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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Lye-El on December 15, 2005, 10:03:36 AM
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Sign me up! can I get it delivered in a plain brown wrapper?
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Too funny!
Lye-El...check your PMs :)
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Looking for writers? Editors? Photographers?
Lets get this thing off the ground!
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Furball will model for booz.
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Originally posted by Lye-El
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La7 should be on the cover instead.
Karaya
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Hah! A Spit IX and a Spit XVI on the cover. I'm in! :)
Future articles.
"Augering with style"
"Is it running or extending?"
"Proper 4-engine bomber dive bombing techniques."
"How to recognize an enemy Dar Bar and avoid the fight at all costs."
etc etc
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More future articles....
"A "How To" guide: Warping on Demand and making sure you always win collisions"
"How to be an elite know it all who belittles everyone else for not playing the way they want you to"
"Spit16 vs. LA7...Which is easier to fly??"
"Winter Fashion Guide"
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I'll contribute some quizzes:
"SlobberDonkey or Castrati: Take the quiz and find out"
"Was it a) he warped b) he cheated or c) you just suck?"
and a column:
"4 on 1 with Shane: "
opening columns:
"The art of smack talk"
"So you think you have what it takes"
"Alt and #'s - how to fight with a disadvantage"
:aok
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Another article that comes to mind after watching the text buffer last night in the MA.
"Birdo-My love affair with the Blue Knights."
also titled: "I've lost my mittens!"
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Coming next issue :
How to Stalk the elite's and cherry pick them when there busy .
(Special tips and secrets by xmarine)
Along with "whats tougher the 190 or the toolshed".
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"New Study Establishes Statistical Link Between Vulching and Fingerpainting."
- oldman
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"Why the Betties Died"
Following the release of documents under the Freedom of Information Act and a series of interviews with some of the inmates at the Happy View Retirement Home for the Clinically Dweebish, Psychologist and Paranormal Researcher, Mary Hinge re-opens the discussion on one of the most disturbing passages in scenario history and comes up with the startling suggestion that the Betties died, "....because they secretly wanted to."
This controversial piece is guaranteed to open some old wounds but hopes to finally set the record straight on a story which has so far refused to go away.
Next Week : Aircraft Recognition - The Spitfire
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More future articles....
Life as a BK, why they all suck.:rofl
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Originally posted by Dipsy
"Why the Betties Died"
Yeah this needed to be resurected.
DD
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Harry Potter and the Buff Gunner of Doom.
Puffy Ack: Omniscient or just Psychic?
Pilot wounds - how I learned to love them.
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Up, Turn and Die : Life of a Furballer
Porking for Beginners
Capped Fields...Friend or Foe?
Killshooter Anecdotes!
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Another article that comes to mind after watching the text buffer last night in the MA.
"Birdo-My love affair with the Blue Knights."
also titled: "I've lost my mittens!"
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
That was pretty pathetic wasn't it? :)
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Originally posted by BigR
"How to be an elite know it all who belittles everyone else for not playing the way they want you to"
Just shorten it up to "How to be an elite know it all who belittles everyone else" and staff expert Shane can write it.
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
That was pretty pathetic wasn't it? :)
FILM!
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I can contribute:
"How to fly the P-38 poorly"
"Shoot chutes: a new pilot's guide"
"6 calls: Make them or suffer hell's inferno"
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funny :aok
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I wanna read the feature about "Self Harm" the double account addiction.:rofl
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
That was pretty pathetic wasn't it? :)
I'm still not sure how my plane managed to turn with Birdo and attempt to rope him while I was alt-tabbed out responding to some messages on the squad forum. Remind me to stay away from whatever he was smoking. :aok
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by DeadDuck
Yeah this needed to be resurected.
DD
I vaguely remember this...was it a scenario?
PS: QUACK!!
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Originally posted by DeadDuck
Yeah this needed to be resurected.
DD
True, much like the defecating airfields incident, shift can be a tricky
word to misspell :D
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Up, Turn and Die : Life of a Furballer
You mean life of someone who has no clue how to furball.:lol :rofl
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Originally posted by mars01
You mean life of someone who has no clue how to furball.:lol :rofl
Mars buddy, you know I love ya like a brother, but you haven't managed even 2+ kills per death or 1.5+ kill per sortie....ever....not once...I would hardly call you the Omnicient King of Furballing and Undisputed Critic of others who also enjoy furballing...Statistically you basically seem to dive in with some E, flail around for a bit as you spray, translate your energy into perhaps 1 kill on average before your inevitable demise in your fairly Uber Spitfire. Not exactly an inspiring resume from a self-professed Furball Master.
Zazen
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I hope it has interesting interviews like this
This issue Moe interviews the self appointed "God of Spit Pilots," Manx. This interview took place in St. Paul, Minn., where Manx lives with his widowed mother. He is 39 years old, never been married, and is an unemployed security guard.
Moe : Manx lives in a modest yet neat house built in the 50s. An elderly, kind looking woman answered my ring and introduced herself as Bernice Thigmon, Manx's ( real name Squigmon) mother. She led the way to Manx's open door, where he was standing, peering intently at his monitor. I paused for a second, watching him stare at his DAR screen, and got my first look at this Air Warrior legend.
Manx is easily 6' 4" yet I doubt he weighs a buck thirty five. He was wearing white jean shorts that, in spite of their bagginess were TOO short, and a Bart Simpson t shirt. His head bowed towards the monitor screen accented his large Adams apple and lack of a chin. Combined with his thick glasses and greasy hair standing straight out he had the appearance of an anorexic turkey. His legs resembled golf clubs more than legs, and his skin was so pale it fairly shone. He noticed my presence with a start, and we began the interview.
Manx : Hi, you must be Moe. I am Manx, King of Spits, the greatest pilot in Air Warrior today.
Moe : Pleased to meet a legend, sir, and I'm doubly pleased to catch you while you're flying. Mind if I watch?
Manx : (Adams apple bobbing, looking uncomfortable) Well, I don't know... my team mates get pissed off if I help enemy pilots improve by watching me....but....(looks introspective) OK, I'll let you watch.
Moe : Manx, what do you owe your success to?
Manx : I have developed MANX'S 10 RULES OF FLYING. Follow these rules and you'll have great success...that, and I fly a Spit, which is like racing tricycles in a Cobra. You'd have to bee a real dweeb to lose. Watch and learn.
Moe : Thank you, Manx. I see you're at 35k 2 sectors away from the fight. What are you doing now?
