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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Golfer on December 15, 2005, 05:20:45 PM
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I just recorded this weeks "Musical Blasphemy" and can't help but notice that there's a lot of string buzz going on.
Technique hasn't changed but I did throw a new set of strings on that are Extra Light as opposed to Light.
Normal strings are Martin SP Phosphor-Bronze.
These are Martin Acoustic SP 80/20 Bronze in Extra Light.
Would this cause buzz that had not been there before and changing back fix the problem? There is no neck warping or any damage to the nut or head.
I don't really like the tone of these strings so much as I like the phosphor-bronze but I wanted to try something new. They're also the first extra-light's I've ever used. I stopped using Elixirs after twanging several third strings (geetarists know why I didn't say the note :) ) and the Martin Phosphor-Bronze have been good to me. Guess I know what I'm going to be switching back to!
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You didn't say, but I am assuming the vibration is the strings striking the fret board/frets. If you are using a pick(s), try a softer pick(s). The initial attack with a harder pick will cause more string flex which causes the string to bounce against the fret board/frets.
I had the same problem until I switched to a lighter pick(s).
EDIT: In general, lighter weight strings require a lighter touch.
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playing the guitar denies the beholder the right to claim geek-dom, i therefore declare you a fraud skuzzy!
admitedly you didnt mention if you could actually play ubut you certainly gave the impression so my argument stands.
unless someone can name 5 famous geeks or guitar players that are infact, both a geek and a guitar player!
edit: not including skuzzy
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Bah... most musicians (at least the ones that can actually read music) are nerds. ;)
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I am not a nerd!
Music is just another math.
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Golfer acoustic I'm assuming. Try cleaning the strings with a good rag then running some good grease on them. Good luck.
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Lighter strings are looser and in order to get the attack and volume you are used to with heavier guage strings must be hit harder. Both of these things will cause the strings to fret out. Also the strings do pull the neck up slightly and lighter strings being looser will pull the neck up less. This will decrease string to fret distance and cause buzz. I use .11 guage Elixirs with the action set almost as close as an electric on my Washburn with very little buzz. It's natural to want the instrument to be easier to play, but in the case of string guage, when speaking of acoustic guitars, lighter isn't always better. In fact I would never go below .11s on an acoustic. Guitars, as with most things in this world, are a compromise. With guitars, one of them is a compromise between playability and freedom of string vibration.
Huh, he eluded to a G-string Huh (spoken in my finest Beavis and Butthead impression)
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Originally posted by mechanic
playing the guitar denies the beholder the right to claim geek-dom, i therefore declare you a fraud skuzzy!
admitedly you didnt mention if you could actually play ubut you certainly gave the impression so my argument stands.
unless someone can name 5 famous geeks or guitar players that are infact, both a geek and a guitar player!
edit: not including skuzzy
1.) Tim Reynolds
2.) Billy Joe Whatshisnuts of Greenday
3.) Bill Gates
4.) Axle Rose
5.) Gene Simmons
Wait...geeks. hmm...guess a couple of them don't count :)
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Thanks everyone. I think I'll just go back to my old strings and be happy.
I was looking for a new sound and X-light strings were part of that trial. I'm sticking with lights!
I use ernie ball slinkeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeee its slinkeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeee it's such a wonderful toy strings on my electric.
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axle sucked on guitar! and he was a ginger geek which gives him the potential to be dangerous! everyone knows slash was the gutiar legend.
does bill gates really get a tune going?
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I am not a nerd!
Music is just another math.
