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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Bodhi on December 17, 2005, 05:27:18 PM
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I would like to know what a timid pilot is.
I would also like to know how two players can engage in a 1 v 1 for 5 minutes and the one who loses can call the other a timid pilot and claim he is a better stick?
Seems to me that the pilot died, so he obviously is not the better stick....
Just an observation I saw tonight watching the banter from the losing pilot to the winner.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I would like to know what a timid pilot is.
I would also like to know how two players can engage in a 1 v 1 for 5 minutes and the one who loses can call the other a timid pilot and claim he is a better stick?
Seems to me that the pilot died, so he obviously is not the better stick....
Just an observation I saw tonight watching the banter from the losing pilot to the winner.
good question becaus flying smart is also flying timid.
only attacking with advantage...
using your planes strengths vs. the nme's planes disadvantages...
only committing to a fight when the outcome is inevitable...
and so on.
some will call it flying smart, some timid.
either way it's their 14.95
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Originally posted by WMLute
only attacking with advantage...
using your planes strengths vs. the nme's planes disadvantages...
only committing to a fight when the outcome is inevitable...
and so on.
That's more smart flying...
Timid flying would be more 1 vs 1, have 5k on enemy. Zoom down and "extend" 5k+.
When the enemy gets sick of following you and pulls off, turning back to zoom on it and "extend" another 5k.
If the pilot were smart it would climb straight up after missing his zoom, wait for his opponent to be in a bad position and time it so he can have a shot.
Extending 5k is not smart, it gives the opponent ample time to think of how he is going to evade the zoom.
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Originally posted by WMLute
good question becaus flying smart is also flying timid.
They necessarily don't go hand in hand. You can fly smart without being timid and vice versa.
ack-ack
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Asked and answered:
Furballers -vs- Timid Pilots (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=127979&highlight=timid)
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Example: A few nights ago I was flying the P51D in the “Best” role. (Kill and not die)
I took bombs to A3 and destroyed a FH. I then exited the base hot on a freindlies trail (a spit was following him) I thought I would help him get the bandit off his six as he reported he had taken damage and he was going to have to land at A4. (A4 was HOT with NME)
I followed him in to A4.Within about 4 miles of the home base he barks out “ oh no. There’s a P38 ahead,” he sounded worried that he might get bounced. So I engaged the P38 From an E advantage as my fellow Bish landed safely at A4. Now…Do I fight the P38? Or just land and call it a good mission after getting m,y wingy home safely and dropping a FH at A3? I decided to try my luck against the PJ. I turned back to the P38 who was trying to exit the area and get back home. I dove on his position and as suspected he did a wingover of sorts to reverse and get positioned for an HO merge. I pulled up gently in a climb as he glided under my belly…I extended in a gentle climb to about D2000 and repeated…he repeated also. At this point I knew I was going to have to try and close the Gap a bit, if i planned to land any hits. I reversed with a high yo-yo once again (a little closer this time,) and got shots on his canopy as he tried a break turn. I decided to stay in the saddle this time. I hit 2 flaps and rode out his six for about 270 deg’s of turn…as he started slipping away and inside my turn, I quickly disengaged knowing that my goose was about to get cooked. As I pulled into a climb at about 800 yrds and separating, he began laying rounds into my pony. I was getting nervous by now. I had 6 small holes in my right wing from Root to tip, and one BIG paint skint area in my left wing! I decided to level and extend a little faster. After he was about 2K behinde me he split off to RTB at his base about 15 miles away. I turned back and chased him to within 5 miles of his base and finished the now badly wounded PJ. the pilot was a "Known" good stick in the game. (Not going to mention names. No sloutch I assure you! I was glad I handled the fight the way I did after I knew who it was! Ahhh now we have arrived to the moral of this long winded story. LOL
Following the fight the "NME PILOT" gave me a textual toung lashing! LOL
Here is the transcript from the film viewer.
This is the transcript from the film with all other player text removed.
NME:200. you are the most boring timid pilot ive “flown” against in a long time.
MugZ:200 sorry bud
MugZ:200 ill DA with ya. It was one fight.
NME:200 . it was 1v1 there, whats the difference? I had wounded pilot after your first bounce.
