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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: TalonX on December 21, 2005, 01:40:45 PM
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Is there really no recourse for foul language on Range besides squelching? No way to just terminate the offender.
I often have kids around watching me play (or taking the controls at times). Last night we had someone using foul language. When asked to curb the use, he went on a five minute rampage just streaming every dirty word he ever heard. Quite mature, indeed.
I don't believe I should have to squelch range. If we submit the film, will action be taken?
Thanks.
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Originally posted by TalonX
Is there really no recourse for foul language on Range besides squelching? No way to just terminate the offender.
I often have kids around watching me play (or taking the controls at times). Last night we had someone using foul language. When asked to curb the use, he went on a five minute rampage just streaming every dirty word he ever heard. Quite mature, indeed.
I don't believe I should have to squelch range. If we submit the film, will action be taken?
Thanks.
Right click the player from the roster. There are two options to report someone. You can report them for voice or text. That flags the person with a date and time stamp for review by HTC. Appropriate action will then be taken if deemed necessary.
Zazen
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I wish I had known that. This was over the top.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by TalonX
I wish I had known that. This was over the top.
Thanks.
No problemo, happy to help.
Zazen
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Maybe it was the same guy on the other night. He was shot down by a B26 from behind:confused: Then he upped and foully abused all two of us there for not giving him check six. How he failed to notice the a bomber formation overhead I'll never know. I laughed myself sick. But his language was way over the top. I actually considered reporting him but couldn't remember how. Next time I will.
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Its sad when you hear adults using the F word. Little kids have an excuse, they don't know any better, but it pisses me off to hear some 40 year old player rant like a total idiot on vox over a pc game.
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Film this player, and submit it to HTC. Nothing happens when you report them. I've reported the same core group of idiots probably hundreds of times, and they're still here, spewing their same crap.
It does suck, but I don't expect a lot from certain people, and wear headphones, so their idiocy doesn't offend anyone who might be near enough to hear.
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That´s the advantage of being a non-english speaker: if i don´t listen very well, i do not understand anything in the voice channel. So one one can offend me with bad language, as i do tend to put my focus on flying. (Often to not much avail) :-)
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Originally posted by Lusche
That´s the advantage of being a non-english speaker: if i don´t listen very well, i do not understand anything in the voice channel. So one one can offend me with bad language, as i do tend to put my focus on flying. (Often to not much avail) :-)
Ja, das ist gut.
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If your not using headphones and the little ones hear bad words then whos really to blame?
Squelch or headphones and stop crying about it.
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No. I choose not to. Nor do I believe this should be a place for idiots to use bad language. Kids play.
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No one was crying, he asked a question. And to answer your question, the one using foul language on range would be the one to blame.
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Yeah right HT is going to do something to a paying customer. Last night I had 00Stang call me a some than, some than, puzzie or something to that effect. Aces High has long been a un-moderated forum, with both text and voice abuse.
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Its like crying about the weather you cant do nuthin about it.
So why not take precausions to protect your kids?
Headphones or squelch you have those choices and If you decide not to use them then yeas it is your fault.
And If HTC terminated everyone who shot there mouth off on range he would be
out of buisness as almost everyone has said something off color on range at one point or another.
Think about it if you have 500 players on at a time not all are going to be adult about things and sound off with potty mouth stuff.
Like said above simply go to the roster right click the players handle and report him .
But in reality not much will happen. Atleast it has not when I have reported people for the same.
Dont missunderstand me as I do agree with you but If you cant change it
just take measures to protect your kids as that is your responsability.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Film this player, and submit it to HTC. Nothing happens when you report them. I've reported the same core group of idiots probably hundreds of times, and they're still here, spewing their same crap.
It does suck, but I don't expect a lot from certain people, and wear headphones, so their idiocy doesn't offend anyone who might be near enough to hear.
It works Hub, I've used it with success.
Zazen
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
If your not using headphones and the little ones hear bad words then whos really to blame?...
Personally I can't use headphones. I play in my office and need to hear when a customer comes in. Which, would be impossible to do with headphones. And I don't appreciate it when a customer hears the language.
There's absolutely no reason for bad language in the game. None. Especially from adults.
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Winkle has a point but, it is a place were kids are wearing the headphones also. I’m no saint but I do believe in respecting others especially when kids are involved.
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I see everynight the same players cruising channel 200 looking to slim on someone. These players are not checked in anyway. I use headphones so my kids don't hear anything I don't want them too. As for myself I have slipped a couple of times and called people something to the effect that they were slim crawling maggots because they bettered me. For that, I apologise.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
whos really to blame?
the offender is to blame.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
... whos really to blame?
Canada.
ack-ack
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lol big daddy.
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Im with Talon...I was there last night and this jerk who's name I will not mention using every swear and abusive word, short of racism in the english language...After he was asked to stop, and after he was told some plays have children present, he proceeded to get worse...At one point he repeated the F word about 10 times in a row!
Language like that is not necessary or acceptable in the game...This game is not rated "M" (mature 18+)
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Originally posted by Sooner00
it is a place were kids are wearing the headphones also. I’m no saint but I do believe in respecting others especially when kids are involved.
This is all there is to it.
I just wish HT would either allow a button to kill range or a .permasquelch list, I'd prefer a list. Most times range is useful till the screaming brats show up.
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No one dies in this game.
It is play time for WW2 Air combat.
I'm sure several choice words were used by pilots going to
their deaths in WW2.
Gentlemen, we are not in WW2.
Are we a bunch of chest thumping, high fiving, trash talking
hedonist?
Probably so.
But lets behave ourselves, please
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See Rule #7, #4
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Canada.
ack-ack
I am now hiring some hitmoose stalkers......
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Originally posted by DipStick
This is all there is to it.
I just wish HT would either allow a button to kill range or a .permasquelch list, I'd prefer a list. Most times range is useful till the screaming brats show up.
Ill second that motion.
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Originally posted by NHawk
Personally I can't use headphones. I play in my office and need to hear when a customer comes in. Which, would be impossible to do with headphones. And I don't appreciate it when a customer hears the language.
There's absolutely no reason for bad language in the game. None. Especially from adults.
LOL gee I wish I had a job where I could fart around playing games;)
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Hmmm...have searched feverishly in the Aces High Minium Requirements. No mention of Headphones. And no warning/disclaimer that explains Aces High as an Adult rated format or entertainment.:confused:
Oh wait....there isnt any such claim or requirement! :aok
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Electric shock collars.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
If your not using headphones and the little ones hear bad words then whos really to blame?
Squelch or headphones and stop crying about it.
Here in lies one (if I knew his in game name) that would more than likley get a perma-squelch if we had one.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by RedTop
Here in lies one (if I knew his in game name) that would more than likley get a perma-squelch if we had one.:rolleyes:
Why because you cant control everything ?
Get used to it Jr thats just life and the way things are right or wrong .
So If ya dont wants the kids hearing words that they will at some point hear the rest of there lives then slap on the headphones.
Take responsability for you kids it aint my job.
And what the heck is it with words anyways> I mean they dont hurt you or cause your taxes to go up or give ya cancer so whats with em?
Words mean nothing to me as they are nothing but in these cases exspessions of frustration and anger.
Get used to it its a human emotion .
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Take responsability for you kids it aint my job.
And what the heck is it with words anyways> I mean they dont hurt you or cause your taxes to go up or give ya cancer so whats with em?
Words mean nothing to me as they are nothing but in these cases exspessions of frustration and anger.
Get used to it its a human emotion .
it is called Etiquette!
some have Good Etiquette, others don't.............with the way you present yourself you are the latter, Lemmings...............
It is up to the AH community to mold its own ethics, and yes this is a game, but we control in an indirect way how the Arenas we play in take shape.......is each and everyones input that molds this community to be either a Great one or a crappy one......you decide
I know my choice :cool:
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yeah
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What'd I miss ??
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
it is called Etiquette!
some have Good Etiquette, others don't.............with the way you present yourself you are the latter, Lemmings...............
It is up to the AH community to mold its own ethics, and yes this is a game, but we control in an indirect way how the Arenas we play in take shape.......is each and everyones input that molds this community to be either a Great one or a crappy one......you decide
I know my choice :cool:
>S<
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Why because you cant control everything ?
Get used to it Jr thats just life and the way things are right or wrong .
