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ok after extensive research you guys tell me what is 1)the best buff killer 2) THE BEST ANGLES 3) and who does this the best and why????
then ill tell you what i have learned from spending to much time in the dam laser taggers:D
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Originally posted by tatertot
ok after extensive research you guys tell me what is 1)the best buff killer 2) THE BEST ANGLES 3) and who does this the best and why????
then ill tell you what i have learned from spending to much time in the dam laser taggers:D
i find straight down from 1.5k/2k and start shooting at 800 out leading the bomber.... set convergence to 600... i usually try for the wing and pass through or behind the plane and pull up back to 2k above the plane and repeat..
easiest would be with 190a8 but very successful with pony (ive killed 8 bombers in one sortie).
but when i try this with 999000 i usually can get 2 bombers before he gets me... :aok
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No 50cal armed plane is best for bomber busting. 190s are... okay... but the MG151s truly lack in hitting power. I unloaded my entire 500 rounds of 20mm from a 190F-8 into a single lancaster, and i'm not kidding -- he wasn't even smoking. Somebody else got the kill.
You can do it in anything with 2x20mm, but it's best if there are 4x20mm. Faster is better so you can overtake and reposition as you desire. Probably one of the best is the typh (speed and guns) but I've had some success with the Ta152 (2x20mm 1x30mm) and the chog (adequate speed, good firepower). Those are the "best" for it
That being said, anything with 20mms will do, as long as you're fast enough to get in, fire guns, and get out. Ki84 suffers in this area because it's slow, for example.
You want the BEST angle? Well, slightly high and dead ahead. But that angle is hard to get. If you land it you get an instant cockpit shot and POOF. Realistically? Oh, I'd say extreme high/low shots are best, but extreme high shots are harder to shoot back for the bombers and easier for you to get away (you're faster), but naturally that's if you have the alt to begin with.
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BEST PLANE Tempest - It has the climb and speed to get up to high buffs and of course, 4 Hizookas.
BEST ANGLE Any forward quarter angle. It's the tuffest shot for a buff gunner.
WHO DOES IT BEST The guy with the most patience. If you don't have the patience to properly set up your pass, you will end up dead 6 <--bad spot to be in.
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110G2
190A8
Mossi
tiffy
tempest (if you like spending perks)
262 (if you like spending perks)
P38
P47
N1k
Basicly anything with more than 1 cannon or alot of 50 cals. :)
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Originally posted by Morpheus
110G2
190A8
Mossi
tiffy
tempest (if you like spending perks)
262 (if you like spending perks)
P38
P47
N1k
Basicly anything with more than 1 cannon or alot of 50 cals. :)
wow .. good list...
surprise not to see the pony d on it...
patients is the key.. especially in the pony... i mean climb above them.. you usually have the fuel to fly with them for a while.. if you come in co alt to them... your dead meat..
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My personal record is 15 buff kills in one sorte with a P47 (8 .50cal selected). If I'm specifically going buff hunting I take a Jug. But it is not so hard to land quite a few buff kills in a Pony or F6F either.
Regardless of the plane, my tactic is to attack from 1.5-2k above; dive in about 45 deg angle; aim for wing root (I usually lead by putting the pipper on the cockpit); use a good dedicated stream of fire (2sec); once the buff is on fire, zoom back to alt and attack again once the buff you just attacked has exploded (fewer guns to shoot back).
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Buffs are easy kills as long as you approach with speed from steep angles and aim for the cockpit, then they burst like bubbles.
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F4U-1C for me, at least this tour.
I attack them the same way navajoboy described, however a head on pass usually works, espaecially if you have friends helping. It seems most buff drivers are more aware of their 6 than they are of there 12 o'clock positions.
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i would agree with the head on angles,guess it depends another good approach is fron 3 0r 9 oclock position,seems the guys who take a 45 degree angle approch works well,temp 190a8,and f4s are very tuff kills from guns in my opinion.wing tips dont fall apart as fast.
Thats my key at least i aim for wingtips and make a slow spray across span of plane
not sure how 999000 does it seems he gets more pilot wounds than i do
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if i make a gun cam film tonight can anyone post it for me ??? might explain what we see
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My favourite buff tagger (and only one I attack buffs that aren't AFK in) is hte 262. I won't go near any of the B-series buffs in anything else (skurred). I like to be doing about 500mph by the time I get to them, and I come in at a really high angle. Nearly perpendicular and above, but coming in a little from behind, so the spuds get a nice rake across the buffs. That, or if they've got enough alt, dive below them (like 3k range below them), get a bit ahead, then pull straight up and shoot for the belly. That can be kinda dicey (I've rammed lots of buffs doin that :p), but you'll never get shot.
