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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Bruno on December 01, 2005, 09:56:45 AM
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Pictures are linked due to size. These aren't high resolution shots, just 1280 x 768. Once I get finished up I will post better shots.
I still need to add the Werk Number to the tail, weather/exhaust and adjust some opacities on some of the lines but here ya go:
First a couple of the real aircraft (pictures taken by an Ami soldier at Neubiberg): Colors are
Undersurface - RLM 76 - Graugrün
Camouflage / Upper surfaces - RLM 75 - Mittelgrau
Dark Camouflage / Upper surfaces - RLM 74 - Dunkelgrau
Pic 1 (http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Screens/G1410.jpg)
Pic 2 (http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Screens/G149.jpg)
Here's the screens:
SS 1 (http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Screens/G141.jpg)
SS 2 (http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Screens/G142.jpg)
SS 3 (http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Screens/G143.jpg)
SS 4 (http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Screens/G144.jpg)
SS 5 (http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Screens/G145.jpg)
SS 6 (http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Screens/G146.jpg)
SS 7 (http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Screens/G147.jpg)
SS 8 (http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Screens/G148.jpg)
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We had something similar on the old G10. I've missed it!
:aok
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Looks very nice...
Are you planning on doing more G-14s?
That Black 10 looks gorgeus.
http://p219.ezboard.com/fwwiiairwaroverthenorthfrm11.showMessage?topicID=124.topic
...or G-6s?
http://p219.ezboard.com/fwwiiairwaroverthenorthfrm11.showMessage?topicID=80.topic
....you're probably famillar with that board. Mr. Aakra does good research then draws very nice profiles.
Would REALLY like to see some JG 5 Messerschmittis!
There's good humour with Carganico's Mickey dragging his shoes back from russia... ;)
...just posted something that might get you inspired...disregard if you have other plans. :)
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wmaker, it's odd. That first link you posted had all JG5 aircraft, it seems. However I thought JG5 were flying Fw190A8s at the end of the war, as I just did a skin for the 190A8 and know there were quite a few for JG5 similar to what I did.
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Jagdgeschwader is a regiment size unit with several squadrons. Different fighter types were flown.
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Wmaker I was gong to do a JG 5 G-6, the next G-14 will probrably be 16./JG 53 Alfred Michel's Blau 2. If you want a G-14 for JG 5 I can do JG 53 G-6 (7./JG 53) instead.
I plan on doing 2 109s each.
The other G-6 will be either 9./JG 54 or JG 1.
I haven't decided on the others yet...
JG 5 was a step child and flew whatever aircraft they could get. 110s, FWs, 109s, even 109Ts etc...
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Originally posted by Bruno
JG 5 was a step child and flew whatever aircraft they could get. 110s, FWs, 109s, even 109Ts etc...
:rofl
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Originally posted by Bruno
Wmaker I was gong to do a JG 5 G-6, the next G-14 will probrably be 16./JG 53 Alfred Michel's Blau 2. If you want a G-14 for JG 5 I can do JG 53 G-6 (7./JG 53) instead.
I plan on doing 2 109s each.
The other G-6 will be either 9./JG 54 or JG 1.
All this sounds very cool! :)
That Carganicos G-6 is extremely nice but from entirely selfish reasons...
Yes, I'd like to see JG 5 G-14 more. Because when we get Finnish Air Force skin on G-6 I'll be using in most of my G-6 flying anyway. In events I will fly with the skin which is the most appropriate.
But in all seriousness...you don't have to chage your plans for me unless you really want to do that JG 5 G-14.
By looking those profiles that Black 10 is the nicest looking with JG emblem and everything but that Yellow 4 with its lack of radio antenna represents AH G-14 the best...nasty decision. :confused:
I'll leave that to you if you decide to skin one of those birds. ;)
EDIT/Just came to mind that if you like to, there isn't any reason why you couldn't do more than two per 109 (Though I know that the skins don't do themselves...I just got the impression that you thought about saving slots for other skinners). Since 109 slots didn't get full before the remodelling either...and as you can see there doesn't seem to be any big rush on doing them now either... :( And you produce top quality anyway. But again, if it's more of a time/work constraint, disregard. ;)/EDIT
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Bandwidth execeded, sorry.
CLick on these thumbs:
(http://img111.potato.com/loc24/th_485_G1410.jpg) (http://img111.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=485_G1410.jpg)
(http://img17.potato.com/loc24/th_ee0_G149.jpg) (http://img17.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=ee0_G149.jpg)
(http://img21.potato.com/loc24/th_b3b_G148.jpg) (http://img21.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=b3b_G148.jpg)
(http://img12.potato.com/loc24/th_2bd_G147.jpg) (http://img12.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=2bd_G147.jpg)
(http://img127.potato.com/loc24/th_7ef_G146.jpg) (http://img127.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=7ef_G146.jpg)
(http://img101.potato.com/loc24/th_1c4_G145.jpg) (http://img101.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=1c4_G145.jpg)
(http://img44.potato.com/loc24/th_8cd_G144.jpg) (http://img44.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=8cd_G144.jpg)
(http://img22.potato.com/loc24/th_d75_G143.jpg) (http://img22.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=d75_G143.jpg)
(http://img109.potato.com/loc24/th_a09_G142.jpg) (http://img109.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=a09_G142.jpg)
(http://img107.potato.com/loc24/th_8ee_G141.jpg) (http://img107.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=8ee_G141.jpg)
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Originally posted by Wmaker
Looks very nice...
Are you planning on doing more G-14s?
