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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: midnight Target on December 13, 2005, 04:34:54 PM
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Honest question.. Where exactly is this attack on Christmas coming from? Can someone please provide evidence of it's manifestation? And please let's skip the ACLU and Creches. That has been going on for years now. What's new?
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Bill O'Reilly
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41724 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41724)
Also
ABC News recently reported that the Columbia High School brass ensemble in Maplewood, NJ were not allowed to play Christmas carols at their holiday concert this year — not even instrumental versions. Public schools in Chicago have removed the words "Merry Christmas" from a popular song.
A church group was banned from participating in Denver's annual Parade of Lights and the Mayor of Denver decided that this year would be the last year that a "Merry Christmas" sign on the City and County Building, until public outrage caused him to change his mind.
The Target stores have kicked the Salvation Army to the curb, banning the Santa Clad bell ringers this year.
Town Im working in had a "Holiday Tree lighting ceremony"
While the town I grew up sidesteped it altogether and had a "Tree lighting ceremony"
In Wendys and other stores workers are not allowed to even say the words "Merry Christmas"
I could go on
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Well lets see. A guy in Florida hangs a stuffed Santa Clause from a tree, he is excercising his freedom of speech. When a vast majority of the county gets together and celibrates Christmas as a religous holliday, a small minority of the people claim it vilolates their right to freedom of religion and the majority must stop.
I honestly think that most people have forgotten how use common sense. If someone doesn't want to celibrate Christmas...don't. No one is making them, but that doesn't give anyone the right to tell someone else they can't.
If you don't like whats on the TV change the channel or turn it off. Everyone has the option to turn away and not be offended.
Oh I forgot one important thing here.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!
I have a right to say that:aok
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Honest question
BS
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it's not under attack, just another casualty of "p.c." bs.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
The Target stores have kicked the Salvation Army to the curb, banning the Santa Clad bell ringers this year.
Good for them. I hate solicitors.
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Third-graders in Madison, Wisc. won't be allowed to ring bells to raise money for the Salvation Army as they have in the past because one parent complained about the kids helping a religious-based charity, according to The Capital Times.
Students from Chavez Elementary have for years helped out the red kettle brigade during the Christmas season, along with hundreds of students from around the county. For some, it qualifies as part of their community service obligation.
Principal Howard Fried said the school administration stood down immediately when faced with the complaint. "When the objection was raised, the administration downtown told us, in no uncertain terms, not to allow it," he said.
http://www.madison.com/tct/news/index.php?ntid=64543&ntpid=8
Leftist tyranny in the schools has got so bad that a law is now seen as needed to protect school staff who say "Merry Christmas"!
"There’s still no peace on Earth in the fight over Christmas and public places. A new bill in the Legislature would protect public workers or public school students from being punished if they say "Merry Christmas" to each other, instead of "Happy Holidays."
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=72999
"Lunch menus imprinted with the words "Merry Christmas" have been discarded and replaced in the Federal Way school district south of Seattle. The December lunch menus for all 23 elementary schools were recalled and reprinted with the words "Happy Holidays" at a cost of almost $500.
http://www.kirotv.com/irresistible/5493725/detail.html
A Christmas charity drive by some elementary school kiddies in BelleVue, Wash. has been axed after some parents complained that the "Giving Tree" with colored mitten all over it was a symbol of Christianity that has no place in public schools, according to KOMO-TV.
The tree at Medina Elementary School, described as a nondescript coil of silver with a star on top, had mittens as decorations with the ages and sex of prospective recipients along with some suggestions about what they wanted for Christmas.
When a parent complained that the tree was too Christian, the school covered the star on top with a bow to appease the parent but it wasn't enough. So the principal put the mittens on other secular symbols of the season -- a sled, a snowman, a 'regular' tree and a plain old counter.
http://www.komotv.com/stories/40621.htm
just a few examples but we all know who the real enemy of christmas is:
(http://www.idir.net/~higgy19/Op/grinch.jpg)
Merry Christmas everbody. And a happy hanchristmaquanzica to everyone else.
:)
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So it would seem that the enemy is .......
Parents?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So it would seem that the enemy is .......
Parents?
no silly it's the grinch
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So it would seem that the enemy is .......
Parents?
No, more like idiots, morons, and intolerant jerks who claim to preach tolerance. But then, you knew that already.