So If ya dont wants the kids hearing words that they will at some point hear the rest of there lives then slap on the headphones.
Take responsability for you kids it aint my job.
And what the heck is it with words anyways> I mean they dont hurt you or cause your taxes to go up or give ya cancer so whats with em?
Words mean nothing to me as they are nothing but in these cases exspessions of frustration and anger.
Get used to it its a human emotion .
How about take responsibility for your own action? You have to be trolling.
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You must be ***** kidding. Nobody ever ***** swears in MA.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
You must be ***** kidding. Nobody ever ***** swears in MA.
example of BAD Etiquette
just like one of your squad members I reported for cursing the Jewish nationality and saying quote " Hail Hitler, death to all " well you know what he said who was there, and he did it non stop in spamming fashion in the Dueling arena......
shows bad example and misleads the newer flyers..............get a grip , be respected or be rediculed.....your choice...........
it isn't just about kids, adults it is about every nationality that flys the game.
how would you like it if the Finns were bashed everytime your squad was seen in the arenas? would not be to comforting now would it.............do you see where I am going with this? hope you do
Originally posted by Sooner Aces High has long been a un-moderated forum, with both text and voice abuse.
actually Aces High does have a few monitors and it is moderated , Hitech does not like to be to over bearing, if people are found to be to extreme and a moderator is online witnessing it he will be muted, now with that said, I am not one of them nor do I know who any of them are, and I have been flying since open beta under various gameids.........the 2 most are TequilaC and TC......and really I don't want to know who they are....serves me better
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
just like one of your squad members I reported for cursing the Jewish nationality and saying quote " Hail Hitler, death to all " well you know what he said who was there, and he did it non stop in spamming fashion in the Dueling arena......
May I ask who he was? You can pm me, just to know if we have to do something about this... However, there has been one individual in the DA who had created his own 'Lentolaivue 32' (and thought it was a German squad) and who is not a member of our squad.
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Originally posted by Panzzer
May I ask who he was? You can pm me, just to know if we have to do something about this... However, there has been one individual in the DA who had created his own 'Lentolaivue 32' (and thought it was a German squad) and who is not a member of our squad.
thank you for the heads up Panzer, I was shocked actually when I saw that squad name listed beside his gameid, prob was the same one, I will send you the screenshot
shoot me an email at TequilaChaser(at)flyaceshigh.com
if that is the case, I mean not to bring any bad judgement to your True Squadron of fellow flyers, ~S~
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Ok, thanks TC. I'll send you an e-mail later today.
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Although LLV guys tend to fly drunk, I doubt anyone was THAT drunk.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
just like one of your squad members I reported for cursing the Jewish nationality and saying quote " Hail Hitler, death to all " well you know what he said who was there, and he did it non stop in spamming fashion in the Dueling arena......
Just to clear this issue, the guy was not a member of Lentolaivue 32 but an imposter. Thanks TC for bringing this up and thanks also to Skuzzy for taking care of this issue. & Merry Christmas!
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Originally posted by Panzzer
Just to clear this issue, the guy was not a member of Lentolaivue 32 but an imposter. Thanks TC for bringing this up and thanks also to Skuzzy for taking care of this issue. & Merry Christmas!
again, my apologies to the Lentolaivue 32! glad we got it sitiated for ya :)
Merry Christmas everyone ~S~
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Range is not about cussing....That's what squad channel is for :D
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Originally posted by Glasses
Range is not about cussing....That's what squad channel is for :D
bingo:aok
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Interesting take on it Fartwinkle, I guess being an adult and taking some responsibility is too much to ask.
I swear sometimes playing Aces High, loudly too!, but you know what? I don't have the transmitt button pushed when I do it, because there is no need to.
Get a clue.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Why because you cant control everything ?
Get used to it Jr thats just life and the way things are right or wrong .
So If ya dont wants the kids hearing words that they will at some point hear the rest of there lives then slap on the headphones.
Take responsability for you kids it aint my job.
And what the heck is it with words anyways> I mean they dont hurt you or cause your taxes to go up or give ya cancer so whats with em?
Words mean nothing to me as they are nothing but in these cases exspessions of frustration and anger.
Get used to it its a human emotion .
wow you are so smart. i wish i was as smart as you.
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You and you alone allowed that person to verbally pollute your personal space... AH is just like the TV, you decide what content enters your house.
Hes's a simple solution, squelches quite nicely:
http://www.quinnware.com/
To play iTunes downloads with QCD and zero loss in sound:
http://hymn-project.org/
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
You and you alone allowed that person to verbally pollute your personal space... AH is just like the TV, you decide what content enters your house.
Wrong and no. Why are people no longer responsible for their actions?
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....alot of people dont have headsets and or enjoy using their soundsytem....fartwinkle your arguments are terrible...a slip here and there or a moment of rage is exusable...ranting in blatant profanity on vox or text is in really poor taste...you posting in shades makes it even more pathetic. there are plenty of ways to get your "point" across w/o cussing..a little imagination please
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My six year old son is becoming an AH addict. He is already flying fairly well in the TA, and he understands that people aren't perfect, as he has heard me slip up as well as others in the MA. We both play with or without the headphones.
It's only human to screw up. It's quite another matter to purposely include colorful metaphores in every sentence of speech and text, rely on the "it's only human" excuse, then expect others (young and old) to tune it out, turn it off, etc...
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Something needs to be done about some of the things said ingame...my example.....windx called me a petophile on 200.....stuff like this dont belong ingame expecially when he dont even know me. there are some people that need to have something done about them and the things they say ingame. Things like this have no place in the game and thanks to him and his attempt to make me look bad i spent 30mins explaining what this ment to my 12yearold then had to explain how him saying this is beyond wrong. Its one thing to razz people its another to accuse them of being something that they are not and as utterly gross and as wrong as that. Something needs to be done because this stuff is getting outta hand.
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They call 'em 'greifers' ..people who log into a game just to see how 'bad' they can be and get away with it.
I've heard all the excuses many times.. 'it's just a game' I would guess is the number one excuse.
The fact is .. how you present yourself will determine how you are treated, 'in-game' or in meatspace (real life for those who don't get that reference :)
People who want to be thought of as total jerks, uneducated, who cannot control their mouth much less anything else by all means can wade in and do their worst.
When I bother to take notice of them at all . . I usually ask 'em ..'do you enjoy playing this game?' .. because usually ..there is a way to get rid of them.. permanently.
All it takes is a little time .. any game I have ever played there has always been a way to ban an account.
-evil grin- ..The thing about those folks is .. they are invariably easy to setup for banning. They never know when to stop.
(I had one jerk lewdly proposition my wife in EQ ..with a GM standing right behind her ..it was .. er .. ok .. hilarious :)
-GE
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Good to see the silent majority stand up, and tall for a change....Its a great game...lets keep it that way.....we are all responsible to keep the game positive respectful and fun for all ....
999000
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Reporting to HTC does work. As someone said before just bring up your clipboard, right click on their name and report as you see fit. Sure they are not going to yank the carpet from a first time offender, but they will be warned. If they are repeat offenders (depending on the circumstances) they will close the account.
999, I have to apologize. I swore at you once. You did not hear me because it was in my brain, but it took me 3 months to earn the points to fly that Me-262. ;)
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sorry I still haven't flown a 262......but if I could give you bomber perks and you could convert them I certainlly would sir
Have a merry X-mas!
999000
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Name and shame em. several ppl in this thread say well so and so did this the other night but i dont wanna name name....well your complaint/argument really has no weight if you dont name the offensive person.
i understand how you feel and agree with you actually but, we really need some names so we can properly ummm make a informed decision aoubt the issue
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
Name and shame em. several ppl in this thread say well so and so did this the other night but i dont wanna name name....well your complaint/argument really has no weight if you dont name the offensive person.
i understand how you feel and agree with you actually but, we really need some names so we can properly ummm make a informed decision aoubt the issue
While i agree with ya on this one WildCrd...I think HTC might frown on the eminent flame fest that may result by naming names.
Prolly best to make our formal complaint of individual offenders via the mentioned methods.
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i cant stand range vox. only care about squad vox.
btw, if i had a kid and heard some fat old drunken googly eyed dork cursing in front of him I'd smack him in the mouth before he had the chance to finish his next word.
