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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: StarOfAfrica2 on December 29, 2005, 01:13:24 PM
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I think I got gypped. :(
http://starbulletin.com/2005/12/29/news/story04.html
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Ive done all that and tons more. The only difference between us and the boyscouts is that we dont sell cookies.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I think I got gypped. :(
http://starbulletin.com/2005/12/29/news/story04.html
Back in the day, our cub scout pack spent the weekend at Grissom AFB near Peru, Indiana for Air Force Day. We had a blast, checking out B-52s, tankers, shooting at the rifle range...
That was about 1967, I think. If your scout pack/troop didn't do cool stuff like that, you had uninspired adult leaders. Most military, police, fire, etc. outfits LOVE having the scouts around--it allows them to show the next generation what is out there.
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My scout troop spent a 3 day weekend at a Navy/Marine Corps survival school somewhere in SoCal, a 3 day weekend spearfishing from Navy land on San Clemente Island off of San Diego, plus a bunch of other stuff. Mostly it was outdoors/camping trips but occasionally we'd get to use military land or get tours. The survival school was cool... The instructor showed us how to kill rabbits and we had rabbit stew for dinner :)
Hard to do that nowadays with all the lawsuits but from the looks of that article, I guess not all is lost.
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Originally posted by rshubert
Back in the day, our cub scout pack spent the weekend at Grissom AFB near Peru, Indiana for Air Force Day. We had a blast, checking out B-52s, tankers, shooting at the rifle range...
That was about 1967, I think. If your scout pack/troop didn't do cool stuff like that, you had uninspired adult leaders. Most military, police, fire, etc. outfits LOVE having the scouts around--it allows them to show the next generation what is out there.
The only really useful things we learned were how to make our own fishin poles and about starting and keeping a campfire. Useful information no doubt, and I'm grateful for it. And I did have fun tramping around in the woods and camping and learning different animals and plants and such. But despite the fact that all of us kids had guns of our own (even if only BB guns), and all of the scout leaders were active hunters, we never did anything with guns, or police or anything else. Of course there werent any military bases close by, we didnt have cops, and our fire dept was all volunteer (we only had one fire truck, 1950s vintage, and a donated natl. guard truck with a water tank on the back for hauling water to a fire with no hydrants).
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My Dad was our Webelo leader. Do they still have Webelos? We spent a lot of time in our garage building steam engines and home made electric motors and stuff like that. Camping trips were to fun spots like Mitchell Caverns. We'd get dropped off about 2 miles away from the campground and the dads would drive on ahead. I used to wonder why they wanted to miss all the fun of a 2 mile walk across the desert.
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They had electricity when you were growing up?
-SW
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First off, I like the Boyscouts... they give kids alot and I am in agreement with allowing them to hike, rappeling, and phyiscal pursuits with the military.
However, I am COMPLETELY against them learning information vital to the military or allowing them to handle military weapons or anything greater than a simple hunting rifle or shotgun and only then with a sport use in mind.
I think Goering compared the Hitler Youth to the Amercan Boy Scouts and it was explained to him that the Boy Scouts didn't handle military firearms. I guess that has changed...
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Big difference I see from the Boy Scouts and the Hitler Youth is that I highly doubt a Boy Scout plans on growing up and sacrificing their lives to genocide and war.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
They had electricity when you were growing up?
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Yea, we would just take 2 smart-aleck punk kids and rub their heads together.
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What delirium said its a bit scary those 8 year old boys can wait.
i used to be scouting too as a kid and probably wished all this.
But looking now at it its pretty unethic.
Im all for survival training and hiking etc.
but not that.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Big difference I see from the Boy Scouts and the Hitler Youth is that I highly doubt a Boy Scout plans on growing up and sacrificing their lives to genocide and war.
Like your signature you're wrong on this count as well.
Heres the snopes link.
Snopes link (http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/quran911.asp)
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Originally posted by Delirium
Like your signature you're wrong on this count as well.
Heres the snopes link.
Snopes link (http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/quran911.asp)
Thankyou for pointing out the obvious.
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Delerium, he knows the quote in his sig is wrong, he did it purposely that way.
I can see your point about the Hitler Youth program, and the comparisons. There really isnt a difference, except one. Here we promote loyalty to an ideal: America. Hitler promoted loyalty to himself. You may see the difference as splitting hairs, I see it as all the difference in the world. If you have a problem with this, then you must have a problem with JROTC and high school age military academies? You would really hate Switzerland. Funny they never had any little Hitlers running around, and they introduce children to military and shooting programs at a young age as well. There is nothing at all wrong with exposing youth to the discipline and tools of the military. There is every problem twisting their minds with such tools as racial superiority and blind faith in individuals over guiding principles.
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Delirium,
It's a fun weekend trip, not "training". One visit to a military base to see their stuff is not "training".
At the very very worst, it's early recruitment. But not a single child was there without the express permission and encouragement of their parents, so even that charge would be weak.
You're right, if the national guard sponsored the yearly camporees and jamborees, complete with military-style competitions and actual military training, then it would be out of line. But a trip like this is just another life experience.
