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Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: lada on December 23, 2005, 09:20:58 AM
Well... i guess that it makes Italy a "terrorist supporter" and they will appear on "to liberate" list.

http://newswww.bbc.net.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4555660.stm

Anyway it will be fun to watch this event.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: Masherbrum on December 23, 2005, 09:22:31 AM
So how is Russia fairing without the Oil for Food kickbacks lada?  

Karaya
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: Monk on December 23, 2005, 10:00:53 AM
Good for the CIA.  We need to get away from the looking from the space intel and get back to the on the street work.

Oh ya..........as if the Italians will find them.  They aready have been flown across Europe with Air America under the Europeans noses with full compliments of the Euro governments to the dismay of the great and caring euro population.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: StSanta on December 23, 2005, 10:28:14 AM
I think that's a pretty accurate assessment Monk.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: lada on December 23, 2005, 10:45:54 AM
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
So how is Russia fairing without the Oil for Food kickbacks lada?  

Karaya


well .. sorry but i didnt get it. Hows russia related with this theme ?

Well Monk. If you belive, that purpose of this was to catch few american idiots, then you should use your brain a bit.

Do you think that it will affect attitude of public towards US ?

Lets wait whats going to happen in other affected countries.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: Monk on December 23, 2005, 10:58:22 AM
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Originally posted by lada

Well Monk. If you belive, that purpose of this was to catch few american idiots, then you should use your brain a bit.
I'll try.  Thank you.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: Yeager on December 23, 2005, 12:49:02 PM
Ex-US Secretary of State Colin Powell has indicated that Europeans are being disingenuous when they deny knowledge of the rendition of terror suspects.

http://newswww.bbc.net.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4538788.stm
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My 20 yr old niece is visiting europe with her boyfriend right now.  She says most europeans she meets treat her like crap once they realize she is american.

Its a shame, shes a good kid.  Getting one hell of an education in political science, thats for sure.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: CyranoAH on December 23, 2005, 02:11:09 PM
What country is she visiting? Doesn't sound like anyplace I know.

Daniel
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: Yeager on December 23, 2005, 05:00:30 PM
She went to visit her cousine who is an exchange student in Scottland.  From there she and her BF went to france and were in germany when we heard back that they were being treated pretty poorly by the people they were meeting.  She is a sweetheart and adorably cute so I doubt she is coming off as a typical fat ignorant american.  I guess they were planning on visiting a bunch of countries over there during the next 3 weeks.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: mora on December 23, 2005, 05:26:22 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
My 20 yr old niece is visiting europe with her boyfriend right now.  She says most europeans she meets treat her like crap once they realize she is american.

I can confirm that it happens very often. I've witnessed it many times while travelling in Europe. But I think most people giving her that crap are not locals, but other travellers.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: cpxxx on December 23, 2005, 10:39:14 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
My 20 yr old niece is visiting europe with her boyfriend right now. She says most europeans she meets treat her like crap once they realize she is american.


My experience of the French in France is that they treat everyone like crap when they find out you're an English speaker. I was treated rudely when I was there. They treat you like crap even when they visit your country. lol  Can't speak for Germany but have heard stories. You can't say 'most Europeans'.  She has only been in France and Germany. Did she say she was treated like crap in Scotland? I doubt it somehow. Europe is not a country but a continent of countries each with it's own culture and peoples.  The two mentioned have been historically noted as having an attitude problems to foreigners.  

I hope she doesn't visit two countries and then come home with the impression that everyone in Europe hates Americans. There are 48 countries in Europe. Germany and France only represent themselves.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: Eagler on December 23, 2005, 11:29:04 PM
don't see why one would waste their time over there when we have everything here and it is bigger  & better .....

then again some ppl like the bahamas, even after they have visited the place :)
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 24, 2005, 02:26:09 AM
Yep the French are famous for treating non-french speakers with extreme arrogance. And that has nothing to do with being an American, I would get the same treatment european or not. The germans are also arrogant but so far I've met only nice people from there.

