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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Wofat on December 20, 2005, 08:25:03 PM
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Please consider the very perk planes...
Fighers: Donier Arrow, Bearcat and Black Widow.
Bombers: B-29 and HE-111 (not a perk plane)
Thanks,
ME
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Bearcat unlikely as she missed WWII (otherwise I'd want an F2G!!!).
P-61 would be cool, but would there really be a point with no night fighter ops? Unless HTC decided to add that...
Not as familiar with German aircraft so can't say much about the Dornier, although the 111 would be a good add.
*Hits the deck to avoid the 29 flamers*
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most people have been begging for the HE-111 for as long as i can remember.
B-29 cant happen because furball will be all like "OMFG NOOKIES!!! ONE ONE ONE!!!"
bearcat wasnt in ww2. why not add the f86 then? nah.
arrow was used in VERY limited numbers.
i am biased to using the black widow because my grandfather flew in them.
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The p-61 could be used as an attacker like the 110, and the DO-335 would be a very nice addition, it was used in limited roles yes, 1 training squad and two operational squads. but hey they added the Spit 16 a very advanced fighter for this game so why not both of these? The other thing I would to see and we used to do this in air warrior all the time, is to allow you to accept invitations for ALL you gunner seats in a bomber or attacker. We used to fill up a B-17 or even a B-25 and go have fun, I thought this game was about fun not just winning. Thanks for listening to me ramble on.
Calde
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Spit XVI is not a very advanced fighter. It is not even as advanced as the Spit VIII. It is just a Spit LF.IX with a clipped "e" wing. You could find Spits 99% as effective in 1943. The Do335 (no confirmed usuage) is not remotely comparable to the Spit XVI.
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If you do your homework ;) you will find that 3 squadrons were operational, 1 training and 2 operational, Somewhere I have a pic of a distant relative climbing out of one. The Spit 16 was very late intering the war and made little impact. All I'm saying is thier is no rime or reason to what planes they add. If they added the spit 16 and 109k why not add the P-61 and DO-335 :D . Personally I enjoy flying the Spit 16 in the attacker role.
Happy flying
CalDe
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Originally posted by CalDe1
If you do your homework ;) you will find that 3 squadrons were operational, 1 training and 2 operational, Somewhere I have a pic of a distant relative climbing out of one. The Spit 16 was very late intering the war and made little impact. All I'm saying is thier is no rime or reason to what planes they add. If they added the spit 16 and 109k why not add the P-61 and DO-335 :D . Personally I enjoy flying the Spit 16 in the attacker role.
Happy flying
CalDe
Erm, I suspect you have mistaken mark numbers or are confusing bubble top Spit XVIs with Spit XVIs in general. The Spit XVI (which as I stated earlier was only given a mark number separate from the Mk IX due to it's American engine, being in all other ways an LF.Mk IXe) entered service in July, 1944 and more than 1000 were built.
The bubble top Mk XVI (which we do not have in AH) entered service in March, 1945.
To put it another way:
Spitfire LF.Mk IXe = Spitfire LF.Mk XVIe
Spitfire LF.Mk XVIe = Spitfire LF.Mk IXe
They are the same aircraft. So when you total the numbers, if you want to be accurate, you need to include all the Spitfire LF.Mk IXs in the same list, and the Spitfire LF.Mk IX entered service in March, 1943. As you can see the Spitfire LF.Mk XVI is not an advanced fighter. The Spitfire Mk VIII was significantly more refined than the Mk XVI and it also entered service in 1943.
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the Do-335 was used in combat. P-51 pilots mentioned durring the end of the war mentioned "large, strange-looking aircraft" that they couldn't catch at any altitude.
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
the Do-335 was used in combat. P-51 pilots mentioned durring the end of the war mentioned "large, strange-looking aircraft" that they couldn't catch at any altitude.
That does not mean it was in "combat". Remember, the German's couldn't do test flights without prototypes technically being "in combat". It would hardly be fair to the Allies to use that as a metric.
