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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Staga on October 06, 2001, 02:57:00 AM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1282278145 (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1282278145)
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Heheheheheheh
Made my day!
(Walks away still chuckling...............)
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i bid for 15cents but someone outbid me for 20cents and i'm not willing to pay more than that
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ROFL!!
What are the system requirements?
Pentium III 600, 256MB RAM, 32MB 3D Video Card, DirectSound Compatible Audio Card, 40X CD ROM, 56K Modem w/Internet Access
What SHOULD you have?
Pentium 4, 2gig , 1gig RAM, 64MB 3D Video Card, DirectSound Compatible Audio Card, 40X CD ROM, broadband internet connection. a LOT of patience and free time. Medication for lowering your blood pressure. Tolerance.
[ 10-06-2001: Message edited by: BagPiper ]
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I bid 2 bits!
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2 bits? Maybe if the CD is re-writeable.
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The highest bid right now is 50 cents. Is it worth it?
:D
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.55 cents. :)
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I got a copy I will give away LOL
[ 10-07-2001: Message edited by: fscage ]
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"These maps are essential to gameplay, which is why CRS didn't include one."
Too funny. :D
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Read that today and thought it was funny as hell!
Skyhigh hit it right on the head though.
BTW when I left he was up to $5.50.
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I cannot belive that is it up so high.
Amazing he is getting anything for it. One of the funniest ways I have ever seen to sell something though.
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If he mentioned it'll cost $10/month to play, I bet no one woulda bid on it! ;)
Oh, there's one world now finally. They've gone to a % full metric instead of actual number of people on the server. It was around 35% when I checked over the weekend to share a laugh with a friend.
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Keep laughing you smug bastids, I'm having a great time in there, and 35% of 3600 is what?
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A lie?
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35% of 3600 is 1260. 1260 out of the 40,000 or so that bought the game. :razz: But as of now we don't know if that server even HOLDS 3600 people. And wasn't the one world supposed to hold 10,000 people?
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Gadfly-
Would be interested to get your perspective on the game balance right now. That was the straw on this camel's back. I ain't waiting anymore for "soon" and "1.30". I also don't intend to read another arrogant Axis player tell the Allies how to play smarter.
Those "boyz" can have their game. Even Hatch tonight was telling the Allies to get organized. Man, that guy is a putz.
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Here is my take on it:
I log in, locate a battle somewhere and join. I talk to whoever is there and we attack as a gaggle, sometimes with a wingy.
I'm just a poor old foot soldier, don't know or care the big picture, just my own little slice of it while I'm logged on. And It is fun as hell.
'cest la vive'
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Wish I could do it like that. Just had my fill of the forums and the lopsided play. I won't enumerate the problems I found, suffice to say it wasn't... satisfactory.
Hope you have fun, sincerely. Not my cup of tea. S!
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There is the key Gadfly..you play inf.
I want to be in a tank but tanks are frowned on unless you play axis and even then you have to join some snot nose general wannabe's mission. If you are lucky enough to get in because of spawn limits you get killed by a short burst from an inf MG.
Fun right?
The game had a lot of potential but CRS showed they weren't capable of providing what they sold us and they continue to screw people.
WWIIO should be renamed Quake IV: We like Axis best.
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Originally posted by Mighty1:
I want to be in a tank but tanks are frowned on unless you play axis.
Accept it Mighty1, the axis had at this point 1940 the better Equipment (Tanks).
The Allied have to fight with what they had, simply as that. Join the Axis if you can't fight with allies tanks. But wait till the US joins
with theyr equipment ;)
Well i wait for my Jagdpanther anyway! hehe
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Take your whining to wwiiol boards where it belongs.
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LMAO @ Gadfly... I poked my head into the ww2ol forums the other day to see how things were going over there (I still hope they might have fixed it finally).
Well... every third thread was about "CTDs". Man it was ruthless. Anyone that criticized CRS was stomped on heavily by the cheerleaders.
Gadfly, your pissing into the wind dude. You may enjoy it, but we do know what the real story is there.
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I have no intention of kicking this up here, Staga. The guys here that want to read it there do, the ones that don't want to won't want to hear it here. Suffice to say I have been labeled a whiner there for stating my view.
Not sure if you meant me. :)
[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: Kieran ]
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT:
Accept it Mighty1, the axis had at this point 1940 the better Equipment (Tanks).
The axis were having the better equipement availlable ,not the better overall read about the Somua S35 and the D520 or the Block 155.
The german were also using better tactics than the allied ...