There is no excuse for that crap on range vox. squad is one thing. if your squadies want to put up with bad language that's their choice. No excuse for it on range vox.
6Guns...
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I have let my 12 year old step-son watch me play and have let him play a few times in the MA, and I have told him "they cuss" and I says "I know, but its ok because I know better", and he does.
A slip of the tounge once in awhile is excuseable, but if he was asked to stop then went totaly off that is unexcuseable and its just wrong.
Kids hear foul words everyday at school and other places, and the kids saying these words are most likely childen of parents like this guy.
Follow him around, fliming everyword, I think if HT had enough proof of him doing this, he would ban the player for good.
GoodLuck And <>
WildViper
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Originally posted by 999000
Good to see the silent majority stand up, and tall for a change....Its a great game...lets keep it that way.....we are all responsible to keep the game positive respectful and fun for all ....
999000
Do not feed the #'s guys:)
Hiya Niner:)
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foul language can and should be policed by the "community". If I hear some guy dropping Fbombs on range, you can bet that I will ask them to watch their language please.
I'm not a jerk about it.
I am usually very polite.
I use my "dad" tone of voice, and that tends to work. Generally they will apologize. MOST the time they do actually. It is rare that they keep it up. This game is frustrating, and I understand it getting to you and cursing. I do it myself, just not into a mic, and if I have to type a curse word, #@$@@ works just as well. As does durn, and crud.
Go ahead and curse... just don't press that f12 key before you do it.
If you hear it, pipe in and ask them politely to stop. The AH Community can decide that such things are unacceptable, and it will be.
But to all that have chimed in this thread saying it's bad to hurl curses, I fully expect ya's to put your money where your mouth is.
Next time somebody types out a masked curse word, I shouldn't be the only one typing "watch language please" right? I better not be the only one asking them to please watch there languge on range anymore.
This is "OUR" sim, and we can decide what is and is not acceptable in it.
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Ya know what I find funny...is watching people that post pictures of mentally challenged kids and make fun of them on the BBS, comin in hear and talking tough about morality about cursing on vox.
Haha, what? kids of AHers don't read the BBS?
Hehe, good one guys..... continue now on your self modelled customized witch hunt, but be sure to leave out BBS behaviour.
Btw, before u start twisting crap, I don't like swearin on open range either.
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Originally posted by airbumba
Ya know what I find funny...is watching people that post pictures of mentally challenged kids and make fun of them on the BBS, comin in hear and talking tough about morality about cursing on vox.
Haha, what? kids of AHers don't read the BBS?
Hehe, good one guys..... continue now on your self modelled customized witch hunt, but be sure to leave out BBS behaviour.
Btw, before u start twisting crap, I don't like swearin on open range either.
Let's not hijack this. Glad you don't like swearin' on open range.
ONE thing you won't see on the BBS is curse words. That's the subject at hand.
What you find funny, I might find offensive.
Not everybody think's "Monty Python" is funny, or that Richard Pryor was a comedy genius. PETA people would think the Dead Parrot sketch HORRIBLY offensive. My Baptist minister would think Richard Pryor crosses the line with all his foul language. Different people have diff. types of humor.
When I sat my parents down a couple years ago and had them watch the South Park Christmas Special (the "it's hard to be a jew, a lonely jew, on christmas" one) my Father thought it was hillarious, while my mother was terrible offended.
"Bad Language" is what we are discussing here. Not "I don't find funny what you find funny".
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What about things like what happened to me?....being called a petophile on 200...im not one...yet i was called one and i dont even know why i was called that. Stuff like that has no place here or in game. and it was an older player...windx....stuff like that is more then grounds for being banned
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Originally posted by Morpheus
wow you are so smart. i wish i was as smart as you.
So does your parents as they could have saved all thate money spent on special ed.
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Originally posted by jaxxo
....alot of people dont have headsets and or enjoy using their soundsytem....fartwinkle your arguments are terrible...a slip here and there or a moment of rage is exusable...ranting in blatant profanity on vox or text is in really poor taste...you posting in shades makes it even more pathetic. there are plenty of ways to get your "point" across w/o cussing..a little imagination please
Exactly well said.
A slip is one thing but cussing someone out is silly and unessesary I agree.
There is a huge difference between a slip and a rant you are correct jaxxo.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
You and you alone allowed that person to verbally pollute your personal space... AH is just like the TV, you decide what content enters your house.
Hes's a simple solution, squelches quite nicely:
http://www.quinnware.com/
To play iTunes downloads with QCD and zero loss in sound:
http://hymn-project.org/
Smartest thing said in this thread.
I paid $10 bucks for a set of headphones if you cant afford that your very sad.
There is a squelch and a report function in this game the operative word here is a"GAME" it aint church or a funeral its a game where a bunch of nerds get together and think there are more than they really are ego's abound in this game as some people get upset and spout off.
But like Jaxxo said a slip is different that a full on rant I think everyone can agree on that one.
Like I said If HTC banned everyone who made a slip from time to time he would be out of buisness toot sweet.
Now is someone starts going on and on being a jerk you should be smart enough to turn down your speakers untill you can mute him and report him.
Its that simple people really it is I have done it myself.
And I might add that on some nights when I am having a rotten night I simply log off untill I can be in a better mood to play a "GAME".
SO if the game becomes so intense that some simply lose it there are all the above options that can be taken and If you dont take the actions to protect your kids ears then you are just as guilty as the offender I mean would you let your kids watch a porno? ofcoures you wouldnt so why would you not take precautions concerning some potty mouths in the game?
You simply cant control all the people all the time so control you own space like marine said and simply report it to HTC its all you really can do.
If you go thrue life trying to control or change everyone you are gonna go nutts just do your best to control you and your familys enviroment.
Think about this we have speeds limits in this country so how many can say they never speed or break any other social taboo's ?
Smack your thumb with a hammer and see if you dont say a no no LOL.
So Is it improper? you bet I agree.
But so is war prejudice theft lying cheating on your wife cheating on your taxes ect ect ect.
All you can do is control yourself and live by your values you cant set values for other people the world just dont work like that.
Unlike Macho man Morpheus If I had a kid and some dork was swearing I would ask him to stop thats all I can do if he does great say thanks and move on.
If he does not I simply walk away and explain to my kid that thats the way
stupide people express themselves and that it is not nice our mature.
Now you have showed your kid how to handle a situation in an adult manner
insteed of showing him how to stoop to primate level and hit someone just because hes an idiot.
Enjoy people and Merry #$%^&*$ Christmas.
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Originally posted by reeb
What about things like what happened to me?....being called a petophile on 200...im not one...yet i was called one and i dont even know why i was called that. Stuff like that has no place here or in game. and it was an older player...windx....stuff like that is more then grounds for being banned
Find him and shut his mouth for him, then write "F YOU" with a Sharpie across his face.
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Thats the Christmas spirit:aok
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
So does your parents as they could have saved all thate money spent on special ed.
The above quoted statement does not make any sense. When attempting to flame someone, you should use proper grammar.
Score:
Morpheus - 2
You - 0
Morpheus, you and I have crossed paths a few times since you've become a BK. I never had an issue before this, but your response to this guy still stands. <> Morph.
Karaya
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I have only reported one person to Skuzzy. Only one, action was taken, and he was allowed back in. The same person when allowed back in, thanked me. He knew he was wrong for what he did, and has never done it again. Look, we're not saints, I can understand a cuss word here or there, but I have heard some guys just "snap". These guys have business being in the MA.
Karaya
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Its almost as if you are saying I have changed how I talk since I've become a BK. If you have known me in the game before I joined the BK's, weather I was flying with the Muppets in festers squad or flying with GBall in the 4Wing. I have always been the same Morpheus. I say what's on my mind (type) and that's it. Some people dont like me because I dont hold back. Some just dont give a crap what I have to say. The ones that dont give crap are usually the ones who get it. So please, for the love of god, dont turn this into a BK thread. Im so sick of that.
To gage the BK's by what I say, its not fair to the rest of them. I speak for myself, and that is it.
Fartwinkel, its not about being a macho man its about morals and doing the right thing. If that is how you really feel then you're a bad parent. Its not your fault, your parents were probably bad parents too.
Think about this for just a minute. When you curse on vox. Who are you cursing at? Guess what? You're cursing at a computer. Do you know what a fool you look like to that fly on the wall. A grown man cursing up and down at a video game.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
So please, for the love of god, dont turn this into a BK thread. Im so sick of that.