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Frankly I'd like to see the Arrow just because the luftwaffe guys need something to even the playing field a bit. I'd vote yes on the Do-335 just to give us some more variety.
EagleDNY
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Karnak whether it's fair or not, it's one of HTC's criteria :P
I don't know if I'd ever want to see it. Sure it's impressive and all but with the scant information on how it flew, it would probably end up flying worse than the Ta152 we have now.
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
the Do-335 was used in combat. P-51 pilots mentioned durring the end of the war mentioned "large, strange-looking aircraft" that they couldn't catch at any altitude.
BS
one of engineer was moving plane from one airfield to another and was cough by Clostermann flying Tempest
Unarmed plane runn , end of story
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Originally posted by Krusty
Karnak whether it's fair or not, it's one of HTC's criteria :P
I don't know if I'd ever want to see it. Sure it's impressive and all but with the scant information on how it flew, it would probably end up flying worse than the Ta152 we have now.
Krusty,
That is less combat than the Meteor saw, and Luftwaffe fans universally say the Meteor has no place in a WWII sim. The Meteor actually fired it's guns in anger and engaged Fw190s in combat, though without result. If the Meteor doesn't cut it because ground targets don't count and unmanned missles don't count and combat without loss inflicted or suffered doesn't count then a Do335 running away most definately doesn't count.
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Look Guys, the point I was trying to make was, not to add any planes that would offset the balance but to add a few that actually saw combat, the DO-335 flew on the eastern front , well closer to it than the allies, yes it was a late comer no argument there, the P-61 also was a late comer but they both had thier place. They both did thier jobs and neither were notorious for anything. They were pretty boring actually, but thats not the point. Why don't we have the B-25 in the game? it is a sweet ride, it saw lots of action. Both planes would be very nice to fly. I will concede to Spit point of matter as I can't find my notes.
CalDe
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How would it, if added, redress the balance? In the MA it would be perked and in ToD or the CT it would never see use. That doesn't address the balance at all.
A better way to redress the balance is to figure out why Luftwaffe fighters don't match their reported ease of use and provide the data to get them fixed.
Another method would be to get ammo belts that tracked individual round types, eg, tracer HEI, HE, HE, minen, tracer HEI, HE, HE, minen, ect, ect instead of just a generic average of them.
That would be a way to address the imbalance without resorting to "Wonderwaffe" oddballs.
Another way would be to advocate for the addtion of Russian planes other than their top dogs. The Russians are missing huge numbers of aircraft, but of the top Russian fighters only the Yak-3 is missing. I-16, LaGG-3, MiG-1, Yak-1, Yak-7 and a huge variety of bombers.
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F2A-3 (Brewster Buffalo)
He-111
Ju-52
P-39
B-25 (with pera frags)
190A4 & 190A6 (take out the 190A5)
Pe-2
Ki-43
Lag-3
Mig
G4M
Once the early - mid war plane set is finnished then the B29 should be made but with no nooks asking for that is stupid. They should be perks but only for about 30-40 perks each.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Krusty,
That is less combat than the Meteor saw, and Luftwaffe fans universally say the Meteor has no place in a WWII sim. The Meteor actually fired it's guns in anger and engaged Fw190s in combat, though without result. If the Meteor doesn't cut it because ground targets don't count and unmanned missles don't count and combat without loss inflicted or suffered doesn't count then a Do335 running away most definately doesn't count.
I'd have to agree. I believe another one of HTC's prerequisites is that it had to be present in unit strength or squadron or group or something strength. A single test plane doesn't cut the mustard, so to speak.
EDIT: TK I say leave the A5 in and add the A3, we don't need an A6 or an A4, but the A3 would be sweet for early war channel setups.
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Work on the Do 335 progressed slowley through the latter years of the war, and by VE Day, only 60 had been built, and only 20 had seen any combat. They were very heavily armed, and ammuniton was carried in large numbers in proportion to the guns used.