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Originally posted by Staga:
Take your whining to wwiiol boards where it belongs.
it's ok to bash it here though, right Staga? :D
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The first mistake you are making is to even bother with their boards. Why would look for information there, and what would that have to do with the game?
Play the game, it is fun, and now with the spawn limitations(there are no limits), it is even better.
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Well Gadfly, I suppose the first reason anyone would go there is quite simply because the documentation supplied with the game isn't worth toejam. Of course, there isn't really another alternative to getting info necessary to play the game... so... you must endure the hell that is the CRS bbs.
I still remember how deeply I had to dig to find out if you loaded the game into the "Program Files" directory, it wouldn't let you log on. People were much to concerned with denying there were any problems and arguing about it than actually finding solutions.
Ah well... there must be a reason we don't go there, but you keep returning here.
AKDejaVu
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Here is my prob with that; I do see gameplay issues that prevent me from having fun there. E-mails to CRS are fruitless because:
1. Nothing is ever their fault;
2. There aren't any problems(!) to begin with, and;
3. They won't answer the mail anyway.
So you see, I walk away or I attempt to wade into their boards. As you well know, the elite bodyguard will wrestle you to the ground if you make any attempt to criticize CRS. In my case the fantacism stirred a reaction in me I should have avoided. I eventually opted to walk away even as CRS is once again pointing at the player base as the source of problems.
Seriously though, those are my personal views and you may not share them. I certainly don't wish to make the same arguments here, because these guys don't need to hear it.
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Originally posted by Kieran:
because these guys don't need to hear it.
then we don't have to read it. ;) this is an off-topic forum, is it not? Meaning Aces High players can discuss anything and everything here. If someone doesn't want to hear your views on WWIIOL, then they don't open the thread. Same with those that don't like baseball or college football. :) If you don't want to share your views because you just don't want to, that's fine. Honestly, I like hearing other AH players' viewpoints on WWIIOL. Guess I'm the weirdo around here though. lol
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roflmao
the way I see it, all the serious MMOG fliers are still here and they are all I care about anyway. havent heard one person say they left AH (or prolly even WB for that matter) for WWIIOL's superior flight modelling. :rolleyes:
you guys can have your ground war and enjoy it over there. When the system specs stop being something akin to an Athlon 1.4g with GF2GTS with 512MB ram, maybe i'll spend the money on it but by then the game will be in the bargain box at EB for under $10. :) I went in there a week or so ago and there were 7 copies of the game on the shelf. An employee told me that before selling it to anyone they hafta tell em about the patches and crap.
hehe. It just makes me smile.
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Well, AK, truth be known, this board resembles that one in one important aspect: The self proclaimed board police, like yourself.
I don't fly AH, but I do like (some) of this community, so until you buy HTC and boot me, I guess you will just have to put up with me.
Life's a squeak ain't it?
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Ah.. gotcha Gadfly.
So the basic difference is that while I decide not to frequent that board, you still chose to frequent this one.
Basically.. one is better?
Hmmm.
And if you're trying to compare me to what goes on over there... I'll have to say that's a pretty big leap.
Until then, you can reside to your AH BBS "police police" role and continue acting as if someone slamming WWIIOnline on this board really has any relevance to you or that community.
AKDejaVu
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can I be the police that polices the police police??? puhleeze???? hehehe
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I don't care what anyones opinions are, AK, that is where we differ. I will try and give a contrasting viewpoint, if I feel it is relevant, but I don't think you will ever see me berating a game(if I don't play it) or a person with a different view, unlike you and a certain minority both here and there.
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Ah.. the "I do not care yet I reply" reply.
As for your "never berating of a game"... I'm still laughing about that little play on words. Good one.
AKDejaVu
[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: AKDejaVu ]
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I care about the issue, just not what your)royal your) particular opinion is. If someone posts that the game is unplayable, or requires a supercomputer it is simply wrong. You are welcome to your opinon, but mine is different.
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....don't care... must fight urge to reply... must sound condescending... must resort to insults... must play it off as if its other people's fault...
Thanks for stopping by gadfly.
AKDejaVu
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BTW gadfly... read back through the thread a little bit. I said I didn't like the BBS... you made it personal.
I really like the way you introduce insults directed at an individual then play it off as if its their fault that was necessary.
Ahhh... I guess that' pretty typical for the WW2 advocate these days isn't it? Its not our fault we suck.. its everyone elses. Its not our fault we insult people... they really deserve it.
AKDejaVu
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Hey AK, we outta play some type of game, work out our aggressions.