MugZ:200. me in P51…you in P38J…I think I did what I had better done. Youd kicked my butt…I suck.
NME:200. glad you finally decided to come back after you was 5K away. When I was down to one engine.
MugZ:200. you didn’t say. Least I didn’t see if ya did.
NME:200 I said it a few times on 200
MugZ:200. . had I been more aggressive…youd have killed me. But I guess that woulda been ok?
NME:200 been more aggressive, you prolly woulda got me in one of my many blackouts. you pinged me up bit by bit
MugZ:200. you are mistaken..more aggressive..i woulda lost against you.
I really do suck
MugZ:200. sorry bout that then bud
At this point I checked the Roster because he wasn’t responding to my last 2 comments. He logged off.
Its this type of CH200 dialog that can cause many of us to get real tiered of AH.
A good stick gets caught with his hands down his pants and is toasted by a “Lesser” pilot.
Then the belly aching starts! One must practice good restrain and stay focused so he doesn’t FLY THEIR FIGHT!
Bottom line…He got his BUTT shot off, regardless of how it was done!
He explained how I “COULD" have killed him while his blood was staining the waters of the deep blue SEA.
Hope the Damn Sharks eat his stinky carcas!
The Moral of the story?....Fly the way you feel you need to. Ignor the NME....for he IS DEAD!
In now way do i want to make the NME pilot that was engaged in this transaction feel bad. He is a good guy and i respect him. I believe this is the exchange that you are refering to sir.
Originally posted by Raptor01
That's more smart flying...
Timid flying would be more 1 vs 1, have 5k on enemy. Zoom down and "extend" 5k+.
When the enemy gets sick of following you and pulls off, turning back to zoom on it and "extend" another 5k.
If the pilot were smart it would climb straight up after missing his zoom, wait for his opponent to be in a bad position and time it so he can have a shot.
Extending 5k is not smart, it gives the opponent ample time to think of how he is going to evade the zoom.
Distance of Extension depends on the NME AC and his E state
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The best is when a guy with an alt advantage calls a lower guy timid if the lower guy refuses to point the nose up and get roped by the higher guy.
Calling somone timid because they will not roll over and give you all the advantage is funny to me. Actually, whining is funny to me.......so pointless and boring to cry on 200 about anything.
I don't understand why some people have to continually cry like girls on 200.
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he needed an out! he lost and did not get to stroke his ego
sometimes it is not worth the popcorn and soda to tune to channel 200
seems the same as it ever was, funny how things supposedly change yet still remain the same........:cool:
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TC...i have a good F4U clip for ya. Me in P51...Blukitty in C-Hog. Kicked my butt!
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I was completely *****ed out for finding a P51 at 5K in the middle of nowhere, when I was at 10K in a Typhie and dove down and killed him
Actually tuned to me and called me every name in the book for attacking "with alt advantage". I think I was supposed to chop throttle, descend to his altitude, and engage from my 6.
Bader said, "This isn't a bloody game of rugby." The aces of WWII rarely engaged without advantage.
Of course, when I can just re-up, I am far more willing to dive into impossible odds.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
They necessarily don't go hand in hand. You can fly smart without being timid and vice versa.
ack-ack
That's exactly correct. Show me a purely timid pilot and I'll show you a guy who isn't killing anything. On the other hand a smart pilot is selectively aggressive or selectively timid as the case may be. Too many times I have heard timidity ubiquitously used as a term to describe anyone who won't fight where, when, how, if the name-caller wants to. I'm not sure how many here are military history buffs but one common thing all battlefield commanders pride themsleves on is the ability to engineer circumstances whereby they dictate when, where, how, and if a fight occurs, it's called maintaining strategic initiative. Flying smart is simply using this initiative to manipulate others into falling into YOUR trap while avoiding falling into THEIR trap. I use the term Tactical Awareness to describe 'smart flying'. Smart Flying/Tactical Awareness is knowing, instantly, intuitively :
A) When to engage
B) When to disengage
C) When to get low and slow
D) When not to get low and slow
E) When to stay high and preserve energy
F) When to switch targets mid-fight
This may seem very subtle, but more than anything except possibly gunnery this mystical 'Tactical Awareness', which is basically the active principle of Situational Awareness, determines the success or failure of the average MA fighter pilot.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Its this type of CH200 dialog that can cause many of us to get real tiered of AH.
