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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Fury on September 27, 2001, 08:01:00 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/26/ret.attacks.jackson.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/26/ret.attacks.jackson.ap/index.html)
. WASHINGTON (AP) -- Jesse Jackson said Wednesday that Afghanistan's ruling Taliban militia has asked him to lead a "peace delegation" to the region.
Good Luck at succeeding where others cannot Mr. Jackson.
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Hello....
I think its only a trick to gain time...
Also I would see it as showing weakness...
And, also on CNN is a quick poll and over 70% of poeple vote against this visit....
If your child play with the fire and you do not show him its wrong it would torch your house some day..... :D
Andreas (JV44)
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At least they couldn't use him as a hostage...
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heard that they are now saying they didn't call him but that JJ called them .. problem with known liars, you just don't know who to believe :)
I say wait til he gets there, then attack. Maybe we can kill two birds with one stone...
[ 09-27-2001: Message edited by: Eagler ]
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LOL Eagler! I am with you on this one. Evertime there is something negative going on, and getting a lot of press, good ole JJ comes to the rescue.
Pathetic.
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Maybe they will execute him as a spy.
Well; we can hope....
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True lets send him say as a gift to the islamic peoples.
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"When things get messy, call on Jessie!"
:p
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yea ole Jessy just attempted to vault himself into the midst of this thing, he couldn't stand it.
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"I say wait til he gets there, then attack. Maybe we can kill two birds with one stone..."
"Maybe they will execute him as a spy."
As the victims of September 11, 2001 all roll over in their graves ... God Bless America!
Granted you hate the man, but to publicly wish him killed after what happened in New York and Washington DC ... I find that reprehensible.
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Originally posted by buhdman:
[QBGranted you hate the man, but to publicly wish him killed after what happened in New York and Washington DC ... I find that reprehensible.[/QB]
I agree with you Buhdman...
I would much rather they keep him alive so he can be repeatedly shafted by the biggest camel they got there!
-SW
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Why am I getting this image of Clevon Little holding a gun to his own head, and saying "Back off or I'll shoot him"
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Joking about the torture and murder of an American civilian. Wow. And some of you were going on about how American's should stick together just days ago. You people are pathetic.
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Using every chance you can get to insult Americans, eh Thrawn?
Humor, it's something people do a lot of times to get them through rough times.
Besides, we aren't joking about killing a baby.. it's Jesse Jackson. His ego is so big he believes he can solve the world's problems. He should of left this one alone, it's something he has no concept of and is merely doing this for a better reputation. "Look at me, I stopped World War III and created World Peace!" Ain't gonna happen.
-SW
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double post
[ 09-28-2001: Message edited by: Thrawn ]
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No, you illiterate moron. Try reading my post again. There have been Amerericans that have been shining examples of nobility, strength and tolerance throughout this crises. Then there have been one like you. Stupid mofo's that do nothing but spew BS.
And if I was insulting them, I imagnie thats better then wanting them dead.
Dolt.
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creamo, Your just weird. :)
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Thrawn, budhman
if I thought there was a chance in hell we'd kill ole jj, I'd never be posting such a thought...
it's called humor. I don't wish them dead, just wished they'd mind their own bizness, get a life of their own and contribute in a meaningful way to society and "their" ppl. Stop being vampires of the ignorant...
Both are so full of themselves they smell .. rotten.
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Think about it, the Talibans are no dummies:
They know Jesse stands for social turmoil in the U.S. and can be used as a tool to divide our nation back into the partisan politics we all know and love (ya,right). They see us as lazy, threatened, peaceniks that will succumb to political pressure. What better way to prevent war than to get Jesse involved, sending him home to tell the US that 'these are peace loving people that do not want to fight the US...we must use diplomatic relations to resolve this conflict..."....you just KNOW that's whats going to come of it...
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Originally posted by Thrawn:
No, you illiterate moron. Try reading my post again. There have been Amerericans that have been shining examples of nobility, strength and tolerance throughout this crises. Then there have been one like you. Stupid mofo's that do nothing but spew BS.
And if I was insulting them, I imagnie thats better then wanting them dead.
Dolt.
Illiterate, huh? Atleast I can spell. Words like crisis, imagine and Americans.
I never said I wanted anyone dead.
Tolerance? I've been here from day 1 stating that there is a difference between middle eastern people and terrorists, it's in the way they think. If you want tolerance, I've got it.
Nobility? I went to give blood, they turned me down because I have "toxins" in my blood from taking prescription drugs.
Strength? I went to work, in DC, the day after the attack. I carried on with my life as normal, and this did not impact on me.
You, however, can continue to feel free to sit on the sidelines and be a diptoejam. Atleast you're good at that.
salamander.
-SW
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Originally posted by Eagler:
Thrawn, budhman
if I thought there was a chance in hell we'd kill ole jj, I'd never be posting such a thought...
it's called humor. I don't wish them dead, just wished they'd mind their own bizness, get a life of their own and contribute in a meaningful way to society and "their" ppl. Stop being vampires of the ignorant...
