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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Morpheus on December 10, 2005, 02:33:32 PM
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This has been asked for a thousand times already. It would make for a fun adversary to the 262 in the game.
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Just discussing this, as if we might actually get it:
I think the Meteor might render the 262 obsolete. Still fast enough to outrun almost anything, yet actually able to turn fight and with 20mm hispanos instead of tater-guns.
I do think it would render the 262, as it is modeled now, obsolete.
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Meteor had more high speed control issues though. The Meteor Mk III would need to be perked at the same type of level as the Me262 for sure. The Meteor Mk I would only need a Tempest level perk price I think.
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besides, the meteor was not used over continental europe for fear of them getting shot down and the germans using the engines. it was only used over england to defend against bombers and V1s.
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
besides, the meteor was not used over continental europe for fear of them getting shot down and the germans using the engines. it was only used over england to defend against bombers and V1s.
go do some research before you post such nonsense please!
Meteor Mk III's were on the continent from January 1945
http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avmeteor.html#m4
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Here is photo of a 616 squadron Meteor Mk.III in winter white paint. Looks like the engines leak a bit
(http://www.vflintham.demon.co.uk/aircraft/meteor/met3a.jpg)
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I thought the early operational meteors were slower than the 262?:confused:
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Would like to see it though.:aok
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Scott123,
Meteor Mk I: 408mph
Meteor Mk III: 490mph
Me262: 540mph
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my mistake, furball. but the fact remains that the meteor will not be the great equalizer because it is inferior in almoast every way to the 262. it was converted from a propeller-driven design. the 262 was designed from the beginning as a jet.
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With meteors superior ceiling & fuel endurance, I could see it geting the best of the 262 with greater than expected frequency, like the MiG15s did against the faster, lower ceiling F-86s.
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SMIDSY,
I've never heard that it was converted from a prop job. Can you post some info on that please.
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Originally posted by Furball
go do some research before you post such nonsense please!
Meteor Mk III's were on the continent from January 1945
http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avmeteor.html#m4
What the Furball said. During my Spit XII research I got to be friends with a B of B vet who did some time as a Service Test Pilot with Supermarine before returning to Ops with 616 after D-Day. He was flying Meteors on the continent and was one of the first RAF pilots to fly a 262 when he and his CO went to Fassberg to pick up a couple of 262s in May 45. Their Meteor experience combined with his test pilot work, made him an easy choice.
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"262 does everything better than the meteor"????
It has top speed, but can't turn around inside a freaking MILE. It has 30mm but can't hit ANYTHING with them because of the way AH screws over 30mm guns. It can dive but is slow to accelerate, and everything in AH doesn't dive the way it did in real life, so today I witnessed a yak9u following my at d400 for 20 seconds n a 550+mph dive. Diving is moot. It can't climb for CRAP, that's a fact.
So it can run. But only if it's already fast, because it cant accelerate, or dive, or climb, or shoot, or turn.
The Meteor wouldn't be able to run, but it would be able to climb, turn, accelerate, and shoot very well. It would be more than equal -- it would be slower but infinitely better.
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personally i'd far rather have 4 30mm's than 4 20's. if you're flying fast in a 262, which you should, then the rounds get far more velocity, and they do far more damage with em. you can take out an entire flight of lancs or b17's with 1 pass in a 262, i do it all the time
meteor would lose its RL characteristics just like the 262 aswell. i mean, a p47 can almost catch it at alt, and a tempest will run one down easy. meteor mk3 maybe not, but still, stop making it sound like its so uber and you luftwobble guys are hard done by, a lot of planes aren't quite right, because it is very hard to find real flight data for such top secret planes
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Originally posted by Karnak
SMIDSY,
I've never heard that it was converted from a prop job. Can you post some info on that please.
cant remember exactly where i got that info. will get back to you on that.
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Smidsy, you might mean the testversions.
With the Arado Ar-234, they tested the design with prop engines too, before adding the jet engines (because they were not ready atm I believe)
It could very well be that the Meteor was tested with propellors
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The Gloster was not converted from a prop. It was designed as a jet, and the airframe was tested with either 2 props or 2 turboprops (can't remember, I got a pic of it somewhere). That was just part of the flight testing and development, however.
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it was tested in late 45 with turboprops iirc, think it was the worlds first turboprop a/c.
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I thought some version of the Spitfire had a turboprop too? (or was it just contra-rotating props?)
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EE227 "Trent"
(http://tanks45.tripod.com/Jets45/Histories/Trent/Trent_1.jpg)
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Krusty,
Keep in mind the Meteor Mk III would also have poor acceleration. Early jets just did not produce that much thrust.
As to your 30mm quip, I don't think there is anything wrong with the 30mm cannons. I recall reading, long ago so don't ask for a refernce, a German pilot saying the Me262 would have been better if they'd armed it with four 20mm cannon as the 30mms were too hard to hit with at the speeds it flew.
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Also, 30mm would produce quite a shock when fired, thus degrading accuracy, and since the 30mm cannons don't have much ammo, you want every shot to count!