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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Animal on December 25, 2001, 02:54:00 PM
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(http://home.coqui.net/dimitri/marijuana.jpg)
merry x-mas
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Ho, ho, ho, or is that hoe , hoe, hoe!!
How come your purty Christmas tree is missing lights and ornaments?
Ooooh...........Bong,I get it, heheeeeee!!!
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That explains a lot.
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niiiiiiiiiiiice... :)
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I forgot StSanta :(
Santa - This christmas tree is also for You. Merry christmas.
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Thanks Aminal :)Merry Christmas to you too... even if you are in a third world country! ;)
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DA98-
Forget the "ein". Just say, "Ich bin New Yorker". ;)
Ich bin ein Berliner!
"I am a jelly donut!"
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YUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
S!
Rocket
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New sig... is it correct now? :)
But the original phrase was "Ich bin ein berliner... :confused:
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John F. Kennedy told the world, "Ich bin ein Berliner" during the the Berlin Airlift, which is grammatically incorrect. The correct pharase is, "Ich bin Berliner".
In English we use a definite article before the noun, in German you do not.
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awww its just a baby to :)
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Nice pic ;)
I got my roommate a Hooka for Christmas :) so what does the dude do when he gets it? He named it....
Osama Bong Laden! LOL We kept his rag head on fire all day yesterday ;)
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Deviants.
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaah, ok, thanks Kieran :)
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We made a bong out of a 5 gallon sparkletts bottle back in college (70's). Named it Chief Ed, after Ed Davis the nazi-like chief of police in LA. Glad to see people are still naming their prized possesions. :D
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
We made a bong out of a 5 gallon sparkletts bottle back in college (70's). Named it Chief Ed, after Ed Davis the nazi-like chief of police in LA. Glad to see people are still naming their prized possesions. :D
:D had one back in the 80's that was double chambered with 2 glass "crazy straws" connecting the lower and upper chambers. Well one of the "crazy straws" broke so we ended up with a double carborated double chamber bong from hell. You had no choice but to empty both chambers at once. So we named it "Death" LOL because it almost killed all of our friends and us :)
My favorite part of the movie "half baked" is when they're deciding who to use... Billy Bong Thorton or Wessly Pipes :D I gotta admit though I love "Osama Bong Laden" we laughed for a good hour over that one yesterday hehe.
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Originally posted by Udie:
My favorite part of the movie "half baked" is when they're deciding who to use... Billy Bong Thorton or Wessly Pipes :D
I got that on DVD for Xmas.
Originally posted by Udie:
I gotta admit though I love "Osama Bong Laden" we laughed for a good hour over that one yesterday hehe.
Yes, well I'm willing to bet the name wasn't the source of all that laughter. :)
I don't own any periphenalia- I just make my own. Cheap, easy to dispose and I won't miss it if I lose it (or gets taken from me from the 5.0).
-SW
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Yes, well I'm willing to bet the name wasn't the source of all that laughter. :)
I don't own any periphenalia- I just make my own. Cheap, easy to dispose and I won't miss it if I lose it (or gets taken from me from the 5.0).
-SW
what are you talking about? the guy who sold it to me said "this is for tobacco use only" So that's what we do ;)
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nice leaves but where's the juicy sticky purple haired nasty buds? or did you already take care of em? ;)
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That fresh young plant had obviously been raped.
All bongs are named. Mine was a three foot high pipeworks beauty done with much turned brass and fine ceramic accents... a perfectly porpotioned kneeling babe done in a 4th of July baton twirlers scanty outfit and named "Miss America".. and her bowl was precisely and aptly in her navel, the choke her right nipple and the toke at the nape of her neck.
*sigh* I miss her.. she vanished shortly after my kid turned 15. Apparently being hidden under 4 inches of fiberglass insulation in the attic was not 'hidden' enuff. :(
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
That fresh young plant had obviously been raped.
All bongs are named. Mine was a three foot high pipeworks beauty done with much turned brass and fine ceramic accents... a perfectly porpotioned kneeling babe done in a 4th of July baton twirlers scanty outfit and named "Miss America".. and her bowl was precisely and aptly in her navel, the choke her right nipple and the toke at the nape of her neck.
*sigh* I miss her.. she vanished shortly after my kid turned 15. Apparently being hidden under 4 inches of fiberglass insulation in the attic was not 'hidden' enuff. :(
I get an image of Hangtime's 15 year old with a watermelon eating grin on his face "necking" with Miss America. :D
Why is this stuff still illegal? I promise that about 75% of the people I know do it. Rep's and Dem's alike. Too much money or power keeping it illegal I guess :( Like I alway's said, I never saw anybody smoke 6 joints an start a fight. :rolleyes:
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oops I just had a thought.
Perception - what a strange concept. That picture above to me from my perspective looks like a beautiful child starting it's journey of life. Hoping to grow tall, thick and sticky to help it on it's journey through somebody's mind. To most posting in this thread it is a good sight, a pretty plant full of color. Yet to others it is probobly one of the most disgusting sights they will see today. Some I'm sure are angry at those of us who have posted here. Some may even go as far as to lose some respect for us.
Why? :confused:
I never saw anybody smoke enough gang to over dose. The worst thing I've seen happen to me or anybody who smoked a LARGE ammount at one time is fall asleep. I've never seen anybody get beligerant off of pot. It really doesn't make any since to me. It should be decriminalized. I'm not talking about hard stuff. But let me tell you from experience alcohol is 1000% worse than marijuana will ever be. Every part of alcohol will always be more deadly than any part of dope, from the buzz to the long term effects on the body. If you ask me, they got it assbackwards when they made booze legal and made pot illegal.
oops got carried away again :)
ok now ask me why I think pot smoking is a "right" wing thing? :eek: :p
[ 12-26-2001: Message edited by: Udie ]
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Ive never had a fight stoned.
In fact, alcohol is more dangerous a drug than marijuana.
I guess its illegal because of the same reason moonshining is -- the gov is not getting anything out of it.
It will be legal in some time.
