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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: fartwinkle on November 28, 2005, 05:12:32 PM
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Looking at a 525 can you tell me anything about this car?
50k is alot of coin but I know BMW has a good rep.
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What are you hoping that a $50,000 car will do for you beyond what a $20,000 car would do?
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eskimo drive a 50k BMW to know it ;)
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Overpriced ****boxes.
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Underpowered ****boxes.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
What are you hoping that a $50,000 car will do for you beyond what a $20,000 car would do?
Well go drive a BMW then drive a $20.000 dollar car then you tell me.
But tops on my list would be for the thing to last more than three years.
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You can get a helluva good deal on a 99-2003. Thats your best price catagory with relatively low milege.
The 525 isn't a fast car, but it corners very nicely and is a nice highway cruiser. You'll get a min. of 250,000 out of the engine before it starts giving you any problems. The 1992 525 that I drove in 2000 is the model that convinced me that BMW is a great car and people buy them for something other than a status symbol. This particular 525 had 190,000 miles on it with no previous mechanical difficulty other than normal wear and tear items such as brakes, rotors, etc. It drove "tight" enough to shock me when I realized it had a ton of miles. Prior to looking at the odometer, it felt like it had no more than 50k on it...
You can't go wrong with that straight-6 M54 block, its been around longer than the "BMW is crap" whines. ;)
If you're looking for newer, consider a Pre-certified. They'll have a warranty up to 100,000 miles from the dealer if its 3 years or newer.
Parts will cost you 20% more. Dealer work on them cost about $1/hour more than Ford does here ($79/hour at Ford dealership, $80/hour for BMW dealership)
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If you were really serious about buying a BMW, you'd carpet your garage and post pictures.
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I am driving my second BMW and I'll never go back to the UAW made vehicles... My first BMW which i am still using has 330K+ miles on it. Take care of it and it will take care of you. BTW the only repair i have made to the older BMW is brakes, 1 alternator and a U-Joint.
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Originally posted by SOB
If you were really serious about buying a BMW, you'd carpet your garage and post pictures.
(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/icon9.gif)Heated / under cover / carpeted Garage kept. (http://www.roadfly.com/bmw/classifieds/cars/detview.php?prevnextbuttons=allf&scat=&searchstring=&sortby=&dir=&view=34023)
(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/icon9.gif)Custom Built Brick 3/2 on corner 1/2 acre lot, fireplace, Island Kitchen, sunkin LR with skylights,
lots of storage, carpeted garage, hepa-filter, 10 X 20 storage shed, fenced back yard. (http://www.artmakers.com/anysaver/anyboard/messages/15.html)
(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/icon9.gif)Unsurpassed quality in this absolutely stunning 6100 square foot 1 story on .37 acres featureing 5 full, oversized suites and a 4 car carpeted garage. (http://www.lasvegasrelocating.com/agents/details.asp?CustID=admin&Inventory_ID=50330&Type=)
(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/icon9.gif)The walls of the fully carpeted garage were covered with photos, pictures and newspaper cuttings of Matt’s previous cars. (http://www.mr2mk1club.com/SevernNews.html)
(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/icon9.gif)With an 8FT American Slate Bed Pool Table and Full size Fussball Table Soccer game in the carpeted garage. (http://www.villas2000.com/frbvo/homes/2912.php)
(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/icon9.gif) a two-car carpeted garage and oriental rugs are just a few additional amenities of the home. (http://tools.resortquest.com/evpaspen/propertydetail.cfm?PropertyGroupID=36284)
:aok
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Originally posted by crowMAW
Underpowered ****boxes.
very underpowered.
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I don't believe people who are buying a 525i (2.5 liter) are looking for power. After all, its only 215 hp but yields 29 mpg. (shrugs) If you want performance, you go to the 540i.
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Might have her talked into the 550 with the V-8 360hp now someone please tell me thats underpowerd.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Might have her talked into the 550 with the V-8 360hp now someone please tell me thats underpowerd.
If you talked her into the 550, go for it all and try to talk her into the M5! :)
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/0411_bmw_m5/
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Might have her talked into the 550 with the V-8 360hp now someone please tell me thats underpowerd.
Ahh, you might be able to hang out in the left lane with that.................for a little while at least.