To gage the BK's by what I say, its not fair to the rest of them. I speak for myself, and that is it.
Never did, you missed the point. Navajo and BBQ turn threads into BK's, not me. Oh well Morph, maybe one day.
Karaya
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"Since you've joined the BK's."
I've known you for how long now?
I can remember you getting pissed off at me when I was in the muppets for not giving on of your squad mates a Check 6 and he died while attacking a set of Ju88s.
I do get the point Mashburn, since I joined the BK's. Instead of even mentioning the BK's you could have just said, within the recent past.
I do get it. You missed mine. But you always have to be right. So whatever.
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once a old 110 pilot gave me some advice, which seems to do well,...."i don't belive anything i hear, and about 1/2 of what i see,....." try it sometime.:D
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anyone see the differences in each person's Etiquette in this thread?
I have snapped, I am no saint, but mainly on the boards over something certian someones have continued to keep griping about.............but then again I don;'t really go off with the 3 and 4 and 5 letter obscenitys or stuff, I try to be more comical with adorable nicknames, but truly how many times have you seen that from me, especially........
still is up to all of us to decide what we allow to happen in game and not happen, and that my friends is how each and every online flight sim molds it's own community............for all the over 3 or 4 year gang that has flown in multiple flight sims, you all know this to be true..........the unwritten code of ethics of the particular game................and every game has them, but as for WW2 flight sims, they for the most part are better at molding their gaming community.................... .......
if you fly the Sims long enough, your actions and thoughts of it all do change with time to some degree, except for the Lemmings who never get it..........
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dont worry. we all know morph's behaviour is giving the fine bk name a bad reputation. expect this little problem to be eradicated in the near future so bk's can take their rightful place as the premiere and most respected squadron in Aces High...
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never heard of em? bk's????:cool:
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they suck.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Think about this for just a minute. When you curse on vox. Who are you cursing at? Guess what? You're cursing at a computer.
While i do understand that you are using this to make Fartwinkle realize that things can be trival as pertaining to a game. I think its important to remember that we would be cursing at, and or around real people when we engage in such behavior over text or Vox Each and every one of them that are receiving Vox and or text, are a victim of such actions. As you have well said before Morph. Squad Channel content is at the discretion of the specific squad. Range, Vox and Text communications can be seen and heard by ALL that are within range and that can see the text buffer.
Originally posted by Morpheus
Do you know what a fool you look like to that fly on the wall. A grown man cursing up and down at a video game.
While I do realize what you are trying to explain to Farwinkle Morph, I think its important to keep it clear that in regards to a community of people, This mentality of "Its just a game" has got to END!!!! A “game” like Space Invaders where you play solely against an artificially intelligent opponent would be a game in the scenario you are trying to apply here. Aces High is made up of a community of people engaging in competitive game play with and against each other. Those are people that we are typing and talking to, not a computer. Those people have ears, eyes and feelings too. We have seen it hundreds of times. Player A spews out a barrage of textual or vox insults to the point where the victim or recipient of the dialog gets rather upset. Player B proceeds to tell Player A how rude or childish he is being, only to have the offender say Its just a game. Don’t take it so personally" Its like these offenders have figured out a way to convince themselves that the offended person is just a Thing or Object of there transgressions and not a real person. I think it sad and wrong when a player tries to find a moral loophole to justify his lack of respect for humanity in an attempt to make him/her feel better about mentally attacking his fellow man.
Maybe If we spent a little more time worrying about how foolish we look to our fellow man and a little less time worrying about how a fly on the wall thinks. We would be on the road to moral and respectful recovery.
Merry Christmas Aces. !
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
...I think its important to keep it clear that in regards to a community of people, This mentality of "Its just a game" has got to END!!!! A “game” like Space Invaders where you play solely against an artificially intelligent opponent would be a game in the scenario you are trying to apply here. Aces High is made up of a community of people engaging in competitive game play with and against each other. Those are people that we are typing and talking to, not a computer. Those people have ears, eyes and feelings too. We have seen it hundreds of times. Player A spews out a barrage of textual or vox insults to the point where the victim or recipient of the dialog gets rather upset. Player B proceeds to tell Player A how rude or childish he is being, only to have the offender say Its just a game. Don’t take it so personally" Its like these offenders have figured out a way to convince themselves that the offended person is just a Thing or Object of there transgressions and not a real person. I think it sad and wrong when a player tries to find a moral loophole to justify his lack of respect for humanity in an attempt to make him/her feel better about mentally attacking his fellow man.
Maybe If we spent a little more time worrying about how foolish we look to our fellow man and a little less time worrying about how a fly on the wall thinks. We would be on the road to moral and respectful recovery.
AMEN Brother!
Very Well Said!
:aok
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Mugz, I agree with most of what you said.
This is and always will be just-a-game. What you are doing when you log in and start flying is playing a game. All people, community and players aside........................ .. flying, fighting, living, dying ... It is only a game. It cannot possibly be anymore than just a game. To get ticked off because someone is not flying, fighting(playing the game) the way you want them to is a joke, those that do get ticked off over this stuff and start cursing at everyone around them, need to grow up, fast.
I do not in any way agree that abusing range vox is ok because of the simple fact that those around some idiot doing the abusing can squelch this idiot. I for one cannot stand range vox. It is the number one thing on my list of dislikes in the game. With all due respect, I dont agree with Hitechs' logic, I think it should be possible to kill range vox completely. It causes more problems than anything else in the game. How many "bad language" threads have there been over the years?
I agree with you that this is a community, Mugz. But in respect to the game, and part of what you do when you log in, which is play a game, its never going to be anything more than that. The people, the community, the players, sure they make up a great deal of what is known as Aces High. But the game aspect of Aces High will never be anything more than what it is. A game.
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So morph, if I read you right... Forgive me if I missed it because you were kinda subtle...
You're saying its a 'game'? :huh
deep...:p
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Player B proceeds to tell Player A how rude or childish he is being, only to have the offender say Its just a game. Don’t take it so personally"
Not many things in life really get to me. This game and what people say to me, about me, or think about me, will never, EVER, be one of those things in my life that get to me.
I know of quite a few people who let this game get to them far too often.
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it is a competitive game, just like a game of football, expect some banter and have fun you sissies.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Not many things in life really get to me. This game and what people say to me, about me, or think about me, will never, EVER, be one of those things in my life that get to me.
I know of quite a few people who let this game get to them far too often.
So are you of the opinion that if someone calls someone else a "Tard" for example. And said recipient gets upset, that the recipient of said comment is letting the "Game" get to him or her rather than the comments of their fellow man? Doesn't anyone think about the fact that the word "Tard" for example is a derivative of the word "Retarded"? Wouldn’t most think that this would be offensive to the Fathers, Mothers, Brothers, Sisters of a retarded person if they see or hear these words spewed over VOX or text? Don’t you think some player’s use "GAME" as a shield or shelter to commit their offenses against real "People" without the feeling of guilt? Sure, telling a player to remember that it’s just a "GAME" can help them ignore and deal with the offensive remarks of a Jerk. But not if the advise is coming from said offender in the heat of the exchange! Wouldn’t it be better if the offender just clearly states that he don’t care if they hurt the victims feelings instead of pretending that he or she is a respectable person that actually gives a hoot?
None of this changes the fact that in the eyes of the victim the transgressor has no respect or regard for his or her fellow man.
Not many things in life really get to me. This game and what people say to me, about me, or think about me, will never, EVER, be one of those things in my life that get to me. While this is a good way to keep ones feelings from being hurt on a personal basis. In most cases this disposition makes it easier to be an offender doesnt it? Kind of a "Everyone must think/feel like I do" or they are taking things too personally" thingy?
I guess in closing it is easy to see that the Transgressor is playing a "GAME" while the Victim is interacting with a community of people. Either way, we can’t change the way "People" feel. Therefore IF we are to be perceived as a respectful person. We must be mindful that it is "People" we are playing a "Game" with. If we take any other position, we would likely be perceived as someone who isn't respectable nor deserves the respect due a fellow man.
:)
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wow Mugz, you have way too much time on your hands. I'm not even going to start to answer any of those questions. You already; if you have been reading what I have been saying, already know my answers to them all.