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Udie.. I make it a point to NOT tout a 'for' or 'against' stance on pot smoking.. the damn subject is just too hot. I know (and you know) that among 'drugs' this is about the least harmful thing one could do to themselves.. but none of that matters; gawdammit it SMOKES and anything that SMOKES will be frowned upon by the rabidly ant-smoking crowd thats now stalking cigarette abusers.
Society frowns upon ganja.. the law says it's jail time if you get snagged with it, the mere suspicion of possession or 'abuse' is enuff to get your personal life ruined if your name gets associated with it.
So.. do yourself a BIG favor... don't challenge the suits to a debate regarding it.. they WILL mess up your job, your life and your future just for speaking out on the subject. :(
BUT... DO get a hydro-kit, cultivate, consume as you please, enjoy life... and vote quietly when the referndums come up. :D
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Better question: Why was it made illegal?
Lies, paid off scientists to perform tests and give false results, and of course more lies led to marijuana being made illegal in the '20s.
I have all sorts of information on all sorts of drugs- all tests funded by Virginia state government and all material written by them.
You'd THINK they'd make marijuana out to be worse than it is, but that simply isn't true.
Just to light a fire under some people's asses:
Liver destroys brain cells, the liver, the heart, the kidneys, damages skin cells and causes your body to store more fat cells (lipids).
Marijuana thickens the cell walls in your brain, reverses itself 30 days after you stop smoking. 1 year if you are a chronic (day in, day out, every hour on the hour- sometimes a snack in between) user. It damages the lungs, but this damage is reversed (not 100% though) within 5 years. While cigarette smoke damages your lungs for a longer period of time and the chances of the damage being reversed is closer to 30%. If you digest marijuana (brownies, bread, etc), the only effect is the thickening of your brain cell walls. The effect is very little if you are a recreational user, the effect is great after 5 years if you are a chronic user.
Ever wondered where that hangover comes from? When your body is done converting the alchohol in your favorite beer, liquor or wine, there are deposits of toxins that are by-products of breaking down the alchohol. This is stored in your stomach, brain, liver, kidneys and skin cells. Lovely, ain't it?
And to top it all off, I've seen someone very close to me die because of alchohol. I've seen my friends get alchohol poisoning (that ain't pretty), and just about everyone I know has had a number of nights where they just don't remember a damn thing (blackout)- I've never heard of any of that happening because of marijuana.
So you just remember that before you go passing judgement, alchohol is far worse than marijuana. But, *I* don't judge you for destroying your body.
-SW
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I used to smoke, also used to smoke (alot :D). Even though I no longer smoke, I would still smoke if my career didn't make it too risky. The people who keep pot illegal are the folks who never tried pot. Which makes absolutely no sense. Screw em,someday I will retire, find myself a nice piece of ground in the mountains, sit on my porch and smoke big fat j's all day.
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that plant looks like a male the more i look ...maybe good for rope but that's about it. start again but with brighter lights this time :)
the whole weed thing is ruined by the people who endorse it. i swear they parade the biggest moron they can on tv whenever they want to show an advocate. who are these people? cheech and chong extras?
there are a lot of smart, quiet smokers out there. those people who act stupid when they are stoned are just playing a part. they get stoned to fit in and they think they need to act a certain way or wear patcouli oil or whatever...
"ohhh wowww man like grooooovy duddde yeahhh man whoooooooo ahhhh the colllllooorrrsss"
f'in slap!....snap out of it idiot....if you can't benefit from exploring your mind and if you cant control it then DONT MESS WITH IT! leave your head at default settings and go watch some wwf or cnn or something....
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Better question: Why was it made illegal?
Lies, paid off scientists to perform tests and give false results, and of course more lies led to marijuana being made illegal in the '20s.
I have all sorts of information on all sorts of drugs- all tests funded by Virginia state government and all material written by them.
You'd THINK they'd make marijuana out to be worse than it is, but that simply isn't true.
Just to light a fire under some people's asses:
Liver destroys brain cells, the liver, the heart, the kidneys, damages skin cells and causes your body to store more fat cells (lipids).
Marijuana thickens the cell walls in your brain, reverses itself 30 days after you stop smoking. 1 year if you are a chronic (day in, day out, every hour on the hour- sometimes a snack in between) user. It damages the lungs, but this damage is reversed (not 100% though) within 5 years. While cigarette smoke damages your lungs for a longer period of time and the chances of the damage being reversed is closer to 30%. If you digest marijuana (brownies, bread, etc), the only effect is the thickening of your brain cell walls. The effect is very little if you are a recreational user, the effect is great after 5 years if you are a chronic user.
Ever wondered where that hangover comes from? When your body is done converting the alchohol in your favorite beer, liquor or wine, there are deposits of toxins that are by-products of breaking down the alchohol. This is stored in your stomach, brain, liver, kidneys and skin cells. Lovely, ain't it?
And to top it all off, I've seen someone very close to me die because of alchohol. I've seen my friends get alchohol poisoning (that ain't pretty), and just about everyone I know has had a number of nights where they just don't remember a damn thing (blackout)- I've never heard of any of that happening because of marijuana.
So you just remember that before you go passing judgement, alchohol is far worse than marijuana. But, *I* don't judge you for destroying your body.
-SW
I work with a Medical Doctor who said that after you wiegh all the pro's and con's comparing the two, one is just as bad as the other. So, I think Mary should be legal just to make things fair :)
Tumor
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Oh, Tumor, I am not denying they are both equally bad.
However, they are both better (if that's possible), than the other stuff out there. Cocaine, Opiates/Heroin, PCP, Quaaludes, etc...
Atleast (NOTE: Unless you are an alchoholic) it's easier to kick the habit regarding alchohol and marijuana than some of that other stuff out there.
-SW
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Not only do I think it should be legal, I have a fairly solid list of fellows for whom it should be mandatory.
I’ve worked with guys who are stoned and I’ve worked with drinkers. I’d rather work with the stoned guy any day.
Pot shuts down ambition directly proportionate to the shut down of brain cells so while the stoned guy isn't particularly useful he's not in the way.
The drinker however is equally stupid but insists on being in charge.
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This is the sort of XMAS tree Santa condones. :D.
