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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Bruno on December 08, 2005, 01:04:22 AM
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First is Alfred Michel's (16./JG 53) Blau 2 Wrk. Nmbr. 462892 Shot down Jan '45 by Allied AAA during Operation Bodenplatte:
Gefreiter Alfred Michel (http://aerostories.free.fr/events/bodenplatte/)
Scroll down, some images on the bottom right.
(http://img106.potato.com/loc24/th_bfe_16JG53Michel.jpg) (http://img106.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=bfe_16JG53Michel.jpg)
(http://img109.potato.com/loc24/th_563_16JG53Michel2.jpg) (http://img109.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=563_16JG53Michel2.jpg)
(http://img22.potato.com/loc24/th_22f_16JG53Michel3.jpg) (http://img22.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=22f_16JG53Michel3.jpg)
The Second is Bf 109G-14 Wrk. Nmbr. 465548 as photographed by an Ami soldier at Neubiberg:
(http://img105.potato.com/loc24/th_cb8_JG52White21.jpg) (http://img105.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=cb8_JG52White21.jpg)
(http://img120.potato.com/loc24/th_97b_JG52White212.jpg) (http://img120.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=97b_JG52White212.jpg)
(http://img17.potato.com/loc24/th_60d_JG52White213.jpg) (http://img17.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=60d_JG52White213.jpg)
Actual Aircraft:
(http://img17.potato.com/loc24/th_ee0_G149.jpg) (http://img17.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=ee0_G149.jpg)
(http://img111.potato.com/loc24/th_485_G1410.jpg) (http://img111.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=485_G1410.jpg)
Ingore the Ailerons and Elevators they are place holders until I redo a new set. Also I need to tweak a few things but I figured I would post some images.
Wotan Mit Uns!!!
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I like 465548. They are both well done, but I don't like how dark 462892 is. Personal taste I figure.
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JG53 was painting their planes with 81/82/76 (upper coat camo = Braunviolet over Hellgrün / w. Graugrün undercoat).
The RVT band is black, with the RVT band the nose art was then painted over.
I lightened both the 81 / 82 some (opacity set to 90%) the black RVT band set at 80% opacity.
Some modelers used Dunkelgrau (RLM 74) instead of Braunviolet (RLM 81). RLM 74 is used on White 21 (the dark grey). I am almost positive from the pictures that 462892 was pinted with 81 rather then 74.
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Here's a variation with 81/82 (Gunze's H421 / H422)
Messerschmitt Bf 109G-14 16./JG53 , Gefreiter Alfred Michel, January 1 1945 (http://www.kitparade.com/gallery01/bf109g14cw_3.htm)
i will check various color charts and may lighten the 81 a bit...
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How does the image I posted compare to these colors for you?
81/82 over 76 (http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorserver/showcolor.asp?fs=30045,34096,36473)
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Interesting on the bottom actual photo I thought the guy looked like Merle Olmsted of the 357th FG who was well known for taking lots of photos. Dug out his history of the 357th and found this photo.
Same number etc but not white but black or a dark color.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/109JG52.jpg)
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A nice color shot of one of those 109s with the yellow nose band.
I kinda like the second one you did too Bruno. Both look good, but the colors just stand out more.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/Color109.jpg)
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The models don't look as dark.
I understand that some people are thinking AH shows everything darker than the skin maker intends. Many people run with gamma set a little bit higher and for those of us who don't sometimes the skins look dark if the skinner didn't compensate.
I could be off, but that is what I heard.
When I hold a translucent copy of the images over eachother the model is lighter in color. When I hold the images over the color code the model is lighter than the color code and the screenshots are darker than the color code.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
A nice color shot of one of those 109s with the yellow nose band.
I kinda like the second one you did too Bruno. Both look good, but the colors just stand out more.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/Color109.jpg)
Ohhh shes a dirty girl:eek: :D
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Interesting on the bottom actual photo I thought the guy looked like Merle Olmsted of the 357th FG who was well known for taking lots of photos. Dug out his history of the 357th and found this photo.
Same number etc but not white but black or a dark color.
Different plane type as well, notice the lack of 'bulges', its probranly a G-10.
Black 12 is a G-10 from a NAGR gruppe (12 IIRC). Its a skin we did did for the AH G-10 when I planned the Kurland event.
Its nothing to lighten up Blau 2, I will post more pics later for comparison.
