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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hawklore on December 04, 2005, 04:15:01 PM
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I was watching the Jags vs Browns game, and we tackled their QB around the 1yd line, his waist was on the goalline and the ball in the endzone..
He hadn't touched the ground previous to that, safety or no?
They called no safety, I belive it is a safety, unless theirs a new rule?
Wasn't disputed, challenged, brought up by announcers or nothing.. So I'm curious..
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If he (or the ball) was pushed back into the endzone from the field of play, it's a question of forward progress. (Where the ball was.)
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Ok, thats the only thing my dad and I could come up with, he basicly got tackled onto his rearend and his torso (and the ball) flew back into the endzone..
Great call by the refs then!
Great game Browns!
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Why do they call it "football"? And... interesting scenario. I bet they stopped the game for even longer than normal. Woot - more stoppage time. Yay! :aok
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Why do they call it Great Britain? I don't know. Some things just don't make sense.
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Game never stopped from this play.
Very fast paced game all the way to the end..
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Originally posted by beet1e
Why do they call it "football"? And... interesting scenario. I bet they stopped the game for even longer than normal. Woot - more stoppage time. Yay! :aok
Originaly, football was a game of running and kicking, rules did not exclude the ability to throw the ball forward, thus it evolved into throwing, running, kicking.
Resulting in a more unpredictable outcome, requiring more preperation by the defense to stop the offense from scoring.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Why do they call it "football"? And... interesting scenario. I bet they stopped the game for even longer than normal. Woot - more stoppage time. Yay! :aok
Because its 1 foot long.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Originaly, football was a game of running and kicking, rules did not exclude the ability to throw the ball forward, thus it evolved into throwing, running, kicking.
Resulting in a more unpredictable outcome, requiring more preperation by the defense to stop the offense from scoring.
We used to play it more like Rugby. But people were getting killed.
the refrence to Teddy Roosevelt (not exactly what anyone could call a sissy himself) Was basically he told them to tone it down or he and conrgress would outlaw the game
"HISTORY OF AMERICAN FOOTBALL
Football historians, those who have studied the game and its origins, place the game’s beginnings in rugby, an English game played with many similarities to football. Rugby began in eighteen twenty-three at the famous Rugby Boys’ School in England. Another cousin of the game of football is soccer; its beginnings can also be traced to English origin, being played as early as the eighteen twenties.
COLLEGE FOOTBALL: ITS BEGINNINGS
At the same time, a group of students at Princeton began playing what was then known as ‘ballown’. First using their fists to advance the ball, and then their feet, this game consisted mainly of one goal: to advance the ball past the opposing team. There were no hard and fast rules applied to this earliest attempt at the game we now call football.
At Harvard, the freshman and sophomore classes competed in a football-type game, played on the first Monday of each school year; this event came to be known as ‘Bloody Monday’ because of the roughness of the game. Pick up games, similar in style to that played on ‘Bloody Monday’, soon became popular on the Boston Common, catching on in popularity around eighteen sixty.
Soon after the end of the American Civil War, around eighteen sixty five, colleges began organizing football games. In eighteen sixty seven, Princeton led the way in establishing some rudimentary rules of the game. Also in that year, the football itself was patented for the very first time.
Rutgers College also established a set of rules in eighteen sixty seven, and with the relatively short distance between it and Princeton, a game was decided upon by both universities. A date was chosen, November sixth, eighteen sixty nine; Rutgers won by a score of six goals to four, and thus was played what has become known as the very first intercollegiate football game.
In eighteen seventy three, representatives from Columbia, Rutgers, Princeton, and Yale met in New York City to formulate the first intercollegiate football rules for the increasingly popular game, still being played with many of the rules of soccer. These four teams established the Intercollegiate Football Association, and set as fifteen the number of players allowed on each team.
Walter Camp, the coach at Yale and a dissenter from the IFA over his desire for an eleven man team, helped begin the final step in the evolution from rugby-style play to the modern game of American football. The IFA’s rules committee, led by Camp, soon cut the number of players from fifteen to eleven, and also instituted the size of the playing field, at one hundred ten yards. In eighteen eighty-two Camp also introduced the system of downs. After first allowing three attempts to advance the ball five yards, in nineteen six it was changed to ten yards. The fourth down was added in nineteen twelve. Tackling below the waist had been legalized in eighteen eighty-eight.