I should take a pic of the "presets" that are under my tree...hmmm, where's that camera...
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Southern Urals, summer, 1988... We just dumped our backpacks and wait for a narrow-way train. We stand in the cannabis bush, the plants are at least 3 meters high...
I have quit smoking MJ after I realised that I only get completely stupid when I smoke it. Like holding a spoon in my hand and deciding what the hell is it for. Strange kind of kaif.
Vodka is enough for me, if I need some "mind-extention". Or a good Armenian or Georgian brandy.
But I will vote for legalising MJ and other soft drugs. It's prohibited only because State can't monopolise it.
What I really want to "taste" is LSD. Just to know what that musicians from the 60s felt. But I am too lazy and will stick to vodka and beer.
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it ain't legal because big booze doesn't want the competition..
good thing it ain't legal, the general public would be even more brain dead if it were...maybe why the dumbocrats and libs are the ones pushin for its legalization..
talk to your average/heavy bong head, can he remember what he had for breakfast 2 hours ago??
booze ain't any better, just the effects wear off quicker, makes most more social not paraniod and as stated above isn't being pushed by cheech and chong rejects.
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Originally posted by Boroda:
What I really want to "taste" is LSD. Just to know what that musicians from the 60s felt. But I am too lazy and will stick to vodka and beer.
WOW MAN! FAR OUT!
You do LSD and you will know the true meaning of those 2 phrases. But just make sure you have a "safe" place to hang out for 12-14 hours :)
Eagler,
I respect ya, agree with ya alot of the time. But my friend on this subject your wrong :) Actually very off from the truth. What you posted sounds like the stereo typical user of mary jane, which couldn't be any farther from the truth :) except maybe highschool kids who just started smoking.
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What is bad for your lungs is not so much the smoke but the particles of cannabis and ash that cling to your lungs if your smoke out of a bowl or doobie.
If you are using a water bong you do not get that residue. If youve ever noticed all of the junk floating around the bottom of your bong in the water, you would have inhled that otherwise. Just like cigarettes, its not so much the smoke that causes cancer but the fiber in the filter that clings to your lungs.
If you notice people who smoke non-filters normaly get emphazima and not cancer, its still possible to get cancer but not as great of a chance as filter cigs.
I agree with you all that smoking pot is 1000% better than any liqour, for your body and mind. It is a great stress reliever, and also good to relieve muscle pains and aches, headaches and other discomforts.
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one night we were partying at my house, to make a long story short the sheriff shows up w/ 3 of his buds.. they walk right in my house (illegal). We were all on our way out to get booze. they detain us all and search us, in my own house. I owned a nice stained glass 2 1/2ft bong my roomate had a real nice thick glass 200$ grafix bong.. they found them took them, broke one on the way out to there car. No one claimed them when they asked but my STUPID roomate piped up and said they were his (they even walked back into his bedroom where he was sleeping to wake him up, after they had illegaly entered my home. They walked passed my room which had 12 baby plants in the walk in closet, door wide open only light on wsa the plant light).. what a dummy, his lawyer even told him he was stupid for doing that :)
*whipes tear away* man i miss thoses pipes..
Now i got a nice upright single buble 2 1/2 footer that does the trick, but its not like the old stained one :)
man this is a long post.. sorry for droning on
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Udie, from what I have heard - if someone will bring me a "stamp" and kindly ask me to take it - I'll wait for summer, then get my backpack and go to the forest on Friday evening. After I'll have my tent ready and fire burning with shashlyk ready - I'll probably "taste" it.
Eagler - what a beautiful English phrase - "brain dead" ;) Such a brief but correct description of mental condition for 95% of the public I see at the subway every day! It's hader to translate to Russian even then "unf#$%ingbelievable" ;)
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I saw a story on this a while ago. According to this documentary (on the History Channel) MJ was made illegal to allow the White settlers of California to have more control over immigration. This was during the 20's and 30's I think. A large percentage of Mexican immigrants used MJ I guess, and the laws allowed landowners in California to kick these workers out when the harvest was completed. I asked some of my employees here (almost all Mexican or Mexican American) and many were familiar with the story. Sorry I don't recall more details.
I Smoked MJ daily for at least 15 years. I just got tired of being stupid and quit about 10 years ago. I still have fond memories of some of the silly watermelon we did back in the day though. It also gave me the ability to nail my son the 1st time he "experimented". He thought I was Karnak or something lol.
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Boroda
if you want to get "far out" dont mess with LSD, look for some "shrooms".. dont know the medical term, its a huge word. You cannot describe what you will see and feal, but it will buy all means expand your mind. they are in no way addidictive, you wont even want to do them for a long time.. but its a great experience. they make you halucinate and everthing looks like a picaso painting. They are like LSD w/o the speed effect.
ive done both quiet a few times (to many some would say :o ), shrooms are the way to go. if you get some good LSD, its also a good time. With both though as stated you want to make sure that you got nothing to do the next day, you will need it to rest, you wont be sleeping that night :D
hehe
Man i miss my younger years.. havent done anything like that for a lonnnnnng time :cool:
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hehe Amon, I like your disclaimer.
If memory serves the name of that mushroom is psylicibin or something similar to that. We used to make a big batch of tea with the shrooms, throw in a lot of honey and wander the beach. The funny thing about those psychodelic days is that I remember them quite well. Not like getting stupid drunk and forgetting what you did.
Kids....do not try this at home. I was a professional!
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awwww man !!!! no buds on it :(
take it back !!!!! :)
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This mushrooms grow around Moscow, but it's not a good time to go pick them ;)
I have a strong "phobia" against unknown mushrooms. Even if someone will bring them to me and say they are 100% safe - I'll hesitate before eating them.
When I am hiking - I will better stay hungry for a week then eat unknown "plated" (must be a wrong word here, "plastinchatiy" in Russian) mushrooms.
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I have to disagree on the shrooms. There are many poisonous mushrooms that look a lot like liberty caps (shrooms, silisyben), and if you buy them dried you are at the mercy of the guy selling them to you as there is no way to tell poison from not when they are dry. If you are not ABSOLUTLY sure of what you have you can end up very dead. Also the strength is unpredictable and the 'trips' go bad without warning.