Manx : I'm grabbing, studying the Situational Awareness to judge the right time to enter enemy territory. That is the first step to being a great pilot, and I am the greatest. (Stands tall, rubs one foot on the shin of his other leg as his Adams apple bobs rapidly, giving him the appearance of a weird bird doing an even weirder mating dance)
Moe : Well, when will that be?
Manx : When there are more friendly markers in that sector than enemy markers. MANX RULE 1 is "never enter a sector where there's more enemies than friendlies".. that's why I fly Azs. A huge numerical advantage works for my style of fighting.
Moe : Manx, your detractors say it's easier getting kills in a Spitfire, and that anyone can fly one, yet you proclaim your squad to be "elite spit pilots." Your response?
Manx : Yeah, I admit it's easier flying a Spit, but the trick with flying a Spitfire is to try to get multiple kills in o_ne. Why, I can get 3 kills a mission in o_ne. That's what makes me....truly elite.
Moe : I see. So your logic is that flying the easiest plane to fly makes you elite? Because you can get kills in o_ne?
Manx : Exactly.
Moe : The markers in the next sector indicate that there's more Azs than Bzs. Are you going to fight now?
Manx : Naw, I'll let them fight and use up their energy. MANX RULE 2 is "make sure your targets are busy" ..I never engage unless my target is fighting at least 3 of my teammates....(staring at monitor, Adams Apple bobbing) ...now I'll in...
Moe : (watches Manx cherry pick a nme A4 that was fighting 4 Azs) Uh....sheeesh, Manx, you stole that o_ne from your teammates.
Manx : KILL!!! (typing o_n Ch 1) A4 nice 1 o_n 1 fight you had alt but I am Manx and I am great so you died.
Moe : Uh...Manx, that guy was low and slow...and very busy...you didn't have alt..
Manx : He was a tough fight, co alt 1 o_n 1. Oh, look!!! A low Dora! And he's smoking bad! IN!!!
Moe : (watches as Manx shoots the crippled- and bingo- Dora) Damn, Manx, that was cold...
Manx : MANX RULE 3-"always shoot cripples" (typing o_n Ch 1) Dora nice fight you had alt but I am Manx and I am great so you died.
Moe : Sheeesh, Manx- you were 25k, man.
Manx : Yeah, right, so I took a chance. Oh, look! A buff!! Co- Alt! I'm grabbing!
Moe : You don't fight co alt buffs?
Manx : MANX RULE 4- "never expose yourself to enemy guns"-and buffs have gunners.
Moe : Hmm, I see. So you o_nly fight cripples, busy enemies, and ungunned buffs?
Manx : Yeah. MANX RULE 5- "never take chances".
Moe : What's that low dot over there?
Manx : It's a Goonie!! In!! (drops 25k, shoots the straight flying Goonie, begins typing o_n Ch 1) KILL 3 for Manx!! I am Manx, I am great! z0545, great fight. You had alt and you were warping, but I am Manx and I am great! Relog, please!
Moe : Uh..Manx, I never saw that drone warp...
Manx : MANX RULE 6- "always claim to be out altituted and out numbered".
Moe : Look, there's a team mate of yours fighting 2 enemies. Are you going to help?
Manx : (looking disgusted) See MANX RULE 5, Moe. Sheesh.
Moe : Oh, yeah. Sorry, I forgot.
Manx : (typing o_n Ch 1) Kill 4 for Manx, the greatest pilot EVER!!! PJ, nice fight you and your 4 friends had alt and were warping, but I am Manx and I am great!
Moe : Manx...you didn't just get anyone then...why are you claiming a kill?
Manx : MANX RULE 7- "promote yourself." Unless you remind everyone just how great you are, they'll forget.
Moe : I see. Do you fly anything but Spits?
Manx : Yes, I fly ponys, but o_nly if the Azs have a 5 to 1 pilot advantage.
Moe : Manx, look! There's a high dot coming!
Manx : (looking concerned) Oh- oh....its a high Dora...oooohhhh....(begins to shake visibly) oh man he's after me...(looks very scared, begins to sweat, Addams apple bobbing crazily) Nooo....(hops o_n o_ne foot) i don't wanna die...and I violated MANX RULE 8..."always have ack to run to"...(shaking so hard he can barely hold his joystick)
Moe : (watches the Dora start to close as Manx begins sobbing) Manx, he's closing fast!
Manx : (begins wetting pants) Oh please nooooooo...Don't shoot me...I am Manx....I am great.....(red screen flashes as Dora shoots Manx) NO!!!!! NO!!!!!! (typing o_n Ch 1) Dora, you had alt, you had buddies and you had luck! Duel me in that crate! C'mon coward! I am Manx! I am great! Let's duel! You warped! Your buddies jumped in! You're a cheater! I was bingo!
Moe : Manx, you're challanging him to DUEL you? in a Dora?
Manx : (still visibly shaken, Adams Apple bobbing as he sobs, wet spot o_n front of pants spreading) MANX RULE 9..."never go down gracefully-always call them cheating cowards."
Moe : Uh...I see.
(At this point Manx's mother joins us)
Ms. Thigmon: Squigmon, would you like some cookies and milk?
Manx : (looks embarrassed, begins squirming around in an effort to hide his wet pants) Gosh, Ma...
Ms. Thigmon: (noticing wet spot o_n Manx's pants) Squigmon, I see you forgot RULE 10 again...
Moe : Rule 10? What is that?
Ms. Thigmon: Always wear Depends while flying. That's MY rule.
Manx : Gosh, Ma...
And so, dear readers, as Manx had to change his wet pants and it was getting late I thanked them for the interview and for MANX'S 10 RULES OF FLYING. o_n my way to the airport in my rental Ford Pinto, though, I was struck by o_ne thought- In all the interviews I've conducted, with all the different pilots, there's always been something that's surprised me about each and every o_ne of them- except Manx. He is exactly as he acts o_n Air Warrior, he looks exactly like I thought he would, and his ego is nearly as large as his Adams Apple.
Moe
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Mars buddy, you know I love ya like a brother, but you haven't managed even 2+ kills per death or 1.5+ kill per sortie....ever....not once...I would hardly call you the Omnicient King of Furballing and Undisputed Critic of others who also enjoy furballing...Statistically you basically seem to dive in with some E, flail around for a bit as you spray, translate your energy into perhaps 1 kill on average before your inevitable demise in your fairly Uber Spitfire. Not exactly an inspiring resume from a self-professed Furball Master.
Zazen, Nice try but no cigar. Find one post of mine where I proclaim to be any other master than a Master Bater! :D Unlike you, I never did nor do proclaim to be one of the greats or care if people think I am or not. I fly for the fights not the score. When is the last time you fought a 2 or 3 Vs you and won. Probably never.