You're making my case for me. ;)
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Originally posted by mechanic
playing the guitar denies the beholder the right to claim geek-dom, i therefore declare you a fraud skuzzy!
admitedly you didnt mention if you could actually play ubut you certainly gave the impression so my argument stands.
unless someone can name 5 famous geeks or guitar players that are infact, both a geek and a guitar player!
edit: not including skuzzy
1. Tom Sholtz (Boston) -Designed spy cameras for the CIA
2. Shephen King
3. Jeff "Skunk" Baxter (Steely Dan, Doobie Bros) -A self-taught expert in missile systems, a military advisor for the Bush administration
4. Johnny Greenwood (Radiohead)
5. Jimi Hendrix -Designed a lot of his own footpedals, invented electronic "flange"
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Check the nut, if the strings have burrowed low enough they can be causing buzzing. Also if you don't have the string on a fret tight enough it can bounce and bounce=buzzing. Like Jim Morrison said, break on through to the other side!. Press hard like you're gonna break through and they shouldn't buzz.
One more thing, if you are hitting the string underneath it will also cause bouncing on the frets.
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Skuzzy, post some of your music......you geek.
If you think that musical talent can be related to math, then maybe you really are a geek. :D
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Originally posted by NUKE
Skuzzy, post some of your music......you geek.
If you think that musical talent can be related to math, then maybe you really are a geek. :D
http://cnx.rice.edu/content/m11638/latest/
http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/papers/uses-math/music/
http://www.musicmasterworks.com/WhereMathMeetsMusic.html
Music is the pleasure of the human soul experiences from counting without being aware that it is counting. - Gottfried Leibniz
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Originally posted by Sandman
http://cnx.rice.edu/content/m11638/latest/
http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/papers/uses-math/music/
http://www.musicmasterworks.com/WhereMathMeetsMusic.html
Musical theory is math, kind of. Musical talent and creativity have little to do with math.
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Tom Scholz also graduated from MIT and made most of Boston's electronic equipment.
Golfer, another thing that may be a problem is the bridge. When I first got my Alvarez, it had 14s on it, which are too big for my preferences. So, I bought a set of Elixir 12s and had the same problem. So, I just placed some shims under the bridge to raise it up a hair and it worked out fine.
These shims were very thin pieces of plastic that I cut from a sheet. The sheet was about .5mm thick I think. I just took the bridge piece and traced it, then cut along the line on the inside and cut it out. Took the plastic, slipped it in the bridge and placed the bridge tailpiece over it. Worked like a charm!
Also, as Skilless said, strings pull on the neck and bend it slightly. With the lower guage strings, the bend wouldn't be as great and it may cause the strings to vibrate somewhere along the neck.
A good thing to test to see if there is any fretbuzz is to capo at the first fret, then fret at the twelfth. You should be able to fit a standard 3x5 notecard inbetween the fret and the string. If you cannot do that, you may want to consider raising the action.
And, from what I know, Axle Rose did NOT play guitar. :p
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The nut isnt' damaged, nirvana. Read the posts man! :)
What I've got here is something I saw my buddy do when he played a song in Drop D.
"Everlong" by foo fighters comes to mind. I couldn't bear to listen to it because the guy could sing...but couldn't play a friggin guitar. He'd buzzzzzzZZZzzzZZZzz and I'd want to take tinsnips to his strings and send his pretty nice Ibanez through a wood hcipper.
I think it's a combination of needing the guitar to be tuned in what I like to call "Whack D Flat" for the specific song and the new extra light strings. I tuned it back up to standard and it was still there. Dammit man!
Tinsnips and back to lights.
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Speaking of Guitars.
Im sitting here watchin the "Eagles Farewel Tour I"
Does it astound anyone else how Joe Walsh can make playing the guitar look like its the simplest thing in the world to do next to breathing? LOL
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Most pro guitarists Ive seen can do that. Then when I go to do it, I only embarrass myself horribly. But yes, the pros do have the ability to take something extremely difficult and blow through it like a warmup.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Speaking of Guitars.
Im sitting here watchin the "Eagles Farewel Tour I"
Does it astound anyone else how Joe Walsh can make playing the guitar look like its the simplest thing in the world to do next to breathing? LOL
Just finished watching the same thing. Brother walked into the room and left simply with the words "they're sweet"
Yep. That about sums it up.
