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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JBA on December 20, 2005, 04:13:11 PM
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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/20/D8EK78C02.html
It's said that the strike is costing NYC $400 million a day.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/19/D8EJITM00.html
......Mayor Michael Bloomberg, in his weekly radio address Sunday, called a possible citywide strike "reprehensible" and said it would drain $400 million a day from the economy. .......
.....The union has opposed an MTA plan to raise the age at which a new employee becomes eligible for a full pension from 55 to 62. It is asking the state Public Employment Relations Board to rule that under state law, a dispute over pension benefits for new hires cannot be cited by management in declaring talks to be at an impasse
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I say fire em. Tell them either show up tomorow on time for work or you can reapply for your job if you would like. They are breaking the law by being on strike, and should be fired.
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:rofl Unions. Gotta love 'em! :rofl Guess where most of those union dues go to?
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I couldnt agree more....fire the lot of them.
Just some food for thought. I've never been to NY but from what my understanding is that not alot of people actually own cars there, alot of them utilize public transportation.....especialll y the poor.
These jerks have some nerve trying to seek pity.
I have a 16 month old son who will be taken to day care today in his STROLLER. In 20 degree weather. I am paid hourly and will lose today's salary.
You have only hurt your fellow New Yorkers with this strike, mostly in our pockets. Do not expect any sympathy when you can not pay your fines.
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I am disabled and dying from Kidney failure on a fixed income, thanks to your selfish strike I have no way of getting to my doctors office or to the hospital for surgery. If my health is affected by your deplorable actions I will not hesitate to sue your 'union'...
I like that people get to see what Unions really are, and what they really do. What private sector employee gets a mandatory 8% non-performancep-based raise each year? What private sector employee has a standard retirement age of 55? How does driving a train or a bus entitle someone to these types of benefits? And then when they don't get what they demand, they shut the city down and make us look like Paris.http://www.alarmingnews.com/archives/004117.html
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I couldnt agree more....fire the lot of them.
Seems they are important to the city. As such shouldn't they be compensated. There is more to worth than sitting behind a desk in an overpaid position. It seems you need them. I doubt they missed you.
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Naaaa
Fire them and then post the jobs on Monster.com
I bet they get better quality workers than the old Union die hards who they got rid of.
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Originally posted by Lye-El
Seems they are important to the city. As such shouldn't they be compensated. There is more to worth than sitting behind a desk in an overpaid position. It seems you need them. I doubt they missed you.
Well if I lived there they'd need me for a paycheck as much as I need them to get to work. Either way they are breaking the law by striking and their demands are unreasonable.
I say fire them all and put up some help wanted signs. Hire them back "Non-union" at 75% pay.
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Living in the NYC metro area this strike blows, nothin is moving and the people who work in other industries in NYC are gettin killed, money wise.
The other thing is the huge crowds at Penn station is a suicide bombers wet dream waitin to happen. I hope it doesn't.
Tonite the westside highway was bumper to bumper from the battery to the GWB.
Hell the unions international is calling for them to go back to work.
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Originally posted by doobs
Living in the NYC metro area this strike blows, nothin is moving and the people who work in other industries in NYC are gettin killed, money wise.
The other thing is the huge crowds at Penn station is a suicide bombers wet dream waitin to happen. I hope it doesn't.
Tonite the westside highway was bumper to bumper from the battery to the GWB.
Hell the unions international is calling for them to go back to work.
Seeems like these people are a little more important than previously thought. Perhaps their point has been proven.
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Doesn't bother me because I drive everywhere. Fire them.
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Originally posted by Skilless
Seeems like these people are a little more important than previously thought. Perhaps their point has been proven.
They're monkeys. The only reason things ain't moving is because the city isn't bringing in new monkeys to replace the old ones.
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Originally posted by Lye-El
Seems they are important to the city. As such shouldn't they be compensated. There is more to worth than sitting behind a desk in an overpaid position. It seems you need them. I doubt they missed you.
The brother-in-law of a co-worker of mine is an MTA bus driver. Last year, with overtime, he grossed $72,000....
Now they demand an 8% increase, early retirement and relaxed discipline...
Bite me.....
Invoke the Taylor law and lose the lot of 'em..... Ask my friend Fred, a former air controller, if illegal and harmful strikes are wise. Fred ended up a Miami firefighter after Reagan fired them all.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by SOB
They're monkeys. The only reason things ain't moving is because the city isn't bringing in new monkeys to replace the old ones.
couldnt agree more.
Just to give you perspective. The military on average got a 3% pay raise for cost of living increase this year. These guys want 8% plus sooner retirement. It's asking way too much. The union doesnt care about the city or the workers mainly because it's an illegal strike and the lot of them could get fired.
Hire new monkeys. :aok
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It's a blue area... they are getting what they deserve.
lazs
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From what I gather, they want retirement at age 55 with full pension benefits they don't have to pay into.