Both are so full of themselves they smell .. rotten.
Speaking strictly for myself, I find no humor in wishing someone dead or killed, nor do I find any humor in the dehuminization/demonization of other people that occurs in the posts on this board on a daily basis.
In the aftermath of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, I was hoping that we Americans would wake up to our own arrogance and self-righteousness and find a better way to treat each other and the world, but I guess that was just another naive pipe-dream.
I apologize for coming across like some kind of "morality cop". It's just my over zealous desire to make some kind of difference in the world. When I read some of the things people post on these boards, I get hooked into responding with something "profound", when in reality, the only profound thing I have to offer is the profound desire to see people find a better way to live. I realize, now, that may not be enough and I realize that the people on this forum, with a few notable exceptions, are not inclined in this direction.
So, since reading this board brings me down, more often than not, I've decided to stay out of it.
May we all find and maintain well-being in ourselves.
Buhdman, out
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Buhdman, fact of the matter is, that if it came down to it... no matter what each of us says to each other, in real life we'd more than likely save each other's life without giving it a second thought.
How's that old quote go? "I may not like what you say, but I'd give my life for your right to say it."
-SW
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Maybe Jesse can go over there and confuse them with some jibberish that rhymes. :D
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Like the liberation of the population from governmentation bent on ruling a nation under an ironfistation that would make sanitization a good proclamation?
I made up a few words... ;)
-SW
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Like the liberation of the population from governmentation bent on ruling a nation under an ironfistation that would make sanitization a good proclamation?
I made up a few words... ;)
-SW
Exactly Swulfe! To keep them from committing any more injustitudes on any more inocent dudes. So they can log on the internet and look at big fat boobs :)
U
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Lol Nate. :)
Appearantly, it works though.
"In 1999, Jackson met with then-Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic to discuss the release of three captured U.S. soldiers. They were freed days later. He also secured the release of captured Navy Lt. Robert Goodman from Syria in 1984 as well as the release of 48 Cuban and Cuban-American prisoners in 1987. He was the first American to bring hostages out of Kuwait and Iraq in 1990."
I'm definitely not pro-Jackson by any means, but I wanted to post his accomplishments to at least balance some of the bashing. That being said though... I think it's a baaaaaaad idea for him to get involved in this.
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Jesse Jackson is brough in in "face saving" situations for countries that don't want to appear to pander to US wishes, but know that killing hostages would not bode well for their chances of survival. In comes Jesse and talkes them into releasing the hostages.
He's a tool used to deface the United States. A service he is all too happy to provide.
This time, it should not be a consideration. Right and Wrong do not need to be explained in this situation. Its a time to act and not a time to talk. Even Jesse <to his credit> seems to understand that.
This is not about getting Osama Bin Laden out of Afghanistan... its about shutting down terrorism. If camps such as his are allowed to survive and terrorism is nationally sponsered, then all his efforts woud have been for nothing.
No negotiations. End it now or prepare for the consequences.
AKDejaVu
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Forget "end it now".
Starting in November, the weather pretty much will prevent ground ops.
Let time take its course. There's lots of other ways to have an effect right now.
Reports say the "common man" is starving. We've got food out the ying-yang. There's an opportunity right there...done right. That's not the only one either.
No need for our guns .. yet... if they're going to self-destruct anyway.
Yet, because the time will come when we are going to have to define our determination in terms OBL's crowd innately understands.
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Originally posted by Toad:
No need for our guns .. yet... if they're going to self-destruct anyway.
Until Saddam Insane decides to step in anyway...
-SW
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Well,..seems most people are looking at all this with the perspective of how we interact. I saw part of a documentary this morning that was an interview with a captured Taliban person. Went something like this (for the sake of my fingers I = Interviwer and R = Respondent);
I: If you were not captured, how would this interview be different?
R: I would kill you.
(In the background are a number of other captured Talibans and they are laughing at this)
I: Why?
R: Because you are American.
I: Do you feel that way about others?
R: No, it is our religious duty.
I: What about children?
R: If they are American and we are commanded by our holy leaders, then they shall die.
I: So age is not an issue,.you just have to be American?
R: Yes.
I: Would you strap a bomb to yourself and walk into a classroom of 5 year old Americans and detonate it?
R: Yes. This is our way. Americans are the great satan of this world. We will not know peace until you are all dead.
I: And you teach your children this?
R: Yes, as my father taught me.
(Again, the backgound Talibans are cheering and laughing)
At this point the reviewer states, "That is a bit of a show stopper, I really cannot think of a way to respond to that".
This was a freelance gentleman, who recorded this over a year ago. No one was interested in the documentary until the the recent events unfolded.
My point being, you cannot sit back and look at this situation from the perspective you may have been raised with. To win this, we have to first understand the enemy. In this documentary it is quite apparent they have every intention of killing Americans in any way they can, even by killing themselves in the process. Thier children are being taught this from day one.
we, in most of the free world, see killing children as intolerable, yet these children of the Taliban will grow up to be the next mass killers.
Our ethics and morality will get in our way of doing the most unthinkable thing that must be done.