And it is the exact type of diatribe that prevents me from tuning 200 to start with. ( Except when CMing.. where it's my job.. sigh )
200 is optional.. sorta like adding mandatory 24 hour hip-hop to your Jeep's Infinity Gold sound system.
Bah.. don't need it.
Besides, I really don't want to see all the meltdowns I cause due to HOs and puffy ack kills.. :D
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Originally posted by APDrone
200 is optional.. sorta like adding mandatory 24 hour hip-hop to your Jeep's Infinity Gold sound system.
I thought 24hr hip hip was mandatory on any Jeep product....?
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hehe
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I thought 24hr hip hip was mandatory on any Jeep product....?
Ya know.. now that you mention it..
I've never heard hip hop eminating from a Jeep.
Maybe it's a regional thing.
Well, ok, there was that time when I had Ton LOC running for a while ( Wild Thang )
But.. . other than that..
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Originally posted by Zazen13
That's exactly correct. Show me a purely timid pilot and I'll show you a guy who isn't killing anything. On the other hand a smart pilot is selectively aggressive or selectively timid as the case may be. Too many times I have heard timidity ubiquitously used as a term to describe anyone who won't fight where, when, how, if the name-caller wants to. I'm not sure how many here are military history buffs but one common thing all battlefield commanders pride themsleves on is the ability to engineer circumstances whereby they dictate when, where, how, and if a fight occurs, it's called maintaining strategic initiative. Flying smart is simply using this initiative to manipulate others into falling into YOUR trap while avoiding falling into THEIR trap. I use the term Tactical Awareness to describe 'smart flying'. Smart Flying/Tactical Awareness is knowing, instantly, intuitively :
A) When to engage
B) When to disengage
C) When to get low and slow
D) When not to get low and slow
E) When to stay high and preserve energy
F) When to switch targets mid-fight
This may seem very subtle, but more than anything except possibly gunnery this mystical 'Tactical Awareness', which is basically the active principle of Situational Awareness, determines the success or failure of the average MA fighter pilot.
Zazen
Damn, that was a very interesting observation of ones mental picture during a sortie, Zaz..........TY
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
TC...i have a good F4U clip for ya. Me in P51...Blukitty in C-Hog. Kicked my butt!
im not suprised. corsair has better stall charactaristics because of it's larger wing area and massive flaps. also it rolls better at high speed due to its larger control surfaces.
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There's a Channel 200? :D
I agree with the (seemingly) minority opinion that it's a mistake to pass BnZ off as "timidity" out of hand. It takes a certain amount of aggressiveness to BnZ effectively (I certainly qualify as "over aggressive," as I'll take my F4U straight into mid-speed E or turn-fight against about anything).
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Damn, that was a very interesting observation of ones mental picture during a sortie, Zaz..........TY
Happy to entertain as always! <> :)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Saxman
There's a Channel 200? :D
I agree with the (seemingly) minority opinion that it's a mistake to pass BnZ off as "timidity" out of hand. It takes a certain amount of aggressiveness to BnZ effectively (I certainly qualify as "over aggressive," as I'll take my F4U straight into mid-speed E or turn-fight against about anything).
That's a good point. Being selectively aggressive is an artform unto itself, too selective and you become too timid to get kills, too aggressive and you become too reckless to land them. There's a dichotomous balance between the two. Too many people don't keep flexible about how they think and fight. Remaining flexible in your approach is the key to success, take shots of opportunity, don't over-comit to one enemy or in a bad situation, abort an attack when any possible shooting opportunity is blown, pull up in a complex engagement to regain E and re-assess the local tactical picture before re-engaging, all of this is what makes for a good MA fighter pilot, sound fighter tactics.