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there is a lady here in a local municipality Bay Harbour Islands who has had to fight in the courts for the last several years to keep the nativity scene in the park. menorahs are fine happy kwanza is ok but the c word!!!!! good heavens no way. the problem of course are you liberals and your tolerant ways. nice troll btw
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http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2005/12/12-08-05tdc/12-08-05dnews-06.asp
Most of us here at PSU have been studying too hard to worry about a "Holiday Tree."
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Funny stuff this War on Xmas..
The War on Christmas
Sam of The Majority Report, was on CNN today and debated Bob Knight from the Culture and Family Institute, which is really "Concerned Women for America." Hosted by Kyra Phillips CNN Bubble headed bleached blond.
Sam Seder did a pretty good job on CNN today giving this issue the degree of respect it deserves:
Bob thinks that the bogus (an offensive term in context of what is happening in Iraq) "War on Christmas " is an attack on people of faith. Knight also thinks that using the phrase " Happy Holidays," is offensive. Seder wondered how Bob would even get on TV if it wasn't for his claim that faith is being "cleansed" from the public square. You know Bob was in trouble in the segment when he brought up the Nazis. I'd like to find out how much money Jerry Falwell and his buddies have raked in since this started. Oh, and FOX is having a Holiday party.
SEDER: Listen, as far as the war on Christmas goes, I feel like we should be waging a war on Christmas. I mean, I believe that Christmas, it's almost proven that Christmas has nuclear weapons, can be an imminent threat to this country, that they have operative ties with terrorists and I believe that we should sacrifice thousands of American lives in pursuit of this war on Christmas. And hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money.
CNN PHILLIPS: Is it a war on Christmas, a war Christians, a war on over-political correctness or just a lot of people with way too much time on their hands?
SEDER: I would say probably, if I was to be serious about it, too much time on their hands, but I'd like to get back to the operational ties between Santa Claus and al Qaeda.
CNN PHILLIPS: I don't think that exists. Bob? Help me out here.
SEDER: We have intelligence, we have intelligence.
CNN PHILLIPS: You have intel. Where exactly does your intel come from?
SEDER: Well, we have tortured an elf and it's actually how we got the same information from Al Libbi. It's exactly the same way the Bush administration got this info about the operational ties between al Qaeda and Saddam.
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Yes, well, Kyra, I mean, listen, I would like Bob to tell me who is the person who has been offended by someone saying Merry Christmas to them? I've never met that person.
I don't celebrate Christmas. But if someone says "Merry Christmas" to me, I either think, well, it's a little bit odd, it's like me saying happy birthday to you on my birthday, but no one cares.
But I will tell you this, as we wage the war on the war on the war on the war on Christmas on our radio show. News Corp., Fox News, those people who have started this entire war on Christmas mean, fake war, they're having a holiday party.
President Bush saying "Happy Holidays." Tokyo Rose, Laura Bush, saying "Happy Holidays" to her dogs in the video, I'm sure you've seen it. I mean, these are the things that we should be talking about when we are waging this war in Iraq, we should be equating it to the war on Christmas.
What else would Bob Knight have an opportunity to do, how else would he get on television if he wasn't pretending to be attacked.
KNIGHT: This would be funny except it is serious to a lot of people who have seen their faith cleansed from the public square systemically.
SEDER: Are you suggesting, Bob, that someone can't celebrate Christmas in America? Tell me about the person who can escape the celebration.
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SEDER: I do agree with Bob. I think what should happen is companies should calculate how much money they're getting from people who are celebrating Christmas and provide exactly that much amount of Merry Christmas, because that is exactly how I would want any type of religious holiday to be celebrated.
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SEDER: Hannukah is not a high holiday. Our high holidays are Rosh Hashanna and Yom Kippur, which I'm sure Bob has been protesting why there are not more Yom Kippur sales or Rosh Hashanah sales during those holidays. Why shouldn't there be, right Bob?
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SEDER: Bob, have you ever protested Martin Luther King Day not being celebrated. Do you resent when people don't say "Happy Martin Luther King Day" a month out in advance?
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CNN PHILLIPS: Bob, I'm going to let you have the final thought.
KNIGHT: OK. You know, when the Nazis moved into Austria in 1936...
SEDER: Oh, that's offensive, Bob, to raise Nazis. KNIGHT: They immediately removed from the schools. You can read about it in...
PHILLIPS: Hold on, Sam. Let Bob make his point. Let Bob make his point. Go ahead, Bob.
