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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: fartwinkle on December 08, 2005, 01:00:07 PM
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25 years ago tonight.
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I was 16 at the time. I remember all too well when the breaking news interrupted the program I was watching, I cant even recall what I was watching....at first Lennon was reported as shot and wounded. About an hour later they came on saying he was dead as a result of the wounds.
Just goes to show you, dont take life for granted. Never know when some sick POS is going to give it to you.
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Sorry but it was a mercy killing!
His/our suffering began when he married Yoko!
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never having been a beatle's fan and always having thought of john lennon as a twit I clearly remember thinking "did his album really suck that bad?" Then continuing enjoying The Marshal Tucker Band album we were playing when my friend robert told me the sad news.
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Dimebag Darrel RIP, and John, 24 years apart same day.
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I was watching Monday night football and Howard Cosell anounced that John Lennon had been shot dead.
found this link. cut ten towards the bottom is a clip of Cosell's anouncement
Howard Cosell anounces John Lennons murder (http://oldies.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=oldies&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.995themountain.com%2Fguides%2Faahtml%2Fjohnaudio.html)
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Originally posted by FuBaR
Dimebag Darrel RIP, and John, 24 years apart same day.
Yes RIP Dimebag he was a local boy had a friend who went to high school with him.
Said he was a very giving person.
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The only difference between "dime bag" and John Lennon is that one had a real talent.
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Originally posted by storch
never having been a beatle's fan and always having thought of john lennon as a twit I clearly remember thinking "did his album really suck that bad?" Then continuing enjoying The Marshal Tucker Band album we were playing when my friend robert told me the sad news.
One of my Nomad squaddies in Airwarrior was a founding member of MTB. He'd disagree with your comment on the Beatles and Lennon, Storch.
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Originally posted by NUKE
The only difference between "dime bag" and John Lennon is that one had a real talent.
NUKE, you should read that book that I've just read, all about John. It leads me to believe that John wasn't as great as people think he was. Apparently the real guitar talent in the band was George Harrison, who Cynthia implies was rather better than John. And... many of John's compositions in the New York/Yoko Ono years were frankly crap. And he could only be the person he wanted to be when he was doped up on LSD, which was pretty much every day when he was still married to Cynthia.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
One of my Nomad squaddies in Airwarrior was a founding member of MTB. He'd disagree with your comment on the Beatles and Lennon, Storch.
that would be what makes horse races and many other things.
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Originally posted by NUKE
The only difference between "dime bag" and John Lennon is that one had a real talent.
Yep, Dime Bag was talented allright.
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Originally posted by beet1e
NUKE, you should read that book that I've just read, all about John. It leads me to believe that John wasn't as great as people think he was. Apparently the real guitar talent in the band was George Harrison, who Cynthia implies was rather better than John. And... many of John's compositions in the New York/Yoko Ono years were frankly crap. And he could only be the person he wanted to be when he was doped up on LSD, which was pretty much every day when he was still married to Cynthia.
Nobody I know of thinks of Lennon as a great guitar player, but you don't need to be great at playing, just good enough to get the song across.
I know a lot of really good guitar players, but none can really wright a good or interesting song. George Harrison was okay on guitar, and had a couple of good songs. He was not in the same league as John Lennon or Paul McCartney though.
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Originally posted by NUKE
you don't need to be great at playing, just good enough to get the song across.
Well that's just it, but according to some of the critics here, he couldn't even do that - in the New York years. He was also an intensely jealous person, and did not provide adequately for his wife Cynthia and their son Julian when he left them or, more accurately, after he ordered them out of the house they'd shared - Kenwood, in St. George's estate, Weybridge. Great man? Hmmm...
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Originally posted by beet1e
NUKE, you should read that book that I've just read, all about John. It leads me to believe that John wasn't as great as people think he was. Apparently the real guitar talent in the band was George Harrison,
Thought this was common knowledge.
I remember seeing a show on the beatles several years ago where the remaining beatles all pretty much said that Harrison was the best guitarist in the band.
Lennon and Mcartney were the songwriters
And oh what songs.
Imagine,
Help
Happy Christmas(war is over)
Come together
A Day n the Life
You've got to hide your love away
etc etc
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Originally posted by beet1e
Well that's just it, but according to some of the critics here, he couldn't even do that - in the New York years. He was also an intensely jealous person, and did not provide adequately for his wife Cynthia and their son Julian when he left them or, more accurately, after he ordered them out of the house they'd shared - Kenwood, in St. George's estate, Weybridge. Great man? Hmmm...
Two paragraphs about sum up Lennon and the Beatles.
Doesnt matter what the critics here say. Particularly since none have acheived anywhere near either of the following.
When they have. Then they can talk like they know something.;)
"In his remarkable lifetime, John Lennon and the Beatles achieved spectacular worldwide fame. No band before or after them has come close to the level of success and popularity that they attained.