There's a million ways to E-Fight, E-Figthing by its very nature is more subtle than angles fighting, the rope is a great example of the finesse required, too much rope and the fish gets off the hook, too little rope and he pours lead into your hanging plane. BnZ'ing is really just one form of E Fighting, BnZ'ing is actually one of the most blatantly aggressive form of attacks there is, time is of the essence with a BnZ pass, the average person checks his 6 o' clock every 8 seconds, that's your window of opportunity before he manuevers radically. Unlike the rope or a subtle Immelman turn the BnZ pass requires 100% commitment by the attacker. There is a point of no return from which the attacker loses so much energy he cannot sustain an advantage so must kill, egress or co-E fight a presumably more manueverable plane. I think what alot of people call timidty is a BnZer who decides for whatever reason to not pass that point of no return, basically he aborts his attack.
Do not assume just because someone has the advantage but is not attacking you he is timid. I for one have a favorite pattern I follow when hunting. For example if there is just me higher than several enemy and few if any friendlies in the vicinity I will deliberately not attack right away. I'll deliberatly take some half-arsed passes to keep their heads down. I'll often just hang there until they have forgotten about me, then BAM! Often I'll drag a few away from the rest to friends. That's not being timid, that's just tactics...;)
The sad fact is better than half of the MA pilots have really bad SA, they don't realize other reasons that guy isn't engaging them, he may be setting them up, he may be keeping them from gaining altitude until help arrives, there may be other enemy that are just waiting for him to commit to pounce he is aware of. A big source of the timidity complaints are people who choose to fly really slow planes that turn really well. A) A slow plane only gets a fight if the enemy chooses to oblidge them and B) If your plane out-turns every other plane in the air not many are going to want to get in tight with you, they'll cherry or BnZ you when our SA is down instead, as they should. So, if you want a 'less timid' opponent fly a faster plane that doesn't turn so well and your wish will be granted.
Zazen
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Only thing a Jeep product is good for is straight baja'n.... runnin watermelon over, and doin it with ease. :D
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hehe morph is teh timid:D
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I for one have a favorite pattern I follow when hunting. For example if there is just me higher than several enemy and few if any friendlies in the vicinity I will deliberately not attack right away. I'll deliberatly take some half-arsed passes to keep their heads down. I'll often just hang there until they have forgotten about me, then BAM! Often I'll drag a few away from the rest to friends. That's not being timid, that's just tactics...;)
But don't you find that, no matter how real-to-life-accurate it may be, it's just plain boring? Waiting until the guy forgets about you and then shooting him?
- oldman
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Well, if the guy forgets he's there, he sorta deserves to get shot.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
But don't you find that, no matter how real-to-life-accurate it may be, it's just plain boring? Waiting until the guy forgets about you and then shooting him?
- oldman
This is a 1 vs. many situation I am illustrating here, diving on multiple enemy that are aware of you is pretty futile unless they really, really suck and I never assume my opponent sucks unless he proves it to me. ;) A single enemy would be a different story, I could press the attack amidst his evasives without pulling my pants down for his buddies.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Saxman
Well, if the guy forgets he's there, he sorta deserves to get shot.
Fortuantely for Cherry Pickers the average attention span of the average person in the MA is about 15 seconds, 5 seconds less than my dog. :O
Zazen
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I reviewed the film.
Initially, I was thinking that you were another 109 timid pilot I encountered earlier that got away.
Didn't realize that was you until you killed my squaddie.
I didn't realize that you were also avoiding my squaddie and another countryman until they were already on you.
Once I had seen that you killed those 2 and your engine was hurt, I was willing to call it quits. Then you pressed on. I now know that since your engine oil was hit, you were more aggressive and that is why you finally chopped throttle. I on the other had was to equalize the E states. Once I was close enough, I thought I'd just shoot you once you went for rope again. unfortunately, you countered it and got me. In the end, you didn't deserve a salute from me but, maybe from the other 2. You did not fly "timid". I shouldn't tell you to fly with more balls either because it's your money and time.
My bad.
P.S.
I didn't mean to make you angry Bodhi. I still don't understand why you are involved. It doesn't matter.
Carry on.
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you went down the the deck. that was your choice. you were at 11k and i was 12 i did an emil up to 14k or so came around saw your buddies there waiting for me to in on you so i worked you down until they got within fighting distance. Killed them and then finished with you. we had realatively the same E.
