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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: TheWobble on April 16, 2001, 02:06:00 AM
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Everybody here has themselves or know someoen who has a "Pirated" copy of windows..
By Pirted I mean
A: You didnt buy it Yourself for You.
B: It did not come with Your computer.
As in you bummed it from a friend, downloaded it..whatever...it cost you nothing..
OK here we go..is that wrong??
Im kind of on the wire about it..kind of conflicting views..
View 1: Its Wrong
You didnt buy it, so you are stealing...pretty cut and dry.
View 2: Its justified..
Windows has always been a very annoying piece of software.most people dont really like it at all, they just use it because damn near everything is compatable with it, and not much else..games especally... SO why should I pay for a piece of software that
A: is buggy as hell
B: slows my system down
C: is imperfect ON PURPOSE (thats right)
For all intensive purposes I HATE WINDOWS..so why should i buy something I hate? windows is FORCED on us because Necrosoft has a monoply on OS's..so basically we are force fed windows and the only real alternative is starvation...
sa why buy a pile of junk i hate and have to use only because the company that made it has squashed or absorbed any competition that make a better product??
Where Do you stand?
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Wobble,
Lets turn the tide a bit, say you have developed a piece of ”code” say it be a game, or utility that makes things easier to play/use and it’s your company’s leading product. How would you feel if because of this “pirating” you were losing 2.8 million in a day in revenue?
With that said I do believe you have a valid point, I to do not like Windows, and all it’s bugs etc…However Microsoft has done more to bring the PC in to the mainstream life in the last 10 years than any other.
PS: I bought mine.
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Lets turn the tide a bit, say you have developed a piece of ”code” say it be a game, or utility that makes things easier to play/use and it’s your company’s leading product. How would you feel if because of this “pirating” you were losing 2.8 million in a day in revenue?
if yer gonna turn the table turn it all the way...like this..
say you have developed a piece of ”code” say it be a game, or utility that makes things easier to play/use and it’s your company’s leading product, you also intentonally leave lots of errors and problems in the software..then a while after you have sold it..you fix a few of the problems that you purposley left in, then you re-sell this same software with some of the bugs you left in fixed and call it a "new version" and charge full price for it.
Given that situation, I would expect people to pirate my software..and I couldent feel too bad for them ripping me off..after all i rip them off by not correcting known errors and then fixing SOME of them and then selling the exact same software with a few of the orignal errors i left in fixed again for just as much as i sold the orignal...then a fix a few more bugs i left in and sell it again..and so on.
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It's stealing. Microsoft may have faults. They may have ruthless business practices. Stealing from a bad person or company is still theft.
For you religious types, I'll skip the chapter and verse. You know the words... C'mon and sing along...
"Thou shalt not..."
Ya know... it's in situations like this, when I feel bad but I want to absolve some of my guilt for doing something that I know to be wrong... That's when I go find one of those people... you know... the ones with the bracelet that says WWJD... Ask them. They will help you and guide you on the difficult path...
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I hear ya Wobble (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Reformed "cough" "network security specialist" don't know what this means it is a PC way of saying something else.
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This is a real departure for you wobble... trying to justify not paying for yet another computer service.
Its amazing how everyone is simply obligated to provide you with the tools necessary for you to be entertained... free of charge.
AKDejaVu
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oh ok ill provide something then
here ya go [REMOVED]
that is a direct to the full CD of Windows 2000 Pro.
Why should I feel guilty for free from a company that intentonally leaves (or causes) errors in its software just so it can sell you a "new version" a few konths later which is usually nothing more than the same thing with a few of the problems they left in on purpose fixed.
Kind of like selling someone a "new car" that you know has some problems just so that you can charge them later to fix things that you knew were there and could of...should of fixed before selling it.
there (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
if stealing is stealing then microsoft is the biggest thief of the 20th century...so I didnt go on too big of a guilt trip when i clicked the above link.
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I like to support programs that I like whether its Paintshop Pro or Gamespy because they are good solid programs, while I would'nt condone pirating you sometimes can't help but have a little sympathy for those who rip off Microsoft, they have done more to slow down technology than anyone else snapping up the small developers and their code then releasing it when they see fit. They have consistantly abused their monopoly position to release buggy unfinished unreliable code at vastly inflated prices and anyone who tries to take them on in the field of software gets dealt dirty tactics by M$ (ask Netscape to name just one)
Please remove the link before HTC has to remove it or even worse get into trouble for one of their users posting it.
