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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1K3 on December 08, 2005, 07:50:14 PM
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man that's embarrasing...
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Thing that cracks me up is they paid to get in
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"Music that seemed to come from somewhere in the raucous audience that packed the Jorgensen Center at the University of Connecticut Wednesday night brought Ann Coulter's speech to an abrupt end about 15 minutes after she started.
After waiting with her bodyguard on stage for several minutes for the music to stop while a section of the audience chanted "You suck, you suck," an irritated Coulter said she would not finish her speech. She said she would go straight to questions and answers, suggesting the disruption was the best the liberals could do to counter her."
Drowning out the opposing opinion seems to be the popular thing nowadays. I blame the political talk shows, where it is mandatory that no one gets the opportunity to finish a complete sentence without being yelled at or talked over.
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Who is trying to suppress ideas again?
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O'Reily Factor compared those party poopers (anti-Coulters) to the Nazis
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Originally posted by 1K3
O'Reily Factor compared those party poopers (anti-Coulters) to the Nazis
I'll stop just short of saying its a pretty fair comparison.
But just short
People payed money to get in just so they could keep her from talking and delivering a speach the university itself payed her to give?
Like her or not. Thats not exactly being open to hear a different view which was the entire reason the university asked her to come there
IMO the sudents involved should have some severe diciplinary action taken against them.
and just for the record I'd feel the same way if it were done to M Moore.
A+ to the university for trying to bring in an opposing view
F- to the students for their actions
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I think it's pretty funny. They should have brought in eggs though...it could have been funnier.
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Yes. A bunch of girly men throwing eggs like girls at a girl who is more of a man then they could ever hope to be.
Remember the last time something like this happened?
Two commies threw pies at her from 5 feet away.
[SIZE=8]AND MISSED![/SIZE]
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See Rule #7
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She reep what her sow.
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See Rule #16
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WTF is a human rights major?
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First off, I'm probably more Conservative than Liberal but I'm fairly close to center with mixed opinions and ideals.
Coulter is rude, obnoxious, arrogant, and full of nothing but hatred of anything that she views is an opposing opinion.
However, going to hear her speak, paying money to get in, not listening to what she has to say, and preventing her from speaking at all is exactly what is wrong with the newest generation and politics today. Their whole display is akin to putting your hands over your ears and yelling like a 5 year old.
Again, BOTH polar opposites need to grow up and start remembering we are all Americans, before it is too late. Sadly, part of me wishes for another disaster to hit our shores to give us another two years of non-partisanship.
Ah yes, a beautiful country with a two party system... (and don't say the Independents have a voice)
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Well this is nothing new.
I've seen liberals do this my whole life so you can't say it's the new kids.
Anytime there is a debate of any kind Liberals will say their piece then interupt the conservitive while they try to say theirs.
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I hear an egg hit her adams apple
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Originally posted by Sixpence
I hear an egg hit her adams apple
Well, yeah but it wasn't fair: The guy was aiming at a wall and the dang thing got in the way.
You know why she likes Dick Cheney?
Because Wyoming is larger then her Adam's Apple.
Sakai
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Originally posted by 1K3
O'Reily Factor compared those party poopers (anti-Coulters) to the Nazis
O'Reilly, who famously screams people down and has their mike cutoff is your source for such comparative distinctions?
I am still wiping tears from my eyes 20 minutes after first reading this.
Sakai
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Ya know as someone who watch’s O'Reilly I can tell you I have never seen him shut off a mic.
As far as the yelling down.....yes he does do that at times and it is annoying but some people deserve it.
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coulter is a model citizen looking for a banana republic.
her favourite book is the bible, the women is a vegetarian but still likes the bone.
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Originally posted by Mighty1
Ya know as someone who watch’s O'Reilly I can tell you I have never seen him shut off a mic.
As far as the yelling down.....yes he does do that at times and it is annoying but some people deserve it.
By that logic and defense, then Ann must have deserved it....i guess.
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Originally posted by Mighty1
Ya know as someone who watch’s O'Reilly I can tell you I have never seen him shut off a mic.
