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Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: StarOfAfrica2 on December 23, 2005, 12:40:26 AM
When it comes to M-1's I wouldnt know good from bad.  I'll show the pic, and copy the guy's ad thats selling it.  

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/bjdarrow/garandfull.jpg)

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For sale I have a Harrington and Richardson 30-06 M-1 Garand rifle. It is a post Korean War manufactored rifle in the 5.5 million serial number range. The receiver and barrel are both H&R. The barrel has a 3-55 date next to the receiver, but I don't see a date or markings on the muzzle end of the barrel. The Op-rod and bolt are both Springfield Armory and the trigger group is International Harvestor. The trigger and action has a very good parkerized finish. The muzzle and gas port, where it comes out of the front handguard, has a dark, almost black finish. I'm not sure why this is, but it matches well with the rifle. I had a gunsmith look at the bore and he said it looked fine to him. I don't know the muzzle or throat erosion. I have included a picture of a bullet in the muzzle, just so you can see.

The stock is in nice shape. It has the usual nicks and dings, but nothing that detracts from the overall appearance. The stock has the circle P stamp on the underside of the grip and the Department of Defense star and eagle stamp on the left hand side, behind the receiver. From what I have read, the stamping on the stock would be correct for the maunufaturer and serial number range. This rifle is an excellent shooter. It is extremely accurate and function has been perfect.

I would like $700 for the Garand and I will pay shipping.


Is it worth 700 bucks?
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: Yeager on December 23, 2005, 12:58:59 AM
fediddleing Garand: Buy
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: VOR on December 23, 2005, 01:04:55 AM
700 is a fair price.
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: Holden McGroin on December 23, 2005, 03:08:29 AM
Go ahead and buy it.  If you want a second opinion, you're ugly too.
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: Blooz on December 23, 2005, 05:13:38 AM
I think $700 is a bit high for a used Garand.

If it was brand new it'd be worth that much easy.

If it had all the accesories like sling, cleaning equipment, bayonet, extra clips and maybe some ammo you might go $700.

I'd say $400 tops.
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: VOR on December 23, 2005, 05:15:37 AM
If you know of a functional Garand for $400, please email me. ;)
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: Dago on December 23, 2005, 07:24:33 AM
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Originally posted by VOR
If you know of a functional Garand for $400, please email me. ;)


Me too.
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: storch on December 23, 2005, 09:17:43 AM
me three.  $700 is a fair price.
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: Masherbrum on December 23, 2005, 09:23:37 AM
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Originally posted by Blooz
I think $700 is a bit high for a used Garand.

I'd say $400 tops.


Crack killz.   $700 for this Garand is a steal, imo.

Karaya
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: Hornet33 on December 23, 2005, 09:35:30 AM
That’s not a bad price at all. The only reason it is going that cheap is due to the mix of parts on the weapon. If the barrel, receiver, trigger group and bolt were all from the same manufacturer, it would go for an easy $1000 or better. Mixed parts are no big deal if you are going to do allot of shooting with it. Reliability is what you are looking for in a shooter. If you want a collector grade Garrand this isn't it.

But yeah for $700 I'd take it in a heart beat.
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Post by: lazs2 on December 23, 2005, 10:03:11 AM
It looks like the parkerizing is in good shape.  The HR is not the most valuable of the garands but it is certainly as good as ny other and a better made gun than the winchesters in my opinion... since it is a late gun it has all the improvements... most garands have been rebuilt at the arsenal so it is rare to see one with a bad barrel.

CMP will sell you a garand that is not as nice for $450 but you have to belong to the program.  

Street price for that garand is probly $700-1100

lazs
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Post by: Hangtime on December 23, 2005, 10:16:10 AM
Itsa good deal. Good shooter no doubt. Would be happier with a throat and mussle erosion guage value, but even with nearly shot out numbers it'd still be a decent price for a mixed bag Garand.

Bear in mind that prices on firearms are always trending up. It'll hold or increase (adjusted for inflation) it's street value price forever.. after it's outlawed, it's value on the street will quadruple.

Big factor.. always buy from a private party face to face with no paper trail if possible. The longer the weapon stays outta the 'documented' loop the more likey it will remain in your possession defending your family in the future.
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Post by: GtoRA2 on December 23, 2005, 10:20:36 AM
Its a good deal.

You cant even get a service grade Garand From CMP for 400$.


Go to the Fulton-Armory page (http://www.fulton-armory.com/FAQ.htm)


Read the section on rewelded recievers.


Have the owner take it apart and look the reciver over using the FAQ as a guide, if it is a reweld, do not buy it.

