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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FTJR on December 29, 2005, 02:43:06 AM
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http://www.angel.ne.jp/~tochy/
This thread was posted before, but if you look at the shiden kai video. Tell me what you think? actual footage???
Regards
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Its all CGI from what I understand. This guys needs to hook up with some big Hollywood studio and make us a WW2 air war epic.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Its all CGI from what I understand. This guys needs to hook up with some big Hollywood studio and make us a WW2 air war epic.
Soooo true.
Yes its all CGI
(wonders why can't ah look like that):D
(edit he works for a tv studio)
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look at the free castering tail wheel as it impacts the runway. if it's not real it is phenomenal work.
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Now that is some realy cool stuff!!!!
Pipz
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Ssswwweeeeeeetttttttt!
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Those two movies "1942" and "1945".... The narration sucks. They could have found someone other than the voice of steven hawkins to do the narration. Make a cool CGI like that, then botch it with Mr Roboto talking in the background.
His latest cgi of the mossi's and spits is his best yet. That' one has been out and around the boards including this one since early this year.
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the narraration sucks because a basic transelation program was running something simple like the windows text reader, the artist, tochy, is japanese i believe, its nice he even tried to make it understandable in 2 languages.
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The castering tailwheel got me as well. Thanks for the replies. didn't know it was that advanced.
regards
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Those two movies "1942" and "1945".... The narration sucks. They could have found someone other than the voice of steven hawkins to do the narration. Make a cool CGI like that, then botch it with Mr Roboto talking in the background.
How many of your own AH movies have any original sound work in them? The guy does his work on his spare time as an hobby.
Cut him some slack.
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I didn't like the castoring on the tail wheel. Wind drag would keep it mostly straight, and if it's mostly straight it wouldn't be sideways on impact (and wouldn't spin around wildly). The general motion is okay, but what this guy is good at is surfaces and textures, THOSE are sweet as hell. He uses camera motion well, as well as camera blur and the like, but I don't like his motion in some cases. The perfect split-second 180 turn with little lurching or tilting at the end of the film spoiled it for me.
Can't fault him on his bad human motion, because hardly anybody can get people motion down well, but that alone should be enough to say "this is 3d, not real".
I checked out a few of his other clips on that page. The texturing and sounds are really good on most of his stuff (didn't check 'em all, but I liked what I saw)
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All Im saying is he could have come up with a better voice. Mr Roboto/Steven Hawkins isnt who I would call an authentic sounding narrator. When authenticity was obviously a huge part in the CGI.
Unless he's your best friend, pull your panties out of your crack.
I wasnt implying that I could do better.
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check out the mossie film amaizing
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the wings films is very good too
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Thats truley some awsome work!
As for the tailwhell, I have seen tailwheels in RL act in a similar fasion at ariwhows in the past. It "looks" like he put alot of time in researching the little things like that and the flap deployment in the 1945 clip
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Originally posted by eilif
the narraration sucks because a basic transelation program was running something simple like the windows text reader, the artist, tochy, is japanese i believe, its nice he even tried to make it understandable in 2 languages.
I like the line in the 1945 one
"Damnit. that failed":rofl
Outstanding graphics though.
Collision model works too :p
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Gotta agree that the 1942/1945 movies are CGI. But the rest definently look legit. Can't find a single "error" including both the spinning tailwheel and 270 degree parking turn. For anyone not familiar with a fully castoring tailwheel notice that the plane has some sideslip when it lands, that's what kicks the tailwheel out. Regarding the 270 degree parking turn, you can do this with conventional gear, just lock the inside break and maybe some left rudder and a burst of throttle to help kick it around. You stop the turn with the right break. Perfectly legit and not hard to do. From the camera angle, it appears he lines up perfectly, again, this can be done. If the films are CGI he'd be rich and living on a beach in Malibu. The 1942/45 movies are great for CGI but still obvious. Very well done but in addition to some of the textures the key to me is that the motion is noticably imperfect (particularly the rolls).
Gotta love that nice touch at the beginning of the 45 movie...a formation of P51's out wasting ammo on sheds and chasing little children while the heroic Japenese pilots attempt to save the child against superior numbers. Is this what they teach in Japanese schools?
Mace
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They are CGI. That is a fact.
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Mace what do u mean by legit?? like REAL??
NONE of those videos are real video. Each one is CGI.
Oh, and there are a lot of 3D animators that do work as well as this guy, and they are most definitely NOT rich living in Malibu.
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Originally posted by Mace2004
Gotta agree that the 1942/1945 movies are CGI. But the rest definently look legit.
