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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Karnak on December 28, 2001, 03:40:00 AM
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Here is the link: Humorous LOTR review (http://www.capalert.com/capreports/lordofrings_fellowship.htm)
Warning: lots of adds (no popup adds though).
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rofl <bump>
gotta love those christian nutcases :D
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:)
Forget LOTR review, go straight to their Harry Potter review (link on the same page).
miko
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hehe, I think that was written by Ned Flanders! ;)
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Thats the sickest thing i have ever read.
It brings a smile to my face to know that some day the person who wrote that will no longer be infecting the minds of the gulable, and preying on there fears.
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Originally posted by Am0n:
It brings a smile to my face to know that some day the person who wrote that will no longer be infecting the minds of the gulable, and preying on there fears.
What gives you that hope? Are you one of the people expecting that Rapture (Second coming of Christ) is going to happen soon and all devout christians will disappear from the face of the Earth and leave us to our (rational) devices?
Unless you have access to some inside info, I wouldn't hold my breath... ;)
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d:
What gives you that hope? Are you one of the people expecting that Rapture (Second coming of Christ) is going to happen soon and all devout christians will disappear from the face of the Earth and leave us to our (rational) devices?
Unless you have access to some inside info, I wouldn't hold my breath... ;)
miko
Ohhh no no no :)
The pleasure i was speaking of was knowing that some day, who ever wrote that, will no longer be with us :)
Dead
[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: Am0n ]
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Thats what came to my mind too: Stupid and even more, sick.
Some people take religion to the level of superstitious fantasy, these people live in a world that looks very different from ours.
They are annoying because they aim to limit the freedom of normal persons based on their own hallucinations and fears.
Probably they are the reason why LOTR advertisements on music television are titled 'This is an advertisement'
I'm sure they already gathered together and called 911 expecting Balrog to appear from the basement any second.
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Originally posted by Am0n:
Ohhh no no no :)
The pleasure i was speaking of was knowing that some day, who ever wrote that, will no longer be with us :)
Dead
Sorry to burst your bubble of joyfull anticipation, but ever heard the expression "a dime a dozen"?
At least this guy demanding from us not to let our children practice sourcery in school is (hopefully) not busy dissuading poor third-world natives living on exhaused overpopulated land from using birth control or pushing legislation mandating momen what to do with their bodies or demanding that we institute christian prayer in our schools.
miko
[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: miko2d ]
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actually people like the author of that review aren't so much common as loud. most christians can tell the difference between a story and a lifestyle.
it disturbs me when i wonder how many people are kept from hearing Gods message because people like that give the impression that christian=crazy
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Originally posted by miko2d:
Sorry to burst your bubble of joyfull anticipation, but ever heard the expression "a dime a dozen"?
At least this guy demanding from us not to let our children practice sourcery in school is (hopefully) not busy dissuading poor third-world natives living on exhaused overpopulated land from using birth control or pushing legislation mandating momen what to do with their bodies or demanding that we institute christian prayer in our schools.
miko
[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: miko2d ]
Yea REALLY, what ever you do dont let kids have a mind of there own.
Even more so dont let them be kids and have a good time and fantsize about being a great sorcerer or wyrm slayer.. a Open mind is harder to control or influence.
We need our kids to act like 40 year old men who have never indulged them selves in the animalistic pleasure of life.. they can then be just as angry at everyone and feal that they are "higher" on the food chain in there rightgeous-misguided-guilt-riden-self-denial.
*turns sarcasm off*
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capt. apathy,
I agree with your statement wholeheartedly.
I do not judge Christians by these silly, fringe loud mouths and I encourage others to see them that way too.
None the less, fringe looneys can be amusing.
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LOL loved that site thx.. We can't have our children witness any explosive startle!
Just curious, what movies DO they approve of?
Wanton Violence/Crime (W):
graphic injuries, including amputation and a beheading
explosive startle
monstrous "walking dead" being threats and attacks
graphic torture by demons
theft
attempted sword murders
sword threats
attempts to murder by sorcery
animal attacks
many dead and decaying bodies, repeatedly
multiple exceptionally graphic attacks by unholy beings, including by thousands of creeping beings with much impalement
graphic imagery of implement
crumbling cavern perils
falling death
fire demon attacks
arrow threats
orders to kill
long sequence of dire urgency with explosive sound
many graphic seething battle sequences
exceptionally brutal killing with multiple arrows, slowly
many battle deaths
a very graphic hand-to-hand combat sequence with a hideous demon
near death by drowning
Impudence/Hate (I)(1):
lies
Sex/Homosexuality (S):
none noted
Drugs/Alcohol (D):
smoking, repeatedly
drinking, repeatedly
Offense to God (O)(2):
claim of immortality
thousands of demonic beings of various sort, some extremely graphic
many uses and portrayals of wizardry/sorcery
many threats by unholy things
multiple battles with sorcery using sorcery, some very, very graphic
many attacks by evil beings, some (especially one) very, very hideous
portrayal that being stabbed by an evil being's sword will make the victim evil
many instances of demonic faces/eyes
unholy control of the elements to fight evil
claims of immortality
ability to chose unholy mortality or immortality
many mystic voices
sorcery to open mountain wall
light by sorcery
Murder/Suicide (M)(3):
impalement then drowning murder
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Just wondering... My guess is most of those points can be found from old testament :)
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Lemme get this straight; It's ok for a film to contain gun violence, but not swords?.