If it is not a reweld, buy it and shoot the **** out of it, they are the most fun in a WW2 rifle you can find!
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: StarOfAfrica2 on December 23, 2005, 12:09:43 PM
Thanks for the info!  Unfortunately the gun has to be shipped here, so it will have to go through a FFL.  No choice about the paper trail.  I have talked to the guy who owns it, and he has several, he just doesnt need that many.  He's getting ready to retire and wants to focus on real collectible stuff.  This one he used for WWII re-enactments because he didnt mind if it got dinged up.  He couldnt give any grouping info, but said he never has any problem plinking with it out to 100 yards.  Not real informational, I know, but if it hits what he aims at that far away, I'm guessing it would group ok.  He is offering a 3 day trial, so I am really considering buying it.  I normally trend towards bolt actions in rifles, just as a personal preference, but my grandfather always swore the M-1 was the best rifle he had ever used in the war, and I've heard alot of good things about them here too.  I'll decide today.  I have a few toys I'm considering.  The wife is being lenient right now because of the holiday and letting me buy one.
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: GtoRA2 on December 23, 2005, 01:44:28 PM
You will fall in love with it.

You may want to look into CMP, you could get a service grade from them I think for 500 or 600 bucks.


You have to be part of a CMP asociated club, but you may already be with the cowboy shooting. You also have to have shot in a match of some kind, they list what works on their site.

Once you meet the requirments, they ship it right to your house no FFL needed.

I plan on ordering two after Xmas.

Link to the CMP site (http://www.odcmp.com/)

Click on the sales link and the top of the page will have links to any requirments.
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: Hangtime on December 23, 2005, 07:13:51 PM
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Thanks for the info!  Unfortunately the gun has to be shipped here, so it will have to go through a FFL.  No choice about the paper trail.  I have talked to the guy who owns it, and he has several, he just doesnt need that many.  He's getting ready to retire and wants to focus on real collectible stuff.  This one he used for WWII re-enactments because he didnt mind if it got dinged up.  He couldnt give any grouping info, but said he never has any problem plinking with it out to 100 yards.  Not real informational, I know, but if it hits what he aims at that far away, I'm guessing it would group ok.  He is offering a 3 day trial, so I am really considering buying it.  I normally trend towards bolt actions in rifles, just as a personal preference, but my grandfather always swore the M-1 was the best rifle he had ever used in the war, and I've heard alot of good things about them here too.  I'll decide today.  I have a few toys I'm considering.  The wife is being lenient right now because of the holiday and letting me buy one.


Be real sure your local FFL dealer will accept a weapon from a 'private party' for transfer. Turned into a REAL drag here.. every single one around here would not do paper for a weapon unless it came from a FFL dealer.

Once you have it, invent a paper trail of disposition for the rifle in a timely fashion. And find a very secure place to 'store' it when it's not with you at the range. ;)

Good luck.. you'll love it immensely; Garands are the Schiznit.  :aok
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: lasersailor184 on December 23, 2005, 08:35:32 PM
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CMP will sell you a garand that is not as nice for $450 but you have to belong to the program.


CMP will sell you a dirty rifle.


Doesn't mean you are forbidden from cleaning it up.  9/10 the rifle underneath all the dirt will be better than that one you are showing.

Both of my CMP garands are beautiful after cleaning them up.  They'd sell for easily 1k$.
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: *NDM*JohnnyX on December 23, 2005, 10:41:27 PM
If you dont buy it for 700 I will.
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: lazs2 on December 24, 2005, 10:18:12 AM
I really enjoy my garand.... I have never been a fan of rifles.... Have shot handguns all my life but...

The garand got me into rifles.... I even reload for it.  I have owned 760 remingtons and pre 70 winchesters and brownings and 22-250 varmit rifles and "assault" guns but...

have sold em all over the years...  My garand was a lucky find for  $400 and I really enjoy shooting it.   I am using 4895 powder and working up loads since surplus ought six is drying up.
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: *NDM*JohnnyX on December 24, 2005, 11:27:39 AM
I'm looking to purchase a MAK-90 sometime after the 1st. Very wonderful gun to shoot and nothing beats the look of the AK variants.

I know, I know, it's commie blah blah, but they really are nice firearms.
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: Hawklore on December 24, 2005, 11:48:43 AM
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Originally posted by Dago
Me too.


Me 3...

$600.00 sounds like a good deal 1k is what brand new reproductions go for.
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: GtoRA2 on December 24, 2005, 08:01:44 PM
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Originally posted by *NDM*JohnnyX
I'm looking to purchase a MAK-90 sometime after the 1st. Very wonderful gun to shoot and nothing beats the look of the AK variants.

I know, I know, it's commie blah blah, but they really are nice firearms.


Coming from someone who owned a MaK-90, find a better AK, the chinese MAK 90 I owned was a POS.

I had a 6 inch .357 magnum revolver outgroup it at 100 yards.
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: StarOfAfrica2 on December 24, 2005, 09:17:53 PM
He came down to 650.  Will be on its way Tuesday morning to my FFL.  Local guy does them for 20 bucks, he does around 30 transfers per month.  That funds his regular trips to the big shows on the mainland.  

:)
Title: Gun collectors, opinion please
Post by: GtoRA2 on December 24, 2005, 09:33:21 PM
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
He came down to 650.  Will be on its way Tuesday morning to my FFL.  Local guy does them for 20 bucks, he does around 30 transfers per month.  That funds his regular trips to the big shows on the mainland.  

:)


Congrats Star!!


You are going to love it!!

I picked up my M1A today, some pics in my thread on it!:D


Merry Christmas!!