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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on December 18, 2005, 09:41:26 AM
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I am surprised nobody has mentiond this yet.
This year not only does Christmas fall on the 25 as it does every year but also Hanukkah - Chanukah begins at sundown on the 25th. ( a fact Im surprised nobody pointed out)
Therefore the proper greeting IMO should be to say
"Merry Christmas and a Happy Hanukkah/Chanukah"
I know someone mentioned on another thread that they are Chritian so they dont say Happy Hanukkah. IMO that is the wrong way to go about it.
If those of us that celebrate Christmas want and expect our holidays and traditions to be recognised and respected then we must also show the same recognition to others.
Each after all are intended as friendly well intended greetings. And not to try to convert anyone
People IMO should take a more incusionary stance then the exclusionary stance that is becomming more the norm much to our ire.
And if religeously you think you have to justify it just remember.
In his lifetime Jesus was after all a Jew
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DO NOT bring common sense or rational thought to such an argument.
It ruins the whole damned thing.:D
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
DO NOT bring common sense or rational thought to such an argument.
It ruins the whole damned thing.:D
True.
but it at least has the benifit of being unique;)
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Sounds like a lot to say. I'll just continue wishing people a Merry Christmas, or Happy Holidays if I'm talkin' about the season. If they tell me they're Jewish, I'll wish 'em a Happy Hanukah. I don't really care if anyone recognizes or respects Christmas...well, except for my family and friends who I celebrate with.
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Merry Festivus
The Festivus celebration includes four major components:
The Festivus Pole: The Costanzas' tradition begins with a bare aluminum pole, which Frank praises for its "very high strength-to-weight ratio." During Festivus, an unadorned aluminum pole is displayed. The pole was chosen apparently in opposition to the commercialization of highly decorated Christmas trees, because it is "very low-maintenance," and also because the holiday's patron, Frank Costanza, "find tinsel distracting."
Festivus Dinner: The Festivus dinner menu is flexible, but it should be filling non-holiday comfort food (no turkey, duck, goose, or ham). The televised dinner featured what may have been meatloaf or spaghetti in a red sauce. (Presumably, an entree in a red sauce is more festive.) Alcohol can be drunk from a flask, since that is what was seen being done by Kruger at the table.
The Airing of Grievances: At the Festivus dinner, each participant tells friends and family all of the instances where they disappointed him or her that year.
The Feats of Strength: The head of the family tests his or her strength against one participant of the head's choosing. Festivus is not considered over until the head of the family has been pinned to the ground. A participant is allowed to decline to attempt to pin the head of the family only if they have something better to do instead.
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I am Christian, thus I celebrate Christmas, not Hanukah.
I will continue to wish people a "Merry Christmas". If I am wished a "Happy Hanukah" I will thank them for the greeting, since they are wishing me the spirit of their holiday, the same as I am.
Tolerance does NOT mean sacrificing your beliefs to anothers, rather it means repsecting the other persons right to hold those beliefs. There's a world of difference between the two.
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Geesh don't u guys know? It's "happy christmahaunaquanzica"
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"Have a merry non-denominational secular holiday"
At least that seems to be the only "acceptable" PC way to say it.:rolleyes:
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I didn't realise that Dred..it's pretty cool..thanks for mentioning it.:aok
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Originally posted by Shaky
I am Christian, thus I celebrate Christmas, not Hanukah.
I will continue to wish people a "Merry Christmas". If I am wished a "Happy Hanukah" I will thank them for the greeting, since they are wishing me the spirit of their holiday, the same as I am.
Tolerance does NOT mean sacrificing your beliefs to anothers, rather it means repsecting the other persons right to hold those beliefs. There's a world of difference between the two.
Wishing one a happy Hanuka does in no way sacrifice your beleifs
Is merely showing recognition and respect to anothers.
And as I said before. Jesus in his life time was Jewish.
That was the faith he practiced.
Hanukka was in all likelyhood one of things he also celibrated
"Many Jewish holidays commemorate events invested with historical and religious meaning. Hanukkah means "dedication," and it commemorates the rededication of the Temple in Jerusalem after its desecration by foreign forces. "
Had it not been for this event we very well might not have had a Christ to celebrate Christmas
"Chanukkah, the Jewish festival of rededication, also known as the festival of lights, is an eight day festival beginning on the 25th day of the Jewish month of Kislev.