Thank you have a nice day.
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And a good day to you too Morph.
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Originally posted by 999000
Good to see the silent majority stand up, and tall for a change....Its a great game...lets keep it that way.....we are all responsible to keep the game positive respectful and fun for all ....
999000
HMMMM.........
This from a BOMBER BULLY that picks on poor, defenceless, just flyin around and mindin his own business, wrag ...........
LOL bro n btw always considered you a class act!
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Originally posted by reeb
What about things like what happened to me?....being called a petophile on 200...im not one...yet i was called one and i dont even know why i was called that. Stuff like that has no place here or in game. and it was an older player...windx....stuff like that is more then grounds for being banned
I have responded on 200 with a question about his person. The question is "am I the only one here that finds W***X just plain offensive?"
Starting to think of this person as a greifer. Just trying to upset people or see what can be got away with............
Last time I saw this person's attack on someone else I responded that way.
Noticed something as well. Why is it SO MANY are seemingly concerned about making others angery.
Someone made a comment about chute shooting. IMHO there is very little that is more dweeby. or pathetic, then chute shooting. Heard all kinda arguments trying to support it. None work for me. Anyways the comment was they do it just to P*ss the person off. I commented such and got the "get a life it's just a game" reply.
OH really? And you know what kinda day the other person is having? Perhaps they're having a terrible day....... perhaps they just had a terrible thing happen to them and are here trying to NOT think about it for just a bit?
aahhh but that don't really matter does it? They come into AHII and well tuff right? Hmmm it's sooooo much more important that you get your kick pushing their buttons?
ahhhh well they should be in the AHII in the first place if they're going through such and such? Oh Really? Who are you to decide that for them?
I guess what we are all talking about here is attitude. The attitude one has towards others within this sim community.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
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Fartwinkel, its not about being a macho man its about morals and doing the right thing. If that is how you really feel then you're a bad parent. Its not your fault, your parents were probably bad parents too.
LOL your the one who said you would punch someone if they cursed in front of your kid now there an example:furious
The fact that my parents raised me to avoid giving into my primale urges over some word used by some twit is a testiment to them.
One who has self control does not seek to control those around him he simply trys to understand them.
As human nature being what it is verybody males in particular think they are more than they really are and when the realism of finding out you are not
produces silly actions int he game as much as it does here on ther BBs.
People will say things they would never say in public the anonimity of the keyboard breeds unwarranted machismo this thread is living proof of that.
I will turn 50 in two days and If I have learned anything so far that is just because I may live a certain way does not mean the whole world must.
We are all different and have different values and opnions on things just look at issues like the death penalty or abortion and ofcoures polotics:confused:
So what might be offensive to you and would make you angry to me might just make me sad for the person who has lost control of his own life to the point where he must either swear to get a point across or ball up and punch someone.
In short I mind my own beez wax I could care less what the dude down the street does or how he talks if I am offended by it I simply walk away problem solved.
As far as an online GAME community oh please church is a community this is a GAME it is for entertainment and when someone is not having fun and cussing people out perhapes its time to step away from AH for awhile cause if your soo ticked off you swearing at everyone you aint having fun are ya?
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
LOL your the one who said you would punch someone if they cursed in front of your kid now there an example:furious
I struck a nerve. :)
I was speaking in terms of real life. Somethign this game, is not. I guess you failed to see the connections or lack thereof, I was making.
Bottom line, there is no call for some tard abusing range vox via cursing or otherwise offencive remarks. You can go and make excuses for these idiots all you want farwinkle, both you and the abusers will always be in the wrong.
Botton line, we need to be able to squelch range vox.
Bottom line, HT did away with Ch1 for all of the reasons this thread exsists.
Bottom line, Range vox is no different than Ch1.
The ability to turn range vox on or off would give me a choice to hear 20 spawn camping dweebs screaming about a single panzer that is spawning, or 6GUNS screaming holly hell to someone about not giving him a Check 6, or 100 BoPs screaming "KILL THE TOWN"... Or I can turn it off and not hear this crap that means nothing to me.
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Now we're cookin with crisco. :aok
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My mom useda say 'sticks an stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt ya' ..
..then she went to divorce court.
The 'sticks an stones' thing is something a parent says to comfort a child ..same as 'it's gonna be all right' ..both blatantly untrue.
Words, either verbal or written, can gut you like a fish an leave you gasping for air.
Unlike a broken bone, they can return to haunt you over and over if you let them. They can affect you physically, and even trigger fight-or-flight up close and personal.
In a 'game' ..if you 'go off' on someone .. the emotion is real. It comes across in text or voice just fine. In a 'game' ..you project your personality.
It comes across even if you are 'role playing' ..even though it is 'a game'
..you will be known by what you do.
Act a jerk, and 'in a game' you will be known as one and treated as one.
It *is* just that simple.
I never could understand the idea behind typing swear words ..they are not spontaneous, you have to think about what you type ..your fingers dont just 'go off' ..
Voice is different by orders of magnitude .. and yet, those who consistently express themselves with profanity project the same things.. not enough vocabulary, uneducated, irresponsible, unable to control their mouth much less anything else around them, or they spout just for effect, to gain attention because they don't know any other way to do so.
Either way .. I regard them as buffoons. Laughable in most cases. Fun to watch in a crisis.
My daughter out grew temper tantrums when she was 6, because I would laugh at her.
Same as I laugh at greifers.. and ask them 'do you *like* being here?'
Usually with text logging on, and a GM nearby.
-GE
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Originally posted by wrag
Someone made a comment about chute shooting. IMHO there is very little that is more dweeby. or pathetic, then chute shooting. Heard all kinda arguments trying to support it. None work for me.
chutes can't be shot (wish they could), you have to aim for the lil meatbombs dangling under them and if meatbombs weren't meant to be shot, they'd not explode when you do so.
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Originally posted by Shane
chutes can't be shot (wish they could), you have to aim for the lil meatbombs dangling under them and if meatbombs weren't meant to be shot, they'd not explode when you do so.
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hehe he said "MeatBombs" rofl:D
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Hey Guys,
I agree with you with regards the bad language, but as a Brit I just have to use it now and then as it would almost be like renouncing my heritage!
I apologise in advance for any of you that I offend and hope to get squelched and whatevered more often as it's what I deserve!
Oh by the way one thing is that I only swear via text and not voice so most of it get filtered - thank god!
But being a brit there are loads of words we commeonly use that are not included :)!
Merry Xmas and have a great 2006!
Tallyho
P.S. Watch out you reds I mean business this year (please don't shoot me)lol!
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The funniest part in that cursing joke I made earlier is that I never even typed any cursing words. I used only **** symbols. Then I got attacked by a poster for having bad form - when the bad form was only in the posters head. He filled in the blanks with curse words, not me. :D
While I think cursing is bad manners, I think many of you folks blow the thing out of proportions. They're only words you know.
Curses consist of letters. If you want to get rid of every trace of curses you need to stop using any letters that can be used for cursing. Happy new year. :cool:
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Fartwhatever.......
I'll save ya some time.....From reading your replies , your a blame it on the other person type. So , I'll just leave it to you. Your shades acct. here gives me no idea who you are in game otherwise I'd squelch ya there to.
You have a nice day. And remember , there are more people (REAL ONES TO) on the other end of your obvious sarcastic mouth.
I'll permasquelch ya here to I guess.
Have a nice life Sir
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"They're only words you know."
Interesting.................
What are words? Are they used to communicate? Are they used to convey ideas? Do they have a meaning? Or are they just sounds being made by people?
When mispronounced do they still have the same meaning?
When pronounced at different speeds with different inflections on different sylables does the meaning change?
HMMMMMMMMMM................ only words ...................hmmmmmmmmm mmmm.
Funny thing is the legal system will do really bad things to some people because of those silly little words, those "They're only words you know." things.
People have to pay huge amounts of money to other people sometimes because of those silly "They're only words you know." things they say!
Been wondering??????? If you take a picture of a statement in the buffer, like someone calling someone a pedaphile, could you sue the person the statment is attributed to come from? Would that come under Slander? Or Libel?