I do not criticize others that like to furball. I criticize those that talk about furballing yet have no clue what a furball is and have rarely if ever fought in one. Anyone who describes furballing as "Up, Turn and Die : Life of a Furballer" has no clue about furballing. Now it was probably in jest but, I couldn't help myself LOL.
"Statistically you basically seem to dive in with some E, flail around for a bit as you spray, translate your energy into perhaps 1 kill on average before your inevitable demise in your fairly Uber Spitfire. "
Man I love when you say things that are more telling about you and your style, then anything else. "Statistically" LOLH yeah of course you would speak "Statistically", because "Statistically" favors guys like you, who have to have every advantage going before they decide to engage.
For starters, "Statistically"/score means nothing. Until the score system stops rewarding Vulchers, Cherry Pickers and Timid Flyers it will always mean nothing.
As I have told you many times before, I attack GVs, shoot ack etc while scoring as a fighter. I fly into unsurmountable odds most of the time. Unlike you, who flies high in the sky nestled in the Rook Horde, so as not to hurt your score.
I fly to kill and know that those who have fought me will make up their mind as to the kind of skills I may possess (not that it matters to me what others think either way, IMO).
Where as you fly to score, because you think it means something, so you can pretend that you are some great fighter. You are the one constantly going on how great you are, how much skill you have blah, blah, blah. What makes me laugh even more is when you go on about how you are a seasoned vet with mad skillz and have ten plus years in this game. LOLH, having 10 plus years in this game and being as mediocre as you are, only exagerates my point. I expect guys with 10 plus years to be at the Leviathan level not the "Cherry Picking, Safe Flying, Horde Hiding In" level.
Now lets talk Uber planes - Yes the spit is quite capable and 1 vs 1 not much of a challenge to be good in. Now, consider flying into odds where you are routinely flying into 3 or more Vs 1. Even the Uber Spit is a challenge.
No lets look at your selection:
Typhoon IB 174
Ostwind 161
Tempest 8
P-51D 8
F6F-5 4
P-47-D40 2
Gee, Is there any other planes more uber for Perch sitting and Cherry Picking than the Typhoon, Tempest or P51. I think not.
Now yeah, I love ya like a brother but your still wrong. :aok :D
Now enough of this, it has warmed up enough to go preheat and fly the Pitts so [rant off] :D
BTW - since you are deathly afraid of the DA, when do you want to wing up? We'll fly one night the way I fly, then we'll fly one night the way you fly (or visa versa) and see what's what. You can even fly as one of your shade accounts so you don't defile your Zazen charade.
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Originally posted by mars01
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Where as you fly to score, because you think it means something, so you can pretend that you are some great fighter. You are the one constantly going on how great you are, how much skill you have blah, blah, blah. What makes me laugh even more is when you go on about how you are a seasoned vet with mad skillz and have ten plus years in this game. LOLH, having 10 plus years in this game and being as mediocre as you are, only exagerates my point. I expect guys with 10 plus years to be at the Leviathan level not the "Cherry Picking, Safe Flying, Horde Hiding In" level.
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I never said I was great, or even good at anything. It's just unlike you I don't attack people who think differently or approach the game differently than I do. Yes I have 15 years experience, that's doesn't mean I am great, or even want to be great. What it means is I've seen everything, I've seen 500 guys like you come and go and preach about how their way of fighting is the sacred holy cow of WW2 Air Combat simulation and any other is just a lowly sack of chit. It's tiresome, if you enjoy diving into 3 guys in your Spit and feel good about it after you maybe kill one before you die, that's great, I'm truly happy for you, you've found that secret sumfin' that floats your particular boat. But, I know this may come as a shock to you, alot of people not only don't find that particularly fun or interesting, but rather kind of a pointless exercise and certainly no proof of a large noodle or any such crap you like to peddle in here...
Zazen
PS. I do not play for score, I simply play to kill and survive, I would and have flown the EXACT same way with no scoring whatsoever or completely anonymously, it's just the way I enjoy flying, I am not trying to 'prove' anything, I'm simply just having fun in my own way, whether you can appreciate or even understand that I don't know, but either way....Have A Nice Day! :aok
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I never said I was great, or even good at anything.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I never said I was great, or even good at anything.
You beg to differ with yourself. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130018&highlight=zazen+great+ostwind)
"In AH it is rare indeed that a single individual can have such a great impact upon so many enemy, especially now that HQ is harder. I agree that if there were alot of people that could even come close to reproducing my results in the Ostwind it would perhaps be detrimental to overall gameplay. But, the fact remains I have a singular talent that so far as I know has no peer. This is spite of the fact that I have made all of my techniques, hints and tricks public domain on this very forum. "
:rofl
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Mars buddy, you know I love ya like a brother, but you haven't managed even 2+ kills per death or 1.5+ kill per sortie....ever....not once...I would hardly call you the Omnicient King of Furballing and Undisputed Critic of others who also enjoy furballing...Statistically you basically seem to dive in with some E, flail around for a bit as you spray, translate your energy into perhaps 1 kill on average before your inevitable demise in your fairly Uber Spitfire. Not exactly an inspiring resume from a self-professed Furball Master.
Zazen
Once again you know not of which you speak.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You beg to differ with yourself. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130018&highlight=zazen+great+ostwind)
"In AH it is rare indeed that a single individual can have such a great impact upon so many enemy, especially now that HQ is harder. I agree that if there were alot of people that could even come close to reproducing my results in the Ostwind it would perhaps be detrimental to overall gameplay. But, the fact remains I have a singular talent that so far as I know has no peer. This is spite of the fact that I have made all of my techniques, hints and tricks public domain on this very forum. "
:rofl
-- Todd/Leviathn
Ok, I AM great in a flak, I'll admit it. :D But, we were talking about fightering related stuff which I am definately not great at. ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by DipStick
Once again you know not of which you speak.
You and my wife agree on something and it's kinda freaking me out! :O
Is your real name Jessica??!?! :eek:
Zazen
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I never said I was great, or even good at anything. It's just unlike you I don't attack people who think differently or approach the game differently than I do. Yes I have 15 years experience, that's doesn't mean I am great, or even want to be great. What it means is I've seen everything, I've seen 500 guys like you come and go and preach about how their way of fighting is the sacred holy cow of WW2 Air Combat simulation and any other is just a lowly sack of chit. It's tiresome, if you enjoy diving into 3 guys in your Spit and feel good about it after you maybe kill one before you die, that's great, I'm truly happy for you, you've found that secret sumfin' that floats your particular boat. But, I know this may come as a shock to you, alot of people not only don't find that particularly fun or interesting, but rather kind of a pointless exercise and certainly no proof of a large noodle or any such crap you like to peddle in here...
