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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nifty on July 13, 2001, 02:17:00 PM
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It's not quite from the same angle as the other F/A-18 vapor bubble pic we've all seen, but this one is still spiffy! It was taken by one of the ladies I work with at the Blues show at Pensacola Beach (today I think it was, mighta been yesterday that she got the picture.)
(http://www.cs.uwf.edu/~khaynes/bluebubble.jpg)
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Angels go supersonic at public airshows!?
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Plane doesn't have to fly +Mach1 for that. Air density and humidity are biggest factors afaik.
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Staga, you are an "owl" like me, writing to a BBS at 6 AM :)
Blue Angels are a good aerobatics team, but they fly specialy tweaked planes and in group pilotage keep a big distance, maybe 3 times more then Russian Knights, who fly combat Su-27s.
BTW, anyone planning to visit a Moscow airshow in August? Please, drop me a line!
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True true :D
This Cider is too good to leave to the table :)
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Staga, I drink coke with pure alcohol.
Drinking pure coke is pretty stupid :)
I'd prefer apple wine too, but it's not sold here in Moscow :) And i'm bored of beer :)
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Pivo huh?
Do they still sell it in jars?
BTW applevine is about the worst kind of alcohol to get.Carlo Rossi( all US people will know what I mean)is gourmet vine compared to that.
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Coke with 96% spirits will get you veeeery drunk.. :) My friends drink that almost exclusevily, but i prefer good 'ol 4,5% beer.
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This thread is HiJacked:
Just checked my home-bar:
1L Chivas Regal Whisky
1L Bell's Whisky
1L Bacardi white Rum
1L Lagavulin 16y Whisky
1L Finlandia 40% Vodka
1L Finlandia 50% Vodka
1,5L Campari bitter
0,5L Vana Tallinn Liqueur
0,5L Xante Cognag Liqueur
1L Meukow Cognac
1L Martell Noblige Cognac
0,7L Pol Remy sparkling wine
and 2 sixpacks of beer + 20 botles of Cider in cold :D
Couple friends are coming later to help me to get rid of some of that alcohol ;)
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btw Cider is not AppleWine as we know it; Manufacturing process is completely different. http://web.bham.ac.uk/GraftonG/cider/cider.htm (http://web.bham.ac.uk/GraftonG/cider/cider.htm)
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Yeah Cider rocks.. It tastes more like Sprite than white wine.. Bubbly, fresh and very easy to drink.
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S!
Uhhh..sweating like a pig,drummers inside my head and shaking hands :(And the Rumle is tonite...huh! :eek:Took maybe a tad too many Warsteiners yesterday after sauna while visiting a friend of mine.Hmm..*looking for stimulants to be OK before Rumble*...
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I just came back to home, I took my friends Moto-Guzzi for a little ride.
There's nothing like V-2 roaring 8000rpm thought my hands are still numb from those vibrations :D
Guess its time to have a drink :)
Have a nice weekend !
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36 inches is far apart boroda?
btw how many hours a month and year are the russian pilots getting these days?
what do ya mean by modified?
[ 07-14-2001: Message edited by: Dnil ]
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Angels go supersonic at public airshows!?
No way.
This effect is caused by going just under the speed of sound. The airflow on parts of the plane is faster than the flow in other parts. You'll notice the effect occurs on the downside of the wing and behind the canopy... where air will be moving faster. The airflow that is faster than the speed of sound can cause this effect.
AKDejaVu
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The one and only time I saw the blue angels they did this really cool trick where most of em do some low aerobatic stuff over the field to grab your attention. Meanwhile 2 circle around behind the crowd low and unseen. Then they come screamin in from behind and just overhead. They had to be goin coose to mach 1, noone even knew they were there till they were right on top of us.
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Well, Dnil, it's an impression from one of my friends who saw the Angels...
Knigts Su-27s are ordinary serial machines, with all weapon systems untouched, and they can simply loar missiles and cannon ammo and go to combat.
AFAIK Angels fly specialy "light" F-18s, with all equipment not nessesary for the aerobatics.
The picture is captioned "Hangover":
(http://195.208.34.2/uf/pokhmel.jpg)
:) :) :)
[ 07-15-2001: Message edited by: Boroda ]
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AFAIK Angels fly specialy "light" F-18s, with all equipment not nessesary for the aerobatics.