Pretty much any head-on angle works well too, but they tend to take longer to set up, especially if you're not in a jet.
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Originally posted by mars01
Buffs are easy kills as long as you approach with speed from steep angles and aim for the cockpit, then they burst like bubbles.
Yup, that's what I do, dive straight down on the cockpit. Lead bomber first so the pilot is disoriented re-jumping to a drone gun after his lead plane dies and can't shoot you on the way out from your pass...Typhoon/Tempest of Jug is best...
Zazen
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Ok i fly buffs in AH as a career...check the sig why.
The best buff killer is the 109G-14 cause of its cannons and also speed to get in front of the bomber quickly to set up his attack. Also 110s,N1K,262s,163s, and La5s and 7s.
The best angle is from the front upper left or right corners of the bomber. Aim for the wings. Also aonther good attack is from the side., its a good way to get all 3 bombers in 1 pass.NEVER EVER ATTACK FROM THE 6!!! U WILL DIE!!thats how i kill 262s so much
:D
The best pilot is the smartess there is no better pilot than anyone else that can do this better.The smart ones will follow these tatics and not get killed. Paticence is a VERY KEY FACTOR!!. Look guys to whom are impatcient, those bombers AINT GOIN ANY WHERE!! take ur time and u will not die and they will.
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The bomber ain't going anywhere? I beg to differ. If the bomber is trying to shut your field down you need to press the attack. If the bomber is going to eject 3x in a row after dropping his bombs (happens a LOT lately, lot of retards out there) then there's a need to press the attack as well.
Patience is a virtue, yes, but so is shooting the othey guy down before he can do these things. I'll suffer a little damage happily as long as I kill 2 or 3 of the buggers in the process.
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Originally posted by tatertot
if i make a gun cam film tonight can anyone post it for me ??? might explain what we see
i will..:D
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alright skychimp ill be on 11 pm eastern time we can hook up if you like might even let you kill me :lol like i can kill you anyway let me know
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Originally posted by tatertot
alright skychimp ill be on 11 pm eastern time we can hook up if you like might even let you kill me :lol like i can kill you anyway let me know
Ok ill be on about 8pm ct and ill wait (and fly) ;)
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:aok :noid gotta let me kill ya once though uno for the film lol
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anyone else wanna join in we could do it in the da ill get 999000 to join film could be studied and his k/d ratio would drop wait it sux already o well everyone could learn from this type of practice
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Originally posted by navajoboy
wow .. good list...
surprise not to see the pony d on it...
patients is the key.. especially in the pony... i mean climb above them.. you usually have the fuel to fly with them for a while.. if you come in co alt to them... your dead meat..
PonyD is ok, but its only just ok.
I can open up and saw a buff in half from 800+ in a 38 because of its nose guns. PonyD wont do nearly as good as a 38 will from that distance. I like to get the job done sooner and further out. 38 gives you the tools to do that. As does the mossi, and the 110, both of which have nose mounted guns.
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I just got a pilot wound from 999. I'm not even in the game and only looking at BBS, but I'm blacking out already. How does he do that?
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Originally posted by Krusty
No 50cal armed plane is best for bomber busting. .
Not quite true. The 4x .50 calibers on the P-38 are sufficient enough to take down a bomber formation or two.
ack-ack
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I don't know if it is the best, but I have the most fun chasing buffs in a 163. :aok
In fact the 163 is my favorite airplane in AH2, it is really fast, very very nimble, and just downright fun.:aok :aok
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Originally posted by Krusty
No 50cal armed plane is best for bomber busting. 190s are... okay... but the MG151s truly lack in hitting power. I unloaded my entire 500 rounds of 20mm from a 190F-8 into a single lancaster, and i'm not kidding -- he wasn't even smoking. Somebody else got the kill.
That being said, anything with 20mms will do, as long as you're fast enough to get in, fire guns, and get out. Ki84 suffers in this area because it's slow, for example.
You want the BEST angle? Well, slightly high and dead ahead. But that angle is hard to get. .