That's easily the 5th time I've watched it including when it was live. (live on tv)
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Originally posted by United
Most pro guitarists Ive seen can do that. Then when I go to do it, I only embarrass myself horribly. But yes, the pros do have the ability to take something extremely difficult and blow through it like a warmup.
No I was looking at the rest of the band too. They all sounded great, They all were playing and all looked like they were having fun doing it. But Walsh looked like well,, like it was absurdy easy. It was like he was on another level altogether
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Sweet. I'll have to pick it up sometime and watch it. Unfortunately I missed the live airing.
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Get yourself a set of BLUE STEEL strings...Best sounding acoustic
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Originally posted by NUKE
Musical theory is math, kind of. Musical talent and creativity have little to do with math.
You are missing the point. People who have an innate ability in music, will also translate that ability to math (if they choose to), and vice-versa. The thought processes are virtually the same.
As far as the creation of music, not all mathematicians are Einstein's either. Most studio musicians could not write a lick of music from scratch, but they read and play well. To play well, you still have to have the ability to understand music. Whether that understanding is derived from a natural ability or learned through education, you will find that person also is very good at math (if they choose to go that route).
Writting music is a logical and structured process. It is an abstract math. Creativity is another layer on top of it all. Most people in the music/math industry are not visionaries and cannot create. It does not mean they are not good at what they do.
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I just did a Google on "Musical Math" ....
Results 1 - 10 of about 8,350,000 for Musical Math. (0.14 seconds)
Whoa!!!!
:D
Mac
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Did you put quotes areound it? If not, you got every page that had "musical" and "math" in it no matter where they were compared to the other. :D
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Originally posted by OOZ662
Did you put quotes areound it? If not, you got every page that had "musical" and "math" in it no matter where they were compared to the other. :D
No quotes... just Musical Math
Try it.
Skuzz is right... Link (http://cnx.rice.edu/content/m11638/latest/)
Mac
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Truss rod in neck counter balances string tension. Lighter strings, less tension. Truss rod adjustment nut usual requires an allan wrench and can be located through the hole or under the plastic cover at the top of the neck. Lefty loosey…
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Check your truss road adjustment.
If there is a bow in the kneck it will contact the strings and make em buzz.
Also check the nutt and make sure the strings fit in it correctly" this happends alot when you change to bigger strings".
And try out some john pierce strings.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Speaking of Guitars.
Im sitting here watchin the "Eagles Farewel Tour I"
Does it astound anyone else how Joe Walsh can make playing the guitar look like its the simplest thing in the world to do next to breathing? LOL
I'm astounded by watching him....but then I astound easily.
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Lately (past 10-12 months) I've been listening to Willie Nelson's guitar playing and was fascinated (astounded?)...I always wondered why he played a classical instead of an electric or an acoustic like everyone else. Then I was led to the world of Gypsy guitar which, when brought to the States in the 40's was incorporated into country music to become what we now call Western Swing, which heavily influenced Willie. Since I have a really nice Alvarez Classical, I thought i'd try to get as much use out of it as I could, so I'm now immersed in both Willie-style Blues, and Gypsy Guitar.
And I am not a nerd.:p
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How bout that. I have not heard of anyone having an Alvarez in a very long time. Mine is just over 33 years old and still sounds sweet.
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Golfer, take the guitar to a luthier and have them set the neck. Maybe dress the frets. It's something that should be done regularly anyway. If you don't know what you're doing and start jacking with the truss rod you can warp the neck.
Originally posted by Skuzzy
How bout that. I have not heard of anyone having an Alvarez in a very long time. Mine is just over 33 years old and still sounds sweet.
My first guitar was an Alvarez.
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Problem solved going back to light strings.
Changed them today and while my voice still sucks...the guitar sounds good as new :)
Thanks for all the suggestions gents.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
How bout that. I have not heard of anyone having an Alvarez in a very long time. Mine is just over 33 years old and still sounds sweet.
I tell you what, my Alvarez I bought last year may quite possibly be the last acoustic I buy. Its got an amazing tone and the playability is impeccable.