Throughout the 1960s, Lennon and his bandmates, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, and song-writing partner Paul McCartney had an extraordinary influence on rock and roll. Together with McCartney, Lennon wrote dozens of instant classics which lost none of their power in the decades that followed. These songs are so well known that their melodies and lyrics are recognized instantly all over the world."
As far as his split.
I doubt very much they were hurting financially. But either way it shows he was human like the rest of us an on a personal level not much different then millions of other men, and women who do the same exact thing every day
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Two paragraphs about sum up Lennon and the Beatles.
Doesnt matter what the critics here say. Particularly since none have acheived anywhere near either of the following.
When they have. Then they can talk like they know something.;)
"In his remarkable lifetime, John Lennon and the Beatles achieved spectacular worldwide fame. No band before or after them has come close to the level of success and popularity that they attained.
Throughout the 1960s, Lennon and his bandmates, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, and song-writing partner Paul McCartney had an extraordinary influence on rock and roll. Together with McCartney, Lennon wrote dozens of instant classics which lost none of their power in the decades that followed. These songs are so well known that their melodies and lyrics are recognized instantly all over the world."
As far as his split.
I doubt very much they were hurting financially. But either way it shows he was human like the rest of us an on a personal level not much different then millions of other men, and women who do the same exact thing every day
Well said.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Well that's just it, but according to some of the critics here, he couldn't even do that - in the New York years. He was also an intensely jealous person, and did not provide adequately for his wife Cynthia and their son Julian when he left them or, more accurately, after he ordered them out of the house they'd shared - Kenwood, in St. George's estate, Weybridge. Great man? Hmmm...
With all due respect for your right to your opinion beetle...if it was not for the character flawed talentless types like John lennon, on what would you base your superiority?
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Originally posted by aztec
With all due respect for your right to your opinion beetle...if it was not for the character flawed talentless types like John lennon, on what would you base your superiority?
I didn't say he was talentless. I said his work in New York was lacklustre compared with what went before, and I expressed the belief that he wasn't the "great man" that many people seem to think he was. That is all.
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Here's my belief beetle. The man took a bullet and is dead. To denigrate him here on the anniversery of his death is as rude, crude and tasteless as the raking over the coals you recieved here as a result of someone running their fat yap about your personal life. Just sayin.
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Originally posted by aztec
Here's my belief beetle. The man took a bullet and is dead. To denigrate him here on the anniversery of his death is as rude, crude and tasteless as the raking over the coals you recieved here as a result of someone running their fat yap about your personal life. Just sayin.
Actually, he took about fours bullets. And I'm not denigrating him. I'm just saying what I believe to be true. I have read the biographical account by his first wife, and she was treated shabbily by John. The first Cynthia knew of Yoko's existence was when she returned to the family home to find her and John doing Yoga exercises together. Neither Yoko nor John had any misgivings about that. Cynthia was ordered to pack up and leave within a few weeks of that. OK, John might have had some artistic talent, but as for being a "great man" - don't think so. YMMV
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Originally posted by beet1e
Actually, he took about fours bullets. And I'm not denigrating him. I'm just saying what I believe to be true. I have read the biographical account by his first wife, and she was treated shabbily by John. The first Cynthia knew of Yoko's existence was when she returned to the family home to find her and John doing Yoga exercises together. Neither Yoko nor John had any misgivings about that. Cynthia was ordered to pack up and leave within a few weeks of that. OK, John might have had some artistic talent, but as for being a "great man" - don't think so. YMMV
What the heck does being a chitty husband have to do with paying respects to a man that changed the face of music in this country and others?
I could care less about his personal life as it was none of my buisness.
What I do care about was his ability to write some of the most timeless music of our time.
You know judgemental people are most offten than not the ones with all the bones in there closets.
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I read somewhere that lennon was a rapist, that he had raped a young woman in his art college days and that he damn near kicked a man to death after he suckerpunched him down out cold, in his early years of course. Lennon was a great lyricist when he was motivated by McCartney, out of jealously no doubt. Yep...some people think Lennon got a fatal dose of Karma that cold December night.....
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
You know judgemental people are most offten than not the ones with all the bones in there closets.
You talking about Cynthia then? Because I was referring to her book about John...
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"Working Class Hero" is a great example of Lennon's great voice, pretty raw and with just a simple guitar backing and some good lyrics.
I'm not much into his solo stuff though. Some other solo songs that I like are: Imagine, Beautiful Boy, Watching the Wheels (good lyrics), Instant Karma.
Never cared much about how he lived his life. I'm not someone who thinks celebraties are something special as people.
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Originally posted by beet1e
I have read the biographical account by his first wife, and she was treated shabbily by John.
:rofl :aok
First wife? Yep , no chance for a biased opinion there.
The naive crack me up.
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would he still be alive if the us had British gun laws?;)
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Also sam cook johnny Ace & Kurt cohbain albeit the Last two by their own hand:(
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Well, his music was good, so is McCartney's, and them together as a team - whoa - tops everything.