Type: Single Seat day fighter and Twin Seat night fighter
Engines: Two Daimler Benz 1,900hp inlines
Armament: One 30-mm and two 15-mm cannon
Capable of a maximum speed of 474 mph at 21,325 ft with MW 50 boost, or 426 mph without boost, and able to climb to 26,250 ft in only 14.5 minutes, the Do335A-1 could easily outpace any Allied fighters it encountered. It could also carry a bomb load of 1100 lb for 900 miles
If you want I can provide the code and tail numbers of the aircraft that flew in squadrons. along with the paint schemes used.
CalDe
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Almost forgot the Important stuff:
Dornier Do 335A-1 Specification
Type: Single-seat fighter-bomber
Powerplant: Two Daimler-Benz DB603E-1 12-cylinder inverted-vee liquid cooled engines in push-pull arrangement - each rated at 1,800 hp for take-off.
Armament: One 30 mm MK103 cannon with 70 rounds, firing through the front propeller hub, and two 15 mm MG151/15 cannon with 200 r.p.g. above the nose, plus one 1,102 lb (500 kg) bomb or two 551 lb (250 kg) bombs internally and 551 lb (250 kg) bombs on underwing racks.
Performance: Max speed 474 mph (763 km/h) at 21, 325 ft (6,500 m); Max cruising speed 426 mph (685 km/h) at 23,360 ft (7,100 m); Economical cruising speed 281 mph (552 km/h) at 19,685 ft (6000 m); Range on internal fuel at max continuous power 867 miles (1400 km), at economical cruise power 1,280 miles (2050 km); Time to 3,280 ft (1000 m) 55 sec, to 26,245 ft (8000 m) 14.5 min; Service ceiling 37,400 ft (11,400 m).
Weights: Empty equipped 16,005 lb (7,260 kg); Normal loaded 21,165 lb (9,600 kg).
Dimensions: Span 45 ft 3.3 in (13.8 m); Length 45 ft 5.25 in (13.85 m); Height 16 ft 4.8 in (5.0 m): Wing area 414.411 sq ft (38.5 sq m).
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Grumman F3F-4
Curtiss SBC-4 Helldiver
Polikarpov I-15 Rata
Polikarpov I-153 Chita
Gloster Sea Gladiator
Mitsubishi A5M CLAUDE
Heinkel HE-51
Boeing P-26 Peashooter
:aok
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Curtiss P-36 Hawk
Mitsubishi G3M "Nell"
Douglass TBD Devastator
Vought SB2U Vindicator
I can't think of its designation, but the IJA predecessor to the Oscar. "Nick," I think it was.
And because I want her period, but ALSO because she'd be needed for mid-1943 island hopping in TOD and scenarios in general:
F4U-1A Corsair (the ones that used the R-2800-8(W) as in the C/D Hogs) :D
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Originally posted by Krusty
I'd have to agree. I believe another one of HTC's prerequisites is that it had to be present in unit strength or squadron or group or something strength. A single test plane doesn't cut the mustard, so to speak.
EDIT: TK I say leave the A5 in and add the A3, we don't need an A6 or an A4, but the A3 would be sweet for early war channel setups.
We already have the Fw-190A-3 and it's called the Fw-190A-5. Fw-190A-5 flies like an A3 and in facts it's 300 lbs lighter than A3:D
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CalDe1, I'd be interested to see what info you have (and where it's from) but I find the 15mm MG151s highly suspect. They were outmoded early on, in '41 or so, and most after that were MG151/20s with 20mm ammunition.
I'd be very much surprised if they "took a step back" and put in obsolete guns.
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P-38H
P-38M
P-38J-25-L0
=)
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Krusty
CalDe1, I'd be interested to see what info you have (and where it's from) but I find the 15mm MG151s highly suspect. They were outmoded early on, in '41 or so, and most after that were MG151/20s with 20mm ammunition.
I'd be very much surprised if they "took a step back" and put in obsolete guns.
Mg 151/15 had nice flat trajectory and high muzle velocity.was not a bad gun. It had similar balistics with the Mk-103.;)
Even Ta 152C had two arming variants: 4xMG 151/20+1xMk-108 or 4xMG151/15+1xMk103.