KNIGHT: You can't even let me speak. Can you? You're so...
Maria Trapp wrote the story of the Trapp singers that's in "The Sound of Music," and she said she sent her kids to school after the Nazis took over. And they came home and said mama, we can't say the word Christmas anymore. It's now winter holiday.
I think that ought to disturb people...
SEDER: Kyra, that's offensive.
KNIGHT: ...that we're moving toward that kind of attitude in this country.
SEDER: The Puritans also outlawed Christmas. The founding fathers of this country would fine you in Massachusetts if you celebrated Christmas in the beginning. So don't talk about Nazis, Bob. I think that's really inappropriate.
Why do you have to bring hate to this Christmas and holiday season? That's so sad, Bob.
KNIGHT: Well, let's go to the Soviet Union then too. They had grandfather frost.
Well, it's the truth. You ought to read the book yourself, and maybe you'll change your mind.
SEDER: It's just sad that you have to raise Nazis when you're talking about Christmas and the holiday season. And we all know that Christmas actually, Tannenbaum, it's a German holiday. Bob, I'm really, really disappointed in you.
KNIGHT: I'm sorry to disappoint you, but if you can't understand the force of history...
SEDER: To bring up Nazis, Bob.
KNIGHT: I'm not calling you a Nazi.
SEDER: Oh, who you calling Nazi? Who are you calling a Nazi, sir?
KNIGHT: I'm not.
There is no war on your faith people.. Get over it...It belongs in your heart , place of worship and your home..
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
No, more like idiots, morons, and intolerant jerks who claim to preach tolerance.
In other words. the far left
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So it would seem that the enemy is .......
Parents?
By-products of the liberal lefty 60's is more like it.
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How many threads are you going to start about Christmas being threatened or celebrations of Christmas being hindered?
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Oh, *checks watch* til about February...
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Originally posted by Silat
There is no war on your faith people.. Get over it...It belongs in your heart , place of worship and your home..
:aok
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I couldn't give 2 chits about Christmas myself.
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Originally posted by Silat
There is no war on your faith people.. Get over it.
Ummmmm
No
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This thread dissing JC??
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If it is, I'm sure it pales in comparison to being nailed to a post.
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Not a religious person myself but all this BS about trying to remove religion (Christmas to some) from everything ( Which I believe is happening) makes me think about something I heard when I was younger.
"The devils greatest accomplishment was making man think he didn't exist."
Not saying that all those that try to remove religion from our culture are the devil but I think if he /she truly exist then liberals are his tools on earth.
Why attack something that really doesn't affect you? Why remove traditions just because you don't believe? What does Chistmas hurt?
If I was religous I would be very very worried that this is just another attempt by the devil to remove faith.
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sandie... you don't hate solicitors at all.... just ones with a religious undertone... you love the red cross and non denominatioal beggars who steal and missuse disaster money..
It is just the Salvation Army who are 98% efficient that you don't like.
I did not see you all upset durring katrina when everyone was asking to send money to the potatos at the red cross and other "charitable" organizations. You wouldn't mind them outside stores or calling you on the phone or sending you junk mail.
lazs
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Of course Silat, there is no war on the Christian faith going on, and "these aren't the droids we're looking for"... Oh, and as you read the following article keep in mind that even instrumental versions of Christmas carols are banned at certain schools.
Ramadan in the Public Schools
New teacher training initiatives and an increased fascination with Islam brings the faith to the public.
By Holly Lebowitz Rossi
(RNS) During the next few weeks, multicultural trainer Afeefa Syeed will bring third-, fourth- and fifth-grade students from a Muslim academy in Herndon, Va., to nearby public schools to share the practices and beliefs of their holiest month, Ramadan.
Syeed and the children will present the call to prayer in Arabic, display prayer rugs and offer tastes of dates. In countless other classrooms across the country, similar efforts will be made to educate students about the time of fasting and spiritual reflection for adherents of the world's second-largest religion.
Ramadan, which likely will begin Oct. 15, depending on the sighting of the new moon, is making more appearances in public school classrooms, thanks to a series of new teacher training initiatives, an increased fascination with Islam and the assurance that schools, if careful, can educate impressionable children about religion without crossing a constitutional line.
The Council on Islamic Education, a nonprofit organization based in California, plans to release an updated version of its booklet “Muslim Holidays,” which was first published in 1997, for the more than 4,000 teachers nationwide who have used it.