I'd have to see some proof of that. I have a tendancy to think you may be talking out your bellybutton here.
The pylons from any aircraft come off. The only things that wouldn't be used would be the wing pylon fuel pumps, attack radar and weapons systems. And, as a rule, its more difficult to take those things out than it is to just leave them.
Besides, I've seen many an airshow where a generic F/A-18 put on a better show than the Blue-Angels. An F/A-18 that is active duty from either a Marine base or a Canadian base.
The Blue-Angels and T-Birds are just painted pretty... with neet little smoke generators. Anything outside of that and I'd have to ask you to go on more than just "a friend told me".
AKDejaVu
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from what i know the f18s are initial low rate production models, basically early f18s. Also the angels dont fly with g-suits, I dont know of any other teams that dont use the suits. There is a great IMAX film of the angels, I am pretty sure it would change your mind boroda. Do they have IMAX theaters in Russia?
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Don't know what IMAX is :(
Ok, Deja and Dnil, I'll try to find you some sources. :)
Never thought about G-suits, have no idea if Knights use them and can't think about any reason why Angels don't.
Sorry, forgot to answer about flight hours per year. Last time it was discussed (maybe in mid-90s) they said - 40 hours. :( The average age of a fighter pilot was 36... Last year most of the fighter airschools were closed, I wonder if there still is one. No more then one now, I'm sure :( This process started in Gorbachev's "destroyka" times. I studied with the guys wrom dismissed fighter-schools, we had maybe a half-dozen who joined us on the second year in MSTU (Bauman's Rocket College), in 1990. They studied there for 2 yeras, finished lonely flights in Yak trainers and were already flying MiG-21s with instructors.
BTW, anyone coming to a Moscow Airshow in August? ;)
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with my new job there might be travel to russia in the future, I will look ya up boroda, would love to see some of the aircraft museums there.
As for the g-suits, it doesnt look good for their pre-takeoff display so they just dont wear um.
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http://www.blueangels.navy.mil/faq.htm (http://www.blueangels.navy.mil/faq.htm)
Why don't the pilots wear G-suits?
G-suits are designed with air bladders (pockets) which inflate and deflate to keep a pilots' blood from pooling in the pilots' legs while executing sharp, unpredicted combat maneuvers. Unlike combat flying, the Blue Angels demonstration pilots know the maneuvers they will fly prior to execution, each pilot knows when one will be pulling gravitational forces. Knowing and anticipating the changes in gravitational forces allows the Blue Angels demonstration pilots to combat the G-forces with muscle contractions. In addition, the Boeing F/A-18's control stick is mounted so it is centered between the pilot's legs. The Blue Angels have a spring, with 35 pounds of pressure, installed on the control stick which gives the pilot a "false feel, " allowing the pilot minimal room for uncommanded movement. The pilots rest their right arms on their thighs for support and stability while flying. The G-suits' inflating and deflating air bladders would interrupt this support and stability, causing uncommanded aircraft movement. Overall G-suits would detrimentally impact flight safety.
What are the fastest and slowest speeds flown during an air show?
The fastest speed is about 700 mph (just under Mach 1; sneak pass) and the slowest speed is about 120 mph (indicated speed; Section High Alpha), both flown by the solo pilots during the show.
What are the major differences between the fleet model and the Blue Angel F/A-18?
The Blue Angel F/A-18s have the nose cannon removed, a smoke-oil tank installed and a spring installed on the stick which applies pressure for better formation and inverted flying. Otherwise, the aircraft that the squadron flies are the same as those in the fleet. Each Blue Angel aircraft is fleet capable and able to return to combat duty aboard an aircraft carrier within 72 hours.
<EDIT> Since someone is going to ask...
http://www.airforce.com/thunderbirds/f-16_fact.htm (http://www.airforce.com/thunderbirds/f-16_fact.htm)
Thunderbird Modifications
Dogfight switch rewired to accommodate smoke oil on/off switch
Smoke oil safe switch added to right console
Smoke oil plumbing
Ammunition drum and cannon removed to accommodate smoke oil drum
The jet-fuel starter doors were removed
Thunderbird paint scheme and motif
[ 07-15-2001: Message edited by: Toad ]
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Who cares for pre-takeoff display? :)
Knights usually take off from Kubinka, fly to the airfield where they "perform" and then RTB.