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LMAO my 6-cyl will stay with anything on the open road
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
LMAO my 6-cyl will stay with anything on the open road
:rofl
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Forget BMWs ;)
Get LEXUS (TM) IS-350
Price: ~ $35,000
Power: V-6 engine. 305 hp @ 6400 RPM, 277 torque lb/ft @ 4800 RPM
Performance: 0-60mph @ 5.6 secs
Fuel Efficiency: 21 city, 28 highway
(http://www.fast-autos.net/lexus/is350.jpg)
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
LMAO my 6-cyl will stay with anything on the open road
So will mine
Cummens 5.9 TDI
325 hp / 600 lb.ft. Tq. Stock
450 hp / 880 lb. ft. Tq. with box on lev. 6
(Torque rating is at 1600 RPM)
Weighs 8000 lbs
Will tow 15000 + lbs.
gets 15mpg city 21 hwy (if I keep it at 75 mph)
and has 4 Wheel Drive and 4 speed auto
"That thing got a Hemi??" ....nope just a stright 6
Fun to tease folks who think only cars can go fast
:D
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Originally posted by 1K3
Forget BMWs ;)
Get LEXUS (TM) IS-350
Price: ~ $35,000
Power: V-6 engine. 305 hp @ 6400 RPM, 277 torque lb/ft @ 4800 RPM
Performance: 0-60mph @ 5.6 secs
Fuel Efficiency: 21 city, 28 highway
(http://www.fast-autos.net/lexus/is350.jpg)
Too much money for a toyota.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Might have her talked into the 550 with the V-8 360hp now someone please tell me thats underpowerd.
thats underpowerd
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I bought a '98 323i Convertable. It's a hell of a lot of fun, though it's certainly no hot-rod. It's more than enough car to get me into trouble.
-Sik
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Originally posted by 1K3
Forget BMWs ;)
Get LEXUS (TM) IS-350
Price: ~ $35,000
Power: V-6 engine. 305 hp @ 6400 RPM, 277 torque lb/ft @ 4800 RPM
Performance: 0-60mph @ 5.6 secs
Fuel Efficiency: 21 city, 28 highway
(http://www.fast-autos.net/lexus/is350.jpg)
That car is so sweet I want to crap my pants.
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Here might be a decent BMW...
(http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/235-17397-377695-12569/m6%20pickup.jpg)
It might carry some drywall.
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If it has to be a beemer, I think I like Hblair's choice (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=160885) best.
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Originally posted by Scootter
So will mine
Cummens 5.9 TDI
325 hp / 600 lb.ft. Tq. Stock
450 hp / 880 lb. ft. Tq. with box on lev. 6
(Torque rating is at 1600 RPM)
Weighs 8000 lbs
Will tow 15000 + lbs.
gets 15mpg city 21 hwy (if I keep it at 75 mph)
and has 4 Wheel Drive and 4 speed auto
"That thing got a Hemi??" ....nope just a stright 6
Fun to tease folks who think only cars can go fast
:D
Now we're are talking.
If you are worried about gas mileage you could get one of these.
A Diesel (http://www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/driving-impressions-2005/A/audi-a8-32fsi-42tdi/a8s.html)
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I drive a 99 528i, not that it means anything to this...but its a great and reliable car, it was 39grand base in 99. And new BMW designs make me cry :(
and I can get it to 60 mph in 6 seconds.
not sure on my HP, pretty sure its a 3.0 liter v6 though.
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Originally posted by FuBaR
I drive a 99 528i, not that it means anything to this...but its a great and reliable car, it was 39grand base in 99. And new BMW designs make me cry :(
and I can get it to 60 mph in 6 seconds.
not sure on my HP, pretty sure its a 3.0 liter v6 though.
193 HP. And I agree about the new designs BMW is putting out...:furious however if you can overlook stlye for reliability and mid to high range-performance, then looks are an after thought.
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I got the IS-250, instead of the 350, just for the gas mileage (24/32). My go-fast days are behind me, but I wanted excellent braking and handling and the IS does that very well. For a 3700 pound car it feels very nimble.
I looked the the BMW330 first, but the IS won in the end due to the interior more than anything else. And I preferred the handling of the IS versus the BMW. Both cars feel like they are carved out of a brick. Very solid.
And the "start" engine button in the IS, is just flat out sexy. The only option I went for are the 18 inch wheels.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I got the IS-250, instead of the 350, just for the gas mileage (24/32). My go-fast days are behind me, but I wanted excellent braking and handling and the IS does that very well. For a 3700 pound car it feels very nimble.
I looked the the BMW330 first, but the IS won in the end due to the interior more than anything else. And I preferred the handling of the IS versus the BMW. Both cars feel like they are carved out of a brick. Very solid.