Mwuahahhahahahahaa!
Daff
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guess they'd condem "Bewitch" and "I Dream of Jeannie" if it were a different time..
ppl of that sort give all of religious convict a bad name .. looney extremists.
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LOL, "Light by Sorcery"......Now THAT is really dangerous!
:rolleyes:
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"Crumbling Cavern Perils" Oh My!
:eek:
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Its kinda funny. I'd like to know what their "view" is on these so called "Children Bible Songs" they are selling on the TV with such passion.
For those of you with Kazaa, do a search keywords: Bible Songs, Children.
Write down how many of those songs has KIDS singing about being soldiers of this and that and fighting the enemy, etc, etc. Its very disturbing. It reminds me of those Hitler Youth documentaries I see in the History Channel. Brrrr!
Here's a few lyrics that I got from them:
"I may never march with the infantry, ride in the cavalry, shoot the artillery, zoom at the enemy (?hard to hear)... but im in the lord's army.." (at the beat of military drums).
and another song..
"onward christian soldiers, cut down our enemies.. for the lord.."
:rolleyes:
Have them review THAT.
Oh wait.. no, its acceptable because its "their" stuff. Bunch of pigheaded religious morons.
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Daff: Lemme get this straight; It's ok for a film to contain gun violence, but not swords?.
No, they would list gun violence as well and count it towards the total.
Eagler: guess they'd condem "Bewitch" and "I Dream of Jeannie" if it were a different time..
They mention just those shows along with "Sabrina the teenage witch" as the examples of embracing evil in their review of "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" movie.
It fails on the same points as LOTR - Wanton Violence/Crime, Impudence/Hate, Offense to God.
http://www.capalert.com/capreports/harrypottersorc.htm (http://www.capalert.com/capreports/harrypottersorc.htm)
miko
[ 12-31-2001: Message edited by: miko2d ]
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Hehe, we should all just watch reruns of Charlie Brown and Bambi.
Unless of course they think talking raindeer is an invocation of the devil or labeling Lucy as the personification of evil.
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Hmmm... A review of a movie through the the haze of christian fanaticism...
What a joke.
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I'm sorry, but humanizing a dog (snoopy) is an affront to God and the Creation. Peanuts is right out!
And don't even get me started on Bambi....obviously a Gay name for the title character and Thumper - violent name if I ever heard one!
Disney is most likely rotting in Hell!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I agree about Disney :D
I actually had this conversation at church with a mother who owns every Disney tape but was going on about the witchcraft/harry potter thing.
Cinderella- this little tramp disobeyed her legal guardian, and sneaks out to a party.
Snow white- what a potato, lived with 7 bachelors who where not related to her, plus you have the witchcraft, oh ya and the ‘hero’ molests her while she sleeps.
Aladdin- she sneaks out to go slumming, and hooks up with a common thief.
Little mermaid- disobeys her father, makes a deal with a witch so she can have inter-species sex
Fantasia- witchcraft, plain and simple
And the list goes on and on.
She had no argument as to why these things where eceptable in movies that she grew up with as 'ok'. But it was 'just different' with harry potter. And I was 'just being difficult' for not seeing it her way
[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: capt. apathy ]
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Hahahahahahahahahahah!
Hohohohohohohohohohoho
I rest my case.
These guys are nutters :D.
They could have bothered to examine the faith of the author himself. Then they'd see the analogy this entire film is. Oh well.
[ 12-29-2001: Message edited by: StSanta ]
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Ummm... does this guy sound a little paranoid:
"Maybe the Christian faith is under more attack [by the adversary through the unbelievers] than any other faith because it is the "right one": the one faith that poses the greatest and maybe the only real threat to the adversary."
