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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SlapShot on December 21, 2005, 12:11:22 PM
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Has anyone ever purposely flown into someone's tail (from the 6 position) inorder to cause damage to the other plane ? ... if so ... did you survive ?
I was accused of that last night along with being called a "cheater" at the same time.
Oh ... BTW ... great fights between A73 and A74 last night. Best round of fighting in a LONG time ... till OUR side leveled their FHs ... :cry
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I tried to ram the 5th Goon I encountered in an attack...had killed the first 4 and two 51's.
I rammed the tail of the goon only to go down in a heap, with him suffering no damage.
It was a desperation move, and failed.
I'd do it again. :)
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Have I ever run into someone's 6? Yes. Deliberately? No. But same result. It always results in damage to you, not to them. Damage results to the person who sees the collision on their FE. Kamakazi attacks dont work.
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I ram when im out of ammo sometimes. MOST of the time I die, sometimes we both die, other times I am lucky and win the ram.
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Next time I suggest:
(this happened to me) diving under the enemy plane and pulling up just in front of them sharply, will most likely send them plummeting (as it did me) and leave you unscathed (as it did my rammer).
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Get in front of them real fast and cut throttle, side slip and then have them ram YOU. Note you'll probably go down but take them with you.
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I was out of ammo when i rammed a knight buff dropping on a bish base at fightertown on the donut map.i died he lived.i am a rook
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"i am a rook" lol what does that have to do with anything? :lol
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Once about 3 years ago I was out of ammo and tried to ram a Lanc, i dont remember causing any damage but I lost a wing.
Another time I saw a formation of Ju88's low and dove on them with a 109-G10, I dove from about 4-5k lining up on the center of the lead plane. I got a valuable lesson in compression as I was unable to pull out and slammed right in the rear of the Ju88, you would have thought that plane was made of concret. I fluttered down wingless and smoking wreak while the Ju88 no damage.
And just last night I got too close to a B-24 and flew right throught the fusalage from side to side. Heard all kinds of damage noise, only lost an airleon, and as far as I know, no damage to the B-24.
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If I run out of ammo and REALLY want to kill the guy, I'll try to fly underneath and pull up really hard, and hope he gets a collision on HIS fm :p Only done it a couple times, and lost pieces both times. Got the kills tho :aok
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Morph the only reason i rammed the nit buff dropping on a bish base was because it was on fightertown.:D
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I usually only ram the radio towers when Im strafing town :(
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I've accidentally gone up the tail-pipe of planes, usually they see me at the last second and chop throttle to zero just as I'm about to open fire. As far as I know I am the only one that took damage in every instance. I'm pretty sure I died each time, I guess the tail of a plane thru your skull is unhealthy, go figure. :huh
Zazen
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Interesting ...
I didn't really ram into his 6 ... I had around 50 20mm left in my Hurri IIC ... reversed him and sliced his wing off.
He said that I didn't have any ammo left (how in hells bells he knew this) and because of that, I rammed him for the kill.
So from what I am seeing, if one can ram from the 6 position, chances are your not going to fly away from it ... which I merrily did after he made a BIG splash in the ocean ... :rofl
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Has anyone ever purposely flown into someone's tail (from the 6 position) inorder to cause damage to the other plane ? ... if so ... did you survive ?
I was accused of that last night along with being called a "cheater" at the same time.
Oh ... BTW ... great fights between A73 and A74 last night. Best round of fighting in a LONG time ... till OUR side leveled their FHs ... :cry
Did it one time on purpose. I was out of ammo and right up close. Had visions of that Marine pilot who did it in his F4U and survived.
I wrecked myself.....not that it isn't what I normally do anyhow :)
Needless to say I went down. Don't believe the other guy did.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/F4Chop.jpg)
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I like trees ......I smack into them.......... alot :rofl
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Wow, just goes to show that hog pilots aren't the brightest crayons. :D
I have intentionally caused collisions on a few occasions, but only once have I actually killed a plane from ramming from behind (snicker); was in an La7 hunting goons, got several, ran out of ammo, and found one more, doing what I suppose goons consider "running". Ran him down, and dove at his tail. Cut my wing off, and I suppose the larger parts of my plane flew through his nose on his FE. He went down in chunks, and I dropped right behind him.
Effective in that particular case, but it sucks to get killed at alt by a plane with no armament.
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Apparently the Russian pilots did more then their share. I remembered something I'd read when I was a kid and dug out the book and scanned it for ya :)
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/RammingSpeed.jpg)
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See Rule #7
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:eek:
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Yes me and somebody else (maybe jish).
