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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: syncrII on December 15, 2005, 05:49:58 AM
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Moin
i want this for my JU
(http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Bilder/Ju88/Ju88P1-1.jpg)
or this
(http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Bilder/Ju88/ju88P-2%20Mk103.jpg)
im geting tired about using the il2 for ground attack lol.
i want my german konterpart.
If we get these option. the ju88 goes up to an alrownd talent from ground attack to buff hunting everythink is posible :-).
hope we get it some times.
cu chris3
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These versions were probably Rustsatz's (field modifications) I doubt they manufactured in factories, and if they were, it would probably be a limited edition.
P.S. note that your second picture is actually a Ju-88 nightfighter
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Originally posted by frank3
These versions were probably Rustsatz's (field modifications) I doubt they manufactured in factories, and if they were, it would probably be a limited edition.
P.S. note that your second picture is actually a Ju-88 nightfighter
Moin
Sure it is a ruestsatz, i have diverent informatins about the use of the 7,5cm Pak. some saied the prototype workes well and thay started to manufactur it in series. and the other information says it doesnt work well.
About the nightfighter it is a p2.
It was a version used as nightfigter and dayfighter.
My information sais it was used in night and at the day jagt against the havy bomber strome. sure she wasnt used until the late war. but i hered about some attacks at the day light in the earlya war.
cu chris3
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But dang....it would be awesome to have a gun like that at your disposal :cool:
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How many 21cm rockets did Ju88 day fighters carry?
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Originally posted by Debonair
How many 21cm rockets did Ju88 day fighters carry?
Moin
Im sure thay tryed it because many interetenings things were testet in the war for exampel the me 163 armet with rockets (by Erprobungskomando 16 one kill is rekorded). But never get some informations about the 21mm rockets on the ju 88.
cu chris3
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I've read books by USAAF combat pilots that tell of escorted daylight rocket attacks by Ju88 pilots & was wondering how many 21cm rockets would by loaded on one of these planes
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Originally posted by Debonair
I've read books by USAAF combat pilots that tell of escorted daylight rocket attacks by Ju88 pilots & was wondering how many 21cm rockets would by loaded on one of these planes
wow, thats interestening. i will start a search about that. hope i will find something.
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Going by the way the 110G was armed, 2 per wing outside the engines. The Me410 had a similar setup too, and I would think it was a common rutsatz.
So 4 total.
Forget the late-war P and S series! Let's have a solid-nose C series! That were the first fighter variant with a solid nose!
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Originally posted by Krusty
Forget the late-war P and S series! Let's have a solid-nose C series! That were the first fighter variant with a solid nose!
Im not sure if you could say it was a fighter...because obviously, the Ju-88 wasn't manoeuvrable enough to compete with fighters.
But night-fighter would be more appropriate though (although IMO that it should be a night 'attacker' instead)
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I would be satisfied if we even got the single MG FF which was standard nose armament for A4 variant. IRL It could be either fixed of the bomber could aim it.
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No, I don't think an MG/FF was standard on the A-4 series. You might want to double check that.
Frank: The Ju88 even as a bomber was claimed to have been a very aerobatic airplane. It was probably better than the 110G, and for sure a more stable platform for night fighting.
The solid-nose C had (going from memory here) 3x 7mms and 3x 20mms all firing forward.
It's a HUGE monster, but I'd take it buff hunting any day!! :P
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A question: What do we do with non-manouverable night fighter in this game when the night does not exist in MA.
EDIT: And the Icons prevent using the non-existant night as an advantage.
Please dont answer that it would be a great addition for CT or SEA setups, because there is a bunch of aircraft that are non existant in AH that would be a great addition (and should have earned their place in AH anyway) to CT and SEA setups. Like Heinkel 111, I-16, Yak-1 (that were produced in thousands), Fiat G.50, Brewster etc.
IMHO I dont think we need annother version of the same old types we have already. I mean like 7 different versions of spitfire and were missing historically crucial planes like mentioned above, whats the point in that??
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You say non manuverable, do you? Well I compared it to the 110G and that sees far more use than many of the "vital CT needed planes".