I disagree with the 4 - 50's in the nose of a P-38. The lethality of these 4 guns in the nose, IMO, is better than 6 - wing mounted .50's. Not to mention, the 20mm cannon.
If you poured THAT MUCH into a Lanc, you put a ton of it into the fuselage. Never aim for the fuselage, it absorbs rounds (MG and Cannon) like a sponge. If not, your connection may have been lagging, that just seems odd.
Personally, I fine the best method is HO'ing them (it worked for the JG26 in WWII and it works in here). From underneath is easy as well. Ask 999000 about the number of HO's I have won against his formations.
Karaya
PS - Krusty, I ain't picking on you, please don't take it like that.
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rolex wish i could figure it out myself matter of fact 4 yrs ago i got tired of being killed by him so i joined his squad at the time been like a brother to me ever since maybe i get him in the da and film it so we can all figure his tactics out
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Originally posted by Morpheus
110G2
190A8
Mossi
tiffy
tempest (if you like spending perks)
262 (if you like spending perks)
P38
P47
N1k
Basicly anything with more than 1 cannon or alot of 50 cals. :)
Forgot two. The Me-163 and the Ta-152. Both of these shred buffs to confetti.
Karaya
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Nose guns are pretty much always going to be superior to wing mounted guns for buff killing. The only way to make the wing guns equivalent would be to sit at your convergence setting away from the buff. Since being a stationary target is suicide, nose guns are better since you effectively have a much longer firing window where your convergence puts all the bullets together into 1 tiny little spot. This is why the P-38's can be much more effective buff hunters than PonyD's, even if you run out of 20mm early on.
I just use cannons.
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Originally posted by Lan784
If u can figure out whats on my avatar you win!!
Is it........................... ... brooook?
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Tatertot; your avatard is making me hungry!!!!!!!!!!! Stoppppppp it!!!!!!! :mad:
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tater,
had a successful 4 kill sortie of B-24's in a P51b the other night, only took a few bullet holes , no control or any other type of damage. was Repoman, betty and a bunch of other B-24's heading S.
I used what Mars & Zazen described, diving/slashing attacks from steep angles off the 9 or 3 oclock high side aiming for the front portion of the cockpit or at a wing-root.......
was fun til ammo ran out.......
as for ya ?'s, well I say the 109 with the 30mm or the P38 or Jugs with 8 50's
as to who is best, well I really wouldn't have a clue........
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TC,
What about a chog? It seems like they would be great buff shredders.
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Two of ya added P38 to my list. Okay I have to agree it's GOOD for it, due to nose mounted guns. Once the 20mm runs dry, though, you lose half your firepower. While I have popped bombers easily with the nose guns on a 38, I will not put it in the "best" category, but it is a good one.
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Did any1 mention the K-4? :)
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Don't know what I can add been killed by everyone with everything..including trees and mountains!..Betty says my name..I dead ..any of the UNFORGIVEN look my way my B17 immediatly burst into flames! Ak's take my cookies my formation explodes!..but it all doesn't matter..what matters is I"m a MEMBER OF THE SHEGOTYA FAN CLUB!...so everything is good!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously I agree the "shawk" attack dropping like a rock is best!!!..tough to even get a few hits on this kind of attack! I disagre with the HO on a buff don't mind that attack at all unless it again is a high 12 attack..that tough again.
One thing not talked about is a coordinated attack by two or more fighters ..this again is very tough..and to survive takes good SA, luck ,and ability to hit a fighter on the way out from the bomber attack
999000
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i agree 999000,as in fighters i suppose the ability to judge were the attack will come from is a major key to sucess.if you can judge or forsee the approach a attack will come from is key.also 2 attackers at once is very hard t o defend when 2 squad mates its even worse.As far as shawks stlye i dont even shoot untill the angle is in my sights it is worthless usualy has to much speed to get enough hits to kill.
\btw i still say hitech has given 999000 guided 50 calls every other round:D
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We practised this A LOT for Ruhr scenario.
The best attack was high 2 a clock, high speed and aiming cockpit or wingtips. Wingtips were best because all bombers were B17's.
My squadron flew 109's with only 1 30mm gun and we did quite well if I remember right.. Now I would take 3x 20mm's because 30mm has lost its power....