As for you Sandman..is'nt it a bit hypocritical poting on this topic in light of the fact you helped a bunch of guys rip off Warbirds?
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Ok i got rid of it...now i wonder who all took it down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Doh, wish others would put it in zip format, instead of downloading 2.88 meg files (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) and then raring them back together. At any rate I got my win2k free do to my office. Sorry but pirating software is about as easy as checking out a video at blockbuster.
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Revvin, there is a difference between software piracy and unauthorized use. The difference is significant enough that the courts still have not sorted out the IP laws. Were the issue as black and white as you would like to believe, Napster would never have suffered a lawsuit. They would have proceeded directly to the indictments.
Making illegal copies of software is considered software piracy. Software piracy is considered a form a theft. How is it hypocrital to say so? The law is very specific in this regard.
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Wobble, if you steal a crummy car, is it no longer auto theft?
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Ok what am I mising here, is it most of the users are in the closet and don't see what is going on? From what I see copying CD's from others albeit game's, applications, or OS's happens daily and I watch it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). It is done and not a thought about it being illegal. It is kind of like speeding in a car, we all do it and we know we are breaking the law yet we still do it don't we?
The all good and holy are showing, I know these kinds, they are the ones that usually have the largest collection of burnt CD's in their CD rack. I know your kind (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) What about the stores that let you RENT software and return it in 2 weeks if you don't like it? Can this be any easier?
(hypothetically) Lets see I really want Photoshop 6 but I don't have 6-700 dollars to fork out, ok I will go rent it for 15$ return it after I um "uninstalled it".
I am sorry a lot of you do not look at the oppurtunities, being honest as you might say you are? On the contrary look at it as the Robin hood affect. Couldn't think of a better analogy so this one will have to do.
Better look closer around your surroundings, it is happening everywhere. And remember this a lot fo our new software is coming from guys that didn't have the money to go out and learn programming yet got a bootlegged copy and are now making software we use now.
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Oh... I freely admit that I have purchased MOST of my software. ... and yes, I know when I'm speeding too.
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Oh... I freely admit that I have purchased MOST of my software
So are you saying you have some software you did not purchase? Or was it given to you? It either you purchased it or someone else did or you didn't. Not going to comment on this anymore until you can reasure us on this one.
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Well I've been playing pirated games since 1982, and I'm not going to stop now. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I do, however, like to vote with my dollars. If I use something more than once or twice, I'll pay for it.
As far as M$, I paid for Winblows, but some love muffin stole my CD, so I am using a copy of my uncle's CD. If that's piracy then sue me.
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Do compilations disks from Malaysia that contain entire Adobe software archives for the price of $5 count as purchasing?
Let me put it this way... If I use it, I purchased it. If I didn't purchase it, I evaluated it. How's that? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Don't get me wrong Sturm, I have my share of copied games and software, but Wobble asked if it was stealing or not. It is.
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because of a character flaw, i always pay for what i take or use.
44MAG
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<S> to funked finally someone knows what we are talking about. I lost my 98 Key but I got so many freakin memorized from all the installs I did I just used one of those. Oh and if you looked at the 200 or so comps I did installs the reg key was the same lol. Much easier to put the one you got memerorized then having to look at that packet thingy. Didn't matter thing called site licensing for those that will try and crack on this. I guess the PC police wants my copy of SWOTL back before it was made free? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
BTW I have an ftp server if anyone wants an illegal copy of SWOTL you can download it from there, BUwahahahahahahaa.
Sinners
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Sandman posted:
The difference is significant enough that the courts still have not sorted out the IP laws
Yes the FH'ers could hide behind International law and their various complications but iEN had a legal case against you which is why you ISP took down your web site when confronted by iEN. Piracy no but you did take revenue away from iEN by promoting the FH activity which is the end result of piracy.
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Revvin... your knowledge of the facts is lacking.
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Did you or did you not run a web-site promoting Freehost? A web-site that gave help on setting up independant Freehost servers ans gave links to Freehost file transfers? Was it not your site that was closed down in the face of legal action from iEN?
However much you tried and still try to excuse the actions that resulted in the loss of income to iEN the facts are quite clear.
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I thought windows were thos things in a house that let in light without opening the door.....
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First, let me point out that my windows 98 copy came with my PC, however instead of buying the second edition, I just borrowed it from a friend.
Wobble,
It is stealing. You are just giving out reasons trying to justify your actions. Its simple, stealing.