Within a decade, concern over the increasing brutality of the game led to its ban by some colleges. Nearly one hundred eighty players had suffered serious injuries, and eighteen deaths had been reported from the brutal mass plays that had become common in practice. In nineteen hundred five, President Theodore Roosevelt called upon Harvard, Princeton, and Yale to help save the sport from demise.
At a meeting between the schools, reform was agreed upon, and at a second meeting, attended by more than sixty other schools, the group appointed a seven member Rules Committee and set up what would later become known as the National Collegiate Athletic Association, or the NCAA.
From this committee came the legalization of the forward pass, which resulted in a more open style of play on the field. The rough mass plays, which once caused so many serious injuries, and even deaths, were prohibited by the committee. Also prohibited was the locking of arms by teammates in an effort to clear the way for their ball carriers. The length of the game was shortened, from seventy to sixty minutes, and the neutral zone, which separates the teams by the length of the ball before each play begins, was also established."http://wiwi.essortment.com/americanfootbal_rwff.htm (http://wiwi.essortment.com/americanfootbal_rwff.htm)
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LOL
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Also
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_032000_football.htm (http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_032000_football.htm)
"FOOTBALL
American football descends from a rowdy medieval game in which, typically, the men, women, and children of one village attempted to kick, throw, or carry a ball across fields and streams to the fiercely defended portals of another village's parish church. By the nineteenth century, British schoolboys and university students had tamed the mayhem into something approximating modern soccer and rugby. Americans had occasionally played some forms of the premodern game, but the first intercollegiate contests occurred November 6, 1869, when Rutgers defeated Princeton in soccer by a score of 6-4, and May 15, 1874, when Harvard and McGill played to a scoreless tie in rugby.
As the game evolved, rugby's scrum became American football's scrimmage (1880) and the unique system of downs and measured yardage was introduced (1882). Other distinctive elements, like the forward pass, date from the early twentieth century. Many innovations were suggested by Yale's Walter Camp, an enormously successful coach whose teams, led by famed Lee McClung and Walter "Pudge" Heffelfinger, had nine undefeated seasons between 1883 and 1898. Camp wrote the rule books, named the "All-America" teams, and spoke tirelessly of the game's contributions to "character."
By the end of the nineteenth century, football had become the most popular and also the most controversial intercollegiate sport. The rituals associated with "the big game" were in place. Faculties struggled to control the game (and to save students from a "win at all costs" attitude that threatened the code of fair play). The intensity of competition had led to widespread and occasionally fatal violence on the field. When abolition of the game seemed a likely response to public dismay, President Henry MacCracken of New York University convened an emergency conference that led in 1906 to the formation of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (ncaa)."
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
. The intensity of competition had led to widespread and occasionally fatal violence on the field. When abolition of the game seemed a likely response to public dismay, President Henry MacCracken of New York University convened an emergency conference that led in 1906 to the formation of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (ncaa)."
Sounds like what European Soccer is now...at least with the fans...:rofl
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IF the ball crossed the front edge of the goal line before he was ruled down by contact (as defined by the NFL rules) then the ball will be spotted at the location he was deemed down at. OTHERWISE the play would have resulted in a safety and 2 points for the defensive team.
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Originally posted by Reschke
IF the ball crossed the front edge of the goal line before he was ruled down by contact (as defined by the NFL rules) then the ball will be spotted at the location he was deemed down at. OTHERWISE the play would have resulted in a safety and 2 points for the defensive team.
Wish I had video to review it...
I'm not sure if his butt touched the ground before or after the ball that he was holding at armpit level was across the goaline or not..
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Was he trying to go forward before he was tackled backwards?
If so they may have as was mentioned ruled forward progress.
As long as your trying to move forward at the time of the tackle the ball should be spotted where you had the most forward progress reguardless of how far back he was physically driven or where the body or more importantly the ball was when he was ruled down
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Was he trying to go forward before he was tackled backwards?
If so they may have as was mentioned ruled forward progress.
As long as your trying to move forward at the time of the tackle the ball should be spotted where you had the most forward progress reguardless of how far back he was physically driven or where the body or more importantly the ball was when he was ruled down
Again, wish we had the video..
I think he had just started to go forwards at the time of the tackle..