As far as the yelling down.....yes he does do that at times and it is annoying but some people deserve it.
I have several times,a nd seen him scream people down.
So some people deserve it, but Coulter does not?
That isn't consistent application of moral principles.
Sakai
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See Rule #4, #5
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Originally posted by lazs2
See Rule #4, #5
So it's hateful to poke fun at the obvious?
Come on, this woman said Max Cleland was lucky to have three limbs blown off in nam, screamed at a legless VietNam vet, said everyone but her kind should die, and this is excused as humor.
But pointing out the awkward obvious is "hatred"?
Your position is not supportable.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Sakai
So it's hateful to poke fun at the obvious?
Come on, this woman said Max Cleland was lucky to have three limbs blown off in nam, screamed at a legless VietNam vet, said everyone but her kind should die, and this is excused as humor.
But pointing out the awkward obvious is "hatred"?
Your position is not supportable.
Sakai
Links?
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Torque would you say she is a new age girl?
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Links?
"Max Cleland should stop allowing Democrats to portray him as a war hero who lost his limbs taking enemy fire on the battlefields of Vietnam," she writes, claiming that he "lost three limbs in an accident during a routine non-combat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. In fact, Cleland could have dropped a grenade on his foot as a National Guardsman. ... Luckily for Cleland’s political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam."
Oh, if only there was some large and possibly world wide database that one could search.
Let me know if you really need more.
;-)
Sakai
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Originally posted by Sakai
"Max Cleland should stop allowing Democrats to portray him as a war hero who lost his limbs taking enemy fire on the battlefields of Vietnam," she writes, claiming that he "lost three limbs in an accident during a routine non-combat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. In fact, Cleland could have dropped a grenade on his foot as a National Guardsman. ... Luckily for Cleland’s political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam."
Oh, if only there was some large and possibly world wide database that one could search.
Let me know if you really need more.
;-)
Sakai
So it's hateful to poke fun at the obvious? I love it how you won't defend Howard Dean's comments and dismiss them as retoric. But at least there's no one trying to physically shut him with his speech being just as hatefully and dangerous as Coulters.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
So it's hateful to poke fun at the obvious? I love it how you won't defend Howard Dean's comments and dismiss them as retoric. But at least there's no one trying to physically shut him with his speech being just as hatefully and dangerous as Coulters.
I love how the right screams at the top of its lungs at eveyrone then cries foul when anyone talks back.
The hatred campaigns are a specialty of the right, I'd have to ask myself if I were you why I felt that was supportable and acceptable behavior?
Why is it that all factual data undermines your position and supports mine but no one can talk about it becaus eyou don't like it? Is that really acceptable?
The GOP has created the current political atmosphere and now cries about how awful everything is.
This is shameful and disengeuous to my opinion.
In 20 years when my kid is flying I'll ask him if there are still a bunch of embittered oldtimers complaining that the nation, although humming along smoothly, was somehow ruined by people poiting out the obvious.
Sakai
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I don't pay much attention to Ann because she is waaaay over there >>>> from my political beliefs, however I will say I enjoy the entertainment that she provides indirectly by pissing off the liberals to the point that they attempt to deny her 1st amendment rights. Irony at its finest!
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
"Music that seemed to come from somewhere in the raucous audience that packed the Jorgensen Center at the University of Connecticut Wednesday night brought Ann Coulter's speech to an abrupt end about 15 minutes after she started.
After waiting with her bodyguard on stage for several minutes for the music to stop while a section of the audience chanted "You suck, you suck," an irritated Coulter said she would not finish her speech. She said she would go straight to questions and answers, suggesting the disruption was the best the liberals could do to counter her."
Drowning out the opposing opinion seems to be the popular thing nowadays. I blame the political talk shows, where it is mandatory that no one gets the opportunity to finish a complete sentence without being yelled at or talked over.
"Meet the Press" is the only credible political talk show. All the others are pure garbage.
Furthermore, anyone who thinks Coulter is even the least bit attractive are no more instinctive than a striper hitting a yellow bucktail. Some guys -clearly the desperate type..always go for any underweight blonde female.
