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Title: What aircraft is this? (modern)
Post by: Treize69 on December 21, 2005, 06:51:29 PM: (http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/6285/img00716jx.jpg)

Snapped north of Bucharest. (not by me)

I'm trying to find out for sure what it is, since the guy who took the pic seems 100% bound and determined that its a ghost of a B-24. (and I'm not joking...)
Title: What aircraft is this? (modern)
Post by: Maverick on December 21, 2005, 07:05:38 PM: Definately not a 24. It's a cargo ship with the squared off fuselage and ramp.
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Post by: Airscrew on December 21, 2005, 07:08:35 PM: I looks like a russian cargo plane, cant remember the exact name Antov? Antoc? I'm not at home where all my books are, but definitly not a B-24
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Post by: Holden McGroin on December 21, 2005, 07:08:41 PM: (http://www.airbroker.se/images/cargo/an22su.jpg)

Maybe an Antonov AN-22?
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Post by: Treize69 on December 21, 2005, 07:15:54 PM: Yeah, I pointed out all the ways it doesn't look like a B-24 to them. 4 bladed prop, turboprop engines, fuselage too wide, engine nacelles too deep, wing wrong proportions, tail WAY too wide...

The AN-22 was suggested, but the tail doesn't match, unless its been redesigned. The horizontal surfaces on the 22 extend past the vertical tails, but they don't on the pic I posted.

General concensus (among the non-superstitious) is that is a russian transport of some kind, but we can't find a definative answer.
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Post by: Treize69 on December 21, 2005, 08:29:06 PM: (http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/429/an220059wz.jpg)

Heres the AN-22 from a similar angle, notice the difference in tail assembly.
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Post by: BlckMgk on December 22, 2005, 12:14:20 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Holden McGroin
(http://www.airbroker.se/images/cargo/an22su.jpg)

Maybe an Antonov AN-22?

Yeah this does look like it, even from the angle Trieze posted.
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Post by: Treize69 on December 22, 2005, 12:24:09 AM: I'm thinking its a version with a redesigned tail assembly. Not only does the tail surface have a different look to it, but there is also some sort of a bump on the top, between the H-stabs. Thats not on the clearer image either.

Heck, if I didn't know better I'd almost think that it was a C-130 with a twin-tail. :-P
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Post by: Furball on December 22, 2005, 04:44:33 AM: Dont think it is a An-22, on the An-22 the horizontal stab sticks out either side of the vertical stabs

ok after actually reading the thread properly this has already been pointed out ;)
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Post by: Golfer on December 22, 2005, 10:04:03 AM: If it had 4 motors a good guess would be the AN-38 with retractable gear (which it does not have!)
(http://images.airliners.net/photos/middle/4/0/7/755704.jpg)

Looks more like a Herc with a modified tail than anything.
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Post by: ATA on December 22, 2005, 10:21:53 AM: It's AN13 or 18 i belive
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Post by: Treize69 on December 22, 2005, 11:39:10 AM: AN-13 has a c-130 typpe tail.
(http://www.liepaja-airport.lv/foto/25.jpg)

I'm unable to find anything on the AN-18 ATM.
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Post by: superpug1 on December 22, 2005, 12:38:51 PM: It eather russian, or a highly modified 130. the horizontal stab is in proportions 4 a herc, and i think the russians had an imitation 130.
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Post by: Vulcan on December 22, 2005, 03:10:09 PM: Fusalage is to square for a herc.
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Post by: *NDM*JohnnyX on December 22, 2005, 04:07:40 PM: Not a Herc, I live very close to a base full of 130s and that most definatly is not one.
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Post by: ATA on December 22, 2005, 06:20:32 PM: Ik its written in russian closer to the nose AN14(my mistake i've misread)

An-14 3.2K Clod/Pchelka - Twin-engined light STOL utility transport. Two 300 Ivchenko AI-14RF radial engines. About 300 built
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/N22/an_14.jpg)
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Post by: ATA on December 22, 2005, 06:28:46 PM: You know what,i'm not sure anymore could be an38 as well....
But number looks like 14 on oruginal picture.