The booklet, which contains lesson plan ideas and historical and cultural background on Ramadan and other Muslim holidays, also outlines the various state regulations governing instruction about religion in public schools and discusses accommodations that schools can make to enable Muslim students to observe the holiday.
Muslim educators note tremendous progress in education about Ramadan and Islam in general in public schools, particularly since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 — perpetrated by extremist Muslims — brought Islam into the national spotlight.
Another reason for this success, some say, is an increased general awareness in public education circles of what is constitutionally appropriate to teach about religion.
In 1995, President Clinton released “Religious Expression in Public Schools: A Statement of Principles,” guidelines on promoting the free exercise of religion in schools without endorsing a particular faith. The Freedom Forum First Amendment Center in Arlington, Va., subsequently launched a series of training initiatives to remind public school officials nationwide of the regulations concerning religion in schools.
Unlike the political situation, which has become divisive in some ways, “the educational arena came out unscathed” by increased attention on Islam since Sept. 11, said Shabbir Mansuri, founding director of the Council on Islamic Education.
Whereas Ramadan used to garner only cursory attention from public school teachers, Muslim education consultants say, interest in deeper understanding of the holiday has spiked.
“They want to know accurate information,” said Sharifa Alkhateeb, president of the Washington-based Muslim Education Council.
For teachers and administrators, as well as fellow students, explaining Ramadan helps the school accommodate the religious requirements of the holiday.
For example, at puberty, children begin to participate in the daily fast, which lasts from sunrise to sundown each day of the month. Many schools arrange for Muslim students to sit in the library during lunchtime so that they are not surrounded by food as they fast.
Educators cite Ramadan as a good opportunity to teach students about Islam and its practice. But teaching Ramadan in public schools has not been without controversy. Last year a federal judge said that the Byron Union School District in California could continue a three-week curriculum that emphasized role-playing exercises requiring, among other things, seventh-grade students to recite Muslim prayers.
Despite the ruling in the district's favor, the school suspended the program because of the outcry the lawsuit spawned.
Crucial to avoiding these kinds of problems, say educators, is understanding the difference between “teaching” and “teaching about” religion.
Role-playing exercises that require students to recite sacred words or imitate Muslim prayer practices simply are not appropriate.
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Originally posted by lazs2
sandie... you don't hate solicitors at all.... just ones with a religious undertone... you love the red cross and non denominatioal beggars who steal and missuse disaster money..
It is just the Salvation Army who are 98% efficient that you don't like.
I did not see you all upset durring katrina when everyone was asking to send money to the potatos at the red cross and other "charitable" organizations. You wouldn't mind them outside stores or calling you on the phone or sending you junk mail.
lazs
I can't fathom the point of this post. You don't know me.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I can't fathom the point of this post. You don't know me.
I think he reads your posts, they tell alot about us, our politics, our motives.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
they tell alot about us, our politics, our motives.
I don't believe that for a second.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I don't believe that for a second.
Don't force me to start quoting 13,420 posts! ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Don't force me to start quoting 13,420 posts! ;)
Quote away, but don't believe that you can draw accurate inferences.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Quote away, but don't believe that you can draw accurate inferences.
SO you've been lying all this time?:confused:
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no christmas for joo! (http://illwillpress.com/)
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I think the real point of all this is that the Conservative movement in America cannot exist without an enemy. Unless there is some grave threat to our very existance they got nothing. On one hand they are all for getting the government out of our lives, but all for getting the church of the majority into our lives. Like it or not.
But here is the thing.... no one is forcing you to be a muslim, no one is forcing you to be an atheist. No one can force Target or Walmart to stop saying Merry Christmas or Happy St. Visson's day or whatever. The only "attack on Christmas" is in the propaganda of the conservative movement.
You all enjoy your straw man ... set him up, knock him down... repeat as needed until it sounds like the truth.
:aok
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Straw man? How about real people out there doing real things to squish traditions and culture?
Most of this is never reported at a national level. One quick google search with key words will find many stories that you've not seen.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051129/LIFESTYLE04/511290380/1005/LIFESTYLE
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/11/30/de_christmasing_christmas/?p1=MEWell_Pos3
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29942
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3837
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35544
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/165854p-145167c.html
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Originally posted by midnight Target
But here is the thing.... no one is forcing you to be a muslim, no one is forcing you to be an atheist. No one can force Target or Walmart to stop saying Merry Christmas or Happy St. Visson's day or whatever. The only "attack on Christmas" is in the propaganda of the conservative movement.