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Are you sure about that? The 15mm was seen to be not sufficiently powerful enough,which is why the 20mm replaced it.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
P-38H
P-38M
P-38J-25-L0
=)
ack-ack
Yes on P-38H, no on the rest:p
Now my list
P-38H
Fw-190A-4 and A-6
Remove the 190A-5
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Originally posted by Krusty
Are you sure about that? The 15mm was seen to be not sufficiently powerful enough,which is why the 20mm replaced it.
Krusty the Do-335 had 2x Mg151/15s in the cowl like the 190s and a big boy Mk103 in the Hub like the 109K4 has the Mk108 in thier hub. Now the Mk 108 would be nice to see in the game but the Do-335 should be made way after the B29 and even the Meteor. Hell atleast the meteors shot down noskill divebombing dweebs.
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Here's some of the data, I'm trying to put the rest of it together, note the armament, it stays standard unless otherwise noted.
Calde
Oh the operational squadrons will be listed in a bit
Type: Single-seat fighter-bomber
Powerplant: Two Daimler-Benz DB603E-1 12-cylinder inverted-vee liquid cooled engines in push-pull arrangement – each rated at 1,800 hp for take-off.
Armament: One 30 mm MK103 cannon with 70 rounds, firing through the front propeller hub, and two 15 mm MG151/15 cannon with 200 r.p.g. above the nose, plus one 1,102 lb (500 kg) bomb or two 551 lb (250 kg) bombs internally and 551 lb (250 kg) bombs on underwing racks.
Performance: Max speed 474 mph (763 km/h) at 21, 325 ft (6,500 m); Max cruising speed 426 mph (685 km/h) at 23,360 ft (7,100 m); Economical cruising speed 281 mph (552 km/h) at 19,685 ft (6000 m); Range on internal fuel at max continuous power 867 miles (1400 km), at economical cruise power 1,280 miles (2050 km); Time to 3,280 ft (1000 m) 55 sec, to 26,245 ft (8000 m) 14.5 min; Service ceiling 37,400 ft (11,400 m).
Weights: Empty equipped 16,005 lb (7,260 kg); Normal loaded 21,165 lb (9,600 kg).
Dimensions: Span 45 ft 3.3 in (13.8 m); Length 45 ft 5.25 in (13.85 m); Height 16 ft 4.8 in (5.0 m): Wing area 414.411 sq ft (38.5 sq m).
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Table I: Do335V series prototypes (14 aircraft built
at Friedrichshafen, mid-1943 to mid-1944, and tested at Mengen).
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes
Do335V-1 CP+UA 230001 1st prototype. DB603A-1 engines. FF 28.10.43
Do335V-2 CP+UB 230002 to Rechlin, rear engine caught fire, w/o 15.04.44
Do335V-3 CP+UC/T9+ZH 230003 A-4 prototype, to Ob.d.L.
Do335V-4 CP+UD 230004 Do435 prototype, not completed
Do335V-5 CP+UE 230005 1st with armament fitted, A-2 engines
Do335V-6 CP+UF 230006 Dornier development a/c, hit by bomb
Do335V-7 CP+UG 230007 Junkers Jumo 213A & E testbed, Dessau
Do335V-8 CP+UH 230008 Daimler-Benz DB603E-1 testbed, Stuttgart
Do335V-9 CP+UI/V9 230009 A-0 prototype, to Rechlin May 1944
Do335V-10 CP+UK 230010 A-6 prototype night fighter with SN-2 radar
Do335V-11 CP+UL/11 230011 A-10 prototype trainer
Do335V-12 CP+UM 230012 A-12 prototype trainer
Do335V-13 RP+UA/13 230013 B-1 prototype, to France for tests
Do335V-14 RP+UB/14 230014 B-2 prototype, destroyed
Table II: Do335A-0 preproduction batch (10 aircraft built at
Oberpfaffenhofen July-October 1944. One example converted to A-4 standard.
