really jibe with why you need to arm yourselves in the US to protect yourselves then.
If you are safe from blacks...who according to you commit all the crime...being a white guy why would you need to protect yourself? Are you protecting yourself from maurading bands of toothless rednecks, angry yuppies, beserker city folk? What?
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certainly it does.... whites here commit allmost as much crime as whites in that tiny little island that owns yours.
While it is prudent to stay out of ghettos... there are still bad guys, snakes vicious dogs and wild animals and uppity governments to contend with...
and a firearm is a really really good tool to have for that... plus... as you know (but are forbiden to enjoy).. they are just so darn much fun.
lazs
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jigging stats along racial lines? 52% of the homicides in America are commited by blacks.... of the solved or known ones... if you used the same percentages (52%) for unsloved ones then it would be a huge number.
Not according to the FBI.
According to them, of the 16,137 murders in the US last year, 5,608 were by black people, 5,339 by whites. In 4717 cases the race of the offender was unknown or unreported.
That's not 52% of murders by blacks, and half the unsolved ones as well, it's about 52% of the known murders by blacks, and presumably a similar proportion of the unknown ones as well, for an overall total of about 50%.
You have a very odd way of interpreting statisics, lazs.
beet and curval... if you got shot by a black that would put you in the less than 4% of the whites murdered by blacks.. insignificant...murders in the U.S. happen along racial lines... blacks murder blacks and whites murder whites. Sincea lot of the unsolved murders are of blacks it would be pretty much fair to assume that most of them were commited by other blacks.
Actually there are more white victims than black victims in total. Of those murders where the race of the victim was reported, 6,929 were white, 6,632 were black. If murders are on racial lines (and they are, to a large extent) then that would indicate more unsolved murders are of whites by whites, with the total of white murders in the US being just over half.
The only real conclusion, because of the number of unknowns, is that the murder rate in the US is split almost equally between whites and blacks, about 50% each.
If they say mate or the british flag is anywhere around... they are UK to me.
Hawaii is part of the UK???
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Originally posted by lazs2
do you mean the stars and bars? The confederate flag?
No, but that too. I meant the U.J. Saw that on the backs of cars and thought it odd - in GA.
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Beet, typo above. I was naturalised through the Army 1984. Came here in 1968 on 10 pound immigration lurk. I was 3 at the time. Those were the days when people paid you to travel? Didnt even have to steal anything either heh.
Laz, your opinion of me doesnt concern me in the slightest. Firstly, i'd outshoot you and your 76 year old redneck mates in a heartbeat. Either static or on the move. FYI, I dont have a socialist bone in my body. Despite that, I have managed to avoid become a redneck knowitall wannabee with some degree of success.
The interesting thing I find about you Laz, is your willing to wave your flag only when it suits you. Yet in the same mouthful of air, your willing to take up arms against it should it ever turn against your radical views. You need a weapon to protect yourself against an imaginary enemy that you can still call home when it suits your needs. A bit like being an Atheist all your life and calling for help from god a fraction of a second before being ripped apart by wild dog who remembers you shooting it in the back a few months ago.
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Do they say "mate" in hawaii?
nashwan... blacks murder more whites than whites murder blacks tho since 6% of black murderers kill whites. even tho as you say... blacks and whites commit about the same amount of homicides, 52% of homicides commited by blacks vs 48% by whites and all other races combined... you would have to admit that the percentages, given population sizes... is extremely disproportionate and scews the U.S. homicide stats.
I would hope that you would also admit that the difference in chance of being murdered between .000017% per hundred thousand population compared to .00002 or .00003% per 100,000 population is indeed an insignificant amount.
you gave up your rights for nothing and it probly is why your crime rate is so high.
lazs
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Originally posted by beet1e
How would you know, given that you've never been here, and given that your own education didn't go beyond the 18th century? :confused:
Assumptions again. What`s to learn besides boring, stuffed up, what eh? All the same same.
Cricket and tomato bruising. Both sports for the limp of wrist.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Assumptions again. What`s to learn besides boring, stuffed up, what eh? All the same same.
Cricket and tomato bruising. Both sports for the limp of wrist.
Hah! You're a fine one to talk about sports you know nothing about, played in countries you know nothing about. At least we don't give our sporting events grandiose titles like "World Series" for a game played only in the USA and Toronto. And where I come from, football means football, not a game where the ball is carried 25% of the time, and the other 75% is stoppage time - really exciting game! No assumptions, Jack. You said yourself you'd never been here, besides which your 15th century perception of the British Monarchy and your complete lack of knowledge about European integration since 1957 make it patently obvious.
:rofl
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You live there Bruiser, not me. You have to deal with it , not me.
I`d be bored to friggen tears.