Shrooms, peyote, or mescaline, are not very good choices for your first adventure into the world of psychedelics.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy:
I have to disagree on the shrooms. There are many poisonous mushrooms that look a lot like liberty caps (shrooms, silisyben), and if you buy them dried you are at the mercy of the guy selling them to you as there is no way to tell poison from not when they are dry....
lol
what do you think in the mushroom gets you "high"?
look it up kiddies
Udie
I'd take a stoner over a drunk anyday. One all you have to do is drive thru McDonalds at midnite while the other you have to worry about him drowning in his own puke..
As mrfish stated, the default setting is best especially for us old guys :)
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NM
[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
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eagler they are 2 very different poisons.
while the high is your reaction to one kind of poison. the other kind of poison destroys your liver and leaves you dead.
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A bad trip a month later is a good trip.. Its all about the experience. I've been there and done that, and learned more about humanity then i ever wanted to know. I also learned about walls that breathe and faces that mutate and stay that way for a few hours.. you learn everything is as your eyes percieve it.
But yea it could be risky taking "shrooms".. but ive never had a problem with them. I know thats like saying, "yea guns can kill you, but ive never been killed buy one." ive been shot at though :)
Except for the night i got lost in the middle of no mans land, and was driving. "i'll take these now and buy the time i get home they will have kicked in" lol :D
To bad it didnt work out like that! :D
I havent done anything like that for a long time, i still smoke grass and drink occasionaly.
Opium is great smoke, just wish it wasnt so damn addictive. Used to know a guy oon campus here who made his own. He had cookie jars full of it and sold it dirt cheap... i had to stop hanging out with him hehehe..
thats a great body high.
I will truely never be able to justify having alchohol legal and not cannabis. A rational person who understands both would think it would be the total opposite.
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Tahgut i thought you would get a good laugh out of my sig, i know pyroman did.. :)
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Originally posted by capt. apathy:
I have to disagree on the shrooms. There are many poisonous mushrooms that look a lot like liberty caps (shrooms, silisyben), and if you buy them dried you are at the mercy of the guy selling them to you as there is no way to tell poison from not when they are dry. If you are not ABSOLUTLY sure of what you have you can end up very dead. Also the strength is unpredictable and the 'trips' go bad without warning.
Shrooms, peyote, or mescaline, are not very good choices for your first adventure into the world of psychedelics.
The same can be said for any mind altering chemical, ecspecaily LSD. I've had some LSD before that made my back and stomach hurt sooo bad that it fealt like it was breaking. But i wouldnt buy them(shrooms) off of a perfect stranger, as i wouldnt any "drug"(hate that word).
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Cpt. Apathy and Amon are both right. I grew up in Houston yeah the big city. But the big city is still right next to prime cattle land, with lots of cow dookie. Every year you'd hear on the news about some stupid highschool kids who went out to get shrooms and ended up with death caps. I did shrooms once and yeah I got off, but only after I got sick and puked. That led to about a 2 hour bad trip thinking I had eaten death caps. I was >< that close to taking myself to the hospital only I couldn't see where my car keys were, they got lost somewhere in the swirl of colors ;) 3 hours later my friend convensed me I was still alive and we ate the rest of the bag :)
My cocktail of choice "back in the day" was to mix X and Acid. WOW! no confusion from the acid, it made everything clear and easy to understand the root of all concepts. Then my eyes would start jitterring giving my large tracers that the acid made echoe off into eternity, and yes I could actually hear the tracers :eek: Once I bumped into a wall walking through a doorway and it burned my arm. Like lighting a match, blowing it out and touching it to your arm. Then there was that ole echoing toaster.
ahhh I digress :)
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Problem with LSD is that it stores in your spinal column.
I can't go into bathrooms that have broken tile and dim yellow lighting, nor can I stare very long at any one object. If I don't get enough sleep, it looks as if the air around me is moving in a million different directions all at the same time. No discernable object moving- just movement.
I tell you, it sucks.
But, I guess it was worth the experiences.
One time(years ago) I did two geltabs, I was so tripped out... I was over at some person's house and they were playing Twisted Metal (forget which version), all I could hear was the engine sound echoing in the background (was sitting with my back to the TV) and it would get louder and softer depending on how "hard" the walls were breathing. I was with another friend who was tripped out too, he wanted to go home. I get into my car, start the engine and (it was a stick) threw it into first when I was going for reverse. I shut off the engine and said, we're staying here for a few more hours....
Eventually we did leave, but man was that journey ever difficult!
-SW
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Good grief. What a bunch of burnouts. The thought ever cross your minds fellas to leave that stuff behind at some point? I used to smoke weed with the best of 'em. Until I turned 25 or so. That's when that big R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y word kicked in. Getting Stoned just aint part of a healthy adults world.
I really hope you fellas aren't trying to raise a family.
Now, who all agrees with me?
<ducks and runs> ;)
[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
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Originally posted by hblair:
Good grief. What a bunch of burnouts. The thought ever cross your minds fellas to leave that stuff behind at some point? I used to smoke weed with the best of 'em. Until I turned 25 or so. That's when that big R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y word kicked in. Getting Stoned just aint part of a healthy adults world.
I really hope you fellas aren't trying to raise a family.
Now, who all agrees with me?
<ducks and runs> ;)
[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
Ok mrfish, you hold him down, I'll get the bong. We gotta get this man a shotgun fast! :D
Seriously though, I know what you mean there HB. I "quit" smoking durring the day on my 2nd day of college. I went stoned the first day and never felt as stupid in my life, I just knew that everybody knew I was stoned :) I only do it at home now, it's much safer that way not to get caught. There was a time when I'd blow a J just about anywhere outside, I just didn't care about the consequences. Now I get scared in the furthest corner of my room if the doorbell rings while the smoke is still in my lungs ;)
We are talking about tabaco right? :D
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Hey Hblair... u still have sex??
Enjoy it??
Would you do it in front of your kids??
.. or permit them to do it before they are old enuff?