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Originally posted by Sakai
"Max Cleland should stop allowing Democrats to portray him as a war hero who lost his limbs taking enemy fire on the battlefields of Vietnam," she writes, claiming that he "lost three limbs in an accident during a routine non-combat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. In fact, Cleland could have dropped a grenade on his foot as a National Guardsman. ... Luckily for Cleland’s political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam."
Oh, if only there was some large and possibly world wide database that one could search.
Let me know if you really need more.
;-)
Sakai
If she is right then she has a point.
Either way, at their best these folks are no better than the worst of what they accuse her of. Way to make a point:aok
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Originally posted by Sakai
The hatred campaigns are a specialty of the right, ...
never visited http://www.whywehatebush.com/
It's the first of the 21,800,000 hits google lists for "Hate Bush"
Yeah, lefties don't hate.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
"Meet the Press" is the only credible political talk show. All the others are pure garbage.
I agree. I used to watch ABC's This Week but it got old watching Cokie Roberts and George Snuffalupogous talk over and interrupt people all of the time.
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On April 8, 1968, during the siege of Khe Sanh, he stepped off a helicopter and saw a grenade at his feet. He thought he'd dropped it. He was wrong. When he reached down to pick it up, it exploded, ripping off both legs and his right hand. He was 25.
Not quite how Coulter portrayed it.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
never visited http://www.whywehatebush.com/
It's the first of the 21,800,000 hits google lists for "Hate Bush"
Yeah, lefties don't hate.
Straw man argument, address the point at hand: the GOP created the current political atmosphere of hatred and attack, they can't cry now.
I thought conservatives did not believe in moral relativism? Oh well. Odd how one week they espouse one belief, next week another yet it is always someone else's fault . . .
Like I said, I'll have my son count the embittered souls in 20 years. I went through this with the right wing and Viet Nam, they were dead wrong then, they're dead wrong now. And they're still crying wolf.
Why would anyone take guys like Hannity, Rove and the like seriously anymore?
Oh I forgot, 70% of the nation and the rest of the world doesn't.
But if we just click our heels together and say "There's no place like home . . ."
Sakai
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
If she is right then she has a point.
Either way, at their best these folks are no better than the worst of what they accuse her of. Way to make a point:aok
According to Cleland's CO she is a damned liar.
Personally, I'll take the COs word over Ann Coulter's for what actually occurred in Viet Nam.
I wouldn't let that stop certain folks from making excuses for Iron Annie though. Me personally? Never was one for thinking moral relativism was a cool creed to live by.
Peace out,
;-)
Sakai
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Originally posted by lazs2
See Rule #4, #5
speak for yourself , I'm not attracted by shemale.
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He normally screams at liberals who won't shut up or anyone (both sides) that is just spouting party talking points.
Obviously you don't watch his show often or you would know this.
And yes there is a time and a place for shouting someone down but it is not in a public forum when someone is paid to be there AND guest pay to hear her speak.
I don't think it was right when they did it to Hillary nor Ann.
It's funny it almost always seems to be liberals who interrupt these forums. The more liberal they are the ruder they are.
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I have come to the conclusion that Ann Coulter is a *****. I have come to this conclusion by reading her articles and listening to her speeches. If people do not give her the opportunity to speak, they are not allowing themselves to opportunity to come to the same conclusion that I have. :D
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Originally posted by Mighty1
It's funny it almost always seems to be liberals who interrupt these forums. The more liberal they are the ruder they are.
As we said " il n'y a pas de pire aveugle que celui qui ne veut pas voir"
or if you prefer : "There are none so blind as they who will not see"
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Yelling over someone is a favorite tactic of many liberals who can not risk fact and reason being brought into an arguement against them. James Carville is one of the very worst at this. If he cant beat you with intelligence or fact, he just doesnt allow you to speak. He is one snake headed horses ass.
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Originally posted by Dago
Yelling over someone is a favorite tactic of many liberals who can not risk fact and reason being brought into an arguement against them. James Carville is one of the very worst at this. If he cant beat you with intelligence or fact, he just doesnt allow you to speak. He is one snake headed horses ass.