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes
Do335A-0 VG+PG/101 240101 DB603A-2 engines, at Rechlin July 1944
Do335A-0 VG+PH/102 240102 sole survivor, to USAAF as FE 1012, now at NASM
Do335A-0 VG+PI/103 240103 to Ob.d.L. late July 1944
Do335A-0 VG+IJ/104 240104 to Erkdo 335 Sept 1944
Do335A-0 VG+IK/105 240105 to Erkdo 335 captured by US at Lechfeld April 1945
Do335A-0 VG+PL/106 240106 to Erkdo 335
Do335A-0 VG+PM/107 240107 to Erkdo 335
Do335A-0 VG+PN/108 240108 to Erkdo 335
Do335A-0 VG+PO/109 240109 to Erkdo 335
Do335A-0 VG+PP/110 240110 to Erkdo 335 October 1944
Table III: Do335A-1 production batch (11 aircraft built at Oberpfaffenhofen,
plus 9 aircraft partially assembled, November – April 1945).
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes
Do335A-1 113 240113 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240161 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240162 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240163 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240164 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240165 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240166 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240167 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240168 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240169 Captured by US
Do335A-1 — 240170 Captured by US
Do335A-1 01 240301 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 02 240302 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 03 240303 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 04 240304 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 05 240305 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 06 240306 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 07 240307 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 08 240308 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-1 09 240309 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-2 — — Project only
Do335A-3 — — Project only
Table IV: Do335A-4 (10 aircraft scheduled January – February 1945;
only four partially assembled at Oberpfaffenhofen).
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes
Do335A-4 10 240310 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-4 11 240311 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-4 12 240312 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-4 13 240313 Partly assembled; captured by US
Do335A-6: none assembled, Heinkel Vienna factory bombed out.
Table V: Do335A-10 (aircraft built at Oberpfaffenhofen).
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes
Do335A-10 111 240111 Flew late Nov 1944; captured by US at Oberpf.
Do335A-10 — 240114 Not completed
Table VI: Do335A-12 (two aircraft built at Oberpfaffenhofen,
plus 2 aircraft partially assembled).
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes
Do335A-12 112 240112 Air Ministry 225, to RAE, w/o 18 Jan 1946
Do335A-12 121 240121 to England, w/o 13 Dec 1945
Do335A-12 122 240122 Not completed, scrapped by US
Do335A-12 — — Partly assembled
Table VII: Do335B series prototypes. (six aircraft partially
assembled at Oberpfaffenhofen).
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes
Do335B-2 RP+UB 14/18 240118 B-2 replacement proto, to France with CEV until 4.6.48
Do335V-15 RP+UC 15/19 240119 B-1 2nd prototype to Lwe February 1945
Do335V-16 RP+UD 16/20 240120 B-2 2nd prototype night fighter with FuG 218
Do335V-17 RP+UE 17/16 240116 B-6 prototype to France Autumn 1945
Do335V-18 RP+UF 18/17 240117 B-6 2nd prototype night fighter to Lwe February 1945
Do335V-19 RP+UG 19/15 240115 B-3 prototype; not completed
Do335V-20 — — B-7 prototype; not completed
Do335V-21 — — B-8 prototype; not completed
Do335V-22 — — B-8 2nd prototype; not completed
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Originally posted by 1K3
Yes on P-38H, no on the rest:p
Now my list
P-38H
Fw-190A-4 and A-6
Remove the 190A-5
Unfortunately, Department of Fish and Game has ruled that you are smaller than the limit allowed for trolling. As such, I am forced to through you back until you get a little bigger.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
P-38H
P-38M
P-38J-25-L0
=)
ack-ack
Better yet, we already HAVE a P-38J-25-Lo, because the P-38L-5-Lo we have has the P-38J series engine. Give us a REAL P-38L-5-Lo with -30 Allison engines and the true top speed of over 435MPH, and make our current P-38L-5-Lo the P-38J-25-Lo. And the P-38H-5-Lo, and P-38M. Although the M will likely never even see a single sortie, except by some harcore nutjob.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Better yet, we already HAVE a P-38J-25-Lo, because the P-38L-5-Lo we have has the P-38J series engine. Give us a REAL P-38L-5-Lo with -30 Allison engines and the true top speed of over 435MPH, and make our current P-38L-5-Lo the P-38J-25-Lo. And the P-38H-5-Lo, and P-38M. Although the M will likely never even see a single sortie, except by some harcore nutjob.