I knew it was you and i knew you would whine. I dont want your salute, i want you to eat my 30's and take it like a man.
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Mugz, after your first pass, and i called pilot wound on 200 and you still extended 2k until i turned...yea i call that timid. Then you engage after i break and made a few more of these passes picking off pieces then getting an engine. after calling out on 200 that i was now pilot wounded and one engine, you extended 5k. there is a line between smart and timid. like i said that night, fly how you want...you want to fly timid, go right ahead. The extending 2k wasnt that bad, but throw in the fact i told you i was pilot wounded and eventually one engine then you extend 5k, that timid in my book. you can write your book any way you like tho.
~S~
oh yea, to PM me in game the way you have about this, then to read your smak here...amazing the difference in tone b/n the two.:aok
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I dont get why the enemy always wants to get on my 6.....any brave warrior would set up for a HO! ;)
Seriously, I hate running into a timid pilot, but I REALLY hate running into smart and careful pilot. They shoot me down from a position of advantage.....then I up from a nearby base and come in co-alt and they shoot me down without advantage. That really T's me off! I understand that someone has to lose, but why's it always gotta be me?
Personally, I cant see how Mugz' victim could expect him to know that he had a pilot wound and exactly when he was blacked out. I've sometimes thought my opponent was wounded, only to get my hiney handed to me (and even then he may actually have been wounded too).
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I would like to know what a timid pilot is.
I would also like to know how two players can engage in a 1 v 1 for 5 minutes and the one who loses can call the other a timid pilot and claim he is a better stick?
Seems to me that the pilot died, so he obviously is not the better stick....
Just an observation I saw tonight watching the banter from the losing pilot to the winner.
hands Bodhi another minnow :rofl
Karaya
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I found the exchange to be terribly amusing for a few moments, then it became trite and boring. Eventually, it flooded the text buffer and just got annoying. Typical of channel 200 chest thumping.
I'll never be good enough to be feared or even respected. Oh well, I don't need a game to measure my manhood.
The vast majority of "timid" calls are made by those who demand someone else fight them to their advantage. There are exceptions. None of it really matters.
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The epitome of the timid pilot is the guy in 2000 in a spit9 with ammo and alt who ran from me for 3 grids untill he ran out of gas. I was also in a spit9, he was srpaying when he went down.
His ack got me but it was worth it.
Another example is the guy in the 400+ mph getaway plane that won't come within 3k of you untill you're engaged with another plane.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Example: A few nights ago I was flying the P51D in the “Best” role. (Kill and not die)
I took bombs to A3 and destroyed a FH. I then exited the base hot on a freindlies trail (a spit was following him) I thought I would help him get the bandit off his six as he reported he had taken damage and he was going to have to land at A4. (A4 was HOT with NME)
I followed him in to A4.Within about 4 miles of the home base he barks out “ oh no. There’s a P38 ahead,” he sounded worried that he might get bounced. So I engaged the P38 From an E advantage as my fellow Bish landed safely at A4. Now…Do I fight the P38? Or just land and call it a good mission after getting m,y wingy home safely and dropping a FH at A3? I decided to try my luck against the PJ. I turned back to the P38 who was trying to exit the area and get back home. I dove on his position and as suspected he did a wingover of sorts to reverse and get positioned for an HO merge. I pulled up gently in a climb as he glided under my belly…I extended in a gentle climb to about D2000 and repeated…he repeated also. At this point I knew I was going to have to try and close the Gap a bit, if i planned to land any hits. I reversed with a high yo-yo once again (a little closer this time,) and got shots on his canopy as he tried a break turn. I decided to stay in the saddle this time. I hit 2 flaps and rode out his six for about 270 deg’s of turn…as he started slipping away and inside my turn, I quickly disengaged knowing that my goose was about to get cooked. As I pulled into a climb at about 800 yrds and separating, he began laying rounds into my pony. I was getting nervous by now. I had 6 small holes in my right wing from Root to tip, and one BIG paint skint area in my left wing! I decided to level and extend a little faster. After he was about 2K behinde me he split off to RTB at his base about 15 miles away. I turned back and chased him to within 5 miles of his base and finished the now badly wounded PJ. the pilot was a "Known" good stick in the game. (Not going to mention names. No sloutch I assure you! I was glad I handled the fight the way I did after I knew who it was! Ahhh now we have arrived to the moral of this long winded story. LOL
Following the fight the "NME PILOT" gave me a textual toung lashing! LOL
Here is the transcript from the film viewer.