:aok
It has nothing to do with conservatives, in my opinion. It's just that being "PC aware" has caused business to re-evaluate a lot of things. It's not really even political correctness......I'd say it's more that businesses are just trying to appeal to the people they think are the majority of their customer base. No big deal to me.
I'm not bothered by stores not mentioning Christmas or any other holiday. Then can and will do what they think is in their best interest. If enough people complain any of their policies, they usually adapt to that too.
I don't agree that the conservative movement could not exist without an enemy. What you are seeing in this "attack on Christmas" is not really political, I don't believe.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Straw man? How about real people out there doing real things to squish traditions and culture?
Most of this is never reported at a national level. One quick google search with key words will find many stories that you've not seen.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../1005/LIFESTYLE
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed...?p1=MEWell_Pos3
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=29942
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Article...cle.asp?ID=3837
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=35544
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/loc...4p-145167c.html
You just posted 6 links that either go nowhere or say nothing..
What are you gonna do now?
Go to Disneyland!!!!
Happy Holidays
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Fixed.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I think the real point of all this is that the Conservative movement in America cannot exist without an enemy.
Replace "Conservative" with "Liberal", "Progressive", "Fascist", or any other political term labeling a political philisophy for more equally true statements.
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"movement" would have to have something to move for/to or against/from so this would apply to any group.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
SO you've been lying all this time?:confused:
Think about it.
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Hi MT,
Originally posted by midnight Target
I think the real point of all this is that the Conservative movement in America cannot exist without an enemy. Unless there is some grave threat to our very existance they got nothing. On one hand they are all for getting the government out of our lives, but all for getting the church of the majority into our lives. Like it or not.
But here is the thing.... no one is forcing you to be a muslim, no one is forcing you to be an atheist. No one can force Target or Walmart to stop saying Merry Christmas or Happy St. Visson's day or whatever. The only "attack on Christmas" is in the propaganda of the conservative movement.
You all enjoy your straw man ... set him up, knock him down... repeat as needed until it sounds like the truth.
I'm hardly one to go around screaming about the elimination of Christmas from the public square, but I would put it to you that there is an undeniable spiritual dimension to all of this.
Take note of the article above on Ramadan being taught in public schools in Virginia (this mirrors recent teaching initiatives in states throughout the nation to introduce teaching on the fundamentals of Islam) and let me ask, why is it acceptable to teach about Islam in public schools, but even the most peripheral mention of Christianity has to be expunged? Apparently even the tunes to Christmas carols are unconstitutional, but bringing in the Council on Islamic Education (another Saudi Funded group btw) to teach Islam using their own workbooks is to be encouraged? MT, surely you can see a hopeless double standard in this approach. How else could you explain it except that - institutionally speaking - one religion is despised and the others are honored?
- SEAGOON
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If Islam were being taught instead of be 'taught about' I would agree. I see nothing wrong with teaching children the history and significance to a particular religion of Easter, or Ramadan or Chanuka or whatever.
The problem arises when religion becomes the message instead of a subject of study.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You just posted 6 links that either go nowhere or say nothing..
Odd. Every one of those links works perfectly for me
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Originally posted by midnight Target
If Islam were being taught instead of be 'taught about' I would agree. I see nothing wrong with teaching children the history and significance to a particular religion of Easter, or Ramadan or Chanuka or whatever.
The problem arises when religion becomes the message instead of a subject of study.
but I don't see a growing trend of where religion is the message instead of a subject. I see ALOT of minor things that MIGHT reference religion were a FEW people have nothing better to do and complain.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Odd. Every one of those links works perfectly for me
Yep, some are working now thanks.
Lets see what they say....
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051129/LIFESTYLE04/511290380/1005/LIFESTYLE
^ This one is about a family violating the rules of their home owners association. The one they agreed to abide by when they bought their house. Can you say "personal responsibility?" I knew you could.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/11/30/de_christmasing_christmas/?p1=MEWell_Pos3
^ an Op-ed piece about Boston calling it a Holiday Tree. I agree it is kinda silly to call it a Holiday Tree. an annual gift from the people of Nova Scotia -- is identified on Boston's official website as a ''holiday tree," the city's commissioner of parks and recreation sided firmly with the critics. ''This is a Christmas tree," Antonia Pollak declared. ''It's definitely a Christmas tree."