My daughter at 1 already liked Lennon's "Imagine" for instance ;)
A bad loss. McCartney just published an excellent album, and I wish Lennon was alive and doing something good as well.
:(
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I think Chapman would have killed John Lennon with a plastic fork if thats all he had available to him. A better question to ask might be this: Would Lennon still be alive if he had not been such a dorkchorkler?
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Originally posted by Jackal1
:rofl :aok
First wife? Yep , no chance for a biased opinion there.
The naive crack me up.
Oh! In cases of dispute involving man v. woman, based on your previous posts, I thought you took the woman's word as sacrosanct! :lol
I'll pass on your regards to my lunch partner tomorrow. (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/xmas.gif)
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Originally posted by beet1e
Oh! In cases of dispute involving man v. woman, based on your previous posts, I thought you took the woman's word as sacrosanct! :lol
I'll pass on your regards to my lunch partner tomorrow. (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/xmas.gif)
Oh I see. So you are divorced and she is your first wife?
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Originally posted by scott123
Also sam cook johnny Ace & Kurt cohbain albeit the Last two by their own hand:(
with the exception of sam cook's, those weapons should be enshrined somewhere.
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Originally posted by scott123
would he still be alive if the us had British gun laws?;)
No one gets shot in Britain anymore?:huh
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Originally posted by Slash27
No one gets shot in Britain anymore?:huh
It's the safest country on the Earth. Ask Beetle.
Karaya
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Originally posted by beet1e
NUKE, you should read that book that I've just read, all about John. It leads me to believe that John wasn't as great as people think he was. Apparently the real guitar talent in the band was George Harrison, who Cynthia implies was rather better than John. And... many of John's compositions in the New York/Yoko Ono years were frankly crap. And he could only be the person he wanted to be when he was doped up on LSD, which was pretty much every day when he was still married to Cynthia.
Beetle, you could learn a valuable lesson from Lennon. Practicing what you preach. To sit here and criticize him further enhances the point. I know, Double Fantasy was such a crappy record. Not to mention that Lennon preferred the NYC lifestyle, as opposed to the London scene. Harrison preferred it, but had trouble getting a visa. He NEVER claimed to be a "great person that all people should strive to be". However, he did have the balls to tell the truth. "Right now, we're probably more popular than Jesus".
Who gives a damn that one of the greatest songwriters of all-time was "not a great guitar player"? I'm failing to get the correlation here.
Karaya
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I believe that NYC has about as strict a gun laws as limeyland.
lazs
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Yeager:
"I think Chapman would have killed John Lennon with a plastic fork if thats all he had available"
Ok, tell me, would you rather be attacked with a plastic fork or a handgun?
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Ok, tell me, would you rather be attacked with a plastic fork or a handgun?
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Your serious arent you?
Let me say this about that. If i knew I was going to be killed and I had a choice........a clean shot through the brain would be a million times more preferrable than being stabbed 10,000 times by a plastic fork for about 20/30 minutes until my central nervous system just shut down and I bled out.
What about you? if you knew you were going to be killed by one or the other, which would you prefer :rofl
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I would shoot you through the brain with a clean shot but unfortunatley I can't buy a Gun in this country.....anyone got a plastic fork?;)
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I said attack, not kill.
So would you rather have some nitwit attacking you with a plastic fork or a handgun?
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so iceland has banned knives and clubs and fists and feet? How long before they get around to plastic forks?
lazs
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No, we have most stuff except HANDGUNS.
reasons:
1. easily conceilable
2. not practically appliable in shooting anything we shoot up here.
3. highly effective in shooting humans at close range, which is....forbidden.
FYI, I do have firearms in the home ;)
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well....Lennon was attacked, and died as a result...I guess....I thought thats what we were talking about here.
I think MDC could probably have killed lennon with a plastic fork if he took careful aim and followed through with a deep thrombic thrust.
Perhaps if Lennon had a plastic fork on him he could have fought off MDCs "38-special attack"....
What are you getting at?
Oh! I get it :aok
If some nitwit were attacking me with a p[lastic fork I would shoot that nitwit with my Glock19. And yes, I would prefer the nitwit have a plastic fork instead of a gun, but I accept that most nitwits stay at home and type idiotic things across the inTARDnet to other nitwits :eek:
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did anyone catch paul mccartney's interview on XM satellite radio last night?
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Nope.
Anyway, Lennon would probably have liked this thread.
Then he would have written a song about plastic forks.
"Fight wars with plastic forks" or something like that :D
(bet the casualties of such a war would be rather lower)
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Originally posted by Angus
Nope.
Anyway, Lennon would probably have liked this thread.
Then he would have written a song about plastic forks.
"Fight wars with plastic forks" or something like that :D
(bet the casualties of such a war would be rather lower)
nope. boroda's side would dip their forks in feces to cause secondary and fatal infections from even slight gashes.
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Dip'em in old Kaviar :rofl