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I think that basically what we have here is somebody taking something too seriously. Its just a movie of an adult fairy tale. Its not meant to represent reality in any way. Tolkien didnt mean for anybody take his works as some kind of truth or anything of the sort. It just a story of a world he made up. Anybody that tries to see some kind of evil conspiracy there is just wasting their time. Reminds me of those people that thought they heard satanic messages in some records that were played backwards. One of the biggest things that I think is funny about the review is the fact that the author seems to think that nobody should go watch the movie because it is evil and violent or whatever. However, he obviously watched it and it doesnt seem to have affected his beliefs at all. If his faith can withstand a fairy tale movie than why does he think that nobody elses can? The people that engage in these sort of diatribes do a disservice to Christianity, since they cause people to think that Christians are all paranoid and silly, and also because they focus all this effort on fighting a movie and fail to recognize the very real dangers to our their faith that do exist. Christians in China face a real threat to their faith in a government that seeks to limit their freedom to worship and assemble themselves as they choose. Some Christians in America, it seems, with very little in the way of real threats facing them in a country that guarantees the right to worship as they please, see threats in every shadow. I do think that Hollywood in general is somewhat prejudiced against Christians, but this movie isnt an attack on Christianity. The person that wrote that article needs to get a better grip on reality.
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Karnak personally i am more concerned that you actually found that review in the first place !! :)
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Didn't know so many here were that prejudiced. Enlightening thread.
[ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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My cousin and his wife are very religous (she is the daughter of a pastor). They've brought their children up in Christian schools and adhered to strict religious doctrine.
His son has read "The Hobbit" and wanted to go see LOTR. He asked me about it.. and if I think it would be OK for him to take his kids to see it.
I told him it was an excellent movie that depicted the book very well. It is perhaps the best epic I've ever seen... but...
Its very important for people (insert Christians) to understand that a movie depicting good and evil is not the same as God and Satan. It is possible to create a story void of the religious overtones (though people always find/create the undertones). In these movies, magic is a force and is usually devided into good and evil. The good magic helps/protects the world, the bad magic is usually based on destruction.
If anyone tries to tell me that any wizardry or magic is evil... I just remind them that most of the things they refer to as "Miracles" could be classified as magic and Moses was as much of a wizard as Gandalf. Of course, I'm a blasphemer for such ideas... but 8 years of Christian school has taught me to know better when someone goes zeolot on me.
AKDejaVu
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Well, to put things into perspective and religious stuff aside, FOTR was a really violent movie and I wouldn't take a sensitive 8-year old to see it. Emphasis on the word sensitive..
Peter Jackson makes very graphic violence (although in this movie it was almost nonexistent) probably because his earlier work with splatter was all about making the violence overshoot to the level of becoming funny.
If you have a kid that gets scared from seeing movies in general, think twice before taking him to see FOTR. OTOH if your kid enjoys seeing this kind of wild stories without bedwetting the next night.. Take him there, he will enjoy it.
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If anyone tries to tell me that any wizardry or magic is evil... I just remind them that most of the things they refer to as "Miracles" could be classified as magic and Moses was as much of a wizard as Gandalf. Of course, I'm a blasphemer for such ideas... but 8 years of Christian school has taught me to know better when someone goes zeolot on me.
AKDejaVu
good point, mind if i borrow that argument from time to time?
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
If anyone tries to tell me that any wizardry or magic is evil... I just remind them that most of the things they refer to as "Miracles" could be classified as magic and Moses was as much of a wizard as Gandalf. Of course, I'm a blasphemer for such ideas... but 8 years of Christian school has taught me to know better when someone goes zeolot on me.
AKDejaVu
Until last year, I'd never set foot in a Catholic church. Nor had I observed the typical rituals.
I've read a bit on Wicca and the Satanic Bible and both seemed to have some good points. For me, both failed when they started explaining the application of magic. I just don't buy it.
Now... imagine my surprise at witnessing the Catholic rituals. It's the same sort of magic as that found in Wicca or the COS.
As far as I'm concerned, the Christian church practices magic no different than that of other religions. They simply deny calling it what it is. Prayer, communion, etc... it's all magic.
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Catholic and Christian are not freely interchangable terms.
while catholics are chistians, most christians are not Catholic
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Funkedup,
I fully support the rights of the authors of that review to have, publish and advocate their views. I would put my life on the line to defend their right to do so should they be in danger of losing that right.
However, I also hold firm in my right to find them very, very silly and to comment on that.
I went to see that movie with a Christian friend the day it came out. He loved it. Last friday I went to see it with a fundamentalist Christian friend (8,000 year old earth, no evolution, ext, ext) and, if anything, he loved it more. Said he could watch it 6 times in a row.
Both of these guys feel that this review is silly.
Understand that we don't hate, or want to silence, these guys. But if you are extreme enough you will get mocked and made sport of.
There is a lot of discontent, some of it quite strong, posted on this board that is directed at looney lefty extremists. This was sort of my way of gently, and with some humor, reminding people that the righties have their loons as well.
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JRR Tolkien was amongst the most devoutly Catholic of men. It was a central factor in his life and all the protagonists in the story are very spiritual people. The movie of course misses most of that.