Zazen
PS. I do not play for score, I simply play to kill and survive, I would and have flown the EXACT same way with no scoring whatsoever or completely anonymously, it's just the way I enjoy flying, I am not trying to 'prove' anything, I'm simply just having fun in my own way, whether you can appreciate or even understand that I don't know, but either way....Have A Nice Day!
HAHAHAHHAHa LOLHROTFFPAOM:rofl
Get it right Zaz, I attack people who talk out of their arse not for the way they fly. Do I think Perch sitting and Cherry picking are lame? Sure, it's just another way of vulching, but then different strokes I guess.
You have come a long way since you started posting a year or two ago. I must say I am glad that you have toned down the "Hi I'm Zazen the best fighter pilot of the game with superb blah, blah, blah. " baloney.
But don't tell me you don't fly for score. You have shades accounts so as not to screw up your sacred Zazen farse score. You attacked me based on score alone, not having the where withall to know score is a very poor measuring stick.
And I think you will be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks flying with every advantage in your pocket, which you call "Flying to Survive" is not super easy mode for most and boring for other people to run into.
Big Max put it best, when after a fight he said. "Nice kill Mars, I like to take chances and push the edge. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but it makes it more fun for everyone."
I couldn't have agreed more with him.
It's you guys that are afraid to get shot, afraid to leave the horde, afraid to take a chance, afraid to give up an advantage that are the worst guys to run into in this game. Your combined ACM consist of Flying high above stalking some unsuspecting con until he is engaged and then swwoping in and shooting them. Why else fly a Typhoon all the time. All it really does very well is Swwop in, spit out uber cannons and Run. WOW what a skill set LOLH.
If you disagree, take me up on my offer:
BTW - since you are deathly afraid of the DA, when do you want to wing up? We'll fly one night the way I fly, then we'll fly one night the way you fly (or visa versa) and see what's what. You can even fly as one of your shade accounts so you don't defile your Zazen charade.
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Originally posted by mars01
All it really does very well is Swwop in, spit out uber cannons and Run. WOW what a skill set LOLH.
Exactly, I suck and that's all I ever do, I never fight and win at a disadvantage, you know me so well . ;)
I've got some startling news for you mars, no matter how meticulously carefull anyone is they ALWAYS end up fighting at a disadvantage often in the MA, it's unavoidable. The fact that I fly a Typhoon just makes it WAY, WAY HARDER for me to win at a disadvantage than for you in your Spitfire. It's bake-out easy to negate an over-zealous opponent's advantage in an uber-turner like a Spitfire, forcing an over-shoot is about as hard as wiping your ass. It's WAY, WAY HARDER to do so in a mediocre to poor turner like a Tyhpoon.
The only difference between you and I is, I fight at a disadvantage only when I have to, you, through apathy or intention fight at a disadvantage by choice in a plane that is well suited to do so. When you start going 1 vs 3 in a Tyhpoon low n' slow on the deck and succeeding on a regular basis I'll start thinking you know wtf you're talking about....k? ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Lye-El
(http://static.flickr.com/34/73011214_96bda8e375.jpg)
Thanks to TheFox for permission to use picture.
lol
cant wait for the "how to whine with taste issue":O
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Ok back to the thread :D
Murdr where did ya get that interview, did ya write it, cause its a crack up...
:aok
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Originally posted by mars01
And I think you will be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks flying with every advantage in your pocket, which you call "Flying to Survive" is not super easy mode for most and boring for other people to run into.
Actually in a strange twist of ironic logic, flying smart is actually harder on the person than flying 'anti-smart' If you are intentionally flying at a disadvantage what you are really doing is giving your ego a fail-safe win/win situation. We all know people who do this: They Dive into 2 or more enemy, then one of two things happens, they win or they lose. If they lose they invariably say something like, "Nice gang-bang you skill-less freaks, you dweebs aren't bad 3 on 1". If they win, they get to say something like, "Haha, I shot down all three of you, you dweebs really suck badly!". So, as you can see there's no way the 'disadvantage fighter' can lose, either he's a hapless victim of skill-less gang-bang dweebs so his demise is not his fault, or he's the Heroic Captain Fantastic that bested 2 or 3 inferior dweebs with his superlative talent, a major ego stroking event. Neither of these scenarios are a blow to the ego, it's safe, in psychological terms the responsibility for negative outcomes has been externally delegated. The 'disadvantage fighter' is absolved of responsibility for negative outcomes while his ego gets to claim full credit for postive outcomes, a pretty spiffy situation to put yourself in.
Now let's look at the smart flyer. The smart flyer is doing his best to maintain tactical initiative, maintain advantage and persistant situational awareness. If the smart flyer succeeds, he lands a bushel of kills, but he was supposed to, there's no glory, it was a surgical operation, he set-out to fly to kill and not be killed, did it with tactical precision and succeeded, there's no ego boost. However, if he dies, if he does not succeed in spite of his best attempts to fly smart, he has totally failed. The responsibility for that failure rests entirely upon the smart flyer's shoulders, he was supposed to be entirely in control of his virtual fate. There's only two possible reasons for this failure, he was either out-smarted or out-played, there's no other excuses. So, with both of these possible scenarios there is either a nuetral effect upon, or a potentially significant blow to, the ego. The responsibility for outcomes is directly upon the smart flyer, he can blame noone else but himself for negative outcomes.
Zazen
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Actually in a strange twist of ironic logic, flying smart is actually harder on the person than flying 'un-smart' If you are intentionally flying at a disadvantage what you are really doing is giving your ego a fail-safe win/win situation. We both know people who do this: They Dive into 2 or more enemy, then one of two things happens, they win or they lose. If they lose well they say, "Nice gang-bang you skill-less freaks, you guys aren't bad 3 on 1". If they win, they get to say, "Haha, I shot down all three of you you guys suck!". So, as you see there's no way the 'disadvantage fighter' can lose, either he's a hapless victim of skill-less gang-bang dweebs so his demise is not his fault, or he's the Heroic Captain Fantastic that bested 2 or 3 inferior dweebs with his superlative talent. Neither of these scenarios are a blow to the ego, it's safe, in psychological terms the responsibility for outcomes has been externally delegated.