Chanukkah is probably one of the best known Jewish holidays, not because of any great religious significance, but because of its proximity to Christmas. Many non-Jews (and even many assimilated Jews!) think of this holiday as the Jewish Christmas, adopting many of the Christmas customs, such as elaborate gift-giving and decoration. It is bitterly ironic that this holiday, which has its roots in a revolution against assimilation and the suppression of Jewish religion, has become the most assimilated, secular holiday on our calendar.
The Story
The story of Chanukkah begins in the reign of Alexander the Great. Alexander conquered Syria, Egypt and Palestine, but allowed the lands under his control to continue observing their own religions and retain a certain degree of autonomy. Under this relatively benevolent rule, many Jews assimilated much of Hellenistic culture, adopting the language, the customs and the dress of the Greeks, in much the same way that Jews in America today blend into the secular American society.
More than a century later, a successor of Alexander, Antiochus IV was in control of the region. He began to oppress the Jews severely, placing a Hellenistic priest in the Temple, massacring Jews, prohibiting the practice of the Jewish religion, and desecrating the Temple by requiring the sacrifice of pigs (a non-kosher animal) on the altar. Two groups opposed Antiochus: a basically nationalistic group led by Mattathias the Hasmonean and his son Judah Maccabee, and a religious traditionalist group known as the Chasidim, the forerunners of the Pharisees (no direct connection to the modern movement known as Chasidism). They joined forces in a revolt against both the assimilation of the Hellenistic Jews and oppression by the Selucid Greek government. The revolution succeeded and the Temple was rededicated.
According to tradition as recorded in the Talmud, at the time of the rededication, there was very little oil left that had not been defiled by the Greeks. Oil was needed for the menorah (candelabrum) in the Temple, which was supposed to burn throughout the night every night. There was only enough oil to burn for one day, yet miraculously, it burned for eight days, the time needed to prepare a fresh supply of oil for the menorah. An eight day festival was declared to commemorate this miracle. Note that the holiday commemorates the miracle of the oil, not the military victory: Jews do not glorify war. "
Judaism 101 (http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday7.htm)
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Happy Kwanza everyone!
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Originally posted by ASTAC
"Have a merry non-denominational secular holiday"
At least that seems to be the only "acceptable" PC way to say it.:rolleyes:
"Merry Commericalism" and "Happy Sales Days"
:aok
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i rejoice at the winter solstice, the sun is restoring my belief that the summer will come again.
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As George Carlin has said,
Hey, hello, how are you?, hows'e the hammer hanging?
May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house.
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Ah, tis the season to be generic. I am reminded of Alec Baldwin's classic SNL monologue:
Alec Baldwin: During the Christmas season, I received many Christmas cards. Unfortunately, because I was so busy, I didn't have time to send out any myself. So, if I could, I'd like to use this as my Christmas card to everyone who was kind enough to send one to me.
[ puts Santa hat on his head and begins ]
"Dear Friend, or Relative, or Business Associate. Merry Christmas, or Hanukkah, or Kwanzaa, or Solstice, or Voodoo Day.
Boy, what a year it's been - me, with my acting, and, you doing whatever it is that you do. Thanks for the Christmas card, it was very beautiful, or humorous. I enjoyed the photo of your kid, or kids. Boy, he, or she, or they are really getting big. Have you seen our mutual friend, if we have one? Can you believe what he or she is up to? Boy, some people! Has your son, or daughter, or sister, or brother, or husband, or wife still have that drug problem? All you can do is trust in God, or, if you prefer, voodoo.
How is Granny, or Nana, or Mimi, or Yaya? So so? Hey, how about the professional sports team that we both root for? They should fire, or rehire that manager of theirs. He's a character!
Well, gotta go. By the way, sorry about throwing up on your carpet that time, or times. I hope you receive many presents from Santa, or Hanukkah Guy, or the Voodoo Man.. and that the coming year is as good as, or better than, or nothing like the last year.
Love, Alec.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
...By the way, sorry about throwing up on your carpet that time, or times....
LOL