And the "start" engine button in the IS, is just flat out sexy. The only option I went for are the 18 inich wheels.
I've not drove a Lexus since test driving various brands of cars in 2000, but IMO the Lexus model I drove in 2000 (GS 300) didn't even come close to the corner handling that BMW 3 series had. Maybe they're caught up? Dunno. I'd never say a bad thing about Lexus overall, extremely good quality, extremely reliable.
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I would not have considered a Lexus, but the Wife told me they had a new sports sedan out and talked me into it. It handles way better than I would have imagined. Probably a bit too stiff for most people. You really have to want a sports sedan to like the IS.
I drove both the 350 and 250. The 250 is about 125 pounds lighter on the nose and you can feel it. Initial turn-in on the 350 is a twitch slower than the 250. The cars settle in on the line very well. The high speed handling makes you giggle it feels so good.
First time I ever test drove a new car and got our wearing a very large grin.
I took it on a 700 mile road trip a couple of weeks ago and had a blast driving the car.
Lexus hit the mark on this one. I would say it is thier first true sports sedan. I never considered the GS or ES to be sports sedans at all.
I really wanted the Infiniti G35 coupe, but I am too tall to fit in it. Kind of glad I did not fit in it now. I almost bought the BMW, and would have if the Wife had not urged me to try the Lexus. I really do not think you can go wrong with either the Lexus IS250/350 or the BMW330, if you are looking for something in that class.
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So did Skuzzy just say that his wife influenced his sports car choice?!?!?:eek: :p
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My Wife likes sports cars, so I listen to her. After she got me to the Lexus dealer, she did not say a word. Kind of wierd actually.
After we closed on the car, she finally said, "It really looks like you.". She has not driven it yet, so she has not made any comments about it other than on the looks.
I am still getting used to the high beltline. I like the nose, and the tail of the car. But I really am just nuts about the interior. Like BMW, it's all business on the inside. Lexus made good use of polished and brushed aluminum. Not glitzy at all. Very well done and clean.
The paddle shifters are CNC pieces of aircraft grade aluminum. Very stout. One oddity being the cruise control. It is a stalk which is mounted to the steering column and turns with the steering wheel (just under the right paddle shifter). Took a bit of getting used to, but now it feels very natural.
You can shift with the paddles or the shifter on the console, or you can let it do all the work for you. Think standard transmission with an automatic clutch. It has 3 driving modes. Sport, Normal, and Snow.
"Sport" chirps the tires when at full throttle during the upshifts and locks up fast during downshifts. You have absolute control of the gears.
"Normal" almost feels like a full automatic transmission. Hard to tell it is shifting unless you have your foot deep into the carpet. In this mode the transmission will not shift into or out of a gear which could cause an overrev or lugging of the engine.
"Snow" takes throttle control away from you whenever the rear tires break loose. Applies brakes if needed, to keep the rear tires from slipping.
I do not know about the "Snow" mode, but the other two work as advertised. :D
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
After we closed on the car, she finally said, "It really looks like you.".
Oh now come on! That car isn't THAT ugly, Skuzzy! :p
The paddle shift system is something BMW has had in their M3 for about 3 years, I've heard pros and cons but mostly pros to it. If you're going to go automatic, paddle shift is a must IMO. Personally I'm a gear shift kinda guy when it comes to sports cars but I've not tried the paddle shift so I'll hold my opinion.
Sounds like alot of fun Skuzzy.
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Hehe. I did leave the door open for that one.
The paddle shifters are really only useful if you never have to take your hands from the wheel (i.e. you ain't turning a lot). I use the console shifter more than the paddles. If I need to keep both hands on the wheel, then I use the paddles.
Regardless of the way you shift, it all becomes automatic to you after a bit.
Heck, if I could have afforded an M3, I would be driving one in a heartbeat. It is a hefty jump from $30K for the IS to the M3.
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I went into a Lexus dealer and after standing around for 30mins with noone asking if I needed help I left.
The Is350 i speced out on there website was 40K.
I am now thinking of a Cadillac CTS-V with the 400hp vette motor in it 0-60 in under 5 seconds and still rides well.
Only one big problem 51K sticker now thats gonna be a hard sell to the wife.
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You must have put the GPS system in. The base for the 350 is around $34K. I think the GPS nav system adds $2,500 or so. Did you spec the Harmon stereo too (another $1200). There aren't many options to be had on the IS cars.
The Lexus dealership I bought from was really a very nice place and the sales person was not intrusive at all. They had 2 IS's (a 250 and 350) and neither was for sale. They used them for test drives as they could not keep the IS's on the lot.