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Originally posted by tatertot
ok after extensive research you guys tell me what is 1)the best buff killer 2) THE BEST ANGLES 3) and who does this the best and why????
then ill tell you what i have learned from spending to much time in the dam laser taggers:D
well to be honest, the attack is different for every bomber.
the most important thing is to know thy enemy. if you even have a fleeting thought it is 999000 or tatertot you must change your attack. :aok
usually though you need to feel out the bomber, see if he is watching, see if he knows what he is doing, all that. depending on what i find out, i may just zoom through in the rear quarter for the first attack, but be as fast as possible, not even shooting.
one thing you can do is tell if the gunner can even follow you, the other is see if he can aim.
now i DO NOT recommend this with most bombers, it is just something i have done in the past. this "zoom through" not only feels out the enemy, but sets up the next attack.
as i pass though i start a medium G pull up (3-4G's) watching out the rear of the plane the whole time. i do a 1/4 roll, and start a gentel turn to the right or left (depending on where i came in from) if i came in from high left i usually exit high right.
this should put you in the about 2 oclock, and about D2.0k above slightly in front of the bomber formation. i do not reverse until a minium of ICON range 2.0k or further away from the bomber.
if you do this right you should be slow, and 3/4 inverted looking at the formation.
with a quick rudder snap stall you can change direction right at the bomber without him seeing clearly the attitude change (unless he has a great video card and is zoomed in on you 100%)
from that point i do a wepped dive at the nose of the lead bomber. i keep the bomber just in the sight until about D800 then pull the nose so the bomber is just below the cowl, and fire fire fire. (you usually end up comming in from about 4 oclock but almost directly above the bombers)
after about 1/2 second of firing pull up like before only to the other side this time.
if you aimed this right and dove in correctly you should have at minium killed the top turret on the lead, wounded or killed the pilot (lead bomber dead) or done serious damage to the forward wing root.
you wont have the E to get as high as before so extend more in the horizontal keeping speed and as much E as possible.
i usually go into a slow climb banking so i see the bomber out my look back right. once the bomber is off your 3 tighten the turn, comming in from high 11 of the bomber.
as he see's you comming break off the attack @ D1.2 pulling up to your left and you should be able to reset to the first attack position.
doing the "fakey" attack made him waste some ammo, and helped you see how trained of an eye on you he has.
all this i used to do in the 190D so different planes need different tactics but thats just 1 simple idea of how i went about killing 999000 all those times :aok :p
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Originally posted by 999000
and ability to hit a fighter on the way out from the bomber attack
999000
if you remember... most of the times you damaged me was on the outbound of a slash attack (which always pissed me off something fierce ROFL)
very very few bomber gunners can do that, and i partially rely on that in some of my attacks :aok
<> bros 999000 / King of the Potato snacks!
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im gonna print out that attack senerio mustaine if you dont mind id like to try it on 999 in the da :noid
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depending on the buff 999 is way better at hitting fighters on the out ,i on the other hand can do it better in the side guns nothing like pinging a guy and watching him jerk to the right freaking out lol
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o and another thing to consider a good buff gunner can jump gun to gun and hit at every angle ino ino it is a defanite disadvantage to you fighter guys imo but isnt that how to play the scenerio out no what your plane/buff/gv is designed or can or cannot do ???
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I set my run up much like what Mustaine describes, but I use a couple variations depending on how tough I think they are going to be. I usually am in a F4U-1, so I've had to learn to make the most of my .50s. My aim is a bit off recently due to so much rust, but I'm getting back into the groove.
If I'm not overly concerned by the gunnery skills of the buff pilot, I take up a 2 o'clock position above and slightly behind the formation, around 2k to 3k out. I make a slow aileron roll over and keep the nose where I can just see the front of the lead bomber, WEP on and then at 1000 yards I nose down under the bomber, fishtail a bit to throw off any guns, and aim for the engines. B24s are the easiest, they burst into flames right off. B17s and B26s will smoke, but take some work to get flames. I keep pouring the fire into the engines until I'm about to ram them, then kick the rudders over hard and roll under them, pulling up in front of the formation and climbing back up to about 2k above the formation where I set up a recurring loop attack until the bombers change direction or I run out of E. Once I have flames on one bomber, I can sit back and wait for it to go BOOM on its own before starting on the next one. Let the fire do the hard work for me.
