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Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: TimRas on December 01, 2005, 01:15:07 PM

  Rank      Type      Kills   Deaths   K-%     K/D
   1    Spitfire  XVI   41468   36904 11.42    1.12
   2    La-7            30066   25567  8.28    1.18
   3    N1K2            27844   24069  7.67    1.16
   4    P-51D           20541   19671  5.66    1.04
   5    Typhoon IB      18622   12724  5.13    1.46
   6    Bf 110G-2       15593   19823  4.29    0.79
   7    SeaFire         14214   14413  3.91    0.99
   8    Hurricane IIC   12995   10770  3.58    1.21
   9    Bf 109K-4       10872    7914  2.99    1.37
   10   Spitfire V       9371   12401  2.58    0.76
   11   Fw 190D-9        8697    5820  2.39    1.49
   12   Spitfire VIII    8417    8500  2.32    0.99
   13   F4U-1C           8236    3685  2.27    2.24
   14   Ki-84-Ia         8059    5291  2.22    1.52
   15   F6F-5            7908    7936  2.18    1.00
   16   C.205            7451    6413  2.05    1.16
   17   Spitfire IX      7287    8463  2.01    0.86
   18   Tempest          6958    1330  1.92    5.23
   19   P-38L            6944   10439  1.91    0.67
   20   F4U-1D           6911    9256  1.90    0.75
   21   P-38J            6372    4906  1.75    1.30
   22   Fw 190A-8        6107    5095  1.68    1.20
   23   La-5FN           6093    6417  1.68    0.95
   24   Bf 109G-14       5818    5020  1.60    1.16
   25   A6M5b            5640    6825  1.55    0.83
   26   Fw 190A-5        4474    3586  1.23    1.25
   27   P-47N            4339    4725  1.19    0.92
   28   Yak-9U           3939    4527  1.08    0.87
   29   Me 262           3761     983  1.04    3.83
   30   Mosquito VI      3091    3655  0.85    0.85
   31   P-51B            2995    3072  0.82    0.97
   32   F4U-1            2991    2316  0.82    1.29
   33   Bf 109G-2        2416    1969  0.67    1.23
   34   Bf 109G-6        2327    2430  0.64    0.96
   35   P-47-D40         2245    2834  0.62    0.79
   36   Bf 109F-4        1924    1901  0.53    1.01
   37   FM2              1771    1644  0.49    1.08
   38   Ki-61            1720    1548  0.47    1.11
   39   P-38G            1630    1410  0.45    1.16
   40   F4U-4            1629     798  0.45    2.04
   41   P-47D-11         1627    1079  0.45    1.51
   42   P-40E            1362    1838  0.38    0.74
   43   Spitfire XIV     1353    1248  0.37    1.08
   44   P-47-D25         1301    1063  0.36    1.22
   45   Yak-9T           1191    1609  0.33    0.74
   46   Fw 190F-8        1114    1469  0.31    0.76
   47   Me 163B           970     261  0.27    3.72
   48   Ta 152H           712     563  0.20    1.26
   49   Hurricane IID     685    1692  0.19    0.40
   50   F4F-4             618     684  0.17    0.90
   51   A6M2              520    1560  0.14    0.33
   52   Hurricane I       413    1120  0.11    0.37
   53   Bf 109E-4         373     625  0.10    0.60
   54   Spitfire I        357    1292  0.10    0.28
   55   C.202             333     775  0.09    0.43
   56   Bf 110C-4b        324     516  0.09    0.63
   57   P-40B             181     883  0.05    0.20



Spitfire XVI took the #1 position even though it was not available in the first third of the tour. All Spits got 23% of the total kills.
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Karnak on December 01, 2005, 01:21:29 PM
It will be interesting to see what will happen with the Spit XVI's use in it's first full tour.  It had the disadvantage of only having 20 days last tour and the advantage of being both very good and very new.  In Tour 70 and Tour 71 that usage may fall off a bit as La-7 drivers learn that it doesn't offer the automatic escape of their old rides and as people learn how to kill it.
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Schutt on December 01, 2005, 01:39:21 PM
k/d rate of the spit16 is disappointing low.