Well??
DON'T EVEN think to preach to me about how they are 'diffrent'... what adults do is an adult choice. What my kids do is MY choice. I don't let 'em drink, or smoke, or have sex. They ain't old enuff yet.
Your screwin yer wife in the dark behind closed doors, in effect 'hiding' your behavior from your kids... and this is no diffrent than me steppin out to walk the dog... with a joint.
Tell me... you ever DRINK in FRONT of your kids??
Hey... thats BAD for 'em man!! (I know you gave it up... but tell me; who's wrong... the drinker, the smoker, or the society that made these roadkill rules?)
Point is... society's screwed up enuff without tossin more toejam into the flames. Don't pull the 'I really hope you fellas aren't trying to raise a family' crap on us... your motives are suspect.
If YOU know right from wrong, why would you assume WE don't?
<S!>
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Originally posted by hblair:
Good grief. What a bunch of burnouts. The thought ever cross your minds fellas to leave that stuff behind at some point? I used to smoke weed with the best of 'em. Until I turned 25 or so. That's when that big R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y word kicked in. Getting Stoned just aint part of a healthy adults world.
I really hope you fellas aren't trying to raise a family.
Now, who all agrees with me?
<ducks and runs> ;)
[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
I do
hard to justify an illegal activity to your kids no matter how much enjoyment you may have received from it..and if you think you can hide it from them, you are kidding yourself. Maybe when they are < 5 but get a grip if you have kids & grow up 1st.
it's a choice you make in becoming a responsible ADULT. Or stay a burnout and turn them on to it when they are >12. Maybe they can hook u up with cheaper toejame :)
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Hangtime,
hblair is just trying to pull a troll.
If you light one up and read it again, it'd be pretty clear.
Its one of the advantages, two points of view ;)
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(http://www.lizking.com/potsmoker.jpg)
Start em young!
[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: Gadfly ]
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LOL, I first thought about quitting when my 4 yr old daughter was talking to our nieghbor. He was bagging up his lawn clippings in a big hefty bag, when she told him her daddy put his grass in a little bag.
Kids are smarter than you think.
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Hang, I thought you were a middle aged man. Most people don't have sex in front of their children because their children aren't mature enough to understand and deal with it.
I won't preach to you that they are different (I wasn't preaching). I'll just tell you that they are different. You're right, adults can make their own choices, as it should be.
And my remark about puttin away the reefer when you're raising a family.
1. What if yer smoking in your bedroom one night, you're feeling real good. Phone rings, your daughter is in a wreck, you rush to the hospital, (still stoned) just in time to see her go into surgery where she dies. The last time she saw you, you were stoned. That story actually happened to a buddy of mine.
2. I've got 3 kids, there's no way a man could smoke an be a responsible parent. I know first hand. Now, if you're a parent who likes to delegate all the child-raising out to relatives and ex-wives and such (as most adult weed smokers do) then I guess it works, but in that case you're not really a parent.
3. Okay, think about the "getting busted" part. Would be really cool if the cops come busting in on you and the kids watching barney looking for weed. And don't tell me you could never get busted. Everybody can be busted.
Smoking dope is mostly just an adolescent habit that is hard for some to kick. And then some look for reasons not to kick it. And yet others actually tell their kids it's ok for them to smoke when they're old enough!
Smoking dope and Being a responsible parent don't go together, no matter how hard you try to twist it around and make it right, it aint.
Now.
Yeah, you have the choice to do it any way you want too, as long as you stay cool and don't get busted.
[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
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BTW, we're all still pals, right?
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[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
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good points hb..
however, I have to point out that the same applies to booze.
I'd rather a stoned person drive me to the hospital than a drunk one.
Not that I'm advocating either. Just had to make a point :)
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hblair,
good points, but substitute being stoned with drunk, and it gets WORSE. and i see it every day.
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Ok Hblair,
I agree with alot of what you said, and actualy to be honest the reason I quit halucenagenic drugs was out of fear of getting a phone call that one of my relatives had died. That happened to a friend of mine, he found out his mom died about 2 hours into a trip. It took him years to recover from that.
Like anything, it must be applied with responsibility. To the non-smokers that probobly doesn't make any since, but it's still true. I had friends in school that HAD to get high before a test. Me personaly, I get dumber than a bowl of rocks so I tend to stay home and shoot people down :) while I'm smoking.
Another point. I was high as a kite one saturday morning almost 2 yrs ago. Flying a b26 in formation with MrHappy and Dnil. My phone rang and it was my mom calling with the news that my grandmother had just passed away about 20 minutes earlier. You know what? that joint didn't make me any more sad than if I heard the news sober. I'm 32 yrs old and pretty much set in my ways, I'm still able to grow as a person, but for the most part I'm the man I'll probobly be in 20 yrs. Pot ain't going to change that for better or worse. I was lazy before I started smoking pot, I'm still the same amount lazy as I was then. The only bad effect I've noticed is the short term memory thing.
But yes, If you'll still be my friend I'll still be yours. Even though your a square :p
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Just to clarify things, so losers like Hblair (j/k) don't think I'm a total handsomehunk, pothead, burnout....
I was busted over a year ago, I did my stuff on my own to get through it. At the time I was smoking it heavily- everyday, and staying pretty much braindead throughout the day too.
Since then, I have kept it to "recreational" use. When I'm at home, and nothing important to do (that would need my brain power) or when I'm just hanging out with my friend's on the weekends.
See? I'm not a handsomehunk, but I was! :)
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SUMMONS
AKNimitz, Plaintiff
v.
All you Potheads, but really just Swulfe and Hangtime
Whereby, it is my legal duty having taken the oath of law to turn you all over to the property authorities. Please submit to me in writing you address, and please include the telephone number. Also, I need the best time to send the authorities over for a full body cavity search of yourself and the premises. Please also submit your usage history, to include: amount on hand so the authorities know how much to illegally seize, your dealers and how we can get in touch with them.
Thank you for your cooperation in this matter, I am confident you will all understand.
Nim, Esquire
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Well said HB,
I have custody of my children because I quit and the "egg donor" didn't.
