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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SMIDSY on December 19, 2005, 11:26:05 AM
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I am making this post to comemorate the brave sacrifice of the submariners of the Kriegsmarine in the Second World War. I got about halfway through adding up the losses but it just got too depressing at around 4,000. In total, 1,151 U-Boats were lost durring the war.
U-Boats hold a special place in my heart. These brave men turned to the sea to make something of themselves and bring pride to the fatherland. In spite of staggering losses they mantained relatively high morale and faught on untill the end.
Here are some faces of the U-Boat fleet.
(http://www.flottenbasis.de/marine_kurier/ausgabe012005/bilder/seekarte2.jpg)
(http://hometown.aol.com/u873/images/u-511%20rocket%20launcher%203.jpg)
(http://uboat.net/men/crew/images/torpedo_1.jpg)
(http://www.wreckhunter.net/u-boat-contower.JPG)
(http://www.wreckhunter.net/uboat-periscope.JPG)
(http://www.uboat.net/men/photos/lassen.jpg)
(http://www.fortmilesha.org/_borders/Gernam%20U-Boat%20Commander%20172.jpg)
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You have got to be kidding.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You have got to be kidding.
about what?
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Brave men, I won't deny that.
OTOH they were mostly attacking merchant shipping and were issued orders to machine gun the survivors of sunken ships (to be honest, a non negligible part of captains never accomplished those infamous orders).
The nazi submarine total war is not to be forgotten, but there is nothing to commemorate IMO.
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most germans in the Kriegsmarine were not nazis. in fact they almoast never made the nazi salute even in the presence of hitler himself. i am commemorating their devotion to duty and their sacrifice for the sake of honor. are these not ideals that our country holds most dear? why can we not respect our adversaries of years gone by? and must we cling to the foolish idea of "every german was a filthy nazi"?
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we waged total war on japanese shipping, does that mean our submariners dont get to be commemorated?
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I think it's more a question of the ideals they were protecting. Sure the men were brave, so are suicide bombers if that is the only critereon for respect. I don't think so.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I think it's more a question of the ideals they were protecting. Sure the men were brave, so are suicide bombers if that is the only critereon for respect. I don't think so.
You kinda have to look at it like this....You don't expect that what you are fighting for is an evil cause. I don't expect if we were out doing evil we'd even realize it.
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rut-roh!
Lock it! Lock it now!
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I would rather commemorate the sacrifice of the allied merchant marines and others who died as a result of hitlers submarines forces.
But if you want to pay homage to hitlers military, feel free. I think I know where your coming from though and I dont begrudge you, I just think there is a more valuable place and a more deserving force to pay your respect to.
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...bring pride to the fatherland.
And maybe aid Hitler in his plans for world domination?
Respecting someone is one thing, glorifying them is quite another...
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ve ver not natizs, all za natizes died in za var! yah
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most germans in the Kriegsmarine were not nazis. in fact they almoast never made the nazi salute even in the presence of hitler himself.
Formal Nazis or not, the German population in general, and by extension the military made up of that population, had strong support for Hitler through the 1930s - 40s. Estatic, by and large, with the early successes in the War, that support never fully wained even in the dark final years. Some from that generation, not even formal Nazis, still admire Hitler to this day -- if only, what might have been...
Misled, sure. Indoctrinated, sure. Deluded, unwilling to consider the "big picture," sure. Unaware of the full depth of the Nazi horrors, sure (but, nobody seemed all that concerend about exactly what was happening to their untermensch neighbors once they boarded that train for "resettlement" in the East). They reaped what they sowed. Brave but criminally misguided men who gave up their lives for less than nothing and took the lives of many good men in the process. Pay more attention next time, perhaps.
The White Rose students, and Canaris are some of my German heroes from the period. Brave, morally strong, took action when even others who saw the perversion of the Nazis failed to act...
Charon
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You have got to be kidding.
Nah, he's bucking for Forum Post potato. A pointless thread that is just here to stir up the water.
Karaya
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i made this thread because it seems that nobody cares about the sacrifice that enemy soldiers made. in the end we are all human beings. the point of this thread is also to showcase the tragedy of war for ALL sides. the very fact that most of you say that all germans were evil is insane. many of these commanders were in the kriegsmarine before hitler rose to power and many stayed after.
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If they weren't nazis what were they? The german underground resistance navy ?
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Originally posted by Suave
If they weren't nazis what were they? The german underground resistance navy ?
LOL it's like with France but oposite, everyone in france was part of the resistance.
No one in Germany was a Nazi!:lol
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Smidsy,
Are you going to next post a thread extoling the virtues of the merchant seamen, passengers and so on that died as a result of those German U boats?
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no, next thread is dedicated to the men of the US destroyer fleet. but i will do merchants after that (i will include merchants of all sides.) this is the first in a series of threads to put a human face on axis and allied forces alike.
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
no, next thread is dedicated to the men of the US destroyer fleet. but i will do merchants after that (i will include merchants of all sides.) this is the first in a series of threads to put a human face on axis and allied forces alike.
Post the pictures in your home. WE do NOT need to reminded of these.
Karaya
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(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/IDthis4.jpg)
My grandfather was a Captain of a ship for lend-lease program. It’s a good thing he didn’t met those ‘brave man’...
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your grandfather was also brave.
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Smidsy the problem with this thread is that you did not add more pictures from the allied/soviet side. Now people see this as pro-nazi comemoration.
Of all the "Werhrmacht" (Armed Forces) branch, the Luftwaffe is getting the most fanfare... thanks to WWII flight sim games :)
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i see your point. my idea was to humanize people who are generally seen as villans. but i suppose i could curve the thread. unfortunately, google has failed me on this. so if you can find any good photos of american, brittish, french, italian, japanese, etc. submarine crews then please post them.
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brass balls (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-369888258105653405&q=skydiving+from+the+edge+of+the+world)
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Originally posted by moot
brass balls (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-369888258105653405&q=skydiving+from+the+edge+of+the+world)
Cool!