That is what the fellow in the review is missing. Tolkiens works subltly encourage faith in his readers. Often times the protagonists have only faith. They have only the names of thier gods and thier faith in them to persevere, thier prayers seem to be answered but not by direct intervention from on high but by thier own strengths revealed.
Religion today seems to be under attack as much by the errosion of any faith or spirituality at all in people as by someone trying to advocate a different faith or demonic worship.
Tolkien is a subtle answer to that problem.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM:
For me, both failed when they started explaining the application of magic. I just don't buy it.
What may be confusing, in most peoples cases, your mind through many years of TV and movies interprets magic as some fantastic trick, some unbeilveable act or summons.
Which is not the case in Satanism.
The Satanic deffiniton of magic is: "to change the outcome of an event buy using ones will."
If you read closely you will see that it talks of "trickery" magic, levating things, fireballs and such are not true "magic" buy deffinition. Those types of acts are not truely emotionaly motivated so one would not want to waste there pyscholoical energy on such tricks, as they would be "physcologial vampires". A satanist would use props for this, if he would even bother at all.
One thing i want to mention here that may help you understand the application of "magic" (keep the deffintion in mind). In order for the effect to be postitive, in your favor you need to exsust all emotion on the subject of your ritual.. may it be the birth of your child, the death of a loved one, or harm to a enemy or his likeness. You must release all emotion so the guilt or anger does not burden you any longer, and if properly executed you will not even have the topic of the rite on your mind the following day.
For example: Say you wish for your women to become pregnant with your child. You would proform a ritual and call apon Aamon (Some would call a "god", or deamon, but simply words which over 3000 years ago were found buy satanic scholars to envoke proper emotion to enspire sexuality and reproduction). Now this isnt so "Aamon" will come "out of hell" and have intercourse with your women, its simply symbolic in its nature to envoke emotion. The next day if done properly you shall have "no worries" if your seed is strong, and in 9 months you will be a father.
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Sorry to run on, just wanted to help out some ignorant people who do not understand such things. Which is understandable from where they stand, since you otherwise would not have heard the truth. Its not like this stuff has its own dedicated channel(s) on the TV or publicized and forced on everyone.
This is not meant to offend anyone, im not attempting to entice anyone to follow my beliefs, i only wish to educate.
Remeber, the average human only uses 7% of his brains capacity. You and I have no idea what the other portion has instore, never underestimate something you do not fully understand.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM:
As far as I'm concerned, the Christian church practices magic no different than that of other religions. They simply deny calling it what it is. Prayer, communion, etc... it's all magic.
You are 100% correct, most of the sybolic devices, amoung other things, used in these "communions" are adopted from other beliefs.
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Just wanted to elaborate on what Dejavu stated about the "evil/good", "satan/god" battle.. He hit the nail on the head. Thanks to all the christian "media" over the passed few hundered years we have begun to openly associate Evil with Satan. Which buy deffinition is not the case.
Just ask "dubya bush", the taliban are evil. But they are not satan.
In LOTR there is no christian God, or Satanic princes. there is good and evil.
[ 12-31-2001: Message edited by: Am0n ]
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM:
Until last year, I'd never set foot in a Catholic church. Nor had I observed the typical rituals.
I've read a bit on Wicca and the Satanic Bible and both seemed to have some good points. For me, both failed when they started explaining the application of magic. I just don't buy it.
Now... imagine my surprise at witnessing the Catholic rituals. It's the same sort of magic as that found in Wicca or the COS.
As far as I'm concerned, the Christian church practices magic no different than that of other religions. They simply deny calling it what it is. Prayer, communion, etc... it's all magic.
Sandman--
Watch the movie Dogma -- while it did go a little overboard on the old testement stuff it did capture some of the ritualistic side of the Catholic Church. I was raised as a Catholic but when I married my wife was Lutheren (or as I like to say, all the guilt with half of the ritual) so we belong to that church.
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Thanx Am0n, you saw my point.
Maybe I just worded it incorrectly... where Wicca and Satanism failed me was with the belief that one could change the outcome of an event buy using ones will. Sorcery, witchcraft, magic... whatever. Even though I can agree that our brains just might contain a vast unrealized potential, I can't get past my skepticism.
I think the principle difference between the sorcery/witchcraft/magic religions and Christianity is that one prays to a higher being to change the outcome of an event rather than use one's own will.
And Milo... I've watched Dogma a few times. It's hilarious, but then again... I'm a Kevin Smith fan. My opinion is biased. :)
Oh... and back on topic, National Geographic has a site (http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ngbeyond/) meant to "discover the history, myth, and cultural forces that inspired The Lord of the Rings and explore the parallels between the imaginary world of Middle-earth and our own."
[ 12-31-2001: Message edited by: Sandman_SBM ]