Send your niece in here and I'll show her a warm hearted welcome. :D
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: wipass on December 24, 2005, 02:57:21 AM
yeager that's crap,

The only race the Scottish treat like that is the English
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: mora on December 24, 2005, 03:15:34 AM
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Originally posted by Eagler
don't see why one would waste their time over there when we have everything here and it is bigger  & better .....

I doubt anyone goes there for burgers and SUV's...
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 24, 2005, 10:21:56 PM
And btw I find it totally logical that they put a warrant on the agents.

Even if the persons they captured were indeed guilty and bad, if agents of another nation covertly operate inside another country against its laws AND without the co-operation of the government they have no other choice.

How would you feel, lada, if the CIA would operate inside your country and capture whoever the US government saw fit for their own needs? No wait, weren't you ex commie occupant? Then you'd be used to that.. by the soviets.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: Yeager on December 25, 2005, 03:15:15 AM
I undertsand her time in the UK was very pleasent.  She loved Scottland.  It was after they crossed the channel that they ran into bad tudes.  Anway...its all heresay from other family members.  I havent talked to her since she left.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: lada on December 25, 2005, 05:34:15 AM
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Originally posted by Yeager

My 20 yr old niece is visiting europe with her boyfriend right now.  She says most europeans she meets treat her like crap once they realize she is american.
 


Well... just a short story. I had 3 costumers of US origin.
1st of them used services and run away w/o paying.
2nd of them agreed terms while he were in troubles and later on he didnt pay and pretended "dead beat". In 9 months he called back an apologize... still didnt pay.
3rd of them used to learn our language and he is fair guy. I never had problems with him.


Well... its not much people in total, but next time i will meet another potencial  costumer of US origin, i will expect him to be "not trusted".


Belive me or not, but US and US citizens are the only one who are responsible for their image overhere.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: lada on December 25, 2005, 05:38:52 AM
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Originally posted by Yeager
I undertsand her time in the UK was very pleasent.  She loved Scottland.  It was after they crossed the channel that they ran into bad tudes.


Because she came to non-english speaking country ?
Does she speak any other language ?
(lol im trying to imagine 2 young english speaking dweebs somewhere in the France :D )

Sorry Straffo, but even local are speaking about dozen of funny stories about "english in france" :)
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: lada on December 25, 2005, 05:46:29 AM
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]

How would you feel, lada, if the CIA would operate inside your country and capture whoever the US government saw fit for their own needs? No wait, weren't you ex commie occupant? Then you'd be used to that.. by the soviets.


That would finaly proof that our goverment is in serious need of several well made charges. I would move to another country and change nationality, because i would shame for sutch poor licking of someones "butt".

And yes... CIA would diserve few charges as well.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: GreenCloud on December 25, 2005, 01:22:45 PM
lada that is complete crap..but when you say it enuff you will beleive it..

unless you go and do more investigations on your own...you read the socialst left wing CRAAAAPpp of newspapers over Europe..


YA we are responsible for our image over there???...

PLEEAASEE..YA we kill babies and bomb civilians.....what a bunch of crap

Its your crapazz news papers that CONTINUOSLY BASH USA..

No worries..

Like France and the other "people"

"There always there when they need us"
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: Vad on December 25, 2005, 03:16:25 PM
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Yep the French are famous for treating non-french speakers with extreme arrogance. And that has nothing to do with being an American, I would get the same treatment european or not. The germans are also arrogant but so far I've met only nice people from there.

 


Funny but I would say that being  Russian I had no problem in France. Show them  that you are speaking some other language than English, try to use few French words and phrases even with terrible pronunciation, and in the most cases you will get no problems at all.

Some advices:
 - Never ask ketchup.
 - Never try to pay by dollars
 - Limit using credit card in restaurants and cafes, and always pay tips in cash.
 - Never order cola or beer in restaurants, ask wine even if you hate wine.
 - Never hasten waitress, wait your order and the bill patiently. It will take time...
 - If you are English speaking speak low.
 - Leave American Express at home, they don't know what is it.