This is the transcript from the film with all other player text removed.
NME:200. you are the most boring timid pilot ive “flown” against in a long time.
MugZ:200 sorry bud
MugZ:200 ill DA with ya. It was one fight.
NME:200 . it was 1v1 there, whats the difference? I had wounded pilot after your first bounce.
MugZ:200. me in P51…you in P38J…I think I did what I had better done. Youd kicked my butt…I suck.
NME:200. glad you finally decided to come back after you was 5K away. When I was down to one engine.
MugZ:200. you didn’t say. Least I didn’t see if ya did.
NME:200 I said it a few times on 200
MugZ:200. . had I been more aggressive…youd have killed me. But I guess that woulda been ok?
NME:200 been more aggressive, you prolly woulda got me in one of my many blackouts. you pinged me up bit by bit
MugZ:200. you are mistaken..more aggressive..i woulda lost against you.
I really do suck
MugZ:200. sorry bout that then bud
At this point I checked the Roster because he wasn’t responding to my last 2 comments. He logged off.
Its this type of CH200 dialog that can cause many of us to get real tiered of AH.
A good stick gets caught with his hands down his pants and is toasted by a “Lesser” pilot.
Then the belly aching starts! One must practice good restrain and stay focused so he doesn’t FLY THEIR FIGHT!
Bottom line…He got his BUTT shot off, regardless of how it was done!
He explained how I “COULD" have killed him while his blood was staining the waters of the deep blue SEA.
Hope the Damn Sharks eat his stinky carcas!
The Moral of the story?....Fly the way you feel you need to. Ignor the NME....for he IS DEAD!
In now way do i want to make the NME pilot that was engaged in this transaction feel bad. He is a good guy and i respect him. I believe this is the exchange that you are refering to sir.[/COLOR]
Distance of Extension depends on the NME AC and his E state
MugZ, with respects, the statement hilighted in red DOES NOT agree with the FACT that you posted the exchange at all. Had you not wanted to make him feel bad, you wouldn't have posted it at all.
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Morpheus, I would have done the same thing you did in this instance. Why? It's easy to talk watermelon and call someone timid when a 1 vs 1, can EASILY turn into a 3 on 1 (this isn't a thought in the DA).
Well done, you were NOT timid, you used your brain. I've noticed that lately, that if people are in certain planes, they turn right in front of me. They HAVE TO SEE ME! It appears cockiness is coming to the MA, I'm glad, I'm landing the kills.
Again, good job man! <>
Karaya
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I knew exactly who the post was about and what incident it was about as well. The minute it started on 200 I had a good idea what happened.
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Kermit,
I was never angry, just conflicted in how you could tell another pilot that he sucks, especially after he just got done whiping the floor with your's and 2 of your other buddies butts. I knew it was just a bruised ego, but it deserved to be called.
Top it off with the homosexuality comments emminating from you, and it was really poor form.
It's all good though.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
MugZ, with respects, the statement highlighted in red DOES NOT agree with the FACT that you posted the exchange at all. Had you not wanted to make him feel bad, you wouldn't have posted it at all.
Thanks for pointing it out. :( Don't know what I was thinking. In the event that he would have read this post I didn't want him to think I didn't respect his skill or his person. That's why I didn't use his game ID. He is one of the Good guys, he was just frustrated. You know who you are. My apologies..Sorry :(
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Little note here. Just because there are 3 NME planes...Doesnt mean they are buddies. (Winging together or otherwise organized)
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I would like to know what a timid pilot is.
I would also like to know how two players can engage in a 1 v 1 for 5 minutes and the one who loses can call the other a timid pilot and claim he is a better stick?
Seems to me that the pilot died, so he obviously is not the better stick....
Just an observation I saw tonight watching the banter from the losing pilot to the winner.