Now let's look at the smart flyer. The smart flyer is doing his best to maintain tactical initiative, maintain advantage and persistant situational awareness. If the smart flyer succeeds, he lands a bushel of kills, but he was supposed to, there's no glory, it was a surgical operation, he set-out to fly to kill and not be killed, did it with tactical precision and succeeded. However, if he dies, if he does not succeed in spite of his best attempts to fly smart, he has totally failed. The responsibility for that failure rests entirely upon the smart flyer's shoulders, there's only two possible reasons for this failure he was either out-smarted or out-played, there's no other excuse. So, with both of these possible scenarios there is either a nuetral effect upon or a blow to the ego, the responsibility for outcomes is directly upon the smart flyer, he can blame noone else for negative outcomes.
This has to be the most retarded post I have ever read. Stay on your perch and hide in the horde Zazen, make all the excuses you want for your timid fighter style I have tired of you, your post are getting as boring as your flying.:aok
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Originally posted by mars01
This has to be the most retarded post I have ever read.
Yup, I'm totally retarded, I am an idiot, a dolt, a dullard, a weak-minded and stupid person!
Have a Nice Day! :aok
Zazen
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Westy and Shane can co-author articles about the "good ole days of Air Warrior"
ATC ;)
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Yup, I'm totally retarded, I am an idiot, a dolt, a dullard, a weak-minded and stupid person!
Well after all this banter between two morons, at least we can agree on something :D :rofl :aok
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Originally posted by Zazen13
The 'disadvantage fighter' is absolved of responsibility for negative outcomes while his ego gets to claim full credit for postive outcomes, a pretty spiffy situation to put yourself in.
Holy straw horses, Batman! Many people dive into multiple enemies for the challenge, the adrenaline, and the fun. Though you might find this hard to believe, for many of us the fun is the fight. You've created an entirely false dichotomy that rationalizes your own flying style, and while I have no problems whatsoever with how you choose to fly, attempting to justify that type of flying as anything other than more fun for you appears silly, trite, and reaching.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Holy straw horses, Batman! Many people dive into multiple enemies for the challenge, the adrenaline, and the fun. Though you might find this hard to believe, for many of us the fun is the fight. You've created an entirely false dichotomy that rationalizes your own flying style, and while I have no problems whatsoever with how you choose to fly, attempting to justify that type of flying as anything other than more fun for you appears silly, trite, and reaching.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I'm not justifying anything, I'm just offering a basic course in human psychology, particularly human adapation of circumstances to protect the ego from harm. ;) Putting oneself in an almost impossible situation where it's almost a forgone conclusion you will not succeed provides a ready and convenient excuse for failure, saving ego. However, if by chance success is achieved the ego can relish in the accomplishment of a task that was all but impossible.
I am not proposing people who play 'anti-smart' are doing so deliberately, consciously to preserve their egos and not for fun, I am just stating the fact, whether they are consciously aware of it or not, flying 'anti-smart' does just that. It's human nature, nothing personal to those who choose to, for whatever conscious reason, fly 'anti-smart'.
Flying smart is just the opposite, the whole purpose of flying smart is to maintain initiative and advantage, exchanging that for kills that you return to base with. A smart flyer is supposed to get kills and land them, he is presumably orchestrating events such that this task is very possible and even likely. So, when he succeeds it is nothing more than doing what was expected. However, if the smart flyer doesn't succeed he effectively, "Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory". There is no ego reward there, no opportunity to stroke ego or protect it. The smart flyer is actually the one, "Letting it all hang out" so to speak, his ego unprotected by excuses and no possibilty of becoming a self-proclaimed hero for a hop.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I'm not justifying anything, I'm just offering a basic course in human psychology, particularly human adapation of circumstances to protect the ego from harm. ;)
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Adaptation, for instance, that forces one to create false dichotomies ("real" versus "unreal" pilots; "smart" versus "anti-smart" pilots) in order to justify one's own ego. Think about it, Zazen... win or lose, no matter how much you admit that it is your fault when you die while flying "smart," you can always feel good about yourself because at least you don't fly "anti-smart." After all, those folks are all about ego-salvaging and psychological slight of hand to make themselves feel good about failure. Yep, you aren't like those dumb guys.
See where I'm going here? You are merely creating distinctions between yourself and others so that, admit it or not, you can relish the fact that you do not fly like the others. What you do is "harder," after all, and therefore better in your mind. And thus win or lose, you still win compared to them. And thus you have done to yourself exactly what you accuse them of doing to themselves.
Psychology 101.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
See where I'm going here? You are merely creating distinctions between yourself and others so that, admit it or not, you can relish the fact that you do not fly like the others. What you do is "harder," after all, and therefore better in your mind. And thus win or lose, you still win compared to them. And thus you have done to yourself exactly what you accuse them of doing to themselves.
Psychology 101.
-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]
Whoa nelly. I never said flying smart was harder per se. It's a very different game but not necessarily harder. Flying smart only requires more discipline, patience and mental accuity during a typical sortie than flying 'un-smart'. Flying 'un-smart' and attaining some semblence or measure of success would be more physically demanding in terms of manual dexterity, reflexes and the like. So, from a purely operational point of view it's very hard to compare the two. From a psychological point of view they are equally bi-polar. The mind-set that goes into the two approaches are quite different, therefore as we know from cause and effect realtionships, the effect on the mind from outcomes is very different also. That is my assertion here.
Zazen
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As I'm sure most know I'm a Billiards fanatic, humor me if you are interested while I use billiards as a metaphor to illustrate the fundamental differences between 'smart' and 'anti-smart' flying. For the purpose of this illustration:
a 'rack' is a 'hop'
a 'ball' is a 'kill'
a 'run-out' is 'landing kills'
a 'failed run-out' is death
a 'shot' is a combination of 'gunnery' and 'flying'.
'Anti-Smart' Flying
This is like the pool player who only thinks about the current shot, he is not taking his time, he is not thinking about shape for the next shot, he is relying on his instincts and aim to make his shots. Of course because he is not 'playing shape' those shots become increasingly difficult as he progresses thru the rack. Eventually then he is forced to make very difficult low percentage shots to continue his run. If he fails to do so he loses.
Smart Flying
This is like the guys you see on television. They take their time, they think at least 3 shots ahead and play exacting shape on their next ball. These guys rarely have to make hard, low percentage shots, they do all their work mentally leaving them easy shots. This is not to say they don't have the ability to make difficult shots if required, but they rarely need to do so if their fore-thought and planning is true. The only way they lose is if they let their mental accuity lapse.
Summary
Is one way harder than the other? Well, it's like comparing apples to oranges. The guy who only thinks one shot ahead is definately having to come up with some fancy shooting to stay in the game, he's banking, caroming, cutting shots 90 degrees. But, the guy who thinks ahead is playing perfect strategy planning his run-outs from the first ball. All of his shots are relatively easy, but only because he had the patience, discipline and mental accuity to plan ahead.