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I know exactly what you mean. The depth of the midrange is really nice, while the highs are crisp and clean. Yep, yep.
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i always sucked at real music, thats why i currently am working with eletronic sound and turntableism.
I do however have some very good friends who are incredibly talented on various instruments and we sometimes produce tracks of a dance nature but with guitar and precusion recorded live over the top.
if anyone is familiar with the works of LTJ Bukem and Logical Progression that is what i would say best desribes the sound we create by modern day technologies mixed with the most fantastic instruments though out history.
anyone else ever dabbled into the worlds of electronic music production?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Speaking of Guitars.
Im sitting here watchin the "Eagles Farewel Tour I"
Does it astound anyone else how Joe Walsh can make playing the guitar look like its the simplest thing in the world to do next to breathing? LOL
David Gilmour makes it look easy too.
Karaya
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Originally posted by slimm50
Lately (past 10-12 months) I've been listening to Willie Nelson's guitar playing and was fascinated (astounded?)...I always wondered why he played a classical instead of an electric or an acoustic like everyone else. Then I was led to the world of Gypsy guitar which, when brought to the States in the 40's was incorporated into country music to become what we now call Western Swing, which heavily influenced Willie. Since I have a really nice Alvarez Classical, I thought i'd try to get as much use out of it as I could, so I'm now immersed in both Willie-style Blues, and Gypsy Guitar.
And I am not a nerd.:p
always loved Willies style & sound.
Nobody else sounds like him or plays the same way.
Was thinking of picking the Guitar up again.
I was never any good at it (read Sucked) But I had fun messing with it when I was a kid.
When we were looking at elctric guitars for my son at this mom & pop shop I picked up this used acustic and really liked it.
sounded great and most importantly for me the fingering was easy.
And it was only like $100.
So I turned to my wife hinting "If you ever decide to get me a guitar. THIS is the one I want."
Well fast forward and its Christmas time and we go into the same store again to pick him up some spare strings and some picks as stocking stuffers and low and behond the guitar is still there. Same price.
Again I pick up the guitar and hint. "THIS is the exact guitar I would like to have" (cant get any more flipping blunt then that)
Christmas rolls around and she hands me this wrapped package and its obvious its a guitar by its shape. So eagerly I open it up and its this beautiful looking "Ovation" electric accustic. But its not the same one. It WASNT the one I wanted.
Not only that. but the fingering on it was so difficult My fingers would have to have the closing strength of a great white shark chomping down full force just to play basic chords.
None of my sons friends who play REALLY well like it either because of the fingering difficulty
So here it is now almos two years later and the guitar still sits quietly in its bag in my sons room ever since. Has only been picked up maybe a 1/2 dozen times and probably not at all in the last year.
Found out later she spent like $350 on the damn thing at "Guitar Center" thinking she was doing me a favor in getting me a "better one" Becuse "the guy at the store said this was a real good one"
And she reminds me of this every time she sees it
Course she could have just gotten the one I wanted to begin with and saved herslef a couple hundred dollars ta boot
LOL
Soon as I develop vise grips for fingers I'll try to play it.
Or one of these days I'll bring it into the mom & pop shop and see if I can trade it straight up for one I want.
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Originally posted by slimm50
Lately (past 10-12 months) I've been listening to Willie Nelson's guitar playing and was fascinated (astounded?)...I always wondered why he played a classical instead of an electric or an acoustic like everyone else.
Luck.
He was playing an electric with a 3-cord stereo pickup he really liked. The guitar broke and he took it to Shot Jackson in Nashville. Jackson said he couldn't fix it but he had a Martin acoustic on the shelf. Willie asked if the could put the pickup on that. Sure. So Willie bought it, sight unseen and has been using it ever since.
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Hey Drediock-
Take that thing back to guitar center and tell them to set the action on it. Your wife probably paid list price for it and they owe you. There's no reason for that guitar to be that hard to play. Plus they usually come with crappy strings. I would put Elixir .11s on it. They're expensive but they last a long time.