Tochy is a CGI artist. All those films are CGI.
Gotta love that nice touch at the beginning of the 45 movie...a formation of P51's out wasting ammo on sheds and chasing little children while the heroic Japenese pilots attempt to save the child against superior numbers. Is this what they teach in Japanese schools?
Mace [/B]
Why not? That's definitely his/their right, as that is one way the locals saw the war. Just like the American fighters strafing civilians and cows in German '45.
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Originally posted by Grendel
Tochy is a CGI artist. All those films are CGI.
Why not? That's definitely his/their right, as that is one way the locals saw the war. Just like the American fighters strafing civilians and cows in German '45.
Beef, its whats for dinner.
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Amazing. Hard to believe it's CGI
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the kid in 1945 was overmodeled
his FM needs to be nerfed
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so when do you guys think AH will look somethin like that.
do any other planes other than 190's have the effect to have bullets holes anywhere on the frame?
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Originally posted by bagrat
so when do you guys think AH will look somethin like that.
2 weeks.
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Originally posted by BigR
Mace what do u mean by legit?? like REAL??
NONE of those videos are real video. Each one is CGI.
Oh, and there are a lot of 3D animators that do work as well as this guy, and they are most definitely NOT rich living in Malibu.
Maybe I've missed something but what is the basis for believing all of these are CGI? I haven't seen anything that establishes this is a "fact". I don't read Japanese and the only clue on the site in English is the line that says "digital warbird show" over the films in question. This could refer to digital movies of actual warbirds. While I agree that his CGI is exceptionally good (and yes, I'd love to see AH look like that) it still looks like CGI while the warbirds do not. Also, if you look down at the menu where he has still images, not one of them looks as realistic as the films (they're labeled as CGI by the way). Compare the Mossie for instance. The still picture is great but the films show an all together higher degree of realism. If the warbirds films are a collection of his latest work he has all of the models and lighting done so wouldn't you all think he'd have updated the stills with his now perfected work?
His motion work in 42/45 is also exciting and exceptional but just sit back a bit and compare with the other video...there's something in the motion that doesn't appear right to me. He's definently nailed it if the warbirds are CGI.
Last, has anyone considered that a CGI artist who can reproduce the images and movements as well as he does must have quite a few real-world examples to work from? Seems natural that he would post these originals for others interested in the same subject as he is. Of course, I nobody has mentioned the biggest issue....notice the ships in the background of the landing seaplane? Don't know if any of those are still around so maybe it is all CGI.
Again, I'd be interested in knowing what everyone is basing their opinions on. His CGI work is really terrific but if all of these are CGI color me absolutely amazed. I've put all of these up on my big screen at home, and to me, there are differences but, while I remain skeptical I'd certainly like to hear the proof.
Mace
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I said it's about fluff'n time someone made a good Air Epic film without crapping it up like Peril Harbor (yes peril)
The guys that flew in it are passing away and they need to make one a la SPR but with better story :furious
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Originally posted by Mace2004
Maybe I've missed something but what is the basis for believing all of these are CGI? I haven't seen anything that establishes this is a "fact". I don't read Japanese and the only clue on the site in English is the line that says "digital warbird show" over the films in question. This could refer to digital movies of actual warbirds. While I agree that his CGI is exceptionally good (and yes, I'd love to see AH look like that) it still looks like CGI while the warbirds do not. Also, if you look down at the menu where he has still images, not one of them looks as realistic as the films (they're labeled as CGI by the way). Compare the Mossie for instance. The still picture is great but the films show an all together higher degree of realism. If the warbirds films are a collection of his latest work he has all of the models and lighting done so wouldn't you all think he'd have updated the stills with his now perfected work?
His motion work in 42/45 is also exciting and exceptional but just sit back a bit and compare with the other video...there's something in the motion that doesn't appear right to me. He's definently nailed it if the warbirds are CGI.
Last, has anyone considered that a CGI artist who can reproduce the images and movements as well as he does must have quite a few real-world examples to work from? Seems natural that he would post these originals for others interested in the same subject as he is. Of course, I nobody has mentioned the biggest issue....notice the ships in the background of the landing seaplane? Don't know if any of those are still around so maybe it is all CGI.
Again, I'd be interested in knowing what everyone is basing their opinions on. His CGI work is really terrific but if all of these are CGI color me absolutely amazed. I've put all of these up on my big screen at home, and to me, there are differences but, while I remain skeptical I'd certainly like to hear the proof.
Mace
Because his films are all over the internet and his work is well known. That's how.