Eaven the hurricaneIIc does better.
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Wilbus on December 01, 2005, 01:52:35 PM
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Originally posted by Schutt
k/d rate of the spit16 is disappointing low.

Eaven the hurricaneIIc does better.


Because every n00b flies it.

It is a very easy plane to get into, does everything great like all other spits only that the 16 also rolls far greater. It is a true dream to fly (although I find it somewhat boring as with all spits).
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: gatt on December 01, 2005, 02:15:19 PM
Very interesting is the k/d ratio of the K-4. Surprised by the low k/d of the two new Spitfires, tho.
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Zazen13 on December 01, 2005, 02:42:37 PM
The Tempest has almost twice the K/D of the 262 or 163 and accounts for a much higher % of kills...Interesting. ;)

Zazen
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: mars01 on December 01, 2005, 03:33:38 PM
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It is a very easy plane to get into, does everything great like all other spits only that the 16 also rolls far greater. It is a true dream to fly (although I find it somewhat boring as with all spits).

Yeah the XVI is awesome.  It is still as easy a kill as any other spit, but down low surrounded bogys, it is far from boring and loads of fun.  If you are bored in a spit, you are either too high, around too many greens or just a kitty cat. :aok :D LOLH
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: mars01 on December 01, 2005, 03:34:38 PM
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The Tempest has almost twice the K/D of the 262 or 163 and accounts for a much higher % of kills...Interesting.
Is he talking to you Lev?  LOLHROTFF.:D
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Schatzi on December 01, 2005, 03:37:31 PM
HeHe, i made it rank 52 this tour!!! :D
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: SFCHONDO on December 01, 2005, 03:42:25 PM
MAR01 I am not sure, but I think what he meant by boring was (least how I took it) it doesn't offer him a challenge to fly it. As say a less uber plane would. But that's just my guess as to what he meant.
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Zazen13 on December 01, 2005, 04:18:26 PM
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Originally posted by mars01
Yeah the XVI is awesome.  It is still as easy a kill as any other spit, but down low surrounded bogys, it is far from boring and loads of fun.  If you are bored in a spit, you are either too high, around too many greens or just a kitty cat. :aok :D LOLH


SpitXVI's are much harder to bounce than a normal Spit, they can just 'flick' the stick and be facing 180 degrees the other way in an instant.

Zazen
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Zazen13 on December 01, 2005, 04:20:02 PM
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Originally posted by mars01
Is he talking to you Lev?  LOLHROTFF.:D


Levi got 94 kills in Tempest for 16 deaths, nice enough, but only a small percentage of the 6,958 total Tempest kills. That's not statistically significant when compared to the arena totals (Levi's K/D was just under 6 to 1 compared to arena wide 5.23 to 1).

Zazen
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Wilbus on December 01, 2005, 04:39:04 PM
Fair enough mars but I use my Ki84 for that. More challenging plane but more or less equally dangerous when flown the right way (part from no Hispanos).
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Furball on December 01, 2005, 04:43:22 PM
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Levi got 94 kills in Tempest for 16 deaths, nice enough, but only a small percentage of the 6,958 total Tempest kills. That's not statistically significant when compared to the arena totals (Levi's K/D was just under 6 to 1 compared to arena wide 5.23 to 1).

Zazen


yeah! well! i got a kd of 12 in it! dweeb! :D

you may worship now.
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Zazen13 on December 01, 2005, 04:45:21 PM
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Originally posted by Furball
yeah! well! i got a kd of 12 in it! dweeb! :D

you may worship now.