This will be our downfall. I see the very symptoms of it on this board already.
Am I proposing genocide? No, I am not proposing anything, but to take a look inside and see if you have the stomach for what must be done.
Some would say, "By killing them in this manner, you lower yourself to thier level". Well, guess what? If we do not get to thier level they will kill us.
No matter what I say, or what others say, there is a task at hand. One that is not going to be pretty. One that is not going to be done for years. All we need to know is, can we do it? Can we commit to what may be the bloodiest, ugliest war ever fought on this planet?
It may not be as bad as I make it sound, but that is the question to be answered.
My vote? Go for it.
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Posted this in another thread:
A fresh perspective of things back then. Please read it. http://www.twomorrows.com/kirby/articles/27ww2.html (http://www.twomorrows.com/kirby/articles/27ww2.html)
He ends his story with this note, somewhat relevant to current events:
"It was a whole nutty affair. War itself is a nutty affair, but somehow I think it may get worse. Look at Russia and Afghanistan. The Russians are a great big power and she goes down over Afghanistan and kicks the sh*t out of their people, but then she runs like hell. Why? The Afghanis have one thing that the Russians haven’t got—they like to die. That is part of their religion and they are very religious. The Russians had never run up against that and I can tell you that the war in Europe would have been very different if the Germans were like that. A guy from another culture wouldn’t know what to do. The Russians didn’t know what to do. I mean, what do you do when you fight an enemy who has a martyr complex? I myself, as a General, if I came up against a culture that was completely different than my own, I would investigate it thoroughly. I don’t believe that the Russians were that thorough with the Afghani and this was their fatal mistake.
They assumed they just were peasant people and they could just mow over them with their high technology. The Afghani had some technology and I imagine that plenty of them got killed by what the Russians threw at them, but they held their line and they held the Russians back. There were plenty of dead soldiers around—thousands—and it was these farmers and peasants who were doing most of the damage.
Soon, even our technology will not protect us. Our opponents will have a different mind and we will find it very difficult to understand them. The Russians are very much like us and our soldiers have a lot in common. Can either army afford the odds of losing thousands and thousands on a war? We will have to find another way to settle our differences. It is in that way that I would say that war is senseless."
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I find these "should we do it" posts Baffling. When someone is beating the toejam out of you, the fight has already started. Its time to start swinging back.
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Originally posted by easymo:
I find these "should we do it" posts Baffling. When someone is beating the toejam out of you, the fight has already started. Its time to start swinging back.
Yep, but it cuts both ways, don't ASSume the following comments to be unpatriotic, it's just some food for thought. ;)
Now that the hysteria has died down a bit how many of you guys have attempted to look at the US from the Arabs/Muslims point of view?
We support corrupt governments in the Middle East, we supply arms to whoever we view as the 'lesser' evil in internal conflicts, we give Israel massive economic and military suppport which they use to keep the Palistinians down.
It's easy to see why some of them hate and attack us, keep an animal penned up, starve it, treat it with cruelty and more than likely the damn thing will bite the toejam out of you if it gets the opportunity.
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Buhdman, I agree absolutely.
Weazel, those are very good points, and very true. This assumption that the terrorists hate Americans "because we are free" or other such nonsense is complete BS. It's a matter of our crimes against them. And to say that we haven't done anything that could be seen as a crime is a lie, pure and simple. Not to put this nation down, we often do good things - but this "they are savages with no reasonable cause for hate..." disgusts me. It smacks of this country's typical and historical arrogance.
Did bin Laden stand up one day and say "I hate freedom! Let's hit the US!"?
I don't think so...
:rolleyes:
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Would Israel even exist without the support in arms and money given from the US?
How long after the 1947 UN partition would they have lasted? 1948-49, 1956, 1967, 1973-74,... would Israel have survived them all standing alone?
Now I'm not a large fan of Israel by any means... but clearly they'd have long since been wiped out... subjected to genocide once again.. had we not supported them.
So, that is our crime?
:rolleyes:
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the peace niks have already started ... amazing
maybe they need to visit downtown Manhattan..talk to the 10's of thousands who are left behind by the +6000 victims, INNOCENT victims.
we can talk peace as soon as we wipe about +6000 of the responsible parties off the face of the earth..
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Osama hates the USA because we helped Saudi Arabia repulse the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in the Gulf War. He saw the US troops who helped save his country as infidel invaders of the holies Islamic land, where Mecca and Medina are.
Anyway Im really pissed off at the "Islamic" leadership ,if such a thing exists, for not condeming this stuff. Are there any influential Muslem clerics who oppose this? Or are they all lunatics who think like terrorists. Why don't they speak out?
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Anyway Im really pissed off at the "Islamic" leadership ,if such a thing exists, for not condeming this stuff.
Ummmm... you ever wonder why he was exiled from Saudi Arabia? Islamic leadership has condemned him... just not the doorknobs in charge of Afghanistan.
AKDejaVu
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The Talibans kill adulterers.
Send him.
And Toad: well said!
[ 09-30-2001: Message edited by: StSanta ]