Went after set of buffs.. Pumped all our ammo into um still didn't die:( Only 1 left he had lots of damage though.
I rammed him (well scraped my wing on his and he died I didn't =)
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yup been out of ammo many times locked up on some guys 6 and tried to ram him. most of the time I cant hit him. the times I have hit a fighter I alone have gone down. funny when I tried to hit um I cant. but god help me if I am closing fast and trying to miss one. several time I have rammed a bomber when bingo and killed him and me at the same time.
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I have 'induced' a ram a few times. The timing can be a bit iffy. Never from the other guy's 6 though.
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See Rule #7
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Originally posted by Morpheus
See Rule #7
Peep this:
"At the outbreak of the World War II, on September 1, 1939, the Polish Air Force had 109 PZL P.11c and 20 P.11a (and 30 P.7a) in combat units. Further 43 P.11c were in reserve or undergoing repairs. Only a third of P.11c were armed with 4 machineguns, the rest had only 2, even fewer had a radio. P.11 were used in 12 squadrons, each with 10 aircraft (two squadrons constituted a group, in Polish: dywizjon). Two groups - 4 squadrons - were in the Pursuit Brigade deployed around Warsaw, the rest were assigned to Armies. All of them took part in the Polish September Campaign. Apart from combat units, several P.11, including a prototype P.11g, were used in units improvised at air bases.
By September 1, the fighter squadrons had been deployed to remote airfields, so they were not bombed by the Germans. During the campaign, P.11 fought against more modern German bombers and fighters. Not only were the German Bf 109 and Bf 110 faster and better armed, but also most German bombers were faster than P.11c as well. Since the planes were intensively used, their maximum speed was still lower than the theoretical 375 km/h. P.11a were in an even worse situation.
On the other hand, Polish planes had better maneouvreability and because of its design it had much better vision, from the cockpit, than the German planes. P.11 had a strong construction and also could operate from short fields, even rough ones. It was also of a very durable construction and could dive at up to 600 km/h without risk of the wings falling apart. Theoretically the only limit in maneouvres was the pilots ability to sustain high G forces. Despite the German superiority, P.11 managed to shoot down a considerable number of German aircraft, including fighters, but suffered heavy losses as well. The exact numbers are not fully verified, but it appears that at least one German plane shot down for each P.11 lost (a figure of 141 German planes is often given as compared with 118 planes lost).
The first aircraft shot down in World War II, on September 1 at dawn, was a PZL P.11c of Capt. Mieczysław Medwecki shot down by a German Ju 87. The first Allied air victory was achieved 20 minutes later by Medwecki's wingman, Wladyslaw Gnys who shot down two Dornier Do 17E with his P.11c. It was also the first airplane to successfully ram an enemy plane in WWII.
(http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/fot/fot276.jpg)
Karaya
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I've died (like instant tower died) everytime I've flown up someones tail pipe. Now I wonder if its a matter of tracking angle off close to their 6. They turn into you. Now even if they don't see you in one of thier side back views (they're not looking back), I think they would still be penalized for the collision. Maybe its amatter of the person not being in the view where the collision is. I'd think it would work like this. If I'm flying into a players tail pipe and switched to another view, I'd bet I'd still get the collision death. It seems that would work like that for any view. The guy accusing you of the ram just didn't see the collision.
I'd like to test this. Fly in front of someone and chop throttle to see if I die from the collision.
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BTW: After all these collision threads. It does mater in any way which way you are looking.
Edit:
Should read:
It does NOT mater in any way which way you are looking.
HiTech
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yup been out of ammo many times locked up on some guys 6 and tried to ram him. most of the time I cant hit him. the times I have hit a fighter I alone have gone down. funny when I tried to hit um I cant. but god help me if I am closing fast and trying to miss one. several time I have rammed a bomber when bingo and killed him and me at the same time.
LOLH So true! I haven't seen much rhyme or reason to the collision model except that no matter what I usually die lol.
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Originally posted by hitech
BTW: After all these collision threads. It does mater in any way which way you are looking.
HiTech
Huh ? ... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by hitech
BTW: After all these collision threads. It does mater in any way which way you are looking.
HiTech
what if you close your eyes?
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I pretty sure that was meant to be "it *doesn't* matter which way they're looking."
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Originally posted by Furball
what if you close your eyes?
I always close my eyes....less scary that way. :)
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I usually squint reeeely hard too.
Looks better in the photograph..
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I have no monitor.
I fly by sense of smell!
Regards
Sun
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Originally posted by Morpheus
See Rule #7
lol wth?
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nope