So, I guess in terms of AH, the guy flying 'anti-smart' is going to have to come up with some pretty fancy flying/shooting to have any chance of success. Whereas the guy flying smart is having to use meticulous tactics, SA, and planning to succeed. Saying which is more difficult, would really depend on the person and the situation, but it's kind of like asking what is harder to master chess or football?
Zazen
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LOL if only the game mattered even remotely this much :)
As long as you are having fun. That's all that matters.
And since no one's really dying and planes are free, might as well live a little and dive in to the pile.
That and check the ego at the door. There have to be better things to base your self worth on, then whether or not you are an uber AH pilot :)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Whoa nelly. I never said flying smart was harder per se. It's a very different game but not necessarily harder. Flying smart only requires more discipline, patience and mental accuity during a typical sortie than flying 'un-smart'.
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Here's the problem I see with your basic premise: almost nobody flies in a wholly "un-smart" way. Almost nobody flies in a completely "smart" way. Just to use myself as an example, I'll fly "smart" and select targets accordingly, pick the order in which I engage enemies based on threat prioritization, maximize my own plane's advantages and minimize those of the enemy, etc. Should circumstances change, I don't worry as much as others about the odds, because at some point I am capable and willing to fly "un-smart" if necessary. By un-smart, I mean that I am willing to engage at a disadvantage, but during this engagement I continue to assess the threat from each enemy, attempt to maximize my own plane's advantages and minimize those of the other planes, note the situation around me (proximity to the enemy field, proximity to friendlies, altitude of the fight, the terrain, etc), and I act accordingly.
Flying "un-smart," if one hopes to succeed with some regularity, requires an enormous amount of situational awareness, quick decision-making, threat assessment, and the like. In other words, it requires many of the things you attribute exclusively to flying "smart" while also requiring all of the manual/agility skills noted for flying "anti-smart." What you attempt to establish as a dichotomy is, in fact, a hybrid, and I'd venture to say that those who fly "smart" also mix a strong element of "anti-smart" flying into their behavior.
Also, I simply cannot agree with you about the ego-salvaging nature of "anti-smart" flying. While that may hold for some players, I have consistently stated for years (and I'm sure even on these forums if you want to look it up) that I blame nobody but myself for dying. I expect to win every engagement, even the ones I lose. At some point I make a bad decision, didn't check my six enough, didn't pull hard enough or pulled too hard, didn't achieve enough distance from the enemy base, and I die. I know I'm to blame for that, but what I don't do is get all wrapped up in blaming myself or others for the failure; it is a game, after all, and I see it as a learning experience more than anything. Shouldn't we all?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Here's the problem I see with your basic premise: almost nobody flies in a wholly "un-smart" way.
-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]
I know many people who fly completely one way or the other, but yes I agree most are hybrids of the two somewhere along the spectrum of polar opposites. For comparison purposes using the polar opposites is best. I equate the 'smart' and 'anti-smart' hybrid to the E-Fighter and Angles Fighter hybrid. Almost everyone who E-Fights also Angles-Fights and vice-versa to one degree or another. But, when comparing the two approaches you also use the polar extremes as examples. Comparing anything but polar opposites would be like trying to compare conservative democrats to moderate republicans, the lines get really blurry.
While I agree flying 'un-smart' can require SA, TA and such it is in a much more passive way. An 'un-smart' flyer almost always loses the initiative, he cannot use those tools to dictate terms, he must either kill all of the enemy in his vicinity or die trying, especially in a slow plane, there's very little wiggle room without the initiative. There is a distinct difference between being aware of threats via SA and being in a position to use that information in a tactical application (TA) kind of way that is likely to affect the outcome. A 'smart' flyer by maintaining the tactical initiative and rarely if ever losing it is always in a position to use those tools and information to pro-actively dictate terms of engagements, it's the active not passive manifestation of those tools.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Also, I simply cannot agree with you about the ego-salvaging nature of "anti-smart" flying. While that may hold for some players, I have consistently stated for years (and I'm sure even on these forums if you want to look it up) that I blame nobody but myself for dying. I expect to win every engagement, even the ones I lose. At some point I make a bad decision, didn't check my six enough, didn't pull hard enough or pulled too hard, didn't achieve enough distance from the enemy base, and I die. I know I'm to blame for that, but what I don't do is get all wrapped up in blaming myself or others for the failure; it is a game, after all, and I see it as a learning experience more than anything. Shouldn't we all?
-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]
Do you tune 200? The arena is CHOCK FULL of people who blame their cat, the alignment of the stars, the girl next door, their wife's mentrual cycle, anything they can dream of for what happens to them in the MA except themselves. You are a terrible example of 'anti-smart' because as we all know there is a method to your madness ;) But, the average player in the MA who flies 'anti-smart' behaves and acts as I described.
Zazen
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I know many people who fly completely one way or the other, but yes I agree most are hybrids of the two somewhere along the spectrum of polar opposites. For comparison purposes using the polar opposites is best. I equate the 'smart' and 'anti-smart' hybrid to the E-Fighter and Angles Fighter hybrid. Almost everyone who E-Fights also Angles-Fights and vice-versa to one degree or another. But, when comparing the two approaches you also use the polar extremes as examples. Comparing anything but polar opposites would be like trying to compare conservative democrats to moderate republicans, the lines get really blurry.
While I agree flying 'un-smart' can require SA, TA and such it is in a much more passive way. An 'un-smart' flyer almost always loses the initiative, he cannot use those tools to dictate terms, he must either kill all of the enemy in his vicinity or die trying, especially in a slow plane, there's very little wiggle room without the initiative. There is a distinct difference between being aware of threats via SA and being in a position to use that information in a tactical application (TA) kind of way that is likely to affect the outcome. A 'smart' flyer by maintaining the tactical initiative and rarely if ever losing it is always in a position to use those tools and information to pro-actively dictate terms of engagements, it's the active not passive manifestation of those tools.
Ever notice Zazen makes all these rediculous speaches with a bunch of words and he rarely says anything. "I think I fly smarter" and "Tackticle smackticle blah blah blah." You got me rolling off the couch laughing.
The difference is that if you get into trouble you are less likely to get out of it Zazen and probably more afraid of getting in that situtation. People that learn how to deal with situations where they aren't always in the hord, don't always have a plane they can run in, aren't always on a perch above the rest will fly at the edge where it takes more skill than flying deep within the envelope where you hide. And even more important will always be more fun to run into and fight. They will be more agressive and the MA will be a better place.