I looked on Boston's Web site, couldn't find a reference to a "Holiday Tree".
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=29942
^ bad link or it's gone.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Article...cle.asp?ID=3837
Another bad link, although I went to the main page (it is a very one sided site) and found an Op-ed on "Atheists for Christmas" ...........more opinions not more facts.
The rest... nothing.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
If Islam were being taught instead of be 'taught about' I would agree. I see nothing wrong with teaching children the history and significance to a particular religion of Easter, or Ramadan or Chanuka or whatever.
The problem arises when religion becomes the message instead of a subject of study.
See now I would agree totally in what you say here.
Problem is and what many are taking offense to is these other religions are often being included. While Christianity it traditions are intentionally being excluded.
Christians are in essence being told to be accepting to other faiths and traditions while their own and their own traditions are not being accepted.
Hence we now are seeing the "Holiday tree"
Which while yes did not originally start as a Christian thing has since been a Christian tradition for the last several hundred years.
The killer part that amuses me the most is no matter how many people I've talked to I have YET to come across one solitary person of whom is supposed to be being offended by a Christmas tree as being offended by it or being called a Christmas tree. In fact Many embrace it and all accept it for what its known as a "Christmas Tree"
Several I deal with regularly for several years now never fail to give me a Christmas gift near Christmas
Example. There are alot of Indians and Pakistanis here in NJ. While still very much a minority they are probably the single largest growing segment of the population. Some are Christian. Some Muslim, Most by far are Hindu
I get to deal with alot of them and I have yet to meet one who hasnt wished me a Merry Christmas. or that doesnt actually get a Christmas tree.
And you know what they call it??
Hold the phones and take a seat cause this is going to shock you.
they call it
A flipping "Christmas Tree"
No, they do not celebrate Christmas for the same reasons as us but they are absolutely in love with our tradition of HOW we celebrate it, With the tree, the lights. Santa and the Reindeer. And the Gifts on Christmas morning And they dont call it "Holiday" they call it "Christmas"
And yanno what else.
They arent offended.
I actually asked several about this and they arent.
They want to assimilate as Americans and just dont want their kids to feel left out. But they LOVE the idea of it because it to them is fun and they get an excuse to uncharacteristically spoil their kids and each other without actually doing so.
Which oddly enough is how Santa became so popular in this country to begin with.
They arent offended and they do not expect us to change just to suit them.
Contrary to popular belief these people want to be more like us
The only ones I've found that are worried about it being offensive to anyone are people who arent even of nationalities or the religions that are supposed to be offended by it.
Equally funny is this isnt just about religeon its just as much about tradition.
Most of these people dont want us to change our traditions for them.
they want to take in them with us
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Ok in a nutshell its like this.
the enemy is a group of people pushing to omit refrences to Christmas or religeon itself for that matter so as not to offend people whom the vast bulk of which arent even offended to begin with
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Straw man? How about real people out there doing real things to squish traditions and culture?
Most of this is never reported at a national level. One quick google search with key words will find many stories that you've not seen.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051129/LIFESTYLE04/511290380/1005/LIFESTYLE
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/11/30/de_christmasing_christmas/?p1=MEWell_Pos3
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29942
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3837
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35544
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/165854p-145167c.html
MT these all work for me
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I blame Barbra Streisand.
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Originally posted by Dago
I blame Barbra Streisand.
Yanno my mother used to have her..Christmas album.
Never quite got why she would make a Christmas album but she did.
and we. Unfortunately. Had it LMAO
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You are suspciously absent from this thread Midnight...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=166734&referrerid=3203
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Yanno my mother used to have her..Christmas album.
Never quite got why she would make a Christmas album but she did.
and we. Unfortunately. Had it LMAO
One word answer to why: MONEY.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
You are suspciously absent from this thread Midnight...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=166734&referrerid=3203
No I'm not.. I'm mentioned at least twice.
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What do you expect?
Les
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Originally posted by Sixpence
no christmas for joo! (http://illwillpress.com/)
Now why do you have to bring up Jews?:)
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Originally posted by Silat
Now why do you have to bring up Jews?:)
Watch the drugs in your head video http://www.illwillpress.com/vault.html
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MT - don't kid yourself, liberals are jumping up and down on this issue just as hard as conservatives (just look in the mirror)
The painful truth is that the enemy is "us." Americans have changed a great deal from the way we were in the past... a result of being the great meltingpot of cultures. America is no longer as homogenious as it was. Politicos from both sides use the issue like a baseball bat.