:rofl :aok
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I'd fly the M.
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Like he said....nutjob :)
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Originally posted by Murdr
Like he said....nutjob :)
Yep. And I hate him too. Can't score a damned kill if he's in the same sector with me. Nothing but assists if I can survive long enough to get those.
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how bout XP-38?
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Originally posted by killnu
how bout XP-38?
P38E!
First 38 to score in WW2. Also the combat version flown first by the 54th FS up in the Aleutians. No complaints about the cold or anything from those guys too. And they had reason to complain :)
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but i want the 23mm :D
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CalDe, all of those numbers are prototypes and captured, do you have any numbers that just show production, or delivered, or any aircraft that were sent to units?
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There are all lot off planes that should be in AH2.
Some of them are:
-Fokker g-1
-Fokker d-21
-Junkers 52
-Heinkel 111
-Donier 335 "Pfeil"
-Mig-3
-Lagg-3
-Polikarpov I-16 "Ratta"
-Fiat g-50
-PZL-P-11 (polish fighterplane)
-Dewointine D-520
-Savoia Marchetti SM 79 "Sparviero" (italian bomber)
-Mitsubishi J2M3 "Raiden"
-Ki-44 "Shoki"
-TB-3 (russian bomber)
-Horten/Gotha 229
are that enough planes ;)
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Originally posted by Wick
There are all lot off planes that should be in AH2.
Some of them are:
-Fokker g-1
-Fokker d-21
-Junkers 52
-Heinkel 111
-Donier 335 "Pfeil" NO
-Mig-3
-Lagg-3
-Polikarpov I-16 "Ratta"
-Fiat g-50
-PZL-P-11 (polish fighterplane) NO
-Dewointine D-520
-Savoia Marchetti SM 79 "Sparviero" (italian bomber)
-Mitsubishi J2M3 "Raiden" NO
-Ki-44 "Shoki"
-TB-3 (russian bomber)
-Horten/Gotha 229 NO
are that enough planes ;)
and son, when you use country names use KAPITAL lettter as first
Its Polish Fighter , Italian Fighter, you handsomehunk
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ramzey,
Why "No" to the J2M3 Raiden? It saw pretty decent usage. Perhaps you were mistaking it for the J7W1 Shiden?
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I'd rather seen the Ki-100 than the raiden. From what I've read Japanese pilots put up with the Raiden because they needed planes to intercept the B-29 raids, but they didn't really like the plane that much. As I remember there were many quality control / maintenance issues to deal with, and the plane didn't handle very well (especially compared to the rides they were used to).
EagleDNY
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The J2M3 entered service much earlier and in larger numbers than the Ki-100. It had actually left service and was brought back in to face the B-29s.
Americans who flew it post war praised its handling. It just didn't have the insanely light wingloading that the Japanese pilots in the mid-war were used to. Going from an A6M3 or A6M5 to a J2M3 would be quite a shock.
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Why not the B-29?
Why was it not included in this game? Many of the aircraft in this game have different copies? Is not one model of a Spit or 109 enough? The B-29 could be limited to a few bases just like the 163 is.
How about an answer, (I'll just ignore the strange answers). Like the B-25, there is the B-26, Mossie, and others that do the same thing, but it is NOT a B-25. Is it just to hard to design into the game?
???
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Originally posted by Phaser11
Is not one model of a Spit or 109 enough?
Is that rhetorical, or do you actually not understand why both the Spit and Bf109 need to have a wide range of models in the game?
B-29A should be added eventually, but the ammount of work it will take for the artists to do it is almost certainly more than all of the Bf109s and all of she Spitfires took combined.
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Originally posted by ramzey
and son, when you use country names use KAPITAL lettter as first
Its Polish Fighter , Italian Fighter, you handsomehunk
:rofl Wow, the guys makes his very first post and you spank him back into the corner. Have a bad Christmas ramzey?:D
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i heard the J2M3 is the fastest Japanese plane at ground level, is that true?