With little more than ****ing high school diplomas... it is incredibly laughable.
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monkeys?
after seeing them on tv, that is racist isn't it SOB?
and I agree, fire them all .. +50k plus OT - retarded
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I haven't seen them on TV. Monkeys = Monkey Job = Job that a monkey could be trained to do. Up until Feb, I had a monkey job...worked in customer care at T-Mobile.
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Show me someone who is financially comfortable after spending all their working life employed in a union job and you will only see the "union boss". My uncle who died two years ago had to go back to work after 5 years just to make ends meet for him and his wife; because the union cut back on his pension and they published in our local paper that the union heads got a pay increase in that same month that those men and women got the pension decrease.
Sure he had great lifetime insurance but had to drive almost 2 hours one way just to go see the doctor to get a referral to go see the specialist 10 minute away from his house. Around here union jobs are loosing in popularity significantly because of the activities with the steel workers union and the auto workers union. Plus one of the biggest employers around here doesn't have a union and that is Mercedes Benz over in Tuscaloosa. However the Honda and Hyundai plants currently have unions and there has been talk recently of the employees pushing to get all the unions out of their plants.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
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Hire new monkeys. :aok
Import them from India. You can get college educated Indians to come to the U.S for cheap I'm sure.
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I guess the unions backed down & going back to work when the leaders were facing jail time. Now hopefully they follow the law & dock each member 2days pay for each day on strike.
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It's amazing how quickly the union leadership changes stride when it's their own butts on the line instead of those of their members. On an unrelated note and with no intent to link the two, I notice that the same thing happened in the Soviet Union. It's one thing when the 'little people' are being screwed, it's another when the leadership is in trouble.
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Outsource it...its the new american way.
MaHatmaCoat would do it. Musthafajob would do it.
Suburbs , interstate and an SUV...only way to get there baby:D
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Originally posted by Reschke
Show me someone who is financially comfortable after spending all their working life employed in a union job and you will only see the "union boss".
Why hello there. I am a state employee. My job is a union job. Should I be fortunate enough to work for the state until I retire, I will be quite financially comfortable. I could introduce you to any one of a number of folks who have been employed with the state for longer than I have that are financially comfortable, but I don't know any of them that frequent this particular BBS.
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Originally posted by SOB
Why hello there. I am a state employee. My job is a union job. Should I be fortunate enough to work for the state until I retire, I will be quite financially comfortable. I could introduce you to any one of a number of folks who have been employed with the state for longer than I have that are financially comfortable, but I don't know any of them that frequent this particular BBS.
EEE GADS SOB IS A UNION BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RUN FOR THE HILLS
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The capitalists job is to screw the workers and pay them as little as possible. It is always the employer that exploits the worker - not the other way around. Unions are their defence. Nothing wrong with that... in principle.
The trouble is that union leaders need a brain so they wouldn't kill the cow they are trying to milk. It's like a girl you try to pick up. She has to resist a little or she'd be labeled a slut, but not too much or you'll find another.
Make women union leaders.
Bozon
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The workers job is to squeeze every last penny out of the business owner and do as little work as possible.
Maybe the dirty capitalists need the protection here.
It's hardly as one sided as you say.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Maybe the dirty capitalists need the protection here.
Like the Tyco CEO . Just happened to omit a $25 million payment on his tax return. But he did share. He put a $6000 curtain in his maids bathroom. Wonder what he got for that.
I guess he needs protection. He got 8 to 25 in the state pen.
I think they need to investigate more CEOs and upper management. With Enron they got two. I doubt they are the only crooked ones.
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Originally posted by Lye-El
Like the Tyco CEO . Just happened to omit a $25 million payment on his tax return. But he did share. He put a $6000 curtain in his maids bathroom. Wonder what he got for that.
I guess he needs protection. He got 8 to 25 in the state pen.
I think they need to investigate more CEOs and upper management. With Enron they got two. I doubt they are the only crooked ones.
one extreme example justified by another extreme example isn't the norm but the exception. I agree with the thought that Union bosses really don't care. My workers union here don't do much but harras managment when a member has a problem. They don't do anything to fix problems except lodge complaints. But they are not allowed to strike.
True story: a new regulation came down that all food related items must be thrown away in a sealed containter....not an open trash can with a liner. To kill two birds with one stone we decided to get rid of the 12 small trash cans in our break room and replace them with 3 large ones that have lids. The bonus to this is that the airman that actually take out the trash at the end of shift (notice I said airman...no workers. Our civilians by contract are not allowed to do janetorial work....that's left to the military members) but this idea was meat by worker greviences of "change in working conditions". Even though the trash cans weren't specificly mentioned in the break room agreement we still couldn't replace them or "condense" them without union approval because of "past practices". IMHO it was pretty gehy. I'm often the last military member in my work area because I send the troops home early. I end up taking out the trash and it is stupid having 12 small trash cans instead of 3 large ones to empty.