Yes, you do have other options, there are plenty free OS out there, no one is forcing you to use Windows.
I think Windows is a good product. Can you point out why not? Its not perfect, but what other OS is? are you gonna tell me Linux is perfect? Please.
And if it were, why arent you using Linux right now?
Face it, it is stealing.
All your reasons trying to justify it, its just BULL-SHIT. You aint no Robin Hood.
You might come across better to me saying an honest "I really need it and I have no cash so I copied it from a friend" than all your evil MS bullcrap.
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Originally posted by Revvin:
Did you or did you not run a web-site promoting Freehost? A web-site that gave help on setting up independant Freehost servers ans gave links to Freehost file transfers? Was it not your site that was closed down in the face of legal action from iEN?
However much you tried and still try to excuse the actions that resulted in the loss of income to iEN the facts are quite clear.
Let's see... the facts...
1. Sandman used to offer information telling people how to use Itmo's Freehost via a web site hosted on Xoom.
2. iEN sent a nasty gram to Xoom stating that Sandman was pirating software.
3. Xoom shut down the site. Sandman was not asked for comment.
4. Sandman still maintained an account on WarBirds until he chose to discontinue the subscription six months after "the event".
5. Sandman continues to maintain an account on Aces High.
Sounds like I'm public-enemy number one.
Hint... if ya really want to rally the troops behind ya on this little witch-hunt, accuse me of cheating. That's always a winner, a true crowd-pleaser.
If you wish to debate the merits or lack thereof regarding Itmo's Freehost, you can read my opinion at DogFighter.Com (http://www.dogfighter.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000018.html). I'm certain you won't find anything to say that hasn't already been said. I'm also certain that I'm quite finished discussing the matter with you or anyone else.
cheers,
sand
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iEN sent a nasty gram to Xoom stating that Sandman was pirating software
Not what Iceman told me when I reported your site but the ends justify the means, the activity was illegal in America under American copyright laws so they would have shut you down anyway they jut chose a way that made Xoom sit up and notice to save time ad limit the damage your grubby little site did.
Sounds like I'm public-enemy number one.
Really? must be your ego kicking in, I just see you as the little worm helping to promote Freehost, just wondered if you were the same Sandman as its relative to this discussion.
Hint... if ya really want to rally the troops behind ya on this little witch-hunt, accuse me of cheating. That's always a winner, a true crowd-pleaser.
I'm not here to please crowds or start a witch hunt all that toejam was discussed a long time ago..like I said wanted to know if you're the same Sandman I thought you were, as you are all I can say is you are a hypocrite with your views here when looking at your previous actions.
If you wish to debate the merits or lack thereof regarding Freehost, you can read my opinion here
I'm not interested, its all been said but I just wondered if you were the same Sandman, nice to see you are still the hypocrite, now to get back on topic as I fear we've strayed slightly....
Animal posted:
Yes, you do have other options, there are plenty free OS out there, no one is forcing you to use Windows
To a certain extent we are forced into using Windoes, MS has abused their monopoly for so long that there are other perfectly good OS's outh there but as we've seen in the past with Netscape any company trying to deliver a product with equal capabilities as a Microsoft one gets dealt with dirty underhand business tactics so we are limited to our choice of word processor, spreadsheet program etc but the balance is slowly being addressed with the advent of programs like Star Office etc.
gonna tell me Linux is perfect? Please
No OS is perfect but its much more stable than even Microsofts premier business OS's and it leads MS on security by a country mile. Big business is has adopted Linux as the choice for their servers with the likes of IBM and Compaq using it. At least Linux is priced sensibly and more and more developers are supporting it with games and apps. Its about time the courts did something about MS as with a bit of competition we the end user will be the winners.
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Sounds like I'm public-enemy number one.
Really? must be your ego kicking in, I just see you as the little worm helping to promote Freehost, just wondered if you were the same Sandman as its relative to this discussion.
That was sarcasm, potato peeler. The point is that your pal, Iceman, thought so poorly of me that I continued my iEN account anyway.
FWIW, I could have simply moved WBFH to another server. I had offers from other hosts that were willing to take on iEN over the issue. I chose to let it go.
I know what software piracy is. It can typically be found on blue CD-ROM disks and FTP servers that can't seem to maintain a constant IP address.
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You are quoting me out of context.
Yes, Linux is very good server and mainframe software, but is it good on a consumer level?
Yeah lets play AH on Linux.
And if you dont like Windows 98 or Me, try Windows 2000, I tried it and found very few flaws.