It's nothing but gamer rhetoric & opinion...
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Little note here. Just because there are 3 NME planes...Doesnt mean they are buddies. (Winging together or otherwise organized)
mugz please. were you there? mmmk then.
Maybe the comment on Ch200 about "better hurry up 109" while hs friends were roaring in tipped me off that he was in fact trying to set me up.
But of course you knew that. You were there. :rolleyes:
you should think twice before you post something. for your own good.
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you should think twice before you post something. for your own good
lol,,,,,coming from you, that gave me a good laugh, ty :rofl
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Originally posted by Morpheus
mugz please. were you there? mmmk then.
Maybe the comment on Ch200 about "better hurry up 109" while hs friends were roaring in tipped me off that he was in fact trying to set me up.
But of course you knew that. You were there. :rolleyes:
you should think twice before you post something. for your own good.
For my own good? What are you going to do?
Make derogatory comments in the BBS?
Im not directly referring to you situation directly.
Im simply pointing out the fact that its actually more rare that players are organized as a group than it is they just happen to be in the genarl area..
Sorry if i made you so defensively jumpy.
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This thread gets the Bronze...Not enough replies from certain people to warrent a Silver or Gold yet. But it could elevate in time...LOL
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I personally like when youcome in on a merge, and have some alt on the nme, drop for the canopy/tail shot and they pull up into you..... usually if you pull up into a guy with cannons, that is bad juju. The guy loses that merge and then jumps on private channel to you and tells you it was a nice HO.... being timid is flying smart in a sense. Keeping your advantage in fight is kind of the point. Nothing like blowing your advantage to give the guy a free kill...... morons I tell you.:rolleyes:
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Exactly Sketch... If you put yourself at a disadvantage, better be ready to start fighting deffencively. If you die, its no ones fautl but your own. (you, being anyone) I enjoy fighting from a disadvantage. I actually find it easier in most planes to fight that way... Again, not to mention much more fun. When I die low and slow that's my fault, because I screwed up.
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lolz.
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Morpheus, you are very correct.
Other than the split S's. I has doing low yo-yos to help me get more speed so that I could follow you up each time and take some shots at you as you went vertical in those ropes.
I heard a countrymen say something to me on range channel. At the time, you were bnz'n me for a few mintues already and I was under the impression that you were someone else. Again, read my earlier post about my previous engage with a 109k. I said "you better hurry up 109" on ch200 to alert you that if you don't, there "may" be others to jump you. If someone takes more than 5 minutes of bnz passes to kill me, they deserve to get jumped. I didn't call them in but one did ask, "hey kermit, do you need any help?" and I responded, "I think it's playerX. He's being timid and is just picking on me".
The only time I was co alt with you, you were doing over 300 while I was under 200.
After you shot me down, I was just frustrated at a few people, and then to get killed by a person that treats others on the bbs and in the game as stunninghunks, that was not right. The good guy should always win.:D
So I just opened my mouth to give you a hard time.
I won't do that to good people, not matter how bad a gang bang is, I'll sometimes salute the guy that gets me.
I believe everything has been explained now.
I apologize to everyone that heard me say something on ch200 that got offended.
Bodhi, you were being nosy and I mistreated you for that. I am sorry I aggreviated you.
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Originally posted by killnu
Mugz, after your first pass, and i called pilot wound on 200 and you still extended 2k until i turned...yea i call that timid. Then you engage after i break and made a few more of these passes picking off pieces then getting an engine. after calling out on 200 that i was now pilot wounded and one engine, you extended 5k. there is a line between smart and timid. like i said that night, fly how you want...you want to fly timid, go right ahead. The extending 2k wasnt that bad, but throw in the fact i told you i was pilot wounded and eventually one engine then you extend 5k, that timid in my book. you can write your book any way you like tho.
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oh yea, to PM me in game the way you have about this, then to read your smak here...amazing the difference in tone b/n the two.:aok
Sir, i said it before...and ill say it now. I didnt see your text in game during the fight. Only after the fight did we converse. Not that i woulda gave a watermelon if you were wounded pilot or not. It just wouldnt have been a factor in my decision making during the fight.