Some advices for visiting Finland:

 - Never speak Russian.
 - Never try to speak Finnish, avoid Swedish, use English or French.
 - Never use Russian credit cards even in supermarkets, use cash or cards issued by Western banks.
 - Leave American Express at home, only gas stations know what is it.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: Nilsen on December 25, 2005, 03:29:02 PM
:O :O :O :noid :noid :furious :furious :huh :huh :cry
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: Vad on December 25, 2005, 03:42:15 PM
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Originally posted by Nilsen
:O :O :O :noid :noid :furious :furious :huh :huh :cry


Very impressive....
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: Jackal1 on December 25, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
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Originally posted by lada
Well... just a short story. I had 3 costumers of US origin.
 



What kind of costumes were they making for you?
I find that most of those in the Halloween costume business are pretty straight up, but some of those making Mardi Gras costumes are using inferior material.


Wheeew man......arrest warrants from the Italians must really have the CIA shaking in their boots.











:)
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: straffo on December 26, 2005, 03:47:55 AM
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Originally posted by Yeager

My 20 yr old niece is visiting europe with her boyfriend right now.  She says most europeans she meets treat her like crap once they realize she is american.

Its a shame, shes a good kid.  Getting one hell of an education in political science, thats for sure.



You send us a US  political officer and expect a warm welcome ?

How wrong is it ...
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: straffo on December 26, 2005, 03:50:51 AM
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Originally posted by lada

Sorry Straffo, but even local are speaking about dozen of funny stories about "english in france" :)


Certainly, had your friends tried Czech instead of english  it would have been better :)

Btw I thing Vad nailled it !
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: Monk on December 26, 2005, 05:38:21 AM
No, I think not going to France is a better solution.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: moot on December 26, 2005, 05:47:33 AM
Don't follow Vad's advice; except for the AE credit card bit, although I know some french relatives who manage having one.
And the paying in dollars bit.. duh.

Just do what you want, and if someone gives you **** for not acting/looking/feeling french, rub it in some more without actually doing anything rude... eventually, they'll backpedal and the only thing they'll hold against you is that "you made them mad".

Enjoy what the country has to offer, and when you've had enough, leave.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 26, 2005, 06:58:51 AM
Hey we're so friendly here in finland that if we hear a russian speaking customer we immediately give a free shopping companion! A shopping mall detective that is.. :D
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: Vad on December 26, 2005, 12:01:13 PM
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Hey we're so friendly here in finland that if we hear a russian speaking customer we immediately give a free shopping companion! A shopping mall detective that is.. :D


Yes, but you are becoming more and more inhospitable now days. Last time I was in Helsinki half of the customers in Stockmann on Mannerheim avenue were Russians, and it was hard to find even shop assistant needless to say about police officer or mall detective!

Terrible quality of service! I had to shoplift two huge bags to support good Russian tradition,  and nobody offered me help to carry them to the car! Where is your hospitality!?
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: rshubert on December 26, 2005, 12:47:08 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
My 20 yr old niece is visiting europe with her boyfriend right now.  She says most europeans she meets treat her like crap once they realize she is american.

Its a shame, shes a good kid.  Getting one hell of an education in political science, thats for sure.


I am frankly surprised.  The wifey and I just got back from two weeks in Britain, and found the people there to be unfailingly polite, friendly, and just...all around nice.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: mora on December 26, 2005, 01:01:57 PM
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Originally posted by Vad
Yes, but you are becoming more and more inhospitable now days. Last time I was in Helsinki half of the customers in Stockmann on Mannerheim avenue were Russians, and it was hard to find even shop assistant needless to say about police officer or mall detective!

Yep, gone are the good old '90s and the "Only one Russian at a time!" signs.
Title: some EU countries still surprise me
Post by: Vad on December 26, 2005, 01:34:45 PM
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Originally posted by mora
Yep, gone are the good old '90s and the "Only one Russian at a time!" signs.


Yea, everything deteriorates with time....
I remeber 1993 when I was only one Russian in King's Kakadu.... In 1998 it was hard to find anybody there who speaks Finnish...

Now looks like it is closed forever. Have no idea what I would do in Helsinki now.