An-38-100 52.2K - cargo/passenger (26 seats) short range liner. Development of An-28. International flight sertification passed in April'2000. Price USD4M. Production in Novosibirsk.
Modifications:
An-38-100 - Two US-born TPE-331-14GR engines 1500hp each or two TVD-20-03 (from Omsk) with AV-36-02 propellers (from Stupino). production by NAPO. Max take-off mass 9500kg (27 passengers). Range 900km at max load (400kg of fuel per hour). Max range 1790km at 1600kg of load (max fuel). Runway length 895m at max load on a single engine. Raw ground, snow, ice airfields are ok. Mountain airfield up to 2600m. Thermal conditions: -50°C to +45°C. Low noise. 30-minutes conversion to any of these variants: passenger, cargo, cargo/passenger. Extra versions: business, paratrooper transport, patrol, photo recce, geophysical, medical. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/N22/An-38-100.jpg)
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Post by: FUNKED1 on December 22, 2005, 06:36:18 PM: 4 engines guys
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Post by: Vulcan on December 22, 2005, 09:55:00 PM: Judging by the 4 bladed props, they don't look to be the contrarotating type on the AN-22, I'd guess it might some variant of an AN-10/12/13 ?
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Post by: ATA on December 23, 2005, 12:02:22 AM: 5 bladed props Vulcan
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Post by: FUNKED1 on December 23, 2005, 03:24:43 AM: C-130 + PhotoShop
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Post by: gatso on December 23, 2005, 11:26:27 AM: Nah, ATA they are def 4 bladed. Quite square like old Herc blades.

The tail config just screams Antonov. The only problem is, as already mentioned, the lack of any visable horizontal tail surface outside of the vertical surfaces.

I'm stumped.

Gatso
Title: What aircraft is this? (modern)
Post by: ATA on December 23, 2005, 11:40:03 AM: Quote
Originally posted by gatso
Nah, ATA they are def 4 bladed. Quite square like old Herc blades.

The tail config just screams Antonov. The only problem is, as already mentioned, the lack of any visable horizontal tail surface outside of the vertical surfaces.

I'm stumped.

Gatso

Guys you killing me,i dont know much about plains but...
I know that it is antonov becouse it's written AH-1?( last number i cant read/cant see)H stands for N in Russian.

And i can actualy count 5 blades,i dont know where the hell you see 4?
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Post by: gatso on December 23, 2005, 12:02:03 PM: I was talking about the original post. Thought you were too.

Gatso
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Post by: Treize69 on December 23, 2005, 12:06:15 PM: If it wasn't for the little bump on the top of the tail, I'd say it was definately photoshopped after searching the net for the last few days.

But one of the sites I hit mentioned a large Russian transport with twin tails and a Tail Gun, but has no pictures, and I couldn't find any pics of the type it listed. If it wasn't for that little shred of evidence, I'd suggest this guy was full of it.

EDIT- I now cant find the site again to list the reference I mentioned :(:cry
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Post by: Golfer on December 23, 2005, 12:13:29 PM: Quote
Originally posted by ATA
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/N22/755704re.jpg)
I dont know if this helps:)

I posted that picture as an example of what it is NOT ATA.

The original picture has 4 motors and 4 bladed props as well as retractable landing gear.

The antonov AN-38 (that is what i posted) has 2 motors, fixed gear but a similar tail.

Just trying to add some convection to this brainstorm.
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Post by: gatso on December 23, 2005, 12:27:38 PM: You know I think the most likely candidate is that its an AN-22 and its just coincidence that the blades of the props happen to be all crossing each other and the tail surfaces just happen not to be visable.

This pic is interesting for the bump on the aft tail that is visable on the original. Looks about right if maybe a little small..?

(http://www.nato.int/pictures/review/9901/b0500001.jpg)

Got me interested and its a slow day so I'll keep looking.

Gatso
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Post by: ATA on December 23, 2005, 12:50:24 PM: Sorry about that
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Post by: Hawklore on December 23, 2005, 07:27:50 PM: Perhaps it's photo edited..

:confused:
Title: What aircraft is this? (modern)
Post by: NUKE on December 23, 2005, 07:50:43 PM: looks like the V-22 Osprey to me.

End of discussion.

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/913818/v-22-osprey-01.jpg)
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Post by: Vulcan on December 23, 2005, 08:09:01 PM: <- points and laughs at Nuke.
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Post by: Holden McGroin on December 24, 2005, 12:05:41 AM: I think Gatso's obseravation of the little volleyball size bump in the center of the horizontal stabilizer clinches it as an AN-22 with a modified empannage.
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Post by: NUKE on December 24, 2005, 12:07:37 AM: nobody thought mine was funny? :D
Title: What aircraft is this? (modern)
Post by: Treize69 on January 14, 2006, 08:09:31 PM: (http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/5443/original2jk1.jpg)

Photoshop fake, he finally owned up.