I think I made a pretty good trade. ;)
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one thing i enjoy about not getting high is i seem to have more cash.
a freind of mine said he couldn't quit because he 'needed a puff' to help relieve him of the stress in his life. i pointed out that i had alot less stress in my life since i stopped letting that stoned guy handle my money
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LOL!! See.. told yah this one was a 'no win' topic. :D
Hell yes Hblair, of course we're still kewl.
I'm not 'addicted'.. I doubt any recreational smoker is. From the time my kid turned 12 till last year I never sparked a number once. Did I miss it? Sure. Just like I miss summer when it's 10 degrees outside and snowing. Am I addicted to summer? I'd guess that alcohol is more addictive than weed is, but accept the fact that dependencies are problematic for some folks.
My daughter went thru an incredible hell.. her friends turned her on to weed when she was 12, Xtasy and acid before 14, heroin at 15.. and when they did, I was right there; kickin bellybutton and taking names. What followed was 5 years of skirmishes and battles for control of her life and now at 18 she's clean and has been for over a year. She is very much in control of her life... and now has strong anti-drug inclinations.
In me she's confessed; she had an adversary that was almost inhuman.. every step of the way I was there, blocking access, denying her ability to 'do what she wanted'. And she's glad of it. She's made it very clear that the risk was from her peers.. not from her parents.
I'm glad my kid made it through.. for a LONG time it seemed like it was a hopeless struggle; I was always certain the cause of her demise would be my final straw. The sobering thing here was the reality that she was at signifacntly more risk from her peers than she ever was from her parents... but I'll never forget the momentous first major confrontation : DADDY!! YOU SMOKE IT TOO!!!!
My answer was direct, immediate and forceful... "There are MANY things that adults may chose to do that CHILDREN cannot... Drinking, sex, drugs and smoking are on THAT list. Kid, I'm your father, and I WILL NOT allow you to smoke that toejam, steal, drink, hang out in bars, car date at 13, spend the night with you boyfriend at his cabin on the lake, run for president, sell cars, or pilot a diddlyin airliner at the age of 13! GOT IT???
*sigh* It was rough.. it went on for YEARS.. stroke; counter stroke, battles with her mother (at that time, soon to be my ex) battles with the schools, the clinics.. the financial expense alone has wrecked all our lives.. 5 years gone into a great sucking hole.
Is the problem weed? No. The parents? I've seen many parents do all the 'right' things.. in the proscribed order... only to lose everything. None of them had 'any idea at all' as to what happened and why... till it was way too late to act. In my case, only having prior knowledge of the signs from personal experience kept me in the game. Ignorance and denial of the subject matter spells disaster for most 'straight' parents.
I blame our miserable moraly bankruptm public education system, and the weak incompetent parents out there that refuse to get in there and fight for the souls of their young. Don't assume that because YOU don't smoke, THEY won't.. and don't assume that beacuse you DID they WILL.
Assume that their young lives are at risk every second they are out of your sight. Assume that Public School is no less a criminal training ground than a State Prison. Attempt to enrich their lives with REALITY.. not TV.
And FIGHT for them. If you don't... they won't.
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somebody mentioned the magic word earlier: responsibility
why is it that so many people have trouble with that as their mantra?
ever been to europe(for ex.)? notice how they can drink in moderation with dinner etc and not go around staggering drunk?
you know....you dont have to go for broke every time you open a bottle
same with weed.
put in a full days work or study or whatever then do what you want. dont get wasted and go to class - wait til you're out for cryin out pete!
sometimes i just have "special" tea if i have something intense to do that requires more attention- it doesnt knock you out so hard like bong-rips do, it just kinda pleasantly buzzes in the background.
ya gotta be creative and in control. i think lots of people act stupid because they think they're supposed to. they change their whole lifestyle because they think they need to be "a stoner".
--->that's<---- stupid, just be yourself and use your head.
use it's nonaddictive nature to your benefit - if you have a big test coming up, then dont smoke for a few days. if you are training at work then lay off for a while.
i smoked my way thru classes that would make you humanities majors' skin crawl so personally i dont see what the big deal is but if it gets you, then back off of it and give it a break.
the bottom line is- if you think that smoking weed makes you some slack jawed hippy then you'll start to become that -
"hmmmm i'm a stoner, guess i have to go get a tye dye and start saying far out...."
if you use it to find an identity for yourself or to be a part of some social club then you get what you pay for, you'll be an bandana wearing dirty microbus driving idiot surrounded by other people acting the way they think they're supposed to act too
...otherwise if you are smart enough to just enjoy the high and get past the stereotype you'll do fine...
don't be a stereotype in whatever you do.... ;)
edit: oh yeah, happiy holidays merry xmas and all that jazz everyone - i'll be in the desert for the next few days, if i turn up missing call wylie coyote ;)
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
LOL, I first thought about quitting when my 4 yr old daughter was talking to our nieghbor. He was bagging up his lawn clippings in a big hefty bag, when she told him her daddy put his grass in a little bag.
Kids are smarter than you think.
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what are ya doing blazing infront of your kids ya banana! :D
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HB i really has to disagree with your veiws. I can smoke grass and still funtion properly, may it be some dramatic occasion or just playing AH. Someone dies, if your stoned or not they are dead theres not much you can do there, stoned or sober. Seems like some people have problems getting high but not being a "stoner".
Some would feal you cannot be "serious" when high on pot, which i really disagree with.. once the novelty of being hi is disreguarded you stop acting and thinking like some hippie idiot.
I smoke pot everyday, i wont lie and say i use it in moderation either. I never come to work stoned, or go to my families stoned or even try to go out in public stoned, unless i need to but even then its not a big deal to me. I have the most borring job outta anyone you know, i can almost garauntee that, any network ADMIN should be able to vouch for me. Im a security server network admin so i have even LESS users to worry about then most.. and yet i still do not come to work stoned because i have R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y .
Someone who is so against pot smokers is more than like simply angry with them selves that they cannot function in society, stoned.
[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: Am0n ]
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Anybody going to Amsterdam for the Cannabis Cup 2002 competition?