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Lye-el: I'm a small business owner, and I have no 25 million dollar gutten pension funds.
It's amazing how your perspective can change if you're not in the "oppressed worker" roll and instead have to take responsibility for your own future.
Just sayin. :D
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Originally posted by Chairboy
The workers job is to squeeze every last penny out of the business owner and do as little work as possible.
Hey, I thought that was the union's job? :D
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Lye-el: I'm a small business owner, and I have no 25 million dollar gutten pension funds.
It's amazing how your perspective can change if you're not in the "oppressed worker" roll and instead have to take responsibility for your own future.
Just sayin. :D
I assume you have employees. Are you a good employer whose employees are like working for you? Or are you one that treats their employees like dirt, screws them every chance you get, then complains that they don't do a good job for you? If your employees "take responsibility for their own future" does that mean they would not be working for you?
Just saying :D
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My employees like me, based on my retention rate. Your post seemed to suggest that all capitalists were scum, and the poor workers of the world are in a pitched battle against them.
I respectfully disagree.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
My employees like me, based on my retention rate. Your post seemed to suggest that all capitalists were scum, and the poor workers of the world are in a pitched battle against them.
I respectfully disagree.
Chairboy: "Peter, What's happinen?"
Pizzaboy: "not much"
Chairboy: "yea.....I don't know if you got that memo"
Pizzaboy: "we get memos here?"
Chairboy: "yea....see we're using a new cover sheets for the TPS reports"
Pizzaboy: "WTF is a TPS report and since when did we start using memos? This is a freakin pizza place"
Chairboy: "Yea....I'll get you another copy of that memo and if you'd just correct that it'd be super"
Pizzaboy: "what freakin memo?"
Chairboy: "oh BTW we need to play catch up this weekend so I'm gonna need you to come in on Saturday"
Pizzaboy: "i'm allready on the schedule for saturday you retard"
Chairboy: "yea....that's great, I'm gonna need you to come in on sunday as well"
Pizzaboy: "dude all I do is make pizzas and the store is closed on sundays. Did you start sniffing glue again?"
Chairboy: "thanks Peter, that'd be super"
;)
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Oh, and I'll go ahead and send you a copy of that memo. Mmmmmm, thanks.
:D
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Firing a bunch of union guys in New York for participating in union related activity would be political suicide.
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No, that would actually be a plus, I think.
In 20 years, there won't be a "Labor Day" Holiday, because every day, people with jobs will be, well, laboring. Probably 10 or 12 hours a day, with no overtime. no health insurance, no anything. If they are lucky they'll live in a company town... if not they probably won't have a job. Why would people take jobs like this, you ask? Simple, because those are the only jobs there are.
The unions are there to protect the workers. No unions, no protection.
And the amazing thing is, Americans are so ****ing stupid, they'll not only eat ****, they'll LIKE it and ask for more!
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Actually Unions do nothing to protect workers.
The only thing that protects workers is staying ahead of the competition. If you do that you need more workers and the ones you have prosper.
If you don't do that you wither and die.
Nothing a Union can do to stop all its members from losing their job if that happens.
GM and Ford right now and in the middle of the biggest restructuring in history to try and save the US auto industry. The reason it is in trouble is not shoddy product or greedy managment, it is the high cost base of a totally unionized workforce.
All the unions are doing is protecting their oldest workers. They screw young guys whenever they have to cut overtime, hours, jobs etc.
If I was under 30 I would say **** all unions. They are doing nothing for you.
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Originally posted by SOB
Why hello there. I am a state employee. My job is a union job. Should I be fortunate enough to work for the state until I retire, I will be quite financially comfortable. I could introduce you to any one of a number of folks who have been employed with the state for longer than I have that are financially comfortable, but I don't know any of them that frequent this particular BBS.
you work at the DMV? was that you taking my picture the last time? :)
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Yeah, sorry for snapping the picture while you were picking your nose!
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Originally posted by Habu
Actually Unions do nothing to protect workers.
The only thing that protects workers is staying ahead of the competition. If you do that you need more workers and the ones you have prosper.
If you don't do that you wither and die.
Nothing a Union can do to stop all its members from losing their job if that happens.
GM and Ford right now and in the middle of the biggest restructuring in history to try and save the US auto industry. The reason it is in trouble is not shoddy product or greedy managment, it is the high cost base of a totally unionized workforce.
All the unions are doing is protecting their oldest workers. They screw young guys whenever they have to cut overtime, hours, jobs etc.
If I was under 30 I would say **** all unions. They are doing nothing for you.
Yup what he said. When the market becomes an "employee's market" like it was in 2000 unions become irrelevent.