Kind of like Sean Hannity.
But back to Coulter, she should have a thicker skin, she is nothing more than neocon Michael Moore.
They both stir the pot to sell more books or tickets and laff all the way to the bank, I'm sure they both take great delight in how easy it is to point and light thier respective non-thinking followers.
shamus
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Originally posted by Sakai
Straw man argument, address the point at hand: the GOP created the current political atmosphere of hatred and attack, they can't cry now.
During the campaign of President Jackson personal attack was the order of the day, before the GOP existed.
The political atmosphere of hatred and attack has been with us since and probably before the Roman Senate.
You criticize the right for hatred but give a pass on the left then call my post pointing that out as a straw man? Ignoring the facts is not a good tactic if you wish to learn the truth.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
During the campaign of President Jackson personal attack was the order of the day, before the GOP existed.
The political atmosphere of hatred and attack has been with us since and probably before the Roman Senate.
You criticize the right for hatred but give a pass on the left then call my post pointing that out as a straw man? Ignoring the facts is not a good tactic if you wish to learn the truth.
No, and no one said that.
Also, there were lots of things people did two hundred years ago they don't do now--like own slaves so the Canard just keeps on growing doesn't it?
Sakai
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That makes a lot of sense...:rolleyes:
I guess you didn't have an argument...
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
I have come to the conclusion that Ann Coulter is a *****. I have come to this conclusion by reading her articles and listening to her speeches. If people do not give her the opportunity to speak, they are not allowing themselves to opportunity to come to the same conclusion that I have. :D
I don't disagree with you.
The issue is should she or anyone be interupted by hecklers everytime they speak?
My thought is "No". If someone wants her to come speak she should be allowed to without interuptions. Same goes for Hillary or whom ever.
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Originally posted by straffo
As we said " il n'y a pas de pire aveugle que celui qui ne veut pas voir"
or if you prefer : "There are none so blind as they who will not see"
Funny someone from France telling me I'm somehow missing something! Your country can't even tell when there is a riot going on.
As we say France "Home of the blind!" or if you prefer La France "La terre de l'abat-jour !".
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Cannot resist a bit of country bashing ?
bahhh ... you're so weak I pity you.
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One question....
When was the last time a Liberal had people arrested for protesting them, arrested for attending a speach where they talked/'protested' out of turn?
It's pretty easy to find republican examples.
Kettle, Meet Pot.
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I guess some of you think it is alright for a few foolish liberals to drown out Coulter while ignoring the rights of all the others who paid to hear her speak? So what if they paid money and wanted to hear her, whether they agreed with her or not? If your a liberal, you get to decide and the heck with everyone else.
Typical arrogant pompousity of the left.
dago
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Originally posted by Mighty1
I don't disagree with you.
The issue is should she or anyone be interupted by hecklers everytime they speak?
My thought is "No". If someone wants her to come speak she should be allowed to without interuptions. Same goes for Hillary or whom ever.
I agree with you on this Mighty, but I will say I didn't mind the NYPD and FDNY shouting down Hillary. I figured they earned that much.
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Boooooooooooooooooooooo!
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Originally posted by Stringer
I agree with you on this Mighty, but I will say I didn't mind the NYPD and FDNY shouting down Hillary. I figured they earned that much.
Well some would write that off as arrogant pomposity of the left.
shamus
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Originally posted by BluKitty
One question....
When was the last time a Liberal had people arrested for protesting them, arrested for attending a speach where they talked/'protested' out of turn?
It's pretty easy to find republican examples.
Kettle, Meet Pot.
OK...find republican examples. Link them. Show that the people detained were NOT trying to completely disrupt the event and were merely arrested for being there.
Here's one for the commies.....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40929 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40929)
Charges were eventually dropped, and now the philly DA's office is being looked at for collusion with the gay organizations to illegally limit the public free speech of the Christians.
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Here's one for the commies.....
Ahhh yes... my favorite conservitive response.
If you dissagree, you're un-patriotic.
If you call attention to a mistake, you're un-American.