If I had to fight to even get into an attack position, I try to be a bit more wary of the pilot. I'll set up at least 3k out and use the "zoom through", targeting the cockpit area and the engines of the lead buff and then getting some distance to judge response. Again, I'm trying for just enough damage to either make the plane difficult to fly or make it go BOOM all on its own. I'll usually alternate sides I attack from if the gunnery skills seem above average, and use rudder alot to throw off my direction a bit as I come in.
Easiest bombers to kill have to be Lancs. Next would be B24s. Hardest to kill would be either the B17 or the B26. I hate attacking those things. Most of all though, I hate attacking Ju88s. Not because they are so tough really, or that the guns are so great, because they have big blind spots. It just seems like the guys I run into that fly them are good gunners that know how to make the most of their ride, and I never make it out of an encounter with them 100% unscratched.
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First and most important find out where 999000 and tatertot are and dont fly in that area. Attack from high angles aim for wing root out cockpit.
Never ever aproach from dead 6!
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Originally posted by Lan784
Ok i fly buffs in AH as a career...check the sig why.
The best buff killer is the 109G-14 cause of its cannons and also speed to get in front of the bomber quickly to set up his attack. Also 110s,N1K,262s,163s, and La5s and 7s.
The best angle is from the front upper left or right corners of the bomber. Aim for the wings. Also aonther good attack is from the side., its a good way to get all 3 bombers in 1 pass.NEVER EVER ATTACK FROM THE 6!!! U WILL DIE!!thats how i kill 262s so much
:D
The best pilot is the smartess there is no better pilot than anyone else that can do this better.The smart ones will follow these tatics and not get killed. Paticence is a VERY KEY FACTOR!!. Look guys to whom are impatcient, those bombers AINT GOIN ANY WHERE!! take ur time and u will not die and they will.
Lan my little girl is ALSO a 15 year old self-professed band geek! (and stay the hell away from her! Im not afraid of goin back to prison!)
Back to the bomber thing--I Remember Crow attacked my B24's with his putrid F6 a few months ago..I was 20k or so, he dove on me 3X, totally erased a bomber on each pass, unreal, I had no chance at all..I MIGHT have made him spill his coffee:eek:
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
...WEP on and then at 1000 yards I nose down under the bomber, fishtail a bit to throw off any guns...
and some other good stuff...
yeah i do that to, sometimes on a fakey attack, sometimes i shoot, depending on what the bomber does.
it's all about knowing these different strategies, and piecing them together, improvising an attack so it is not the same 2 times in a row.
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Best shot I can think of is 10 and 2 positions. I climb up dive down on bombers 10 or 2 fire 400 out dive down back up 3k above repeat. Never been shot down with this attack..
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Shawk schooled me well last nighthis is the hi alt 400 mph 45 degree angle from my six he got his best hit in looped up and over to high alt and gained speed and momentum and hit me again best i could do was smoke his engine possibly pilot wounded him also
had some other guys tag team us at 112 i think never dropped a egg all night but i did get some great film to study:D
maybe tonight they wont be so lucky:aok
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ride shotgun for cody. you will learn to kill the fighters fast or he will get in a gun and steal your kill (lol)
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lol jts seems he and 999 should hook up huh:rofl
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Originally posted by Lan784
Ok i fly buffs in AH as a career...check the sig why.
The best buff killer is the 109G-14 cause of its cannons and also speed to get in front of the bomber quickly to set up his attack. Also 110s,N1K,262s,163s, and La5s and 7s.
The best angle is from the front upper left or right corners of the bomber. Aim for the wings. Also aonther good attack is from the side., its a good way to get all 3 bombers in 1 pass.NEVER EVER ATTACK FROM THE 6!!! U WILL DIE!!thats how i kill 262s so much
:D
The best pilot is the smartess there is no better pilot than anyone else that can do this better.The smart ones will follow these tatics and not get killed. Paticence is a VERY KEY FACTOR!!. Look guys to whom are impatcient, those bombers AINT GOIN ANY WHERE!! take ur time and u will not die and they will.
Oh thats a damn lie!!!:furious
Everybody knows 51d kills buffs better...
And your sigs too long..
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Originally posted by tatertot
ok after extensive research you guys tell me what is 1)the best buff killer 2) THE BEST ANGLES 3) and who does this the best and why????
The best way to kill buffs is to vulch them on the ground before they can get wheels up. Any type of fighter will do.