Thinkin someday someone is going to GO FOR IT. Everyone keeps thinking they can't get in trouble because they are on the net. I think SOON that may change and I'm thinkin then it will go BIGTIME! The legal eagle's will be comin around like sharks smelling blood in the water. Some kinda tracking mechanizem? Maybe get a legal order to sieze computers, track online usage, show a consistant abuse pateran, and BANG big bucks.
The music companies just got huge amounts out of people on the net.
Many THOUGHT they could get away with "They're only words you know." while using HAM radios. :rofl
Usually some kid using the parents rig. :rofl Laughing and saying those "They're only words you know." things. And then the FCC would show up at the door, take ALL the equipment, and leave a note for a BIG fine. Kid usually stopped laughin right then. :aok
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They're only words.. The trouble comes only when someone pulls a bead up their nose about them. You can call someone a pedophile all you like. You can shout it to the world - as long as that person doesn't care. If he cares you face a lawsuit obviously. Still they're only words especially if they have no base in reality.
Raising fuzz and filtering bad words is about as petty as it gets in my opinnion. We see a lot of prime time shows from US here in finland. And the censorship constantly raises smiles down here. Sometimes the programs contain more 1khz sine wave than recognizable speech.
Surely nothing bad will happen if we filter away the bad parts. Surely. Even if any over 5 year old understands which cuss words are bleeped out and which body parts contain nipples in US bowl shows.
:D
That being said I believe there are players in MA which would hinder the gaming experience of the rest unless they were filtered. In my opinnion a permanent option to squelch players would be far more beneficial than any automatic language filter which can and is constantly subvented.
You guys constantly rave about freedom. Why don't you want freedom to choose what you receive online?
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
You guys constantly rave about freedom. Why don't you want freedom to choose what you receive online?
You can "recieve" anything ya like. The makers of this game choose not to let that be part of it.
Theres plenty or sites that dont mind what is said or shown.
Theres games out there that are like that as well.
This just doesnt happen to be it.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
They're only words.. The trouble comes only when someone pulls a bead up their nose about them. You can call someone a pedophile all you like. You can shout it to the world - as long as that person doesn't care. If he cares you face a lawsuit obviously. Still they're only words especially if they have no base in reality.
Raising fuzz and filtering bad words is about as petty as it gets in my opinnion. We see a lot of prime time shows from US here in finland. And the censorship constantly raises smiles down here. Sometimes the programs contain more 1khz sine wave than recognizable speech.
Surely nothing bad will happen if we filter away the bad parts. Surely. Even if any over 5 year old understands which cuss words are bleeped out and which body parts contain nipples in US bowl shows.
:D
That being said I believe there are players in MA which would hinder the gaming experience of the rest unless they were filtered. In my opinnion a permanent option to squelch players would be far more beneficial than any automatic language filter which can and is constantly subvented.
You guys constantly rave about freedom. Why don't you want freedom to choose what you receive online?
I have been Muted for not cussing, or being abusive. Some of the "moderators" in the Game have favorites and will "probably warn them to death". I enjoy being muted, and roll film of others just continuing on for 4-5 minutes spewing the same garbage before the mute came on.
In my 3+ years of playing AH, I have been muted maybe 5 times. I know who 2 of the AH moderators are in game and keep that to myself. They do have a petty job (they know it, we know it) but I think consistency is the problem. But for the most part they do a good job in keeping the temperance down on 200.
Just like some believe I actually get "riled up on 200". LMAO, if only they knew the role in which they play, don't believe me, ask my squaddies. I get pissed at hitting a tree in a good dogfight, not the incessant spewing of the rhetoric on the "Channel 200 Epic: When Egos Flare!"
Karaya
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
The funniest part in that cursing joke I made earlier is that I never even typed any cursing words. I used only **** symbols. Then I got attacked by a poster for having bad form - when the bad form was only in the posters head. He filled in the blanks with curse words, not me. :D
While I think cursing is bad manners, I think many of you folks blow the thing out of proportions. They're only words you know.
Curses consist of letters. If you want to get rid of every trace of curses you need to stop using any letters that can be used for cursing. Happy new year. :cool:
Why would they fill in the blanks as curse words? Most likely due to a "Word" Context
You cant be that ignorant. :rolleyes:
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Mr Ripley,
you presented the joke, chose to troll with the * key and set yourself up for me saying bad form...........
even I knew it was a joke, think about it, I am an old US Navy man, I have heard prob ever 2,3,4,5,6 and beyond letter profanity word as most military personnel have that have served.
no words fit your sentence, none that most could guess anyhow..........
it wasn't pickin on you, it was you showing an example.......
hmm......as for US television, well it isn't Andy Griffith or Little Rascals anymore, all kind of freaks on Television from all over the world, not just here...
Happy New Year back at ya :)
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
all kind of freaks on Television from all over the world, not just here...
but the freaks on the internet are much more entertaining. :aok
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I still would like to see an option to set 'permanent' squelches on certain players instead of the lingo filter. Some players are plain obnoxious, especially the ones that attack through pm.
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Some here have taken responsibility for their kids. They are working to ask this site to enforce the policy we all agreed to when we signed up. The "don't like the language get headphones" mentality doesn’t fly. I don't have to get headphones. I should expect to be chastised for my bad language because that is what I agreed to if I wanted to play this game. If it's all about the Benjamin’s, I don't think most language abusers are going to quit the game because they got their hand slapped but it will send the clear message that the profanity policy will be enforced.
Hitech has a posted policy against profanity and abusive language towards other players.
It is their obligation to enforce that policy. A statement here supporting that position would have been appropriate.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
You guys constantly rave about freedom.
I don't rave about freedom. Any newspaper, here on the bulletin boards, and other places show we have more freedom than we can handle.
hap
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Originally posted by Hap
I don't rave about freedom. Any newspaper, here on the bulletin boards, and other places show we have more freedom than we can handle.
hap
“For of those to whom much is given, much is required”-JFK
"For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required." -Luke 12:48
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Again most of you are only worried about what YOU are hearing. What about the 300 12 year olds who get home from school, log on at say 3:30 pm and hear B**** and B***** ( you know who you are) over tank town yelling F this, F that, blow me, suck this all on range? Range is a PUBLIC channel, if you stood in public and screamed obcenities you would be carried away reguardless of how many times you scream "freedom of speech". We're talking about two different kinds of people here, most everyone has let one word or another slip out on range at 1:00am after a few too many beers while flying your 262 into the range of the 5" guns, thats one thing. Listening to Birdo, burnup aka 2Drecon (there I said it) scream F%&! in reputition over range in prime time is a whole other ballgame. As you all know my 13 year old kid plays this game under MY account just as much as I do. I am now forced to have him unplug the headset and turn up the pc speakers to monitor what is going on before I will let him play. Exactly how much fun is AH without a headset and mic? BORING! My .02 cents worth :)
Puck
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An average 12-year old knows more cuss words than most of us do.
Just yesterday I was playing and my 5-year old son sat next to me. The guys were swearing quite a lot on the squad vox and we both laughed at the guys with my son. He was *****ing to them for using 'nasty words' and I transmitted him to the vox too. :D
Even though he was 5-years old he understood that the language was used in good fun and for humour. Finnish language actually allows cursing without sounding offensive at all.
Now tell me, is my sons brain now permanently destroyed and he has no hope of a decent tomorrow? :cry
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IN :noid
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
An average 12-year old knows more cuss words than most of us do.
Just yesterday I was playing and my 5-year old son sat next to me. The guys were swearing quite a lot on the squad vox and we both laughed at the guys with my son. He was *****ing to them for using 'nasty words' and I transmitted him to the vox too. :D
Even though he was 5-years old he understood that the language was used in good fun and for humour. Finnish language actually allows cursing without sounding offensive at all.
Now tell me, is my sons brain now permanently destroyed and he has no hope of a decent tomorrow? :cry
Finnish trailer trash in the making. Just because you suck as a parent doesn't mean all of us do. Yes, he has no hope.... are you happy now? :eek:
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Thats just sad. My son knows the words too. He also knows the people who use them in a public setting are lacking in moral fiber. Can YOU take a hint?
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Don't pay me no mINd, I'm just post-whorINg.
Karaya
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Very well said
I dont have kids. But some nights, I just get weary of the overzealous use of profanity. Its not like Im some sort of holy roller or easily offended by harsh language. Its just plain rude. And its not limited to kiddies using every bad word they can say. Its the adults as well.