I could go on... But I'm waiting for the ghost of Joseph McCarthy to come by... he seems to be in the area
:noid
Apparently this nation only belongs to people that go to the right church, voted for Bush, and never ever ever listen to the opinions of the 5 Billion other residents of this planet.
Talk about arrogance... :rolleyes:
My friends on the Right... I know there are a million things we progressives do that drive you nuts... like advocate for workers rights (enjoy your weekend off by the way), defend civil liberties (The ACLU even defends the 2nd Amendment...who knew?), and lead the free world to victory in the largest conflict in human history (Thank you Presidents Roosevelt and Truman) all while developing a social insurance program that has kept millions of senior citizens from abject poverty...(what a bunch of commies)
But please... for the love of God (or for the love of the higher power of your choice... or for all you athiests out there - whatever it is you hold dear... spoken like the good progressive that I am :rofl ) ... stop attacking us by questioning our love and devotion to our country just because you don't like what we're saying or you can't come up with a decent rebuke. Its as infuriating as it is pathetic.
Now...back to what this thread was about.
It was wrong for those students to drown out Ann... she should have been allowed to speak. If they wanted to protest her, they should have done it without cramming it down the throats of those who paid to hear her. She has a right to speak her mind... and I think the ACLU would agree with me on that one... :aok
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Originally posted by gnubee
Talk about arrogance... :rolleyes:
My friends on the Right... I know there are a million things we progressives do that drive you nuts... and lead the free world to victory in the largest conflict in human history (Thank you Presidents Roosevelt and Truman)
You left out Churchill... he was a member of the Conservatives and I believe had something to do with wartime leadership.
And while not leading the free world, Stalin and his country certainly carried the brunt of the european war for the first three or four years.
I think there may be enough arrogance to go around.
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Progressives...I love that word, for never was there a word that was so erroneously applied to a group of people. There's nothing progressive about "progressives". Instead, they want to revert to the failed ideas of the past.
And if you don't like "commies", how about just "communist", you know, like a great number of your political action groups like ANSWER?
And as far as this nation, it belongs to, and is responsible to, the citizens of this country, not to the "other 5 billion" people. For someone to think that this country owes to the rest of the world simply because it is rich and successful is in itself the height of arrogance and presumption. How dare you take whats mine and offer it to somone else?
I won;t question your love of country, but I ask that you think of your country before you think of the rest of the world.
Finally, I ask that the "progressives" live up to their high ideas about free speech, and alllow conservatives to speak, especially where its most needed, in that bastion of politically correct progressive thought, the American higher education system. (to return to the original point of the thread)
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Wow. You folks do realize that this happened at a university, right? That this was likely done by a bunch of students who are young and prone to doing whacky stuff without thinking? What percentage of the disrupters do y'all suppose really care about Ann Coulter one way or the other? ...or knew who Ann Coulter was before her visit was scheduled? ...or even heard the name Ann Coulter before?
OK, I understand that a lot of you are looking hard for anything to justify your intense hatred of "the other side", but maybe you're just getting worked up over nothing here. Don't worry though, this doesn't mean that you're wrong about the [democrats/conservatives/liberals/republicans] (circle one or more of your choosing) being evil and hating America, Mom, Apple Pie, and Jared from Subway...you're absolutely right about that. So, soldier on!
:noid
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Well, I think everybody hates Jared, so no conflict there :)
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I hate you, SOB.
Hey what is in Neapolitans grave? Old ice cream or a bunch of people from Naples?
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Yes...
I am very aware of the efforts and contributions of our allies in that conflict. I was just trying to make a point without having to write an entire dissertation on world history.
Please note that I didn't flame a single conservitive in my post... except maybe for McCarthy (But come on, you gotta give me that one.) Nor was Churchill and Stalin's omission intended with any dissrespect. They weren't mentioned because that wasn't the point of my statement.
My point ( if you care), was that there are some things that we folks on the left have contributed to the world that I would dare say even a staunch conservative could agree with... and maybe we're not all a buch of un-American commies as some have implied. As such I requested that kind of comment stop.