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Yeah, that doesn't work too well in the dweeby llama-filled MA. I was over a suppressed field and thought WOOHOO! Some fool upped a b24! Easy kill! So I fire a shot on the big b24 sitting on end of runway, and kill-shooter myself because it was some lame-arse friendly that landed there to spawn-kill planes taking off.
Don't vulch 'em til you see the icon, which means they're already up.
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Heres (http://www.freewebs.com/linkafi/Buff%20Pwn1n.zip) a clip of how I mostly attack buffs. The clip is slowed down to show how much damage a B17 in this game can take.
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I fly buffs a fair amount and think the best thing to do is come from dead 6...level...pull up to about 400 off his 6 .... don't fire, as it will only serve to let him know your there, I'm sure he wont be looking around in the outside view, and didn't see you coming from 8k away. when the buff fires at you.....just stay level, or zig zag abit while spraying all over the sky..... Theres no sense in trying to rtb with a pilot wound or half a wing or whatever severe damage you have by now, so just bail out....rinse and repeat.
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Part of the rational for NEO buffs is simply survival.....we don't have multiple gunners like in AW...that was fun......don't offten have group of bomber guys flying in formations together.. and even more rare is fighter pilots who will escort a bomber formation..although Monti is the best at this!
So for survival being undeteched by flying Noe and taking away the hard drop attack from 12 you can see for bomber pilots this becomes attactive....you still have to take your chances with ack and gv's ..
999000
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Tater...had a chance to film some buff killn today. Crow vs the HQ raid:
Jug vs Buffs.zip (http://www.pace3.com/AH/Jug vs Buffs.zip)
And here is an older one that I found in my film archives:
Pony vs B24.zip (http://www.pace3.com/AH/Pony vs B24.zip)
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Originally posted by Krusty
Yeah, that doesn't work too well in the dweeby llama-filled MA. I was over a suppressed field and thought WOOHOO! Some fool upped a b24! Easy kill! So I fire a shot on the big b24 sitting on end of runway, and kill-shooter myself because it was some lame-arse friendly that landed there to spawn-kill planes taking off.
Don't vulch 'em til you see the icon, which means they're already up.
Clearly your vulching skills are weak, I dont make n00b mistakes like that because i r teh 1337 vu1c3r. :)
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crowMAW,
very nice films, very good use of patience and of those 0.50s :)
Krusty,
that was the use of the Pony and the Jug (in the occasional anti-bomber role) I was referring to in the 109K-4's 30mm v/s gondolas thread. You can see how good is a ~2sec burst of 8x0.50 on a wing or tail.
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Originally posted by 999000
Don't know what I can add been killed by everyone with everything..including trees and mountains!..Betty says my name..I dead ..any of the UNFORGIVEN look my way my B17 immediatly burst into flames! Ak's take my cookies my formation explodes!..but it all doesn't matter..what matters is I"m a MEMBER OF THE SHEGOTYA FAN CLUB!...so everything is good!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously I agree the "shawk" attack dropping like a rock is best!!!..tough to even get a few hits on this kind of attack! I disagre with the HO on a buff don't mind that attack at all unless it again is a high 12 attack..that tough again.
One thing not talked about is a coordinated attack by two or more fighters ..this again is very tough..and to survive takes good SA, luck ,and ability to hit a fighter on the way out from the bomber attack
999000
WELL SAID 9's and 0's !!!
X's and O's from me to you!!
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Crow....ty for the very clear tactic in these films.
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I myself would say that cannon armed aircraft are the easiest, but I've hunted down B-24's in a P-51B's before, it really doesn't matter, if you wait it out it's not that hard. I've found the best tactic is actully team work, if you see a bomber, even if your behind it, take your time, have you and your wingman fly on either side of the bomber about 1k out, they might spray and waste there ammo in the mean time, then both attack at either side at the times time, whom ever is getting shot at, stop your attack, and the other person has a clear, undefended shot at the buffs! This kind of team work I find more effective then any 20mm cannon.
Edward
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I'll toss in a bit...
I spend a fair amount of time in bombers, since I'm more likely to accomplish something in them!
The hardest attack to defend, IMO, is the high slash "across the shoulders". By this, I mean attacking from altitude, almost directly overhead, diving in over the wingroots/cockpit/top turret. Very hard to keep a consistent defensive gun lead on a slashing angled attack, across multiple gun locations. Also, from this angle, only 2 of each bomber's 10 guns can come to bear. From dead-6, you'll get 14 guns!