And folks like you are also the reason he's making alot of money. Because it does look so real. That's nothing against you, its just that if you didnt know better, some of it, the mossi film especially, looks like it is indeed the real thing.
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If you dont think its CGI then look at the film "shiden-kai.mpeg" watch the ground crew and you can see the lack (its a DAM DAM tiny lack mind you) of free motion
when I say "free motion" I am talking about the fact that people do not move like a robot, there is always the slight sway or a bump in their walk or when the drop to one knee.
Pay close attention to the feet of the ground crewman comming from the opposite side of the plan he air walks the last two or so steps.
Also look at the smoke effect from the wheels as he lands... there is somthing missing, I think its how the smoke dissapates.
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Almost all of them have a giveaway that its CGI.
The "stunt" film is obviously CG smoke, the one with the seaplane is so obviously CG splash its laughable, etc.
And they look way too pretty to be real ife, just look at RL video like the Raoaring Glory series and compare. They never move that fluid or look that clear.
Not saying they aren't amazing, just that they are definately all CG. I have them all saved on my comp and drool over them periodically. And I haven't seen anything outside of (and some by...) a major studio that can compare.
The guy is damn good.
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Wow! Those are great! Thanks for posting the link!
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His name is Tochibayashi Masaru (surname is first in Japan). He's 42 years old and was born in Kyushu, but currently lives in Saitama, which is just north of Tokyo. Starting in 1988, while still in university, he started working as an assistant under several manga artists. He (unexpectedly) started doing CG animation for TV commercials in 2002. His bio implies that he is freelance and does photography, CG animation and 3-D modeling.
I meant to contact him before, since he doesn't live too far from me, but forgot. I'm going to send him an email and see if I can meet him sometime. I'll let you guys know.
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In the 1945 video did anyone else here that P-51 making a "woo woo woo" when it was strafing that house, if so why?
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Originally posted by Rolex
His name is Tochibayashi Masaru (surname is first in Japan). He's 42 years old and was born in Kyushu, but currently lives in Saitama, which is just north of Tokyo. Starting in 1988, while still in university, he started working as an assistant under several manga artists. He (unexpectedly) started doing CG animation for TV commercials in 2002. His bio implies that he is freelance and does photography, CG animation and 3-D modeling.
I meant to contact him before, since he doesn't live too far from me, but forgot. I'm going to send him an email and see if I can meet him sometime. I'll let you guys know.
Cool! If you meet up with him, you should tell him that Aces High players think his work is awesome. I sent him e-mail yesterday telling him that I thought is work was excellent.
I'd love to see a WWII aviation movie or show where this guy did the aerial combat CGI. It is much, much better than anything else I've seen, to a large extent because he gets the movement to look real. Most of the airplane CGI stuff might look good in terms of lighting and textures, etc., but stinks in terms of how the aircraft move, making it look laughably fake. This guy's stuff looks great.
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Originally posted by FTJR
http://www.angel.ne.jp/~tochy/
This thread was posted before, but if you look at the shiden kai video. Tell me what you think? actual footage???
Regards
A trip to the eye doctor for you. I mean, it's excellent stuff but come on. Real? The one which almost fools me is the "Merlins" footage. Lovely. I'm not sure how anyone could think that the film with the little boy running along with the Mustangs above him is real. You must know some pretty weird looking people.;)
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Unless the contact with the runway is perfect and the runway is perfectly smooth, the tailwheel will spin like that. Hitting the earth tends to provide lots of kinetic energy, besides the tailwheel could be in the boundary layer and not see much airflow.
Now if you want to talk about the 270 degree spin on the flightline, that's unrealistic. Cool looking, but not realistic.
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Originally posted by DaYooper
Unless the contact with the runway is perfect and the runway is perfectly smooth, the tailwheel will spin like that. Hitting the earth tends to provide lots of kinetic energy, besides the tailwheel could be in the boundary layer and not see much airflow.
Now if you want to talk about the 270 degree spin on the flightline, that's unrealistic. Cool looking, but not realistic.
A boundary layer, as in a laminar flow boundary layer, is only a couple thousandths of an inch thick.
I have personally witnessed a Sea Fury execute the most amazing parking job I have ever seen. He powered off with maybe 200-300 yrds to go to the parking space still coasting maybe 50 mph, executed several 90 degree turns down the various taxi-ways, followed by a perfect 270 spin into the parking space. It was freaking amazing.
g00b
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I had to pull out my fluids book. Yea, the boundary layer (assuming laminar flow) won't be that thick, probably thicker than a few thousandths, but pretty thin.
As for the 270 by the Sea Fury, that would have been an amazing thing to see.