Yes yes I'm all for the He111 and planes that would round out the planeset (I've been calling for the Heinkel for ages), but this topic is about the Ju88 and variants. Coincidentally I'd like to see the Ju188 (not discussed in this topic so far).
So, going back to this topic, nobody was all screaming for the next plane AH does to be a Ju88 variant. We're simply discussing it.
Besides, if you think the Ju88a4 is anything like the Ju88C-x you'd be proven very wrong. Without the bomb load and with the heavy forward firepower it would be an awesome Zerstorer-type plane.
Like I said, huge as hell (making a big target) but still awesome.
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Originally posted by KAntti
A question: What do we do with non-manouverable night fighter in this game when the night does not exist in MA.
Actually the Ju-88A we have now is quite maneuverable for it's size. The only reasons they are rarely seen taking advantage of this is because they tend to fly in formations and because the gun in front is useless. Still, I've flown a few people into the ground that thought my '88 in divebomber mode was helpless. Add even those early-war MG/FF's to the nose and you'd have something fairly effective against lighter fighters. I'd fly it :aok
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Sorry Crusty, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Ju88, yet anyway, since theres only one version. I'll get back to you if we have seven Ju88 versions and still missing the Heinkel :D
The basic idea of having also the "x-planes" or the "try for seven days" -versions in the game is fine with me, but from some reason I see red when I read the wishlist and find it to comprise of completely exentric (propably spelled wrong) aircraft. And meantime HT is producing Spit variants.
Wouldn't it be great if we could suggest in force that the rest of most videly used and crucial WW2 aircraft to be added before any more of spit or other variants are added? Thats first in my wishlist. I'll go and start a new thread on this. :D
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Heheheh, that is indeed a good wish, but remember that HTC is doing what they can as fast as they can, while also working on TOD. Should we all start shouting loudly for "xxxx plane next!" they might just stop adding planes altogether until we settle down =(
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You, Krusty are of course correct and we must consider the stress the upkeep of the "system" requires of HT team.
But still I would propose that if there are resources directed towards renewing or widening the spectrum of models of AH, I (in the most humble way possible) would suggest that instead of making variants of old models, they spent more time producing a new fresh model instead.
Now I've had this crazy idea for couple of months to ask HT how much a model creating costs (base cost) in labor, just in case there is a point in "order" ing of a model, but this is purely an idea, an hypotesis.
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I think that we shall see this in the future.
The spitfires have been an issue for such a long time, it was either now or never, and we as the AH community could not wait any longer. The 109s were not going to be changed until somebody suggested that the lineup change. The 109s and spitfires were such important planes during the war that we had to do something about them.
I think that when the B17 is redone we will just get a B17. I think that when the Hurricane is redone we will just get the hurricane. These and 90% of all the AH planes do not need new variants. I think we will just see the old models redone to new standards. Ideally, we shouldn't get any new planes until the oldest models (d3a and the like) get redone. I'd like to see that.
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"No, I don't think an MG/FF was standard on the A-4 series. You might want to double check that."
Well, the Finnish JU88A4s had them and Germany certainly gave us no special equipment but very standard stuff.
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No MG/FF was standard on the Ju88As as far as I've ever heard, and especially not on the A4... Are you sure it wasn't a later model?
EDIT: By that I mean I could be wrong, but if you've got more proof I'd be glad to see it.
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Krusty, I tried to find any picture of a A4 with MG FF but couldn't find it.
I just read a book about JU88 squadrons in Finland and the cannon was there almost in every picture. AFAIK it was removed only if they needed to use the levelbombing sight, and I got the impression that they left it off later on as it was rarely used.
But I would use it :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Cm9JEwoqQ&search=finnish%20bombers
Sry for digging up an old topic but found some evidence on Finnish 88 MG FF issue.
Notice that the configuration is not the standard A14 cannon armament but a different one lacking the case ejection tube.
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Originally posted by Krusty
....I think that when the Hurricane is redone we will just get the hurricane. These and 90% of all the AH planes do not need new variants...
Come on Krusty, we NEED the MkIIB.....love those 12 .303's :D
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Charge: Interesting! It looks like it would be very limited in angle of fire and how you could use it. I wonder why they put there to begin with??
Definitely non-standard. As to who put it there and when -- I have no clue.