No no no! You worship me! I got a K/D of 18 to 1 in it! ;) (3 hops). I usually get 30 to 50 to 1 in it when I fly it more, but of course I don't fight, I just kill... :rolleyes:

Zazen
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Furball on December 01, 2005, 04:46:20 PM
i got 12 (my one and only fighter sortie last tour) :p
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Zazen13 on December 01, 2005, 04:49:09 PM
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Originally posted by Furball
i got 12 (my one and only fighter sortie last tour) :p


Any vulches?
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Furball on December 01, 2005, 04:51:17 PM
1 or 2 probably, i was BnZ over an enemy base.
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Zazen13 on December 01, 2005, 04:55:13 PM
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Originally posted by Furball
1 or 2 probably, i was BnZ over an enemy base.


Ahh, think my best hop is 9, but no vulches of course...So, you still got me beat, that's a nice hop...Gotta have some aim to get over 8.
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Furball on December 01, 2005, 04:56:48 PM
think i have about 18 when all air to air with no rearm in tempest.  i remember because i had 2 hispano rounds left. and Bug332 was over the base i wanted to land at in a p38, i hit him with 1 round, in the cockpit to get last kill.

i think me and stang were winging them, but he augered or died with about 12.

and thanks!
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Booz on December 01, 2005, 05:13:33 PM
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Originally posted by Zazen13
The Tempest has almost twice the K/D of the 262 or 163 and accounts for a much higher % of kills...Interesting. ;)

Zazen


  NB also took it out for 120 kills or so. The big boys flew it more often last month obviously.
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: NoBaddy on December 01, 2005, 05:46:45 PM
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Originally posted by Booz
NB also took it out for 120 kills or so. The big boys flew it more often last month obviously.


Booz...

The majority of kills I have in the Tempy are vs buffs. The majority of my deaths in it are from trying to turn fight with Spit16's :). I ran a lil over 18 to 1 vs bombers last camp (giving only 7 kills to 'em). I think the Tempy is working for me :D.

I just wanna know who the dweebs are that drag down the K/D for my beloved Yak?
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Dead Man Flying on December 01, 2005, 05:48:08 PM
Eh?  I was vulched at least three or four times in a Tempest.  It's a good thing they're free.  :)

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: NoBaddy on December 01, 2005, 06:42:16 PM
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Eh?  I was vulched at least three or four times in a Tempest.  It's a good thing they're free.  :)

-- Todd/Leviathn


Damn Levi...are they free for you too???? :D
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Grits on December 01, 2005, 06:49:20 PM
When your fighter perk number looks close to the national debt Temps are free. :)
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: MANDO on December 01, 2005, 06:54:50 PM
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Originally posted by Zazen13
The Tempest has almost twice the K/D of the 262 or 163 and accounts for a much higher % of kills...Interesting. ;)
Zazen


Typh icon mades all. You engange a typh and surprise ...
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Zazen13 on December 01, 2005, 07:01:21 PM
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Originally posted by MANDO
Typh icon mades all. You engange a typh and surprise ...


Very true, taking the , "Gang-Bang me Puuuulease!!!" icon off the Tempest made a HUGE difference.

Zazen
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: WMLute on December 01, 2005, 07:03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Zazen13
No no no! You worship me! I got a K/D of 18 to 1 in it! ;) (3 hops). I usually get 30 to 50 to 1 in it when I fly it more, but of course I don't fight, I just kill... :rolleyes:

Zazen


63 kills in a temp vs. 2 deaths  (go me)
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Zazen13 on December 01, 2005, 07:07:57 PM
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Originally posted by WMLute
63 kills in a temp vs. 2 deaths  (go me)


Very nice! That's about what I do normally (with no vulching). Obviously, the Tempest makes killing and living fairly easy but to have a very long death-less streak with alot of kills takes alot of discipline, SA and luck. One bad ram, HO, or a good buff gunner and party's over.