The styling of the Cadillac is not my cup of tea so I never considered one. I also have a hard time even considering an American made car anymore, but that is just me.
I keep my cars 10 years before getting a new one. Longevity is important to me and cost of ownership is also important. Everything I read still puts cost of ownership of American cars too high for my use.
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Yeah I think the Mark Levinson audio at 4k put it over the top:confused:
The wife had a lexus sc300 when we met and it was a cool car but at 6'4" i had
to lean my head over when I drove it.
I think I might run into the same problem with the Is 350 I think it has 37" of head room and I need 39.
I hate car shopping and would rather just buy a F-250 crew cab diesel pick up
and drive it till I die but it is her choice this time so I gotta go with the flow.
I did tell her to go by park place lexus and check one out cause truth be told I do like the sound of the paddle shifters:)
Lexus is a good car but like all cars the resale isnt as high as I would like to see
Wish we could afford a Porsche as there new Cayman is a sweet car.
Skuzzy If I remember you are pretty tall too right?
How is the fit ?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Oh now come on! That car isn't THAT ugly, Skuzzy! :p
The paddle shift system is something BMW has had in their M3 for about 3 years, I've heard pros and cons but mostly pros to it. If you're going to go automatic, paddle shift is a must IMO. Personally I'm a gear shift kinda guy when it comes to sports cars but I've not tried the paddle shift so I'll hold my opinion.
Sounds like alot of fun Skuzzy.
The SMG uses a sequential manual box with automated shifting and clutch. The Lexus just has a normal automatic slushbox with the ability to select gears via the paddles. The only Toyota with something like SMG was the MR2 Spyder.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
The SMG uses a sequential manual box with automated shifting and clutch. The Lexus just has a normal automatic slushbox with the ability to select gears via the paddles. The only Toyota with something like SMG was the MR2 Spyder.
Ah, thanks for clarifying that!
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If you go BMW go M5 or go Audi RSsomething ... RS6-RS4:confused:
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
If you go BMW go M5 or go Audi RSsomething ... RS6-RS4:confused:
Yup, thats what I would go with. The new RS4.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Skuzzy If I remember you are pretty tall too right?
How is the fit ?
I am 6'3" and have plenty of head room in it. But by the time I get the seat all the way back and leaned back a little, I am staring at the B pillar when I turn my head left. I have to lean forward a bit to see to the direct left.
But I have to do that in all sedans, so its no big deal. At least Lexus was thoughtful enough to include a telescoping/tilt steering wheel.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
At least Lexus was thoughtful enough to include a telescoping/tilt steering wheel.
That right there may be the saving grace for me.
the wife looked at the IS-350 lastnight she is 5'9" and said she had a few inches clearence over her head the only problem is that all they have is cars with sunroofs and it would take months to get one without it:rolleyes:
I find moon - sunroofs useless for us and just an added exspense and lose of headroom so I guess I am just going to have to drive the car myself.
Right now its down to between the lexus and the Cadillac.
The caddy will cost less but the lexus kicks its butt for power.
Also weighing in is that Lexus is rated #1 in customer satisfaction and Caddy is rated 4th.
Thanks for the info.
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No problem. If you go over to Park Place Lexus, ask for Casey. Good sales guy, and very non-intrusive. Good luck with it.
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just to pop in... my father has been a Caddy man for all his life, and riding in them i am too (though i can not afford them lol)
his last sedan (2003 model) was a pure joy to drive. i drove his wifes mercedes 500 and liked the caddy much much more. more "smooth" and gliding. you could barely tell you were moving. all the european and asian cars have that sporty feel that is ok sometimes, but nothing beat the comfort of the caddy. you can drive 8 hours and not have a bellybutton cramp in the caddy.
just my opinion.
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There's nothing out there that handles,brakes,accelerates,looks,last like BMW.
Best engine output has BMW.Mercedes(and everybody else)has to install supercharger to get the same horsepower.
Person that said BMW is underpowered is simply....i dont wanna say.
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Originally posted by ATA
There's nothing out there that handles,brakes,accelerates,looks,last like BMW.
Best engine output has BMW.Mercedes(and everybody else)has to install supercharger to get the same horsepower.
Person that said BMW is underpowered is simply....i dont wanna say.
Well 215 and 255hp engines aint nothing to be bragging about in a world of 300hp engines in the same class of car.
Drove the lexus today and with the 306hp engine it flat hauls butt!