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Lightened:
(http://img109.potato.com/loc52/th_e1b_16JG53Michel4.jpg) (http://img109.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc52&image=e1b_16JG53Michel4.jpg)
old image:
(http://img106.potato.com/loc24/th_bfe_16JG53Michel.jpg) (http://img106.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=bfe_16JG53Michel.jpg)
lightened:
(http://img106.potato.com/loc66/th_819_16JG53Michel5.jpg) (http://img106.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc66&image=819_16JG53Michel5.jpg)
old image:
(http://img109.potato.com/loc24/th_563_16JG53Michel2.jpg) (http://img109.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=563_16JG53Michel2.jpg)
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I prefer the lightened version.
But YMMV
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I like the lightened one too!
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I lightened it some more and changed the tone slighlty to a more of brown (less violet). I will post a an updated image tomorrow.
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(http://img21.potato.com/loc24/th_ee4_JG52White21.jpg) (http://img21.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=ee4_JG52White21.jpg)
(http://img19.potato.com/loc24/th_62c_JG52White212.jpg) (http://img19.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=62c_JG52White212.jpg)
(http://img102.potato.com/loc24/th_c03_JG52White213.jpg) (http://img102.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=c03_JG52White213.jpg)
(http://img41.potato.com/loc24/th_814_JG53Michel.jpg) (http://img41.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=814_JG53Michel.jpg)
(http://img12.potato.com/loc24/th_e94_JG53Michel2.jpg) (http://img12.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=e94_JG53Michel2.jpg)
(http://img23.potato.com/loc24/th_b8e_JG53Michel3.jpg) (http://img23.potato.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=b8e_JG53Michel3.jpg)
Thats should be it unless anyone sees anything that needs work...
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I think it looks pretty good
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Perfect!
If I ever skin 109s in those RLM colors again, I'd use those colors as a reference Bruno.
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The thing about 81 / 82 / 76 is that RLM banned the use of 74 / 75 in favor of 81 / 82 in late Aug '44.
Most of the factories producing 109s continued using the old colors until they ran out of stock. Most of the aircraft were assembled from pre-painted parts. This why you sometimes see mixes of various paint combinations on the late 109s. Not to mention the fact that many field units also re-camouflaged planes according to what they felt was necessary or had on hand. You can see this among Fw 190 Schlacht units for example(most Fw 190 Fs were still in the old RLM 74/75 camo).
There is no general rule for RLM colors late in the war. Basically you'd need specific data on the plane you wish to paint to make any plausible comments. Even then the tones and variations of the colors are as numerous as there were people mixing the paint. There is plenty of room for variations and 'artistic expression'.
Now on the AH's 'darkeness':
For some reason I need to set my gamma in AH to .6 (that' 6), I hear most others commenting on how dark AH is and them having to lighten (+1.0 gamma) the game up.
On the machine I play AH on I have a Radeon X800pro, 24" widescreen lcd. I calibrated the colors using adobe gamma and the auto test feature on the monitor.
For FB/AP/PF I use 'smart shaders' to give the game a more toned down look. Rather then bright green terrain its more subtle etc...
In AH I don't use them, just reduced the gamma to .6.
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Most modern large-resolution LCDs are far too bright. The white is too radiant white. Try calibrating your "bright" levels with the gamma when you get some time. Find a greyscale from black to white (a gradiant or something) or use the image that comes in your video card properties as a base (somtimes its a smiling girl holding a flower, I've seen that a lot, my current one is of a jeep on the beach with a blue sky overhead).
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I did that with adobe gamma and the Monitor itself has a manual or auto adjustment...
You can go here to do a check as well:
Color charts (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/colours/colorindex.html)
scroll to the buttom of the first page...
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I know I've got a relatively well balanced monitor and vid card, because of the way everything looks. If I up my brightness any more my monitor looks like crap, whites become glowing bright whites.
Well using that gradient image, I can't see the difference between black1 and black2, and only after looking at it for a second can I see a slight difference between black1/2 and black3. If you can see black1 and black2 your monitor might be a tad bright. That's just going by my standards, mind you.
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In any of those gradient test you should see sublte changes with each segment. As I said I use 2 other programs to calibrate my monitor. If your whites are 'too white' that's an issue with contrast not necessarily with 'brightness' or 'gamma'.