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Never did AmOn. Which added to my surprise.
Hang, thank you for sharing, I went through a similar experience with my oldest daughter. Suffice to say she is now living independently, going to college, bought a new car, and best of all came up to me about 2 months ago, gave me a big hug and told me how sorry she was for the pain and suffering. She has also become a great ally in raising her little sister.
Kinda made it all worth while.
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My veiw is, if someone knows your high, or knows you smoke pot in your own home, eg. your teenage son/daughter, with out your telling them, they smoke.
I didnt know my aunt smoked grass until i was 17 years old, and she watched me for my mother nearly every day growing up. We even found a joint she had stashed as kids and never knew what it was. She smoked the whole time i was growing up.. always wondered why they would all go hide in her room some nights when they were playing cards with friends over. :)
She tells me stories of smoking with my mom and dad while i was growing up and i never knew that they did either. Maybe you should hide your stuff better, like hangtime pointed out about Sex, you dont have sex with your bedroom door wide open do you??
[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: Am0n ]
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kids of parents who smoke dope, smoke dope earlier - fact.
the younger one starts to smoke dope, better chance of screwing up his/her life or limiting his/her life opportunities - fact.
<S> Hang and TahGut, glad it turned out ok in the end. For every story like yours, I'm afraid there are many who don't.
My little brother, wrapped his car around a tree - killing him and his roommate, leaving her 3 year old parentless - that's how his story ended...
hey but don't worry, that can't happen to you. It always happens to the "other guy". I thought that to til I got the call at 2am ...
Party on Dudes !!
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Ok, She was 4 when this occurred (the talking to my neighbor thing), she was 8 when I quit altogether, and received custody of her and her little sister. I have not done any drugs (OK occasional beer, and 18 yr. old scotch) since Sept. 1990.
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So if someone takes a gun and shoots someone with it, is it the guns fault?
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No! Its that damn bullet!
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Alot of talk here about why it is "illegal"..
Has anyone heard of the term "Hemp"? Hemp was rope, made from the Cannabis Sativa plant. Without it there would have been no Christopher Columbus, no New World, or any of the sailing ships that opened up the world to trade and transportation. Essentailly there would have been no USA, as we know it, without hemp.
When synthetic rope was first being manufactured by Dupont etc. these companies lobbied hard against MJ as a narcotic so that the production of hemp could be stopped. It was a great way to get rid of the competition!
This is why it was initially made illegal...
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Originally posted by Curval:
Alot of talk here about why it is "illegal"..
Has anyone heard of the term "Hemp"? Hemp was rope, made from the Cannabis Sativa plant. Without it there would have been no Christopher Columbus, no New World, or any of the sailing ships that opened up the world to trade and transportation. Essentailly there would have been no USA, as we know it, without hemp.
When synthetic rope was first being manufactured by Dupont etc. these companies lobbied hard against MJ as a narcotic so that the production of hemp could be stopped. It was a great way to get rid of the competition!
This is why it was initially made illegal...
lol
yeah but if they were token it instead of ropin it, there won't be an America either as they'd be lost at sea or discovered Aruba instead :)
Do believe you can get hemp products now legally whereas the real deal is a tad bit more expensive & harder to come by. Don't know about dope in the 30's but the stuff now a days isn't the stuff that was around in the 70's. Somewhere along the way, the process was "perfected"...now you can get brain dead with less, cost more but requires less..
Talk about a useless thread, no way a "square" is going to convert a "cool dude". They just have to figure it out for themselves. Then again maybe they won't ...
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Hemp was also used in WWI and WWII for a lot of the military needs, ropes and belts and such. Its very cheap and also extremly durable.
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I worked in an old (ex)Hemp rope making factory in New Orleans, right in the shadow of the Huey P. Long bridge. There were still some "volunteers" growing on the grounds, but you couldn't smoke enough of it to get you high.
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Eagler
Seems like you have mixed up someone who smokes cannabis with ignorant, illiterate people. Which is not the case. Why must you stereo-type them? "cool dude", "party on".
Just a heads up for you.. When you grow cannabis the more "generations" behind the seed you germinate for your plants, the stronger the buds are. So if over time you re-plant the mothers offsprings and there off springs you keep making the cannabis more potent. 6th or 7th generation cannabis is very potent, but that would take about 3 years to obtain.
Now this applies only if there is not a male plant near when the female begins to produce seeds, if there is a male there are "newborns"..
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Originally posted by Eagler:
lol
yeah but if they were token it instead of ropin it, there won't be an America either as they'd be lost at sea or discovered Aruba instead :)
Do believe you can get hemp products now legally whereas the real deal is a tad bit more expensive & harder to come by. Don't know about dope in the 30's but the stuff now a days isn't the stuff that was around in the 70's. Somewhere along the way, the process was "perfected"...now you can get brain dead with less, cost more but requires less..
Talk about a useless thread, no way a "square" is going to convert a "cool dude". They just have to figure it out for themselves. Then again maybe they won't ...
This post is full of ignorance man. The stuff I was getting in the 80's was WAY better than the Mexican bunk I get now. More expensive back in the 80's too and harder to come by. But you go to northern California and get some of that sticky Endica and then you'll be stupid off of 2 hits for about 4 hours. That stuff is really expensive. Climate is going to effect quality or ammount of THC in the bud. There's no secret lab out there making the stuff more strong. A side note, the marijuana trade taught me supply and demand really works. It's really cheap here in Tx because we're next to Mexico. Same bag that cost $20 here is over a hundred in Alabama. Less supply there than there is here, that controls price more than anything else well that and quality.
Kind of hard to believe that people used to be able to buy heroine out of the Sears Robuck catalog huh? That stuff was legal for more than half of our nation's existance. :) It came prepacked in a seringe ready to shoot. Didn't you ever wonder what was in all those old "snake oils" they used to sell at the turn of the century? MORPHINE :) Cocaine in coca cola bla bla bla. There are good reasons for those 2 to be illegal, they are extremely addictive. Though, I was able to quit cocaine with no problem, I still smoke cigarettes. ;)
The one thing you got right is that we'll probobly never convert any "squares" over. Personaly I think they should make it fair and put a prohibition on alcohol again. Then when the gangsters start back up and they have to legalize it again, maybe just maybe us hemp heads will be able to say "hey what about our hooch too?" :)
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How can you justify criminal punishment for USING some substance?