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Originally posted by ATA
There's nothing out there that handles,brakes,accelerates,looks,last like BMW.
Best engine output has BMW.Mercedes(and everybody else)has to install supercharger to get the same horsepower.
Person that said BMW is underpowered is simply....i dont wanna say.
The handling more than makes up for lack of power (in the 2.5 liter) IMO. But I like curves better than straight out 0-60 acceleration. My 3.0 liter has 225 hp on a 3300 lb. frame, more than enough to get me in trouble....I had it up to 145 mph couple weeks ago on an early Sun morning on an empty I-90 between Issaquah and North Bend. :cool: Still had 500 RPM before redline too. :D
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Even m54 with 2.5l generates what...183 hp?Enyone else can match that without dentist machine RPM or turbo/superchargers?:)
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Well 215 and 255hp engines aint nothing to be bragging about in a world of 300hp engines in the same class of car.
Drove the lexus today and with the 306hp engine it flat hauls butt!
Now try to test drive BMW 545i,you will forget about Lexus as soon as you take off in Bavarian machine.
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Oh wait a minute it's BMW 550i now
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Here might be a decent BMW...
(http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/235-17397-377695-12569/m6%20pickup.jpg)
It might carry some drywall.
Thats a pretty fancy way to haul drywall !
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Lexus does not have a car to compete against the BMW5 series. They only have a car to compete against the 3 series, which does it very well. And the 5 series would cost nearly $20,000 more than the IS-350.
ATA, you made an error about engine performance. Honda holds the record for most horsepower/litre for a normally asiprated mass production engine (there could be some boutique car builders who might better it).
Nissan also beats out BMW in the horsepower/litre race as well.
BMW is a fine automobile, and I would be foolish to argue that (anyone would be), but do not put aside Lexus as being anything less. Both marques have thier strengths and weaknesses.
I test drove a 330 before buying the IS-250. Why the IS? It out-handled the BMW and the interior appointments were simply better for me. I really do not see how anyone could go wrong with either car. It really boils down to personal preference after driving them.
Oh, and the BMW330 would have cost $10,000.00 more to get the same options as the Lexus has standard.
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Honda makes it's horsepower by revving up their engines to 9000 rpm.,therefore they have no torque.
And Nissan,I'm not so sure.You proly right,but can you name one engine please,couse i cant really....you mean z350?
3.5l with 285 hp i believe..?
Compare to BMW S54 motor(e46m3),3.2l with 333hp.
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I do not consider the M family to be mass-produced, per se. I consider them more an after-market type of car as they are modified from a base version. And it does cost quite a bit more.
If you go into the after-market, things can get really wicked in a lot of automobile lines.
I did mis-speak about the Nissan 3.5 though. I meant the Lexus 3.5 litre which is good for 306HP (only version available right now). The Nissan 3.5 is good for 298HP.
Specifically though, the IS250 and 350 are designed to compete against the BMW330 and 330Ci.
In a nutshell:
Honda S2000: 110.2HP/litre (2.15 litre 4)
Lexus IS350: 87.4HP/litre (3.5 litre V6)
Infiniti G35 Coupe/Sedan: 85.1HP/litre (3.5 litre V6)
BMW330 Sedan: 84.9HP/litre (3.0 litre 6)
I threw the Honda in for giggles, but the other three are priced to compete against each other. The price of the M3 puts it out of competing against the others. We go after-market on all of them and they all get pretty scary.
Anyway, I was targeting these quotes from you:Even m54 with 2.5l generates what...183 hp?Enyone else can match that without dentist machine RPM or turbo/superchargers?
That engine produces 73.2HP/litre.
Best engine output has BMW.Mercedes(and everybody else)has to install supercharger to get the same horsepower.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
My 3.0 liter has 225 hp on a 3300 lb. frame, more than enough to get me in trouble....I had it up to 145 mph couple weeks ago on an early Sun morning on an empty I-90 between Issaquah and North Bend. :cool: Still had 500 RPM before redline too. :D
Somewhere there's a Curval shaking his fist and giving a disapproving look, and he prolly doesn't even know why. :D
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Could've sworn I'd seen 180hp/L stock production engines before...
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
I went into a Lexus dealer and after standing around for 30mins with noone asking if I needed help I left.
The Is350 i speced out on there website was 40K.
I am now thinking of a Cadillac CTS-V with the 400hp vette motor in it 0-60 in under 5 seconds and still rides well.
Only one big problem 51K sticker now thats gonna be a hard sell to the wife.