Unfortunately there are more guys such as yourself, that have to have the deck stacked in their favor every time they engage or they hyper extend or they just run when they might have lost the advantage or have blown three passes and figure they are better off finding someone who isn't watching LOLH.
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Originally posted by mars01
The difference is that if you get into trouble you are less likely to get out of it Zazen and probably more afraid of getting in that situtation. People that learn how to deal with situations where they aren't always in the hord, don't always have a plane they can run in, aren't always on a perch above the rest will fly at the edge where it takes more skill than flying deep within the envelope where you hide.
You're preaching to the choir. I go where the food is, I am usually on the deck or close to it. I also do not vulch so often go alone, deep behind enemy lines to cut off re-enforcements, that gets me out-advantaged often. Often I am engaged by cons with the advantage and enough E to prevent me from disengaging from them. My plane flies like doggy poop above 12-15k so I stay below that generally. The difference is I am in a plane that only out-turns about 10% of the planes I am likely to encounter, whereas you are flying a plane that out-turns 95% of the planes you are likely to encounter. I would say you have a much easier task overall when fighting at a disadvantage. Obviously though, I am well able to deal with these disadvantaged situations I get into as is evidenced by my pristine K/D ratio you love so much to point out.
Zazen
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And to put it in simpler terms for the rest of you(okay, us); ask yourselves how often on range, in the middle of a fight, you've heard the panicked transmission, "Oh ****, that's Zazen in the Tempest!"
Then, (I know, quit laughing), ask yourselves how many times you've heard the panicked transmission, "Oh ****, that's Leviathn in the Tempest!"
If there's a better guage of aptitude, or "skill" at flying cartoon airplanes than that bestowed upon one by the majority of players in a given timeslot, I'd like to know what it is. What I know it's not is a lengthy diatribe trying to rationalize a particular set of behaviors in an online game.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
And to put it in simpler terms for the rest of you(okay, us); ask yourselves how often on range, in the middle of a fight, you've heard the panicked transmission, "Oh ****, that's Zazen in the Tempest!"
Then, (I know, quit laughing), ask yourselves how many times you've heard the panicked transmission, "Oh ****, that's Leviathn in the Tempest!"
I never said I was much good in a fighter. I also never compared myself with Leviathn, I have no desire to be 'like' anyone. I enjoy what I do and how I do it. You guys seem to think people want to aspire to be like you, we don't, we're having fun doing what we do just as you have fun doing what you do. The problem I have with mars is he thinks any approach to the game other than his, is cowardly, lame and does not require any skill or talent. I personally think that is a HUGE load of horse**** and am not afriad one bit of explaining how and why it's a HUGE steaming pile of horse**** 20 different ways if I have to.
Zazen
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Well, this moderately entertaining thread degenerated into a poo-slinging fest a bit slower than normal -- WTG guys!!
Please note that IRL, poo slingers have smaller craniums, drag their arms, and screech uncontrollably when challenged. Shows that the BBS is just another example of HTC's amazing simulation skills!!
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Originally posted by: Zazen
[/b]The problem I have with mars is he thinks any approach to the game other than his, is cowardly, lame and does not require any skill or talent. I personally think that is a HUGE load of horse**** and am not afriad one bit of explaining how and why it's a HUGE steaming pile of horse**** 20 different ways if I have to.
Previosly Posted by: Mars01
People that learn how to deal with situations where they aren't always in the hord, don't always have a plane they can run in, aren't always on a perch above the rest, will fly at the edge where it takes more skill than flying deep within the envelope where you hide. And even more important will always be more fun to run into and fight. They will be more agressive and the MA will be a better place.
Umm anyone else see a difference between these two posts? :lol
The problem with you Zazen is you put words in peoples mouths and then start to argue as if that's what they actually said. :rolleyes:
Does your approach require some skill, sure. Is your blabing even remotely backed up by your skill, well when I see you down in the weeds, away from the horde, not hyper extending or running and actually E-Fighting without all the cards in your hands, then maybe. Until then you should stop misleading Newbs like JM whatever his name is, in the other thread. :aok
You still have yet to respond to my offer to wing up. Why not?
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Originally posted by mars01
Does your approach require some skill, sure. Is your blabing even remotely backed up by your skill, well when I see you down in the weeds, away from the horde, not hyper extending or running and actually E-Fighting without all the cards in your hands, then maybe. Until then you should stop misleading Newbs like JM whatever his name is, in the other thread. :aok
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1) I have flown in the same general vicinity as you possibly twice or three times EVER. How this gives you any clue as to how I actually fight I have no idea. But, those that do actually have first hand knowledge of my fighting know very well my bellybutton is in the grass with everyone else when the situation calls for it.
2) I am not trying to get you to admit the way I, personally, fly requires skill per se. I want you to understand that just because you feel it necessary to take the all around best turner in the game into a low turnfight then brag about that like you are the Holy Crusader of some PURE fighting cult and anyone who doesn't choose to do that is dog****, is total nonsense.
3) When you start flying a plane that turns porrly (or at least only mediocre) down in the weeds to fight (where 7 out of 10 planes you will encounter easily out-turn you with a merely average pilot) in the same situations you do in your uber-turner Spitfire I'll start listening to your critique of the rest of the non-Spit flying world. It's pretty easy to sit atop your Spitfire mountain top and proclaim down to the non-uber-turner flying world that stallfighting on the deck is the ONLY valid form of fighting.
Zazen
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I am not trying to get you to admit the way I, personally, fly requires skill per se. I want you to understand that just because you feel it necessary to take the all around best turner in the game into a low turnfight then brag about that like you are the Holy Crusader of some PURE fighting cult and anyone who doesn't choose to do that is dog****, is total nonsense.
I don't brag about anything. I have said time and again that I am an average stick at best. With that said I don't have to be great to know what skill level it takes to fly your way or mine. When you start flying a plane that turns porrly (or at least only mediocre) down in the weeds to fight (where 7 out of 10 planes you will encounter easily out-turn you with a merely average pilot) in the same situations you do in your uber-turner Spitfire I'll start listening to your critique of the rest of the non-Spit flying world. It's pretty easy to sit atop your Spitfire mountain top and proclaim down to the non-uber-turner flying world that stallfighting on the deck is the ONLY valid form of fighting.
Umm I do there shecky :D. F4Us, P47s, 190s. And again there you go putting words in my mouth that I did not say. I think guys that e-fight agressively and don't need every advantage to engage are well worth fighting and running into. Yeah a spit Vs your uber BnZr can be a fun fight when the BnZ is a good stick and aggressive. Now your Hording, Perch sitting, needing every advantage, stay alive at all cost style is quite boring and usually the first level every noob reaches after they get wheels up and gain the patience to climb.:aok :rofl
What? I didn't get that, huh still no response to winging up. Not a suprise. lol:rofl
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Originally posted by Guppy35
As long as you are having fun. That's all that matters.