The PM happened after this original post KillinU.
Smak talk? Where?
There is no smak talk. Just an example from an actual event in the MA that was related to the topic. If you feel the need to come here and reveal yourself as the second party? Be my guest. Again..i think your one of the good guys and im sorry if you think this is a slam in any way. It doesn't change the lesson to be learned by all. Fly your own fight, ignor the rediculas text. Had i seen the text and reacted to it, you might have killed me in a snap shot while "NOT" in the blackout had i been too agressive.
I made it a point to remove you game ID for a reason. This wasnt meant to be smak talk or a reflection on your skill or person. PS. I Know you are a better stick than I. and forgive me if i went about it wrong.
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Interesting thread. This one has plagued me for a while, and sometimes I get a little upset when called timid (should probably have a break:) ).
However as a counterpoint to the point of this thread, I had one of the most amazing fights and subsequent CH200 backslapping events ever.
The "old" Islands map was up and I was winging with Silat, something I usually dread as he uses me as bait, however this night the boot was on the other foot. I've been flying the F4U-4 a lot lately, and am astounded that more people don't fly it. It is a hidden gem. We were doing the A10-A9 run, and I was some 10k higher than Lew and he was in big trouble. Just as I was about to jump in, a slightly higher "Typhoon" (I say that because they usually turn into "Tempest" at 400yds) engaged me. We twisted and turned, and I kept milking the F4U-4's E rentention ability until I started getting angles on the Tiffie (phew NOT a Tempest).
As is the dogfighter's wont, we slowly lost alt while we jousted, ACMing for all our worth. I noticed 2 Spits and a La7 hovering around the fight, so I figured the guy I was fighting must have warned them off. I have no idea how long the fight went, but it felt like hours, when my honourable (and pinged) opponent tried to escape by tunnelling through a small hill. Blimey! Danodano! Not only was it a superb fight, the guy was good too!
Silat had been playing with some guys slightly lower than my fight, and was now bogged down by the guys who had being staying out of my fight with Dano. Plus I was low and slow. Bugger. By now Dano and I had exhanged and greetings on 200, and marvelled at being allowed to have a decent 1vs1 fight that could have gone either way. I called Silat to see if he needed help to extract himself, and just then he lost an engine (P38 - what a surprise). BUgger again. I turned back to help, low on alt and E and thinking, drat what a way to finish a great fight with Dano, bounced by his buddies. Somehow though we managed to take the (now 5) guys down, one by one, until the La7 popped Silat. I managed to get the La7, just as more guys arrived, and I ran out of ammo. All the while Dano, who has come back, is staying out of the fight, offering gentle encouragement.
He let me go once the fight was over. The whole engagement lasted about 10 minutes, but it was one of those sweat drenched, peel your fingers off the joystick fights, that happen about once a year, usually because one of the good guys makes it special.
CH 200 doesn't HAVE to be pointless chest beating contest. In fact you can both, opponents that is, use it to your advantage if you are respectful.
Voch5
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Bodhi, you were being nosy and I mistreated you for that. I am sorry I aggreviated you.
You started a whinefest on 200. That is about as public as I can imagine a whinefest being...
Eitehr way, I am not aggravated, just thought it was poor form. Hell, everyone hates getting killed, but to take it to the extremes you did....
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Originally posted by palef
Interesting thread. This one has plagued me for a while, and sometimes I get a little upset when called timid (should probably have a break:) ).
However as a counterpoint to the point of this thread, I had one of the most amazing fights and subsequent CH200 backslapping events ever.
Voch5
Great AAR Voch, brought a tear to my eye. Reminds me alot of the chivalrous days of AWFR when you could call bingo ammo and the guy would let you go. Somewhere along the way the world became a much more cruel and cold place. It's nice to know the old school ways aren't totally dead.
Zazen
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Sounds like that dude got his bellybutton handed to him on A silver platter by A noobie that had some brains & done what the P51 does best.
P.S If it makes you fill any better, iv had the same thing done to me, but with A good pilot in an La7 & I wen't off on one too :furious:, but he was A good sport about it & I kicked his bellybutton in the DA after :rofl