Its just the underdog syndrome really. People just want to hate the leading company.
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I pay for software that: A. I Like B.Works well.
I haven't given Bill any of my money.
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Awww Sandman did I touch a nerve? LOL same old toejam fro myou, nothing new there LOL
Animal> I'd say Linux is just as good on a consumer level, try any off the shelf boxed version of Linux. They have all been made just as user friendly to setup as Windows. I'd love to play AH on linux, ifact when I next get round to doing it I'd like to see if one of the numerous Windows emulators would run it.
I've used Win 3.11, 95, 95 OSR2, 98, 98SE, ME, NT4, NT4 Server and Win 2000 and while one set of bugs from the previous version gets fixed a whole load more open up. My own fault really this time I bought into all the hype about ME being more stable and having alot more features..well I won't make that mistake again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I used to have a system setup with three partitions running Red Hat Linux, Win 98SE and Win NT4, out of the three Linux was most stable followed by NT4 and then Win98SE. Star Office is a very nice product and does everything the MS Office suite does but MS has held its monopoly for so long that its still taking time for people to try another system and convert over.
My opinion does not stem from an underdog system, far from it but Microsoft has become a 'leading company' by using underhand business tactics, tactics which has seen them end up in court on numerous occassions and seen them let off because they have the money to sit on a case and hold up the process until the prosecution run out of money.
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Originally posted by Revvin:
Awww Sandman did I touch a nerve? LOL same old toejam fro myou, nothing new there LOL.
I don't recall us having any conversations in the past. If you're as irritating as you like to believe, I would remember it.
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Win95 came with my system (since all pc manufacturers have been assimilated). Since then I have not even purchased a single MS product.
Friend gets Win98 upgrade? whohoo, my win95 license still works in it. Someone else gets Win98 to win2000 upgrade? whohoo the the license number will still work.
Same thing with word and other mscrap. Love to upgrade for free.
Been looking into Linux and even thinking on digging up a copy of OS/2 . Too bad games are not supported in it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Gates, <F>!!!!
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There is no pirated software on my PC. I bought Windows 2000 and Office 2000. Of course, utexas.edu made a deal with MS so they only cost me $5/cd. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) That's just my game box though, my file server runs OpenBSD. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Me irritating? you'd know if I wanted to be irritating, my comment about the same old toejam from you, well it is the same tired old lines from you trying to excuse the parasites that took revenue away from iEN and damaged Warbirds a great deal, the same old toejam also applies to you getting your panties all bunched when confronted over this issue.
Tac> Really? I thought they changed the code layout each release, will have to check it out LOL serves em right in a way as each new 'version' was no ore than a patch at the end of the day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Interesting thread, Sandman, thanks.
Isn't it strange that at the same time AH offers 8 way H2H; AW removed H2H capability in it's latest version.
Does the new WB (3?) have H2H still?
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Revvin... there is no issue. There hasn't been for some time now. You don't know anything about it except what you've gathered from the periphery and I won't be losing any sleep over your uninformed, self-righteous, vitriolic opinion of me. Opinions are like amazinhunks... Everyone has one... some of them stink.
By all means... keep your opinion... I have absolutely no desire to change it.
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Seeker... why did AW disable the feature? As for WB... no clue... been flying AH for months now... have no intention of going back to WB.
cheers
sand
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Not just my opinion though as many shared the same view when all this first came out..funny how we're all wrong and you are right eh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Seeker> AFAIK there is no H2H in WBIII Beta and H2H has been broken a while in WB, partly thanks to the Freehosters.
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Rather doubt that the lack of H2H on WB3 has anything to do with FreeHosters... that server that is running in Russia is an entirely different setup than the one Itmo created. As I understand it from posts on the Freebirds UBB, it's not an exploitation of the WB H2H feature. It's a full-blown arena with rolling planesets and other additions, exactly what iEN feared all along.
Of course, I could be wrong. I don't know anything about Freebirds other than what I've read on the UBB.
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I'm sorry, but the arguments for piracy being ok because Microsoft sucks so bad are so diddlying weak its pathetic.
I do believe many people today take so much for granted that they just assume that everything was always this easy. They forget that there used to be a list of compatable cards on the back of every game that wanted to use more than 4 colors. They forget what it was like trying to free up 620k of lower memory to run AOTP or Falcon3. They forget what it was like before plug and play and cheap components.
Now, people feign ignorance and vilify a company that has done more for software development than any of them are even remotely willing to admit.