Theres no law, which makes usage of dangerous substances illegal.
If the current drug laws are based on "protection of the user", why isnt there simply a law, which prohobits everything harmful (to the invidual)? Especially in the "land of the free" there shouldnt be ANY laws for ANY action which applies only to the actor, harmful or not.
I can legally kill myself, but i cant legally inject heroin to my body. Why is that?
Now, do laws protect me, if i get 10 years mandatory minumum for smoking a joint?
Arent laws for protection of the invidual well-being?
Serious questions which are _always_ left unanswered by the anti-personalfreedom warriors (also known as "drug warriors").
Remember, im only talking about the criminal punishment of drug usage. I personally dont use illegal drugs unless i get it for free and in safe(recognizable) form. This has so far applied only for cannabis (and very rarely).
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Seems fairly obvious to me that the people with the most vested interest in keeping "maryjane, cheeba, weed, vitamin T, grass, ganja, wildwood flower, bud, and doobie" illegal are the... suppliers.
After all they have the money to lobby Congress to keep it illegal.
If the US goverment legalized it tomorrow, how much income would these "druglords" stand to lose? If you were a supplier would you want it legalized?
As an after thought, only one other "agency" has an interest in keeping it illegal.
That would be Law Enforcment itself, i.e. the police.
Federal, State and local goverments have passed legislation that allows most police agencies to confiscate your vehicle, home, boat or plane, and in some cases even your bank accounts. (if it can be proven the money in those accounts are related in the distrubutin of illegal substances)
They then sell your property at auction, all of which said income then goes back into the "enforcment kitty" this in turn allows them to buy more equipment and hire more officers.
Hmm, does it really take a Rocket Scientist to figure out how much these two parties stand to lose by it's legalization?
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I can legally kill myself, but i cant legally inject heroin to my body. Why is that?
I don't know about Finland but in the u.s. you cant even legally kill yourself in most states. Here in Oregon you can, if you are dying from an incurable disease anyway but the federal gov't is trying to put a stop to that too.
As far as I know suicide is the only crime that they only punish you for failing to successfully commit
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milnko: Illegal drug business is unique. Its based on the SELLERS markets, not the buyers, as legitimate business do.
Thats what makes it so profitable, you have something people want and only you can give it to them, say the prize (just like M$ Windows).
Current drug dealing net (you know, the guys hanging on every street corner) can only survive because of the huge profits (->sellers markets->illegal markets)
Legitimate drug business would be regulated by laws, so if you could sell the drug cheaper than the guy next door, you could.
Now you cant. Try to start your own heroin factory on your house, if cops wont get you first, the drug lords will. They do not want you to kill their markets by destroying the strict area monopoly.
You know why the gang fights happen, somebody wants to grab the monopoly of some other area, controlled by another gang.
Im pretty sure, that with heroin being sold next to the milk bottles would generate less harm, that current total worldwide drug prohobition. After all heroin is very safe to the body (addiction is altough severe), if you keep the dosage under the over-dose limit (the stuff sold on the streets is NOT heroine).
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edit: Capt. Apathy, could you explain how you will be punished when if you commit suicide? Even if you fail at that?
Assisted suicide is a whole different issue, since its actually a murder under the law. Its very difficult legal situation, but i think there absolutely should be a way to people get assisted suicide, if they cant commit by it themselfs.
If you assist on suicide, you get the punishment, not the one who wants to get himself harmed.
[ 12-29-2001: Message edited by: Tuomio ]
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it was meant to be a somewhat humorous look at the suicide law. while you can be punished for atempting suicide, there is not a whole lot they can do to you if you actually suceed
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yes, legalize it all
huge white piles on every street corner complete straws, of course with Surgeon General warnings posted everywhere...
I'd say it take about two weeks to cleanse
the gene pool ....
heck, crime rate would drop too :)
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the true solution seems simple to me.
fully legalize. the price would drop to probly less than 1/4 of the curent price. you could have a 100% tax (used to provide free rehab for any who decided they needed it) and it would still be less than half the curent price. even if the problem was unchanged the local junky would only have to steal half as many car stereos.
and on the hard drugs most true addicts will do as much as they can get, overdose and die. (coffins are cheaper than jail cells & no repeat offenders)
the only real problem is what are all those cops, lawyers, judges, court clerks, and prison guards gonna do for a living
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Manufacturing of one heroin gram costs 1$. So it could be easily sold, with prescription ofcourse (for addicts), under 5$ per gram. This would be pure heroin, so HC addict would use one gram for several days.
That would mean, no need to steal anymore.
I bet the crime rates would halve, but i guess that aint worth of it?
After all youre much more concerned of the "message sent to kids". Youre not concerned, that those kids could be robbed at the gunpoint by addict who needs lots of money for his daily doses. :mad:
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BTW, in Arizona, just having any type of mj paraphenalia is a class 6 felony ;)
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"Anybody going to Amsterdam for the Cannabis Cup 2002 competition?"
I've won second prize in that twice :( (Master Kush, a Sativa/Indica hybrid grown hydroponicaly).
Every year some fugging hippy wins it with his organicaly grown, stinks of horseshit "feel the nature" Sativa pure strain.
As far as I can tell, the best (most plausible) reason for Cannabis being illeagal is that in the early twenties, just as J. Edgar Hoovers best buddy William Randolph Hurst was buying most of Canada's forests for his newspaper mills, a couple of Carolina brothers invented a harvesting machine that could deal with Hemp fibre for paper production. Which would have royally screwed Hearst's investment....
Addicted? I've been smoking this toejam for fifteen years and I'm not addicted yet!
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I smoke at Least every other day ,I have an 18year old son who goes to church 3 times a week (probably praying for me )and graduated with a 3.5 gpa . He gets all my attention and love , I AM a good father :) and I get stoned on my time off .