I would tell you what has become "patently obvious" about you there hoss, but I would imagine it would get me banned, so you can just use your imagination.................. ..........I mean if you are still allowed to have one. :)
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speaking of games nashwan... wouldn't you admit that soccer matches are far too dangerous to allow? Look at all the soccer riots. Soccer riots kill more than any riot we have ever had here in modern times... You would be safer in riot zones in the U.S. than at a soccer game during a soccer riot where your law abiding non gun toteing people are.
in our riots... maybe 20-50 will die in a city of over a million... in your soccer riots 150 may die out of maybe 30, 40 thousand or so... I'm not very good at math so maybe you can work that out for me?
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Originally posted by lazs2
speaking of games nashwan... wouldn't you admit that soccer matches are far too dangerous to allow? Look at all the soccer riots. Soccer riots kill more than any riot we have ever had here in modern times... You would be safer in riot zones in the U.S. than at a soccer game during a soccer riot where your law abiding non gun toteing people are.
in our riots... maybe 20-50 will die in a city of over a million... in your soccer riots 150 may die out of maybe 30, 40 thousand or so... I'm not very good at math so maybe you can work that out for me?
You're not very good at "facts" either. Care to provide some backup for those outrageous figures?
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for one... http://www.emergency.com/socrviol.htm
lazs
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The deaths mentioned in that article are not related to riots at all.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
You live there Bruiser, not me. You have to deal with it , not me.
I`d be bored to friggen tears.
Yeah, I guess you would. Not enough redneck bars. Not enough places serving grits. Not enough steel gitt-tarrzz. Not enough 1950s cars that get 5-6mpg. And not enough silly hats. :lol
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
An old woman is more likely to shoot herself in the hip or a bystander if she tries to fire on a fast moving dog in a panic. The correct solution to the problem is to force the owners of attack dogs / any large canine to leash the dogs when outside or cage them. There's absolutely no reason why an attack dog should be left to run unleashed in a housing enviroment.
News flash, mrripley. It's already illegal to let your dogs run loose in every jurisdiction I have ever heard of. Jose didn't care about the law.
Don't take this personally, now. It's not your fault.
You have been propagandized into believing that the solution to a problem is to make a new law about it. That crime is prevented by laws. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The truth is that laws only codify and provide a punishment for a criminal that gets caught. That's supposed to "deter". The problem with that idea is that deterrance only works with those that are intimidated by authority. Criminals--by definition--aren't.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Hah! You're a fine one to talk about sports you know nothing about, played in countries you know nothing about. At least we don't give our sporting events grandiose titles like "World Series" for a game played only in the USA and Toronto. And where I come from, football means football, not a game where the ball is carried 25% of the time, and the other 75% is stoppage time - really exciting game! No assumptions, Jack. You said yourself you'd never been here, besides which your 15th century perception of the British Monarchy and your complete lack of knowledge about European integration since 1957 make it patently obvious.
:rofl
Jut off the top of my head, here are some other countries that play organized baseball seriously:
Taiwan
The Phillipines
Japan (cricket never caught on there despite their relations with the brits)
Cuba (!)
Puerto Rico
Domincan Republic
Korea
Indonesia
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Fidel Castro was a fairly decent pitcher.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Fidel Castro was a fairly decent pitcher.
Prolly why brits don't like baseball.... to many catchers.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Yeah, I guess you would. Not enough redneck bars. Not enough places serving grits. Not enough steel gitt-tarrzz. Not enough 1950s cars that get 5-6mpg. And not enough silly hats. :lol
I can see why redneck bars would be a no-no for you. Usualy in a bar fight it is man against man, not man against a woman, but on the other hand a good Texican female could take ya in a heartbeat I suspect.
Haven`t had grits in a while, but I`ll take em over tea and crumpets anyday. Never could abide by the extended pinky thing you prissy Brits are so fond of. :)
That`s Geetars hoss. I prefer electric, but a good steel in the right hands is a pure work of art.
I thought you said you never made the 5 to 6 mpg statement. Ooops, you`ve done it again. Now we know why her name is BRITney Spears.
Someone from your country talking about silly hats is kind of ironic, but mostly hilarious. :)
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Originally posted by Jackal1
I can see why redneck bars would be a no-no for you. Usualy in a bar fight it is man against man, not man against a woman, but on the other hand a good Texican female could take ya in a heartbeat I suspect.
Haven`t had grits in a while, but I`ll take em over tea and crumpets anyday. Never could abide by the extended pinky thing you prissy Brits are so fond of. :)
That`s Geetars hoss. I prefer electric, but a good steel in the right hands is a pure work of art.
I thought you said you never made the 5 to 6 mpg statement. Ooops, you`ve done it again. Now we know why her name is BRITney Spears.
Someone from your country talking about silly hats is kind of ironic, but mostly hilarious. :)
Rofl!
Hell no real man can stand a dude that abuses women or children.