Merry Christmas MT :)
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sandie...maybe I don't really know "you"... more likely tho... you don't know you or.... maybe you are voicing opinions that are not your own on this BB...
Before you went all "pithy" and semi mute on us... your posts were very revealing... they still are by what you reply to and how.
I believe that my assesment of the person you are portraying here is accurate. I also believe that if you don't think it is...
That you are one of the few.
lazs
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Hi again MT,
Originally posted by midnight Target
If Islam were being taught instead of be 'taught about' I would agree. I see nothing wrong with teaching children the history and significance to a particular religion of Easter, or Ramadan or Chanuka or whatever.
The problem arises when religion becomes the message instead of a subject of study.
Respectfully, if the local school system were to contact me and invite me to come teach a course on the history, doctrine, and practice of Christianity using my own materials and bringing Christian kids "to share the practices and beliefs", they would have the ACLU all over them faster than you can say "Holiday Tree." The program would immediately be accused of being a not-so-subtle attempt to "indoctrinate impressionable children." For instance, let me simply ask Silat (who is actually a little more tolerant than the average ACLU lawyer), if he would be ok with programs where evangelical Christian pastors and evangelical kids teach what they want to about Christianity in the public schools.
If schools can't even add "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" to a reading program without being accused of crossing the mythical constitutional line, then "Christianity 101" certainly isn't going to pass muster with the comrade lawyers.
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Another non-existant salvo in the imaginary vendetta of the left against the holiday. This time...earth muffins!
Link (http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=2005-12-15T130305Z_01_MCC546851_RTRIDST_0_OUKOE-UK-ENVIRONMENT-AUSTRALIA-CHRISTMAS.XML)
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Holiday = Holy Day
Main Entry: 1hol·i·day
Pronunciation: 'hä-l&-"dA, British usually 'hä-l&-dE
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hAligdæg, from hAlig holy + dæg day
1 : HOLY DAY
2 : a day on which one is exempt from work; specifically : a day marked by a general suspension of work in commemoration of an event
3 chiefly British : a period of relaxation : VACATION -- often used in the phrase on holiday; often used in plural
Main Entry: holy day
Function: noun
: a day set aside for special religious observance
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Quite right Sandy, so why on earth are so many avowed atheists taking time off for a holy day in the first place?
Besides, if I have to work right through the season, why shouldn't everyone else. ;)
- SEAGOON
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I take vacation because my kids are home from school. ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
Quote away, but don't believe that you can draw accurate inferences.
Simple question...do you believe in the God of the Bible?
Please...just a simple yes or no.
Thanks
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Click here ------> for a Politically incorrect Christmas Greeting (http://www.pickyourownchristmastree.org/message.php) ;)
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi again MT,
Respectfully, if the local school system were to contact me and invite me to come teach a course on the history, doctrine, and practice of Christianity using my own materials and bringing Christian kids "to share the practices and beliefs", they would have the ACLU all over them faster than you can say "Holiday Tree." The program would immediately be accused of being a not-so-subtle attempt to "indoctrinate impressionable children." For instance, let me simply ask Silat (who is actually a little more tolerant than the average ACLU lawyer), if he would be ok with programs where evangelical Christian pastors and evangelical kids teach what they want to about Christianity in the public schools.
If schools can't even add "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" to a reading program without being accused of crossing the mythical constitutional line, then "Christianity 101" certainly isn't going to pass muster with the comrade lawyers.
OTOH, holding a class on christianity in an American public school would be like teaching Eskimos about snow.
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Originally posted by Rude
Simple question...do you believe in the God of the Bible?
Please...just a simple yes or no.
Thanks
Within the context of this thread, the quote you used was an irrelevant hijack, but I'll answer your question.
No.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
OTOH, holding a class on christianity in an American public school would be like teaching Eskimos about snow.
I find that the vast majority of "christians" are remarkably uninformed. Few take the time to actually read the bible.
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What is really funny about this thread...
Is that the US has no official religion to bas so to speak.
We do. We've got a state religion - we're Lutherans.
Knw what we call Christmans?
Yule.
That's about a 10/10 on the Pagan High Score List.
:D