Heck, you may as well claim that the boy scouts are brainwashing kids to create liberal hippie tree huggers because in many (most?) troops, you have to organize and lead some sort of environment preservation project to become an eagle scout. Again, it's about giving kids life experiences that they would probably never be able to get anywhere else. When I went through 3 USAF survival schools, my scouting experience resulted in me being almost instantly at ease in the various environments we were put in, whether it was in 2 ft of snow in the colorado mountains or paddling around in a Florida bay in springtime. The guys who didn't have any outdoors or scouting backgrounds as kids were pretty easily identifiable, because they're the ones who were near panic the second the bus passed the last 7-11 on the road up into the mountains.
While Camping at Pendleton, we collected hundreds of expended dummy rounds and MG links, creating some 20 ft of MG belt ammo, and had fun pretending to be marines for a few days. It sure didn't turn us into jackboot thugs...
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Errr well my Boy Scout Group went to a garbage and recycling plant. And we went to Buckley AFB for a few hours and looked at the helicopters and such, but that was only because one of the kids' dad was a pilot. I was enticed by shooting the BB guns in 1st grade and when I hadn't touched a BB gun by 4th grade I said no more. And 5th grade was the year they shot BB guns, bastards. I enjoyed it for a while, but Boy Scouts has religious influence I believe first page into in Scout Handbook includes a prayer or something about following Jesus. It's been a few years so I can't really remember but I know there was some religious mumbo jumbo in it. It gave me and my dad something to do together after my parents got divorced, few hours Tuesday, go to his house Wednesday etc. but in the end it wasn't for me. Seemed like a lot of goodie goodie stuff to me and I got sick of it. But that's life. End of memory.:o
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Our Scout troop never went to any military bases, altho Carswell AFB was less than an hour away. We did go camping a lot. The Sid Richardson Boy Scout Ranch is here. 4000 acres of cliffs, lakes and caves. Lots of cool stuff to do there.
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On my honor, I will do my best,
to do my duty to God and my country,
to obey the Scout Law,
to help other people at all times;
to keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake and morally straight.
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So it's basically like the Pledge of Allegiance? It has god in it but.......don't tell that crazy atheist guy.
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I was never a boy scout. But I was in the the Order of Malta cadets which sounds like kind of sinister military organisation but was in fact just the junior branch of Order of Malta ambulance corps. It was organised on military lines, it was after all related to the old Order of Malta knights.
We learned first aid which was just as well because most weekends we went to the forests or beach lead by a 16 year old. It usually ended up as a form of battle between two groups. One group would take over and attempt to enslave the other. This always led to a rebellion which either ended up as a pitched battle with stones and sticks, which is where the first aid came in useful. Or the stronger group would track down all the rebel slaves one by one and torture them in the usual schoolboy way. Hilarious fun at the time but imagine how it would be seen by the litigious people of today?
My brother was in the Cub scouts and they spent the day with the army. Great fun was had by all. That is what it was all about. There was a definite religious aspect to it too. It was called the Catholic boy scouts of Ireland which is not to say you had to be Catholic to join. My brother's troop was led by two Jewish scout leaders. Which is really funny because they often led them to mass.:confused:
I'm surprised that there is nothing in America like the British Combined Cadet Force which has RAF, RN and army branches for teenagers 13 and up. This is very much part of the military and the kids get weapons training and tactical skills or learn to fly gliders etc etc. Many schools have a branch. As a military minded teenager I often wished we had something similar here in Ireland but sadly no.
Air Cadets (http://www.aircadets.org/index.html)
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Originally posted by cpxxx
I'm surprised that there is nothing in America like the British Combined Cadet Force which has RAF, RN and army branches for teenagers 13 and up. This is very much part of the military and the kids get weapons training and tactical skills or learn to fly gliders etc etc. Many schools have a branch. As a military minded teenager I often wished we had something similar here in Ireland but sadly no.
Air Cadets (http://www.aircadets.org/index.html)
Civil Air Patrol (Air Force) (http://www.cap.gov/)
Sea Cadets (Navy) (http://www.seacadets.org/public/) <--Been in this 6 years now.
Young Marines (Marine Corp) (http://www.youngmarines.com/)
Ive had plenty of weapons training. Have gone to Mini BUDs, MAA school, and multiple others. Ive been to tons of ranges on multiple bases including Fort Drum. Favorite was watching M1A1 Abrams firing at targets thousands of feet away. They actually take the breath out of you when fired. Went to a A-10 Warthog range. Saw them chew up an old Russian tank with their multiple weapons. Also went to a .50 cal range. Got to fire off about 25 rounds. Was amazing.
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I've hosted many of scout trips here. We take the kids all over the flightline and show them the airplanes backshops and control tower.
We aren't indoctrinating them as Eagl said we are giving them life experience.
Kids absolutly LOVE playing GI. We allways set up an INERT ejection seat and let them sit in it and grab the handles. They absolutly extatic from these events.