And since no one's really dying and planes are free, might as well live a little and dive in to the pile.
That and check the ego at the door. There have to be better things to base your self worth on, then whether or not you are an uber AH pilot :)
BINGO! We have a winner. And all the rest is nothing but BS...
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Originally posted by mars01
I don't brag about anything. I have said time and again that I am an average stick at best. With that said I don't have to be great to know what skill level it takes to fly your way or mine. Umm I do there shecky :D. F4Us, P47s, 190s. And again there you go putting words in my mouth that I did not say. I think guys that e-fight agressively and don't need every advantage to engage are well worth fighting and running into.
This is the first time I've ever heard you say you are merely average. I also wouldn't call you getting 12 kills in a F4U this camp to 124 kills in the Spit XVI you being a diverse pilot. ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by mars01
Yeah a spit Vs your uber BnZr can be a fun fight when the BnZ is a good stick and aggressive. Now your Hording, Perch sitting, needing every advantage, stay alive at all cost style is quite boring and usually the first level every noob reaches after they get wheels up and gain the patience to climb.:aok :rofl
I don't know what planet you are living on but noobs don't E-Fight, they have no concept of E-Fighting, pure E-Fighting is a very subtle thing. You think some guy off the street can march into the MA up an E-Fighter and be able to judge relative E states of 10+ planes at a glance and apply that information to his tactics? They may alt to 10-15k or whatever if they have 10 minutes to kill but I have never seen a true noob E-Fighting. Noobs are all about getting to where the enemy is and grabbing a fist-full of instant gratification usually in a plane like the Spitfire, Niki or Hurricane.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I also wouldn't call you getting 12 kills in a F4U this camp to 124 kills in the Spit XVI you being a diverse pilot.
Do you base everything on stats/scores? And only for this camp?
If so I guess you would say I'm not diverse and only know the 38, eh? ;)
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Originally posted by DipStick
Do you base everything on stats/scores? And only for this camp?
If so I guess you would say I'm not diverse and only know the 38, eh? ;)
Being diverse in the past or being able to potentially being diverse isn't relavant to what is happening in the present. Currently I am not diverse either, I could be though if I felt ike it! But, I'm not. ;)
Zazen
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This is the first time I've ever heard you say you are merely average. I also wouldn't call you getting 12 kills in a F4U this camp to 124 kills in the Spit XVI you being a diverse pilot
I have always said I am average, you are mistaking that with me saying I fly into above average situations.
As for my plane selections, I made that point, because you think that all I fly is a spit, when in fact I will fly just about everything. I do enjoy turn fightings faster pace then E-fighting so I will log more hours in a knife fighter. I think it still makes my point.
I don't know what planet you are living on but noobs don't E-Fight, they have no concept of E-Fighting, pure E-Fighting is a very subtle thing. You think some guy off the street can march into the MA up an E-Fighter and be able to judge relative E states of 10+ planes at a glance and apply that information to his tactics?
E-fighting is actually the starting place for many a noob. It was mine as well. E-Fighting means keeping up your speed, not over commiting as you put it, keeping good seperation. Because of this the engagements are at a slower pace and your SA doesn't have to be perfect either, because you have seperation, speed and most of the time alt.
As a turn fighter you are usually slower and in tight. you have to be quick becuase you don't have the seperation to slow things down. Add a few more bogys and things get even faster and harder.
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Being diverse in the past or being able to potentially being diverse isn't relavant to what is happening in the present. Currently I am not diverse either, I could be though if I felt ike it! But, I'm not.
Well it should at least get you up to speed and away from thinking that all I fly is a spit.
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Originally posted by mars01
Well it should at least get you up to speed and away from thinking that all I fly is a spit.
Well you don't always fly a Spit about the same as I don't always fly Typhoon. ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by mars01
E-fighting is actually the starting place for many a noob. It was mine as well. E-Fighting means keeping up your speed, not over commiting as you put it, keeping good seperation. Because of this the engagements are at a slower pace and your SA doesn't have to be perfect either, because you have seperation, speed and most of the time alt.
As a turn fighter you are usually slower and in tight. you have to be quick becuase you don't have the seperation to slow things down. Add a few more bogys and things get even faster and harder.
Well ,that is not my experience. I have never known a noob that started off E-Fighting , they always start off turnfighting. I started off turnfighing myself, I didn't even know there was such a thing as E-Fighting until I had played three years flying only Spits and 109s. I personally find E-Fighting far more complex mentally (probably why it appeals to me, I was President of my Chess Club). Turnfighting is largely muscle memory and reflexes with a splash of SA and gunnery thrown in for good measure. As i pointed out earlier there is always cross-over, very few people are pure E-Fighter or turnfighters, we all do both to some extent.
Zazen
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Talk about thread hijack..............
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Since my earlier, apparently too subtle gibe didnt get through ---
Why dont you yammerers just get yourselves a room, and get out of this thread?I dont think anyone really cares which of your perspectives is "right."
Please go away, lest you be taunted a second time. (And trust me, you dont want to get hit with catapulted barnyard animals.)
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Originally posted by Simaril
Since my earlier, apparently too subtle gibe didnt get through ---
Why dont you yammerers just get yourselves a room, and get out of this thread?I dont think anyone really cares which of your perspectives is "right."
Please go away, lest you be taunted a second time. (And trust me, you dont want to get hit with catapulted barnyard animals.)
Not to be rude, but it's not exactly as though this thread had a real discussion topic. It was the graphic of a cover of a fictitous magazine that made light-hearted jabs at certains MA happenings (very funny stuff). The conversation then turned to the actual jabs and the subjects of those jabs. This is not a Hi-Jack of a discussion, look at the first 15 posts before our debate began, there's no discussion there, it's just good humor and general silliness. Had we not got into our little debate this thread would be on page 3 of this forum and un-read at all by now.
Have A Nice Day! :aok
Zazen
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Originally posted by mussie
Ok back to the thread :D
Murdr where did ya get that interview, did ya write it, cause its a crack up...
:aok
No, I didnt write it. Its a "Moe's Corner (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=23)" interview, part of a series of interviews with arena personalities during AW. The sites they were written for are defunct now, but Moe graciously gave me permission to add them to the 479th Library (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=20). There are more, but I only posted the ones AH players were interviewed in. Havent been able to convince Moe to do any AH interviews yet.
I see a perfect contender for an interview right now who is arguing in many threads including this one.