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A plane thread without the Brewster? Unheard of! :)
(http://hkkk.fi/~yrjola/war/faf/brewster.gif)
Brewster Model 239, please.
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is that a LW stolen lala???????? hehe :lol
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Originally posted by 007Rusty
is that a LW stolen lala???????? hehe :lol
No, it is a Brewster 239 in Finnish service, bought from the USA.
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thats does not change thing, its pice of crap, same as PZL P11 for MA or TOD
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Originally posted by ramzey
thats does not change thing, its pice of crap, same as PZL P11 for MA or TOD
But we still need it in AH. It might be slow and weakly armed, but hey, we have the Hurri1 already.
Or if we don't actually need it, I still do want it in AH... ;)
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just fly F4F
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Just saw the stats on a J2M3...Wow!
Cannot turn but looks fun. Thanks for posting.
-W
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i have an idea lets put a Canadian plane in AH... yes yes yes i know what u r thinking.... what is he mad!??!! Canadians didnt have any planes!!! but infact we did canada had the 2nd best bomber of WWII, we had the Halifax heavy bomber... and if u dont belive me look @ this http://www.constable.ca/halifax.htm, btw the stats r there 2
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D4Y Judy Judy Judy.
Jus' sayin'
(http://www.j-aircraft.com/walk/rod_larson/D4Y-AboveFront-1.jpg)
-Sik
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(http://www.btinternet.com/~lee_mail/PBY-4.jpg)
Crew 7-9
First flight 1935
Entered service 1936
Manufacturer Consolidated
Dimensions (PBY-5A)
Length 63 ft 10 in 19.5 m
Wingspan 104 ft 0 in 34.7 m
Height 20 ft 2 in 16.15 m
Wing area ft² m²
Weights
Empty 20,910 lb 9,485 kg
Maximum 35,420 lb 16,099 kg
Powerplant
Engines Two Pratt & Whitney R-1830-92 Twin Wasp radial piston engines
Power (each) 1200 hp 895 kW
Performance (PBY-5A)
Maximum speed 179 mph 288 km/h
Range 2545 miles 4096 km
Service ceiling 14,700 ft 4480 m
Rate of climb 690 ft/min 210 m/min
Avionics
Avionics
Armament
Guns 2 x 30 cal (7.62 mm) machine guns in nose; 1 x 50 cal (12.7 mm) machine gun in each waist blister
Bombs 4000 lb (1800 kg) of bombs or depth charges
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Originally posted by Nemeth
i have an idea lets put a Canadian plane in AH... yes yes yes i know what u r thinking.... what is he mad!??!! Canadians didnt have any planes!!! but infact we did canada had the 2nd best bomber of WWII, we had the Halifax heavy bomber... and if u dont belive me look @ this http://www.constable.ca/halifax.htm, btw the stats r there 2
Lol i think the Canadicans(I know its Canadians)stole a lancaster model and made that...
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The Halifax was a British bomber built to the same specification as the Lancaster was, P.13/36. Like the Lancaster it ended up with four engines instead of the two overly complex engines specified in P.13/36. Unlike the Lancaster the Halifax's designers realized the two engine scheme was not going to work and switched to four engines before it was built. The Lancaster had to suffer through the dreadful Manchester phase before the excellent Lancaster could emerge.
Like some other British aircraft, the Mosquito for example, it was also built in Canada.
The Halifax has very similar, but slightly inferior, performance to the Lancaster. It filled the same rolls at the same times. In that consideration it would bring little to AH while absorbing a disproportianate amount of time for the artists to make it.
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For the actual Axis vs. Allies arena
(http://www.airwar.ru/transfer/grishan///camms/ar/317/pics/1_61.jpg)
and
(http://www.airwar.ru/transfer/grishan///camms/ar/377/pics/1_12.jpg)
and
(http://www.airwar.ru/transfer/grishan///camms/ar/122/pics/78_12.jpg)