That Black 10 looks gorgeus.
http://p219.ezboard.com/fwwiiairwaroverthenorthfrm11.showMessage?topicID=124.topic
...or G-6s?
http://p219.ezboard.com/fwwiiairwaroverthenorthfrm11.showMessage?topicID=80.topic
....you're probably famillar with that board. Mr. Aakra does good research then draws very nice profiles.
Would REALLY like to see some JG 5 Messerschmittis!
There's good humour with Carganico's Mickey dragging his shoes back from russia... ;)
...just posted something that might get you inspired...disregard if you have other plans. :)
Ohhhhhh.... can i try that skin? =) mickey mouse!!M w00000t00ttt0t0t0 !111!!
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That guy who was saying "there are two mickey mouses" was blind as a bat. They were frickin' IDENTICAL. Right down to the camoflague mottling behind them.
Guy musta been off his meds.
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They're not the same, the scarf and the mouse face are different.
Not only that but even though the pictures are black and white its clear the mottle on the 2 aircraft are different as well. Look under both canopy frames and compare, even the profiles he did have different mottling.
No offense but Kjetil knows his stuff and has been at that type of thing for a long time. He knows JG 5 inside and out...
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The face is only slightly different -- could be attributed to angle. The scarf is the same. It crooks up, goes straight, and crooks up again. It does this in both, but in the second one the second "leg" of the scarf is washed out (the picture is blown out). Look at the camo splotches around the mickey. They match up exactly. Especially with the shading right by his belly.
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(http://www.nakatomitower.com/temp.jpg)
Okay I've outlined the scarf. Only the guy who claims there are two mickey's has truncated it a bit, because it's all washed out and he can't see the last leg.
The eyes. The angle is very much different. I gave the original angle and rotated and stretched to approximate the angle of the washed out (truncated scarf) mickey. The face looks a lot the same to me from this angle.
They are identical.
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The first scarf is dark, possibly red, the second scarf is a lighter color. The second scarf's color almost matches the color of the mouse's face... Its a different mouse...
The eye are different, they are a solid dark color (black) in one and light pulpils in the other. They are not indentical...
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The quality of the first photo is dark and bleeding colors, as many war time photos did. There are many photos where dark colors "glow" larger than the actual element. This can easily explain the eyes. The look different but only because people are examining the seeping pigment on the photo, not the general picture the pigment represents.
The second photo is much worse quality than the first. The colors are far far too faded to make any color judgements. What looks like one shade of bled-out grey in the first photo looks like washed out white in the second. Does that mean there are two different colors? No. It means both photos are s*** quality :P
The mickeys are identical :)
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The quality of the first photo is dark and bleeding colors, as many war time photos did. There are many photos where dark colors "glow" larger than the actual element. This can easily explain the eyes. The look different but only because people are examining the seeping pigment on the photo, not the general picture the pigment represents.
The light scarf is not 'washed out' glowing... The dark scarf is not light with color bleeding.
If you look at the images carefully, you will see more obvious differences. One has a 'thumbs up' the other an open hand. I told you already the about the eyes, one has light pupils the other has none. Look at the buttons on the waist, one has a solid dark button, the over just an outlined circle. Look at the feet, th enose etc...
I think its fair to say that Kjetil is far more the 'expert' then you in these matters.
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Bye the way Bruno.....
NICE 109 SKIN :aok :aok
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Originally posted by Bruno
The light scarf is not 'washed out' glowing... The dark scarf is not light with color bleeding.
It's a fact that the film of the time was far far inferior to anything we have today. Looking at most old wartime photos you will see the blacks get "fuzzy" and the lights/whites bleed like hell. This also happens in the other shades but when you have 200 shades of grey is not as noticable. It is happening there, however.
If you look at the images carefully, you will see more obvious differences. One has a 'thumbs up' the other an open hand.
Look in the image I posted. Look back and forth at the two hands. They are 100% identical. The figers are curld back so you see the fingertips under the thumb. Only in the washed out one you can't see the demarcation from the fingertips because the pic is blown out color wise.
I told you already the about the eyes, one has light pupils the other has none.
When black colors bleed they radiate outwards. That means that they obscure details closely around them. The "pupils" are essentially wedges cut out of the eyes' black. The wedges are obscured because the black has "smeared" (just a description) into the area that should have been white.
Look at the buttons on the waist, one has a solid dark button, the over just an outlined circle.
Look again. The buttons are identical, only the one in the smaller picture happens to be the one with the black bleeding out into surrounding pigment. The fuzzy nature of the black in that photo suggests that it has "filled in" the button, but it shold be a circle as you suggest. You're over-analyzing a flawed photo, as was the fellow that posted on that forum I suspect.
Look at the feet, th enose etc...
Yes.. Look at them. There is no difference whatsoever. If you put them over each other they would be perfect duplicates.
I think its fair to say that Kjetil is far more the 'expert' then you in these matters.
Well at least I know something about photography, which this Kjetil doesn't seem to know. And I can point out the glaring LACK of difference between the two images - which, by the way, he is using as absolute proof when BOTH are substandard quality. Does he have other sources from different angles showing differeng Mickey Mouses? No. He uses 2 bad photos, which when analyzed prove to be identical. He's making superficial observations on a flawed medium. It's like person A saying person B is watching a different TV show while in fact the only difference is that person A's tint is full blue and person Bs tint is full red. It doesn't stand up and it doesn't support itself.
EDIT: Hey, ya never said which 109 it was for! Was it F4 or G2??