Originally posted by Excaliber
Some here have taken responsibility for their kids. They are working to ask this site to enforce the policy we all agreed to when we signed up. The "don't like the language get headphones" mentality doesn’t fly. I don't have to get headphones. I should expect to be chastised for my bad language because that is what I agreed to if I wanted to play this game. If it's all about the Benjamin’s, I don't think most language abusers are going to quit the game because they got their hand slapped but it will send the clear message that the profanity policy will be enforced.
Hitech has a posted policy against profanity and abusive language towards other players.
It is their obligation to enforce that policy. A statement here supporting that position would have been appropriate.
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Originally posted by RedTop
Fartwhatever.......
I'll save ya some time.....From reading your replies , your a blame it on the other person type. So , I'll just leave it to you. Your shades acct. here gives me no idea who you are in game otherwise I'd squelch ya there to.
You have a nice day. And remember , there are more people (REAL ONES TO) on the other end of your obvious sarcastic mouth.
I'll permasquelch ya here to I guess.
Have a nice life Sir
OH:O I'm hurt:rofl
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Originally posted by Morpheus
I struck a nerve. :)
I was speaking in terms of real life. Somethign this game, is not. I guess you failed to see the connections or lack thereof, I was making.
So your saying its only ok in real life then?
Bottom line, there is no call for some tard abusing range vox via cursing or otherwise offencive remarks. You can go and make excuses for these idiots all you want farwinkle, both you and the abusers will always be in the wrong.
Botton line, we need to be able to squelch range vox.
Strangly enough I agree with you on this
Bottom line, HT did away with Ch1 for all of the reasons this thread exsists.
Bottom line, Range vox is no different than Ch1.
The ability to turn range vox on or off would give me a choice to hear 20 spawn camping dweebs screaming about a single panzer that is spawning, or 6GUNS screaming holly hell to someone about not giving him a Check 6, or 100 BoPs screaming "KILL THE TOWN"... Or I can turn it off and not hear this crap that means nothing to me.
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Finnish trailer trash in the making. Just because you suck as a parent doesn't mean all of us do. Yes, he has no hope.... are you happy now?
Heh we don't have trailer parks down here. And the free university level education system of Finland pretty much guarantees that my kid will receive equal or better education than yours (depending how much money you can fork for your kids education after AH bills ;) ).
If you guys really think that harsh language is dangerous I'm left without words, really. The only thing that will happen (as it did with me) is that the child will learn the double standard of the parents if you try to lie to the kid and hide certain aspects of everyday life. Your kid will be exposed to a huge culture shock called 'the real world' when he steps out of the filtered boundaries of home. It's far better to teach the kid values so he understands cursing is rude. Which is why we were laughing with my kid at the 'stupid' squadmates who used that profane language.
How long do you think it will take your kid to face outside world? A year, two years? You plan to hire a private teacher to your kid to stop him from hearing bad words at school intervals? You plan to forbid your child from any sports activity and public situations where bad language can be heard. I bet you even plan to talk to him about sex education AFTER he brings his 14-year old girlfriend home knocked up. What are you, Ned Flanders? LOL.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Heh we don't have trailer parks down here. And the free university level education system of Finland pretty much guarantees that my kid will receive equal or better education than yours (depending how much money you can fork for your kids education after AH bills ;) ).
If you guys really think that harsh language is dangerous I'm left without words, really. The only thing that will happen (as it did with me) is that the child will learn the double standard of the parents if you try to lie to the kid and hide certain aspects of everyday life. Your kid will be exposed to a huge culture shock called 'the real world' when he steps out of the filtered boundaries of home. It's far better to teach the kid values so he understands cursing is rude. Which is why we were laughing with my kid at the 'stupid' squadmates who used that profane language.
How long do you think it will take your kid to face outside world? A year, two years? You plan to hire a private teacher to your kid to stop him from hearing bad words at school intervals? You plan to forbid your child from any sports activity and public situations where bad language can be heard. I bet you even plan to talk to him about sex education AFTER he brings his 14-year old girlfriend home knocked up. What are you, Ned Flanders? LOL.
IMHO We are not talking about a double standard so much as a WHEN something is appropriate? As you say it's RUDE. And IMHO unnecessary on local VOX!
My children, when they were very young, knew that people used such words. Over time they learned when such words were useable and when they were not. The concept was not really that difficult for them to understand. However not everyone use's that approach. Some do try to HIDE things for awhile from their children. IMHO other have NO RIGHT to try and change that. To me that is one of the basic concepts behind individual freedom and liberty. I may not agree with you but if I am to be free you must also be free. Should we cross that line we open the way for others to cross that line with us.
My squadies often say words on squad channel. I have NO PROBLEMS with that. When my 9 year old GrandDaughter is about I turn off the speakers and I wear headphones. When she gets a little older say 12 or 13 I will probably stop wearing the headphones so much when she is around. Is she aware that such words exist? I'm very sure she is. Spewing that stuff out on local vox is IMHO inappropriate. A little consideration for others is involved. So IMHO what we are talking about is attitude........... how we gonna act hmmm?????
As to the actual words. They don't bother me at all. Use em from time to time myself. :lol I've even heard a few streams of such words put together in such a manner that many reacted with what could be considered admiration of the speaker. :lol I sometimes think they actually had some kinda verbal training for some ot those Drill Instructors, hey I'm an Ex-Marine here :rofl
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Wrag it's a fact anyway that our cultures are very different on certain aspects. You back in States tend to be WAY more conservative in general.
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here is what skuzzy of HTC had to say about bad language being used in AH:
"There is no reason or excuse for the use of derogatory, foul, or abusive language. None.
It is disruptive and there is nothing positive it will accomplish.
Quite the opposite, all it generates is more anger, frustration, contempt, and causes others that were on the edge to go over.
There is no reason children should not be able to sit with thier parents and watch this game be played. If you feel it is inappropriate, then I would say to you, you are inappropriate. You cannot surmise a situation where using profanity or other abusive language is either appropriate or positive."
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That seems straight forward to me, Big Gun :aok
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Amen to Skuzzy!
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wow, talk about beating the dead horse... reguardless if one has headphones or not... if they are 10 bucks or free.... bottom line up front, grow up... yea, everyone slips with the occasional mother F'er.. im to blame on that one too, but when you have to shoot off at the mouth to the guy who shot you down, or ran from you thats just retarded.. i can only imagine how some of the internet toughguys are when watching their favorite team lose on TV.
what can you do... some say to knock if off and others defend it...
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Originally posted by 101ABN
wow, talk about beating the dead horse... reguardless if one has headphones or not... if they are 10 bucks or free.... bottom line up front, grow up... yea, everyone slips with the occasional mother F'er.. im to blame on that one too, but when you have to shoot off at the mouth to the guy who shot you down, or ran from you thats just retarded.. i can only imagine how some of the internet toughguys are when watching their favorite team lose on TV.
what can you do... some say to knock if off and others defend it...
Not defending it at all.
I am saying that it has been going on since man began to speak and it will continue to go on.
All anyone can do is to take precautions to protect there kids or who ever from hearing it ie : headphones.
It is the only garranty you have untill HTC can install a voice filter or the like.
In a perfect world there would be no curssing but we dont live in that world
so Its up to the individual to protect there kids.
As sure as the sun will rise there will allways be somoene who swears you cant change that none of us can.
The best thing to do is to use the tools given you by HTC and that is to report the offender.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
All anyone can do is to take precautions to protect there kids or who ever from hearing it ie : headphones.
My 6 year old son is currently flying WITH THE HEADPHONES ON. There is not an age limitation specified in this game. He has adimately expressed a desire to learn the game, and I am encouraging it, both for the "fun" factor, and as a "living" history lesson about WW2. Until such time as HTC changes the rules to prevent children from playing, he will continue to play.
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foul language's benefit is that it identifies foul people. been there done it myself. i was wrong when i did. the extremes we go to justify the unjustifiable attests that humans are becoming worse rather than better.
hap
p.s. there are those, however, who give a soul hope.
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Originally posted by wrag
"They're only words you know."
blah blah blah
People have to pay huge amounts of money to other people sometimes because of those silly "They're only words you know." things they say!