Sure.. cite the bugs.. cite whatever other feable excuse you want to come up with. Most people know better, even if they don't want to admit it.
AKDejaVu
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you can only crank out totaly buggy toejam and expect people to pay extravagent prices for it for so long.......thats about all there is to it.
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
you can only crank out totaly buggy toejam and expect people to pay extravagent prices for it for so long.......thats about all there is to it.
Then vote with your wallet. Don't buy it.
It doesn't justify stealing. Ever. And that is what software piracy is. Period.
So run along Mr Pirate; you'll get no pat on the back from me.
-Smut
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You steal a lot of Ford Pintos?
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Then vote with your wallet. Don't buy it.
Exactly.
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
Exactly.
But then don't use it either or it is STEALING slick. Is your next thread going to justify murder or adultery?
Eagler
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you can only crank out totaly buggy toejam and expect people to pay extravagent prices for it for so long.......thats about all there is to it.
Are we talking about Microsoft here?
Are we talking about Operating Systems here?
I seriously question your definition of "extravagent prices" if you are referring to the two above prices.
I paid $70 in 1992 for Win 3.0. I received Win95 beta for free then paid $79 when it was released in October of 95. I then paid $79 three years later for Win98. That is a grand total of $228 over 10 years. Pretty incredible eh? Not anywhere near extravagent by any means.
Since the advent of Win95, a new level of standardization has crept in. Now, virtually everything you buy will work on your PC. Virtually everything on the software shelves will work on your PC. Virtually everything being developed will work on your PC. Do you even have the slightest idea why that is? I don't think you do.
But then you are just a spoiled snot nosed brat that never really had to pay for or worry about anything before in his life. Standardization is simply seen as limitation and can then be used as justification for you not really having to do or pay anything in order to be entertained. Its like stealing a sony playstation in order to play PS2 games, but feeling justified because sony is actually monopolistic and hasn't really done anything for you.
Its pathetic to sit here and even remotely justify your actions. Either steal it and move on, or buy it and not worry about it. Just don't come here and try to come off as if you are some kind of victim in the grand scheme of things. I seriously doubt you really know what it means to be mistreated by a company, organization or anything else for that matter.
Now please go back to whatever free game it is that you are currently playing. Go back to making demands simply because you decided to play their game for free and that it somehow magically transforms you into something very similar to a customer. Go back to talking about how toejamty stolen software is. toejamty stolen software that you can't seem to live without.
That's it for you wobble.. enough wasted font.
AKDejaVu
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Go back to making demands simply because you decided to play their game for free and that it somehow magically transforms you into something very similar to a customer.
HTC has more of my money than Microsoft will ever see.
Now climb off your high horse before ya bust yer ass.
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
Now climb off your high horse before ya bust yer ass.
Two words for you, Mr Pirate:
Bite Me
-Smut
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Mr Pirate:
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Its Captian Pirate
You land lubbing som-squeak.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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AKDejaVu:
*claps*
MARVELOUS speech!
Everything I wanted to say, and then some more.
I'm pretty tired of people trying to justify their actions with some toejamty excuses and blaming companies.
If you need their software, buy it.
If you STOLE IT, then just say "hey, I couldnt pay it, so I copied it" I have done it once and then. But dont come here trying to pass yourself as a Robin Hood.
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I dont want to seem like a robin hood at all, Microsoft makes a very needed bust very toejamty product, I deem ut unworthy of my hard earned money, so i make the proper choice... I was just curius of what others though obout pirating windows xx
No the title says
"Pirating Windows....Evil or Justified?..Justified Evil??"
NOT
"I steal software and i think its right so go diddly yourselves"
I dont advocate stealing software in general at all..but Windows....pffft.
I would venture to guess that at least 70% of the people here did not pay for the version of windows they are using...
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the point is
"I steal software and i think its right so go diddly yourselves"
would be a much more acceptable title.
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
You land lubbing som-squeak
Dude, it's quite likely that I have more time at sea than you have on the toejamter.
You lose again.
-Smut
AT2, USN 1984-91
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
I dont advocate stealing software in general at all..but Windows....pffft.
Stealing is stealing.
Run along, pirate scum. As a software developer, I have no sympathy for you or your whining.
-Smut
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While yer out there stealin' software Wobbly....consider a spell checker wouldya?
*disclaimer - all spellings in this post are intentional in order to portray the proper dialect that Wobbly is accustomed to.