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Alfarrabista/3116L.jpg
That link is the standard setup, with the window being used by the level-bombing bombsight.
Maybe the Finns didn't get an A-4? Maybe they got a later export version? The film was from '43, and the A-4 was a '40/'41 variant.
Zorst: I wouldn't neglect it if we had the IIB, but I don't think we "need" it nor do I expect to get it :)
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hell ya put some cannons on that bad boy
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I found a profile of a Ju88A-14 from 1944 that had one. I think it's not an A-4.
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Originally posted by Krusty
...Zorst: I wouldn't neglect it if we had the IIB, but I don't think we "need" it nor do I expect to get it :) ....
Very true, back around the old days (tour 10 or so) didn't we get new planes almost every update? Not hacking on HTC as I am sure ToD aka CT aka something new this week is taking most of their time, BUT the supply of new A/C seems to have dropped off :)
Well maybe Schatzi and I will see our beloved Hurri Mk2B before 2010 :D
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lol I don't know but in AH 1.... 1... whatever... toward the end before 2.0 came out, AH went over a year without a new plane. Actually if memory serves it went a couple without any new planes.
When they're working on bigger things, "new planes" fall to the wayside.
Like you, I love HTC, and I'm not raggin' on 'em. Just making an observation or two. :aok
P.S. Going back to topic I want a solid-nose Ju88!!!
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Okay this comes form the official service book for JU88A4:
Every delivery package of a JU88 delivered to Finland consisted of a single 20mm MG FF. It was not a field modification but a part of regular armament options.
You either had the MG FF OR the level bombing sight (Lofte, BZA) in the plane.
The cannon had either a 60 round or a 90 round ammo drum.
If the back of the cannon was locked into place the firing mechanism was connected to pilots controller so he could fire it using a reflector sight, or if the observer unlocked the gun he could shoot it within a rather limited arch.
The cannon armed JU88s were used in Finland to attack troop transportations and shipping.
So, it was a standard armament option for A4. :)
Needless to say but I'd like to have it.
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Interesting... I've known about the Ju88A-4 for a long time, (not an expert, but still new a bit) and this is the first time -- ever... EVER! -- I've heard that. There's almost no pictures of it anywhere, that I can find. I've seen one "color plate" with a profile of an A-14, and your film footage!
Might have been somewhat rare? I'm making a guess as to why it's not in AH now.
Although, if we had it, we could not level bomb, and the Ju88 wouldn't get formations. :(
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Is it possible that the cannon was a standard loadout for the export Ju-88A4's? Or maybe something that the fin's asked be built into theirs at the factory?
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No idea.
Usually they Krauts exported different versions than those they used. I.e. the Turkish 190s had MG/FF inboard and MT17s outboard (none of those nice Mauser cannon!) or something where it had 4x MG17 and 2x MG/FF.
It's not unlikely that they had variations on the Ju88, but if this was one I don't know.
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Talk about grave digging.. :D
Again about MG-FF in JU88A4:
http://www.ju88.equitatura.de/rustsatze_e.htm
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too bad my german is limit to hogan heros and stalag 17
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Originally posted by syncrII
im geting tired about using the il2 for ground attack lol.
i want my german konterpart.
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/ju87g-4.jpg)
(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2919L.jpg)
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Originally posted by Charge
Okay this comes form the official service book for JU88A4:
Every delivery package of a JU88 delivered to Finland consisted of a single 20mm MG FF. It was not a field modification but a part of regular armament options.
You either had the MG FF OR the level bombing sight (Lofte, BZA) in the plane.
The cannon had either a 60 round or a 90 round ammo drum.
If the back of the cannon was locked into place the firing mechanism was connected to pilots controller so he could fire it using a reflector sight, or if the observer unlocked the gun he could shoot it within a rather limited arch.
The cannon armed JU88s were used in Finland to attack troop transportations and shipping.
So, it was a standard armament option for A4. :)
Needless to say but I'd like to have it.
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Hey Charge, is that service manual available online ?
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"Hey Charge, is that service manual available online ?"
Sry, don't think so. I don't actually recall if it is in German or Finnish...
It is possible that Finnish Virtualpilots Association has it scanned from actual documents.
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