Been wondering??????? If you take a picture of a statement in the buffer, like someone calling someone a pedaphile, could you sue the person the statment is attributed to come from? Would that come under Slander? Or Libel?
blah blah blah
Usually some kid using the parents rig. :rofl Laughing and saying those "They're only words you know." things. And then the FCC would show up at the door, take ALL the equipment, and leave a note for a BIG fine. Kid usually stopped laughin right then. :aok
Never gonna see lawsuits won over this or any other language between players in game. Libel or Slander has to prove harm caused to person. Calling an annoymous name in game something or other from another annoymous name is not hurting that player's person, or causing him harm, other than a bruised ego. Last check in court, they do not pay for that. But hey, keep on dreaming, you litigous types are gonna do your best to get something for nothing all the time.
Here, just for you.....
You're a ghey pedofile.
Now sue me. :rofl
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Never gonna see lawsuits won over this or any other language between players in game. Libel or Slander has to prove harm caused to person. Calling an annoymous name in game something or other from another annoymous name is not hurting that player's person, or causing him harm, other than a bruised ego. Last check in court, they do not pay for that. But hey, keep on dreaming, you litigous types are gonna do your best to get something for nothing all the time.
Here, just for you.....
You're a ghey pedofile.
Now sue me. :rofl
WAY out of line there Bohdi.
Wrag is good people.
One of the classiest people I have met in the game and I am honored and privileged to count wrag as a friend.
Not sure what point you are trying to prove other than you could use a lesson or three on manners.
"it's just a game"
"it's just an internet bbs"
"it's just a stranger"
"it's just some...." where does it end?
Those are not excuses, they are justifications.
People that justify things KNOW deep down they are doing something wrong, hence the justification.
Let's take ownership for our behaviour shall we?
Wrag made an excellent point, and we SHOULD try to clean up our behaviour both on the bbs, and in the game. That is a good thing. That is a positive thing. That is an honorable thing.
Tossing out a personal attack for no other reason than to ask someone to sue you is childish, and crass.
Come on Bohdi, ya' know better.
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Lute,
I am not trying to prove any other point other than the mere suggestion of lawsuits over names in game is assinine at the least, and pure idiotic social deviancy at it's worst.
I do not dislike Wrag (he usually has good points) or any one for that matter in game or here. I think a lot are quite strange and some even are a bit in need of help, but I am sure quite a few feel the same way about me, so touche...
As for language in game:
is it out of control? Naaawwww.
is it sometimes over the top? Yep.
do some people choose to be stupid and vent there frustration in a poor vulgar manner (myself included at times)? Yes.
Should there be a way to mute range? Absolfreakinglutely!
Anyways Lute, Wrag's point of responsiblity over language was ok, but the constant referenceing lawsuits was rediculous, over the top, and even more poor form than my reply. If it hurts you or he that much, I apologise then, I guess. But, keep the lawyers out of online gaming, they are already on the verge of destroying almost every single vestige of leisure time we have, why allow it here.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Lute,
I am not trying to prove any point other than suggesting that lawsuits over name calling in a game is assinine at the very least, and purely idiotic social deviancy at it's worst.
I do not dislike Wrag (he usually has good points like on the top of his head) or any one for that matter in a game or here. I think a lot are quite strange and some even are a bit in need of help, but I am sure quite a few feel the same way about me, so touche...
As for language in game:
is it out of control? Naaawwww.
is it sometimes over the top? Yep.
do some people choose to be stupid and vent there frustration in a poor vulgar manner (myself included at times)? Yes.
Should there be a way to mute range? Absolfreakinglutely!
Anyways Lute, Wrag's point of responsiblity over language was ok, but constantly referencing lawsuits was rediculous, over the top, and even more in poor form than my reply. If it hurts you or he that much, I apologise then, I guess. But, keep the lawyers out of online gaming, they are already on the verge of destroying almost every vestige of leisure time we have, why allow it here.
damn bohdi well thought out and very nicely worded.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Lute,
I am not trying to prove any other point other than the mere suggestion of lawsuits over names in game is assinine at the least, and pure idiotic social deviancy at it's worst.
I do not dislike Wrag (he usually has good points) or any one for that matter in game or here. I think a lot are quite strange and some even are a bit in need of help, but I am sure quite a few feel the same way about me, so touche...
As for language in game:
is it out of control? Naaawwww.
is it sometimes over the top? Yep.
do some people choose to be stupid and vent there frustration in a poor vulgar manner (myself included at times)? Yes.
Should there be a way to mute range? Absolfreakinglutely!
Anyways Lute, Wrag's point of responsiblity over language was ok, but the constant referenceing lawsuits was rediculous, over the top, and even more poor form than my reply. If it hurts you or he that much, I apologise then, I guess. But, keep the lawyers out of online gaming, they are already on the verge of destroying almost every single vestige of leisure time we have, why allow it here.
Bodhi and NO PROBLEMS here SIR. I appreciate your point.
An actual law suite isn't my point at all. My point is many think they can say and do as they wish in AHII or most anywhere on the web. Constantly they use the justification that it's only this, that, that other thing........or just plain whatever............. NEVER MIND what possible damage they may or may not do. NEVER MIND anything, or anyone else, ALL that SEEMS to matter, ALL that SEEMS important is THEY get their GOOD FEELING ABOUT THEMSELVES.... RIGHT???
How they make anyone else feel is not important? So what? They can't handle it then they shouldn't come here? Hmmm... to me that's just plain B.S. and just another sorry attempt at justification. I'm pretty sure that it also hurts HTC's business. Bad if you got 1 person driving away 2 or more. As a business what would you want $14.95 or $29.90. Those NUMBERS don't lie.
As to keeping the Lawyers out............ that is NOT up to me. I'm actually trying to keep the Lawyers OUT! You, and everyone else for that matter, have seen it OVER and OVER and OVER! We ALL know what brings Lawyers in.
I have NO intention of bringing a Lawyer into this. What a mess that would make ugh..........
You tell me, if lawyers come in to this, who will bring the lawyers in..........huh???
Me? Who doesn't want such a thing? Who NEVER brought a law suite against anyone? Or the people that CAN'T seem to control themselves?
If lawyers CAN'T find anything to litigate they go away........... right?
The gaming industry is already UNDER the GUN! It's in the news all around you. Little blips here and there. You think AHII is somehow immune? You think online gaming isn't being looked at right now? Our government is already making noises. Didn't Hillary Clinton already chime in? Haven't some other politicians already chimed in?
The BEST form of discipline is SELF-discipline. There are a hugh number of people out there in the world that would just LOVE to step in and discipline you, me, or anybody else for that matter. Call em control freaks, power hungry, whatever....... they are there, they exist, and they are begging for an excuse.
So why give them an excuse? Is there something WRONG with having manners?
I'm not saying everyone has to be all nicey nice. Ugh, yuck, blah.......... how would NwBie survive? <<>> (don't even be fooled here PLEASE! I like NwBie! UH OH.... think I messed up here ??? DON'T TELL NwBie I said THAT!!!)
But there is a LINE! When someone, anyone starts screaming porfanity and vulgarity on local they cross that line. I, you, and everyone else, don't we all have a right to NOT hear it if we wish, and have asked someone to NOT subject us to it?
Have I ever said something on local or squad that was out of line? Sure, I think we all do from time to time. BUT I usually appoligized to all present and I always stopped of my own accord without being asked. I did NOT subject them to an abusive screaming fit of even more.
Do I, or have I become offended when a squadie has gone off on squad with a stream of such wording? NOPE! Ask em if you like. Hey I got headphones. So if my 9 year old granddaughter is around I wear em. To me squad channel is private, and the best place for it. :rofl Couple of em may have tested me on that. :rofl
Besides they put up with my singing :lol
hmmmm...... come to think of it, ..... pretty sure.... Bodhi you've heard me sing right?
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Originally posted by wrag
If lawyers CAN'T find anything to litigate they go away........... right?
Wrong.
- oldman
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I used to use bad language in AH, but it stopped making me feel like a grownup... so I stopped.
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Maybe everyone just needs a group hug:aok
(http://www.botop.com/f_2005_pics/bill%20valle/checkin%20lobby/group%20hug.jpg)
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10 bucks to whoever finds BGBMAW in that pic
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by FuBaR
10 bucks to whoever finds BGBMAW in that pic
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
20 bucks on the one in the black shirt.
Those are rudder pedal calves if I ever saw em.
I accept paypal :aok