I will do you some serious harm if you come in from any angle flat. Headons co-alt are no problem. Down low I can see you climbing up to me, so I'll pin you underneath before you get to me. Go high. Very few ever do. Last night, however, someone knew his stuff (can't remember who) and tore me up with these slashing attacks.
Usually, I can watch a fighter come in...settle nicely behind the "blind" bomber formation...blissfully unaware that I've been watching for 10 minutes (nuttin' else to do!). I like to hold fire a bit to lure them in closer. You'll think you've found a n00b! Once you're within 1k, you'd better have your chitterlings together 'cause you're gonna get shredded unless you have blazing speed and strenuous angles to keep me hopping...or unless I get hit with wife-ack which seems to have a 100% lethality rate in my version of AH.
I'm not a fighter master, but I do like a good buff hunt. There are many competent aircraft for bomber hunting, but I found that the 109 with 20mm gondolas will climb to the meat in no time flat, with plenty of speed to maneuver and 3 big kannones for chewing off pieces of bomber. However, don't get caught in a dogfight cause she turns like a pig with gondies. Just be precise with your gunnery.
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Originally posted by 999000
Don't know what I can add been killed by everyone with everything..including trees and mountains!..Betty says my name..I dead ..any of the UNFORGIVEN look my way my B17 immediatly burst into flames! Ak's take my cookies my formation explodes!..but it all doesn't matter..what matters is I"m a MEMBER OF THE SHEGOTYA FAN CLUB!...so everything is good!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously I agree the "shawk" attack dropping like a rock is best!!!..tough to even get a few hits on this kind of attack! I disagre with the HO on a buff don't mind that attack at all unless it again is a high 12 attack..that tough again.
One thing not talked about is a coordinated attack by two or more fighters ..this again is very tough..and to survive takes good SA, luck ,and ability to hit a fighter on the way out from the bomber attack
999000
sorry 999, i was reading past post and seen this for the first time. this is funny. i really hope that me shootin u down doesn't make u think its anything personal. it really isn't, i just luv shootin down bombers. their my fav target. especially if i'm flyin my 110..hehe
to me, bombers r the other white meat. u r a good pilot and damn sharp with those guns on that b17. u have gotten me many times also.
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WGr. 21 = dead buffs
Only problem is those stupied tubes kill you as a fighter.
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110g2 with gun pod from directly above, aim for the cockpit and make the pilot dance to the tune of 30mm.
P38 is also good.
P47
and typh.
I always aim for the cockpit/wingroot.
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What... no love for the Yak9t? =)
It's a tiny plane, so not all that easy to hit with the bomber's guns. It's fairly tough so will take a hit or two generally. And 1-2 hits on the wingroot with the 37mm nose cannon will take a wing off, or 1 hit to an engine will set a B-24 on fire. As long as you come in at sharp angles, preferrably from the front hemisphere, you'll get a good shot or two in with minimal risk. (Minimal when facing 3 bombers worth of .50 cals facing your way that is.. lol)
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These were all great tips and pointers. Thanks all for taking the time to share. One thing that was not discussed that I have been pretty successful in is defending against low buff base attacks.
Usually when the enemy get desperate, I find the low buff attacks start. As I am scrambling to get SOME air as these guys are destined to kil what hangers are left, I approach them like this.
"Buffs inbound at 4-6k!"
Fly at a shallow climb towards the bombers. You are on their 12 low. All the wep I have using Typhie, F6F, P38 or 109. Get to about 1.5 K out and under them, still on their 12 low. Then hit a little flap (depending on plane) and nose directly up at the pilot, arching back even. Let em have it, all of it. Aiming in the same spot preferabley the pilot. This usually gets the lead bomber into serious roman caldle effects and they have to switch planes to drop their load. By then I have spent my E and the rest of the base defenders can gett he other two. The objective is to get the lead bomber and foil the attack onyour base. All they have to do is miss by a few feet and your base lives.
Oh, on the two plane attack on bombers, having two attack a bomber group from either side and high is awesome. So many make the mistake of attacking from the 6 (as I do when I lose my E and get desperate) and go to the big fireball in the sky.
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LA7
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CV, 5" guns!!!
(Ok they can fly if hit with 8K)
otherwise..
BF110G2... (angled attack best)
From the 6 at 1K with a-a rockets, then cannon.
Warning: The 6 attack doesn't work well against 999000.
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