I tried to make that point with a little sarcasm and humor... but perhaps that humor was lost.
PS... I picked up on your sarcasm though... and it has put a smile on my face... Thanks. :D
PSS... also note I supported Ann's right to speak her mind...even though I'm a un-patriotic pink-o commie :aok :rofl
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I hate you, SOB.
Hey what is in Neapolitans grave? Old ice cream or a bunch of people from Naples?
Worse. Old Astronaut Ice Cream!
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I won;t question your love of country, but I ask that you think of your country before you think of the rest of the world.
Shaky... I may not agree with you on a ton-o-stuff that you've put in this thread... but I have to compliment you on that statment.
That was truly well said:) (No BS... i mean that)
In reply I'll say this:
When I consider world opinion, it is because I want to insure our safety and future success. I think that in order to accomplish these goals we have to be able to listen. In short, I am thinking first of my country by thinking of the rest of the world.
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You didn't have to make the point that FDR was president... I already knew that.
FDR also was progressive in some things while regressive in others. The imprisonment of the Japanese-Americans was certainly not something that progressives hold near and dear. FDR also signed the Hatch act, forbidding federal employees from political partisan activity.
Woodrow Wilson was a noted progressive but supported the 1918 Sedition act, making criticism of the government unlawful.
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The imprisonment of the Japanese-Americans was certainly not something that progressives hold near and dear
I don't know what you're talking about *adjusts Halo* :aok
He also wouldn't sign anti lynching laws, and excluded farm workers from being eligble for the Social Security Act, effectivly barring the majority of African Americans from being eligble for benefits at the time.
No... there are no saints in politics. :huh
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Originally posted by gnubee
Yes...
I am very aware of the efforts and contributions of our allies in that conflict. I was just trying to make a point without having to write an entire dissertation on world history.
Please note that I didn't flame a single conservitive in my post... except maybe for McCarthy (But come on, you gotta give me that one.) Nor was Churchill and Stalin's omission intended with any dissrespect. They weren't mentioned because that wasn't the point of my statement.
My point ( if you care), was that there are some things that we folks on the left have contributed to the world that I would dare say even a staunch conservative could agree with... and maybe we're not all a buch of un-American commies as some have implied. As such I requested that kind of comment stop.
I tried to make that point with a little sarcasm and humor... but perhaps that humor was lost.
PS... I picked up on your sarcasm though... and it has put a smile on my face... Thanks. :D
PSS... also note I supported Ann's right to speak her mind...even though I'm a un-patriotic pink-o commie :aok :rofl
Ann continually challenges all comers to prove that McCarthy brought down anyone who WASN'T a communist---she doesn't just dream stuff up and say it---all her assertions (with a LOT of sarcasm in between) are backed up by well-researched facts. People assume McCarthy was horrible because they've been hearing the media SAY that for some 5 decades.
"Among the most notorious Soviet spies in high-level positions in the Roosevelt and Truman administrations -- now proved absolutely, beyond question by the Soviet cables -- were Alger Hiss at the State Department; Harry Dexter White, assistant secretary of the Treasury Department, later appointed to the International Monetary Fund by President Truman; Lauchlin Currie, personal assistant to President Roosevelt and White House liaison to the State Department under both Roosevelt and Truman; Laurence Duggan, head of the Latin American Desk at the State Department; Frank Coe, US representative on the International Monetary Fund; Solomon Adler, senior Treasury Department official; Klaus Fuchs, top atomic scientist; and Duncan Lee, senior aide to the head of the OSS." -- Ann Coulter,
http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=87
As noted here previously, George Clooney's movie "Good Night, and Good Luck," about pious parson Edward R. Murrow and Sen. Joseph McCarthy, failed to produce one person unjustly accused by McCarthy. Since I described McCarthy as a great American patriot defamed by liberals in my 2003 book, "Treason," liberals have had two more years to produce a person — just one person — falsely accused by McCarthy. They still can't do it. Meanwhile, I can prove that Murrow's good friend Lawrence Duggan was a Soviet spy responsible for having innocent people murdered. The brilliant and perceptive journalist Murrow was not only unaware of the hundreds of Soviet spies running loose in the U.S. government, he was also unaware that his own dear friend Duggan was a Soviet spy — his friend on whose behalf corpses littered the Swiss landscape.
