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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Nr_RaVeN on November 28, 2005, 10:18:45 PM
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heres a try at a FW190a5
Flown by:Fw190A-5 - Maj. Hermann Graf, JGr. Ost
PLATE HERE (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/fw190a5_graf.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/ahss29.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/ahss19.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/ahss20.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/ahss21.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/ahss22.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/ahss23.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/ahss27.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/ahss13.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/fw-side.jpg)
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I'm not too sure about your colors... The upper surfaces seem almost black and white. I'd remove the balkenkreuz from the tail, it looks better blank than it does with the wrong thing there (in my opinion).
Also note that the tulip petals don't extend all the way to the end of the yellow. They extend about 2/3 the yellow.
The yellow card only appears on one side of the tail. The other side had an image of a bird over a nest of 3 chics (it's a flight school, right? The teacher and the students, get it?), and can be seen on the skin if you check out the JGr Ost skin in AH offline, or DL the one off of AH-Skins.com.
The yellow nose belongs more on the darker colors [EDIT: In my opinion], let me put a plate up, will edit this post in a few minutes.
EDIT: The colors would fall under either of 2 common schemes. One is more of a greyish scheme and I think it's more of a winter scheme, as we are talking about the Eastern Front. The other is more of a traditional camo pattern with green/grey. I'll just post a quick pic of each.
One interpretation of the lighter scheme (http://www.nakatomitower.com/dsfw190_1.jpg)
One interpretation of the darker scheme (http://www.nakatomitower.com/Graf_phase2_topdown.jpg)
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Thanks Krusty
for the input on the marking and color detail . ill dile her in a bit and wont leave so much to artist Interpretation . good tips.
Thanks Rave
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This is totally opinion -- take it or leave it, but I'm not 100% keen on the rivets. They shout (to me) "worn bare metal" rather than "painted with several coats".
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I was trying to make the plane look very weatherd and worn .. like an old work horse that has seen lots of action.
this interpretation is one of weathering
I have a nice clean plane too but its to clean.
we cant have a clean war bird those are for the restoration shop ;)
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Do you use 2 rivet layers? One black, one white? Try reducing the black one and blurring the white with guassian blur, make sure the black is layered on top of the white. Reduce white opacity by eye try it from 5% to 85%, even if you think you know you want it at 50%. (just an example).
EDIT: Save your work under a different name before doing this, like "190a5graff_1" then save it to "190a5graff_2" to try this out. Then you can always go back if you don't like it.
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thats a good way to do it I agree.
yes i do it that way i put the white on top also for this skin as i want the riv to look worn
the other skin I have is with black on top
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I think with white on top of the black, it's more of a highlight than a depression, it makes the eye see a raised detail, rather than a flush/recessed detail.
EDIT: I mean that as a generalization, not specific to this skin.
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Arnt the riv raised on the fw??........ if not woopsy
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Heh, I don't think any WW2 plane had raised rivets. If any did, they were in the minority.
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Krusty your a walking info book thanks for all the info your my go to guy now:aok
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Heh, I only knew the markings info because I'd done a similar skin already, and only knew the rivets were flush because of previous forum posts about rivet detail and so forth. Honestly I don't know everything about most things, but I know a little about most things :)
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I know NOTHINNNG.... about evrything:D
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You mean "NUuuuuh-THINK!!!"?
P.S. keep us updated on the skin
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Oh man is so smurfy. All dirty and stuf.(http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif) (http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif)
Joking bro.:D Is sweet.With that weathering looks like is ww1 veteran :D :aok
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thanks Jaws
tring for the real world feel. Its a bit over the top was just practiceing the weathering. and rised rivets experiment
Im almost done with a toned down version ie not so worn out, with flush rivets it will still need a wash job and a wax i may clean the mud off and armorall the tires too
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Don't forget the undercoat to guard against rust!
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the plane loooks dirty (in a good way):eek: :aok
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I'd like to see an updated screenshot whenever you get around to it raven.
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will do otw .
just have to hand paint some of the makings as I cant find them like the reath with the 202 on it and the hart card. and some balkin crosses.
thats fun to do also making the makings takes as long as the skin
lol
but its good stress therapy for me.
did that plane have a serial number for the rudder id so do you know what it is?
also was there and small writeing aywere on the plane i what to put in that detail,( if so what did it say and were would i find out ? or any first aid cross??
thanks Rave
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You mean like a name on the side of the fuselage, or do you mean little things like warning labels and stencils?
If you'd like an idea of what the markins looked like on mine, go to AH-skins.com and go to the 190a5 section and DL the version I did. I uploaded it to that website after it was accepted by HTC.
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im looking for things like warning labels ect some planes have it on the wing some have it in the back by the rudder. what i was wondering was were do I find out what it said and were it was on the plane.
txs Rave
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Ahh.. I had that same problem for a while with 190s. I found some stenciling from pictures of aircraft in museums, but it turns out that not all planes kept them. If a plane was repainted in the field they did not repaint the stencils. Sometimes they masked them before painting (leaving shadows or boxes around them) but mostly they got overpainted. On this plane I don't think there were many, so you don't really have to worry about it.
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i think it looks decent... but....
am i missing the engine exhaust ports?
did you layer over them?
in my opinion the profile pic with the plane headed to the right looks great with the splotchy paint, but some of the closer shots the + look a bit too dirty, and the dirt is not even with the dirt on the paint next to them. (like in the picture with the left wing root in the center of the frame)
just my observations
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(like in the picture with the left wing root in the center of the frame)
rgr the corrected screan is the first one
the one you referance was before i fixed it. that one got bye me ill remove it... ty good eye
the blueish color represents the metal under the paint showing
port for exust were layered over i just need to take the camo off from it
I what trying for not only dirt but some rust effect kind of experimintation
as my above post says I have the toned down one otw but it still is A lil dirty I just have a problem with war birds that are clean.
it makes no sence to me.
these things are in the filed fighting all mudy and scratched up.
they dont get detailed when they land I see some nice skins out there but they are way to clean its unrealistic IMO.
im the same way with models I go as far as to slap real mud on the wheels ect .then flat clear over it
but you are correct that 190 is a pig pen
:lol
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Originally posted by Krusty
Ahh.. I had that same problem for a while with 190s. I found some stenciling from pictures of aircraft in museums, but it turns out that not all planes kept them. If a plane was repainted in the field they did not repaint the stencils. Sometimes they masked them before painting (leaving shadows or boxes around them) but mostly they got overpainted. On this plane I don't think there were many, so you don't really have to worry about it.
oki doki well for the heck of it Ill try and dig something up I need more books any recomendations on sites??
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Originally posted by 1K3
the plane loooks dirty (in a good way):eek: :aok
:lol TY 1k3
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i dont know how you are making it, but for the 190 i made everything was PRISTINE and mint condition on their own layers, and i used over 8 different layers for different types of dirt.
4 layers above that for exhaust.
that may help lining up some of the dirty things, and get that effect you are looking for of dirtying then a virtual clear coat over
just a suggestion
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I just did google searches. Google has an image search feature as well. Images.google.com
Or google for walkarounds and such. Model reference sites often have links to photos of real things.
EDIT: But like I said I think you can pull this skin off without any.
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ok thanks krusty
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Originally posted by Mustaine
i dont know how you are making it, but for the 190 i made everything was PRISTINE and mint condition on their own layers, and i used over 8 different layers for different types of dirt.
4 layers above that for exhaust.
that may help lining up some of the dirty things, and get that effect you are looking for of dirtying then a virtual clear coat over
just a suggestion
I do the same thing I have so many layers i get lost
ty for tips
Mustaine