Zazen
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: F1Bomber on December 01, 2005, 08:06:17 PM
I protest, where is my il2!!!
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Panzzer on December 01, 2005, 08:23:03 PM
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Originally posted by F1Bomber
I protest, where is my il2!!!
It's not a fighter.. ;)

Which brings up a point, how many kills / deaths in a SpitXVI (for example) have been under the attack-category (since it can carry a 1000lbs of bombs). Not to underestimate Timppa's work in assembling that list, but many of those planes can be flown in attack mode as well. ;)
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: storch on December 01, 2005, 09:32:20 PM
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Because every n00b flies it.

It is a very easy plane to get into, does everything great like all other spits only that the 16 also rolls far greater. It is a true dream to fly (although I find it somewhat boring as with all spits).
I killed a nOOb in it.
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Karnak on December 01, 2005, 10:03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Panzzer
It's not a fighter.. ;)

Which brings up a point, how many kills / deaths in a SpitXVI (for example) have been under the attack-category (since it can carry a 1000lbs of bombs). Not to underestimate Timppa's work in assembling that list, but many of those planes can be flown in attack mode as well. ;)

This list doesn't care about any of that.  It is simply a total, with bombers, tanks, et al removed.
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Panzzer on December 01, 2005, 10:17:28 PM
Oh, so it's every fighter model available and has nothing to do with the category which the plane is flown under? Thanks, I thought this was only the planes in the fighter category. :)

Edit: All right, after a moment of thinking I get the idea of this list. Sorry for being too dense earlier. ;)
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Eagler on December 01, 2005, 10:22:15 PM
until there is a rolling planeset, it is all bs
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Karnak on December 01, 2005, 10:42:19 PM
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Originally posted by Eagler
until there is a rolling planeset, it is all bs

How so?

A) There will never be a rolling planeset.

B) It gives a rough idea of what the usage was for each fighter last tour.
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: AKFokerFoder+ on December 01, 2005, 10:52:57 PM
As an intresting note on game play,

Spitfires of all types accounted for over 22% of all kills in tours 70

British Iron of all types over 34%


FW190 of all types 5.8%
109's  of all types 6.5%
110's of all types 4.4%

German Iron about 17.3%


Japanes Iron of all types 12.0%


American Iron 22%

Russian Iron 11.4%

And finally;

Ship Gunner has 26477 Kills of All models
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: J_A_B on December 02, 2005, 07:56:55 AM
This list shows a great deal of variety.  17 different planes appear with better than a 1 in 50 frequencty.  That's enough to be able to expect to see at least one of them in a good-size furball.  11 more planes have at least a 1% usage rate, sufficient to prevent them from being "rare".  The most popular airplane is barely more than 1 in 10.  

I remember the days of Air Warrior for DOS when there were a total of 7 different fighters available in the european arena, two of them were virtually un-used, and two-thirds of the population flew Spitfires.  I was satisfied with THAT level of variety, so the current level of variety in AH is downright excellent.  Even accounting for ALL Spitfires, the tag is still less common than it was when I first started playing online flightsims.

Karnak, The Spit XVI / LF Mark IX was one of those planes you had always wanted to see in AH.  Both you and I feared such a plane would be perked (and perhaps two years ago it would have been), but in today's MA it isn't.  How do you like the Spit 16?


Eagler. I just returned to AH again.  You wouldn't want to drive me away so soon (read: I despise RPS), would you?

J_A_B
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: Karnak on December 02, 2005, 09:57:03 AM
J_A_B,

I've never liked the look of clipped wings on Spitfires, so it really isn't my cup of tea.  I've done one or two sorties in it to feel it in combat.  It is avery nice fighter, and almost certainly the best starter fighter now.  I actually think the Ki-84 is better in the hands of a veteran, but the Spit XVI is very impressive.

For my part I actually prefer the Mk VIII and was glad to see that it made it in as it was in doubt.
Title: Tour 70 fighter stats
Post by: wetrat on December 02, 2005, 06:10:54 PM
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Originally posted by Zazen13
The Tempest has almost twice the K/D of the 262 or 163 and accounts for a much higher % of kills...Interesting. ;)

Zazen
It's much easier to hit things in a temp, and much easier to lawn dart in a 262 :O