Contrary to the image of the Black Night of Fascism (BNOF) under McCarthy leading to mass suicide with bodies constantly falling on the heads of pedestrians in Manhattan, Duggan was the only suicide. After being questioned by the FBI, Duggan leapt from a window. Of course, given the people he was doing business with, he may have been pushed.
After Duggan's death, Murrow, along with the rest of the howling establishment, angrily denounced the idea that Duggan could possibly have been disloyal to America.
Well, now we know the truth. Decrypted Soviet cables and mountains of documents from Soviet archives prove beyond doubt that Lawrence Duggan was one of Stalin's most important spies. "McCarthyism" didn't kill him; his guilt did.
During the height of the Soviet purges in the mid-'30s, as millions of innocents were being tortured, exiled and killed on Stalin's orders, Murrow's good pal Duggan was using his position at the State Department to pass important documents to the Soviets. The documents were so sensitive, Duggan had to return the originals to the State Department before the end of the day. Some were so important, they were sent directly to Stalin and Molotov. On at least one occasion, Murrow's dear friend Duggan sat with his Soviet handler for an hour as the handler photographed 60 documents for the motherland. In other words, Duggan was the kind of disloyal, two-faced, back-stabbing weasel you rarely see outside of the entertainment industry. (He certainly was perceptive, that Murrow.)
All this time, people Duggan knew personally were being falsely accused and executed back in the Soviet Union. Duggan expressed concern about Stalin's purges with his Soviet handler, but he didn't stop spying. As Allen Weinstein describes it in "The Haunted Wood," Duggan was mostly concerned about being falsely accused by Stalin himself someday.
Because of Murrow's good buddy Duggan, innocent people were killed. Not just the millions murdered during the purges while Duggan was earning "employee of the month" awards from Stalin. At least one man was murdered solely to protect Duggan's identity as a Soviet spy.
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it's amazing these arguments go on ad nauseum. the left hates you, they hate each other, they hate animals, they hate the environment and they hate their mothers. they have always been this way. that's what makes them fun to watch. last night there were a bunch of aging hippies protesting the war at an intersection near my home. two blocks away is the Marine Corps reserve traing facility. who do you think they were attempting to belittle? my 15 year old son said "dad lets turn around and go home. I'll fill some water balloons". I discouraged him explaining that would stoop us to their amoeba slime pit level. haters, shame on you liberal nutters, shame.
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gnubee.. the ACLU does not in any way defend the 2nd... it is their stated mandate that the second is to be treated as a right of the state and not an individual right. The ACLU wants the people to be disarmed and only government forces to have arms.
"progressive" means taking more and more rights from the individual.
Shouting down speakers and burning books and making forms of speech hate speach and making some crimes commited by or against only some races "hate crimes" is all ploys of socialist and communists.
lazs
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Ann is playing games with words... McCarthy was a buffoon who accused many or insinuated that many were Commies including George Marshall.
Another of McCarthy's early false or unsubstantiated accusations of Communism was the one he made against journalist Drew Pearson. Though McCarthy and Pearson were initially friendly with one another when McCarthy first arrived in Washington, D.C., they had a falling out, mainly over McCarthy’s initial accusations of Communism, and they became involved in a bitter feud that one night erupted into a physical altercation. To get back at Pearson, McCarthy gave a Senate speech in which he called upon Americans to pressure the corporate sponsors of Pearson's radio news show to drop Pearson because of his supposed politics. Even though McCarthy made it clear that he was not accusing Pearson of being a card-carrying member of the Communist Party, he insisted that Pearson was a communist in principle because he consciously promoted and defended the interests of the Communist Party and the Soviet Union, primarily by criticizing anti-communists like himself. To quote McCarthy himself, he said Pearson was the "voice of international communism," the "sugar-coated voice of Russia," and a "Moscow-directed character assassin."
http://hnn.us/articles/1622.html