Last time it was a Levashovo airfield near Leningrad, at least 600km from their base.
Have to finaly transcribe "Russian Knights" in Russian: they are "Ruuskiye Vityazi". "Vityaz'" is not exactly a "Knight", but just a proud and strong warrior, not nessesary a nobleman. The closest English word I can find is a "champion", but in this case it can be easily musunderstood.
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Toad, I am happy to announce that you broke down another Russocentric legend :)
I'll post your link in Russian flightsim echoes.
But I still think that 72 hours is too much, if they are not going to repaint their planes back to standard camo. ;)
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I think the biggest job would be replacing the cannon, boresighting it and making sure the electronics for it work correctly.
Paint? You should've seen how fast green things became tan colored back in '90. 72 hours? Not even.
Realistically, however, if it ever got down to where the handful of T-Bird or Blues planes were needed to make a difference it would mean we'd already lost. ;)
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Toad, a single Krasnodar type sub equipped with supersonic antiship missiles with nuclear warheads can wipe the whole American CV group from the ocean surface...
In case of total war you have to expect combat losses that US have never faced in it's history.
It's not like playing computer games from 10km high blowing down bridges over Danube.
Sorry for linking this thread with the other one.
Smoking 25th cigarette, 9 AM here, going to work without a single hour of sleep... I hate weekends. :)
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Toad, a single Krasnodar type sub equipped with supersonic antiship missiles with nuclear warheads can wipe the whole American CV group from the ocean surface...
In case of total war you have to expect combat losses that US have never faced in it's history.
For Russia or China it's not new. And I don't think that your country will start negotiations because "American people don't whant it".
It's not like playing computer games from 10km high blowing down bridges over Danube.
Sorry for linking this thread with the other one.
Smoking 25th cigarette, 9 AM here, going to work without a single hour of sleep... I hate weekends. :)
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"Toad, a single Krasnodar type sub equipped with supersonic antiship missiles with nuclear warheads can wipe the whole American CV group from the ocean surface..."
One word....
"Kursk".
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At least U.S subs are good for ramming civil-vessels...
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Boroda, why would we ever find ourselves at war with Russia?
What circumstances would precipitate a war between your country and mine?
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Sheesh, I produce a spiffy picture of a vapor bubble and you guys turn it into a
"my (insert whatever) is bigger than yours" thread????
"Our demo team flys war-ready birds"
"Ours fly without G-suits"
"We'd wipe out your CV fleet with one sub with nukes"
Honestly, who really frickin' cares which team is better, or who's country has the biggest weapons of destruction??? This was meant to be a post sharing what I thought to be a pretty cool picture with you guys. Maybe I was wrong in thinking you all would appreciate the picture. :(
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I liked the pic Nifty.
I merely posted links and comments from the Blues and T-Bird pages because I often wonder why people ponder such questions when two clicks on a search engine provide the answer.
There's far more than enough incorrect information floating around; why speculate when the answer is there waiting for you?
You'll note I'm not the one launching the "war scenarios" either. Merely commented on the website info about returning the aircraft to active duty.
Sorry if I stepped on your toes.
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toad, thats the official answer. Not necessarily the right one. I dont remember a time when they ever used them. :)
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Originally posted by Toad:
Sorry if I stepped on your toes.
It wasn't so much my toes per se as it was me posting a picture that sparked such debates. Hehe, I just want everyone to get along, play nice and stop comparing testosterone levels. ;)
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Nifty, there's only one guy in here rattling a sabre. It isn't me.
Like I said, nice picture!
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Sorry for a stupid post that dosn't belong to this thread, and again thanks to Toad for explaining some things that are "taken for granted" by most of the Russian aviation enthusiasts.
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Originally posted by Boroda:
Sorry for a stupid post that dosn't belong to this thread, and again thanks to Toad for explaining some things that are "taken for granted" by most of the Russian aviation enthusiasts.
:) One day, we'll all be on the same team.