:D :D
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rshurbert, now list the countries that play organised cricket seriously. If you can, of course. Then, because things should be judged correctly...let's compare populations, or perhaps square milage.
But don't think Indonesia won't be included as a cricket playing country....and please correct "Korea"....that should read "SOuth Korea".
:D :aok
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Originally posted by Jackal1
I thought you said you never made the 5 to 6 mpg statement.
That's right, I never did - until here. Thought it would make you feel at home, as it's something else you won't find here! Yeah we've got some silly hats here, but unlike where you live, no-one feels the need to wear a 10 gallon hat on a 2 pint head.
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Curval! Are you following England v Pakistan at Lahore? I've just looked at the scoreboard. :( Pakistan put on a massive 638-8 declared after England's 288. England already 5-1 at C.O.P. We'll never make it.
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You have been propagandized into believing that the solution to a problem is to make a new law about it. That crime is prevented by laws. Nothing could be further from the truth.
It's the other way around. You have been propagandized into believing that guns are the solution to everything when in fact they only create more trouble. More accidental deaths, easyer access to leathal weapons in case of domestic disputes etc etc. Having a huge number of guns means that more criminals will be also armed with them - partly because they expect to meet armed resistance. Back here it's a major news if an armed robbery happens somewhere.
Having laws works back here. If I see a loose dog I report it and the officials take care of the business for me. I don't need to go around swinging my gun and get shot by another loonie swinging his.
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Originally posted by Curval
rshurbert, now list the countries that play organised cricket seriously. If you can, of course. Then, because things should be judged correctly...let's compare populations, or perhaps square milage.
But don't think Indonesia won't be included as a cricket playing country....and please correct "Korea"....that should read "SOuth Korea".
:D :aok
The following countries are members of he International Baseball Federation.
American Samoa
Argentina
Armenia
Aruba
Australia
Austria
Bahamas
Belarus
Belgium
Bolivia
Brazil
British Virgin Islands
Brunei
Bulgaria
Cameroon
Canada
Chile
China
Colombia
Cook Islands
Costa Rica
Croatia
Cuba
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Rep.Dominican
Ecuador
El Salvador
España
Estonia
Fiji Islands
Finland
France
Georgia
Germany
Ghana
Greece
Great Britain
Guam
Guatemala
Honduras
Hong Kong
Hungary
India
Indonesia
Iran
Ireland
Israel
Italia
Ivory Coast
Jamaica
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Korea, D.P.R.
South Korea
Lesotho
Liberia
Lithuania
Malaysia
Mali
Malta
Mexico
Micronesia
Moldova
Mongolia
Morocco
Myanmar
Namibia
Netherland Antilles
Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Nigeria
Norway
Pakistan
Palau
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Perú
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Puerto Rico
Romania
Russia
San Marino
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Switzerland
Chinese Taipei
Thailand
Togo
Tunisia
Turkey
Uganda
USA
U.S. Virgin Islands
Ukraine
Uzbekistan
Venezuela
Western Samoa
Yugoslavia
Zambia
Zimbabwe
I would think that the list of Cricket playing countries could not be much more extensive.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
The following countries are members of he International Baseball Federation.
American Samoa
Argentina
Armenia
Aruba
Australia
Austria
Bahamas
Belarus
Belgium
Bolivia
Brazil
British Virgin Islands
Brunei
Bulgaria
Cameroon
Canada
Chile
China
Colombia
Cook Islands
Costa Rica
Croatia
Cuba
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Rep.Dominican
Ecuador
El Salvador
España
Estonia
Fiji Islands
Finland
France
Georgia
Germany
Ghana
Greece
Great Britain
Guam
Guatemala
Honduras
Hong Kong
Hungary
India
Indonesia
Iran
Ireland
Israel
Italia
Ivory Coast
Jamaica
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Korea, D.P.R.
South Korea
Lesotho
Liberia
Lithuania
Malaysia
Mali
Malta
Mexico
Micronesia
Moldova
Mongolia
Morocco
Myanmar
Namibia
Netherland Antilles
Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Nigeria
Norway
Pakistan
Palau
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Perú
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Puerto Rico
Romania
Russia
San Marino
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Switzerland
Chinese Taipei
Thailand
Togo
Tunisia
Turkey
Uganda
USA
U.S. Virgin Islands
Ukraine
Uzbekistan
Venezuela
Western Samoa
Yugoslavia
Zambia
Zimbabwe
I would think that the list of Cricket playing countries could not be much more extensive.
So why aren't they in the "World" Series?
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Originally posted by beet1e
That's right, I never did - until here. Thought it would make you feel at home, as it's something else you won't find here! Yeah we've got some silly hats here, but unlike where you live, no-one feels the need to wear a 10 gallon hat on a 2 pint head.