Don't get the CTS-V. I know 4 people with them and the huge problem right now is: the rear diff. leaks. Don't waste yer money.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I do not consider the M family to be mass-produced, per se. I consider them more an after-market type of car as they are modified from a base version. And it does cost quite a bit more.
If you go into the after-market, things can get really wicked in a lot of automobile lines.
Well in this case Lexus,would be modified Toyota:).
No "M" cars have nothing in common with rest.They just look almost same.
They built by BMW from scratch.How can "M power" be aftermarket?
Dinan,Alpina........that's aftermarket
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Got the cadillac sport with the 255hp V-6.
Tons of electronic goodies to entertain me and a very stable yet comfy ride.
The transmission is the same one that comes in the BMW 5 series and the seats are made buy the same people who do BMW seats so there is some quality in the car.
Cadillac has come a long way and is not your grannys car anymore trust me.
They have three cars that do 0-60 in under 5secs:huh
http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/model/gallery.jsp?model=cts
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Got the cadillac sport with the 255hp V-6.
Tons of electronic goodies to entertain me and a very stable yet comfy ride.
The transmission is the same one that comes in the BMW 5 series and the seats are made buy the same people who do BMW seats so there is some quality in the car.
Cadillac has come a long way and is not your grannys car anymore trust me.
They have three cars that do 0-60 in under 5secs:huh
http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/model/gallery.jsp?model=cts
Congrats! you be (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrinpimp.gif) pimpin' now!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Congrats! you be (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrinpimp.gif) pimpin' now!
LOL you bet ! Say you know where i can get some curb feelers?
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
LOL you bet ! Say you know where i can get some curb feelers?
Your passenger side mirror should rotate down (thus allowing you to see the curb clearly) when you put it in reverse to back in while parallel parking. No need for pimp wires these days. ;) If your mirror does NOT rotate down while backing up, then I can only say "You should have bought a BMW" :D
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If each key doesnt memorize your seat position,radio station,Microclimate setting,seat temp,st.wheel temp blah-blah-blah...then i can also say
"You should have bought a BMW":)
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I can't believe I am admitting this but the Z4 has really grown on me. Probably because of GT4.
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Originally posted by ATA
If each key doesnt memorize your seat position,radio station,Microclimate setting,seat temp,st.wheel temp blah-blah-blah...then i can also say
"You should have bought a BMW":)
Keys? Keys are soooo 2005. :D
Both of the BMW Z cars look good. Of course, I would have a Z8 if I could have afforded it. Although, a convertible around here is a waste of time. We just do not have enough moderate weather, during the course of a year, to be able to enjoy a convertible.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I can't believe I am admitting this but the Z4 has really grown on me. Probably because of GT4.
(http://forum.rscnet.org/images/smilies/really.gif)(http://forum.rscnet.org/images/smilies/yikes.gif)
(http://www.xtreme-tuning.com/imagenes/curiosidades/abril2-2003/5.jpg)
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Keys? Keys are soooo 2005. :D
Both of the BMW Z cars look good. Of course, I would have a Z8 if I could have afforded it. Although, a convertible around here is a waste of time. We just do not have enough moderate weather, during the course of a year, to be able to enjoy a convertible.
BMW has this key "thing" since i dont know 1996 or 97.
You can order OEM hart top for your convertible,but Z8 no longer on production line:(,i bet you'd like new M6:)
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Hehe, ATA, I was making a funny. The Lexus IS does not have a key.
And what numpty would not like a BWM 6 series, of any kind?!? I think it is a beautiful car. The Wife would kill to have one. Of course, for over $70,000.00 it damn well better be nice. :)
Of course, we would like an Aston Martin DB8 too.
Whenever you get above the $50K price level, you really open yourself up to some really incredible rides.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Hehe, ATA, I was making a funny. The Lexus IS does not have a key.
And what numpty would not like a BWM 6 series, of any kind?!? I think it is a beautiful car. The Wife would kill to have one. Of course, for over $70,000.00 it damn well better be nice. :)
Of course, we would like an Aston Martin DB8 too.
Whenever you get above the $50K price level, you really open yourself up to some really incredible rides.
Its good to be king. :)
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Rip,..in the words of Willy Wonka, "You're really wierd." :)
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Rip,..in the words of Willy Wonka, "You're really wierd." :)
Oh ya, sure, you betcha...................and your point? :D:D:D
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It was more of an assertion, or a modest acknowledgement, rather than a point. :D
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
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That picture is wrong. Lazs stopped using the umbrella.