Now we start the denial thing again. It`s a set routine when you trip over your own feet. Oh bud, I feel right at home here in Texas. American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. :)
Yea I agree on the hat thing in your case. It`s just the opposite. A ten gallon head (mostly empty space) with a 2 pint hat.
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Im confused.....:rolleyes: I thought only 2 things came out of Texas?
Theres steers and theres....................
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spock... you can outshoot me? maybe... but I doubt it... what gives you this special knowlege of my shooting ability? I shoot with our police and swat and pretty much outshoot all of them... are you a better shot than American police?
But... if you are such a good shot... you must shoot a lot.. I have shot since I was 7 or 8 and have in some years shot several thousand rounds a month for years... I still manage to shoot a thousand rounds a month most of the time... I shoot with people from all walks of life here from dentists to mechanics to housewives.... I don't fear my neighbors like you do.
Soo... how did you get so good? you feel it is ok for you to shoot thousands of rounds a month but to deny it to your countrymen?
And... when do I "wave the flag around"? I simply think that you are dangerously insane... How do you walk the streets or drive if you live in such fear of your fellow man and his dangerous homicidal tendencies? I mean... if you can't trust him to not go insane and shoot you how can trust him to not jump the curb (kerb) and run you down? Not cross the line in oncoming traffic... certainly the chance of dying in such a case would be more than that of being shot with a handgun.
as for the dog... I hope he does come back... I'll put another round in him...
I really can't believe that some of the aussies here aren't offended by your pompous brit attitude toward them and telling you to go home.
in any case... better you stay there than come here and get a chance to vote.
lazs
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Oh... and I allways liked Texas... nice folk round there.
lazs
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Originally posted by scspook
Im confused.....:rolleyes:
No kidding? We would never have guessed. :)
I thought only 2 things came out of Texas?
The steers would probably be too frightening for you if you are so afraid of people as you claim.
The other you can forget. No love connection for ya in Texas.
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jackal...you got to realize that he is a brit and his sense of humor runs to fart joke... to him, the steers and queers thing is uproariusly funny and..... current.
lazs
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Originally posted by beet1e
So why aren't they in the "World" Series?
Well, just by memory, the USA, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Japan, S Korea and probably a dozen more countries have all been represented in the World Series.
But to answer your question more fully, baseball has been trying to figure out how to do a world cup of baseball without screwing up the schedule of the regular summer season.
When the world series started in 1903 (close if not the exact year) it was to bring two competing leagues together and baseball had not spread worldwide as yet. (although Cuba an DR had leagues IIRC)
The World Cup of Football started in what the 50's? Transportation and logistics were much more streamlined and football was much more widespread when that was begun.
By the by, who won the last Olympic Cricket match?
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Well, just by memory, the USA, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Japan, S Korea and probably a dozen more countries have all been represented in the World Series.
Err..individually maybe...but not by "professional" teams.
But to answer your question more fully, baseball has been trying to figure out how to do a world cup of baseball without screwing up the schedule of the regular summer season.
Actually, according to the International BAseball Federation web site (http://www.baseball.ch/) the 36th Baseball World Cup (http://www.baseball.ch/36/schedule.html) was played in Holland this year.
Somehow, and I have no idea why, everyone kinda missed it.
When the world series started in 1903 (close if not the exact year) it was to bring two competing leagues together and baseball had not spread worldwide as yet. (although Cuba an DR had leagues IIRC)
So? All the more reason to call it a North American Series.
The World Cup of Football started in what the 50's? Transportation and logistics were much more streamlined and football was much more widespread when that was begun.
Transportion has come a long way. Logically this would make a truely "World" Series of baseball easier to accomplish, particularly given the myriad of countries that play professional baseball that you have pointed out. But it doesn't.
There are six leagues vying for the MLB "World Series". The teams that play in those leagues are the only one even eligible to compete for it, right? ALL of those teams are American teams, with the exception of Toronto.
And you are arguing that it is infact representative of a "World Series"?
Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright.
By the by, who won the last Olympic Cricket match? [/QUOTE]
I don't know. I'm always busy watching the sychronised swimming events.
Who won the last baseball gold?.................anyone? I have absolutely no idea. lol
:rofl
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Cricket is not an Olympic sport even though London has held the games several times and will host again in 2012. Sydney and Melbourne also had the opportunity to bring Cricket to the Olympics as at least as a demonstration sport.
I was referring to Yankees, Giants, Orioles, and Red Sox playing in the world cup to bring it more on par with the FIFA world cup, ie the best players in the world playing for their respective countries. But you knew that.
In case you didn't realize the jist of my explanation, the reason that it is the "World Series" is because of legacy or if you like better tradition. In 1903 the leagues in the Series could arguably be considered the best in the world.
The World Wife Carrying Championships is held in Finland or Sweden somewhere, even though I'd bet somebody in Zimbabwe could compete and win. But they still call them "world"