Do you play Nascar4, or GPL or maybe even good old Command and Conquer? I have most non-FPS games of the last 5 years, I'm serious, let's hook up and play something.
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For once, my money is on DjV.
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AKDejaVu, have you played WWIIOL personally during past month? Is your strong reluctance against WWIIOL based on your personal experience? WWIIOL is not perfect, nobody says it is. And yes, you need much better PC to run it sufficiently than you need for AH. But it is still better and better. The great step forward was made from time of its release. The immersion of WWII battles is much stronger than at any other game, even in this unfinished version. You should have to try it to undestand it. I played AH occasionally from its beginning and have regular account from this September, it is good game, good fun but when I am able to get better PC and the WWIIOL war starts "for real" it will be my primary sim anyway. I am fan of WWII history and this AH mixed Ally/Axis quakish arena doesn`t make me very happy.
czpetr
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Hmmmm. Never played WW2, have not purchased it. I do troll the BBS over there from time to time to see how things are progressing.
The problem I have is two-fold.
1) While some say, "ignore the BBS", I do have to note a Grand Canyon wide gap in the postings. Some say it runs fine, others say it doesn't. There appears to be about a 50/50 split between the groups. This bothers me and keeps me from plunking down 40 bucks. I expect bugs in software, and am very well versed at working around bugs, but the type of bugs expressed by the community is pretty significant.
And that brings me to the other reason why I cannot get into the game. The community. The WW2 BBS is a pretty nasty board. People constantly flaming others, people complaining about all manner of game play, and the overall rudeness is just disgusting.
I harbor no ill-will towards anyone at WW2, but the BBS/community will keep me from ever even trying the game.
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Skuzzy..
Screw you; yah lard assed panzie... who sez the BBS is hateful and insensitive. And where do ya come off saying the program is bugged? WHO sez the programs bugged?? (they all lie and are jealous because they don't have a Cray on timeshare, but so fediddlein what...)
Ahhhhhh. I feel much better now.
And Skuz, I love yah man.. I never bought that POS sim either. :D
Is that a Bud light yer drinkin??
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I do have the game, and I do play it sometimes. However, I don't like infantry games, and I don't care all that much for tank battles. I like and want to fly. Yes I can do that in WWIIOL right now. (900mhz athlon, 512mb pc133 ram, 64mb geforce2gts get anywhere from 5-40fps regardless of resolution.) Yes, the game is immersive. I know if I'm in a Spit or Hurri, I will be fighting 109s or Stukas. The flight model isn't all that bad, it feels ok. (sorry, SWulfe!!) However, blinking dots on the edge of your visual range (same with GVs, he's there, no he's not, maybe he is...), lack of weather, the same cloud cover everywhere at the same altitudes, porked auto mission generators, and other issues I have with the game have made up my mind not to subscribe when the servers go pay to play. It's not worth it to me. If it's worth it to someone else, great and hope they continue enjoying it. If the game ever gets to where I would enjoy it more, I might subscribe.
hehe, and then there's the quality of pilots in WWIIOL. ;)
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I harbor no ill-will towards anyone at WW2, but the BBS/community will keep me from ever even trying the game.
Bingo!
I had a similar problem when I flew FA....to read the FA BBS and to actually fly in the game were two different things.....if I were not familiar with the game and read the BBS, I would have never tried it.
Same with WWII -- most of the stuff on the BBS is, well, no comment. And yet, when I'm in the game playing, I don't see the same attitudes all the time. I think there's always a vocal part of any community tht can trash a BBS and give a bad impression; with WWII there are a lot of vocal people.
In all honesty, between AH FA and WWII, this board here is by far the best of the three (in my experience).
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Czeptr,
I have not played WW2OL in the last month. I don't believe I've said anything in regards to game play in this thread.
I have stopped by the WW2OL bbs in the last month. That hasn't changed at all.
The reasons for not liking the game are mine and mine alone. I do find your referance to AH having a "QUAKE" arena quite humorous. I guess it all boils down to definition. Basically, its how you define the environment the game is played in. If I were to play WW2OL off-line against computer AI, I would find it immersive. But playing in the environment that is provided is anything akin to playing quake. Its not what the enemy is wearing or driving that does/doesn't make it more like quake... its how the game is played. WW2OL is no more/less an "arena" environment that AH. In both games you do what you want to do, play how you want to play and are not accountable for your actions in any tangeable capacity.
About the only truly emersive games I've played were racing sims... GPL, NASCAR 4 and Indy Racing. The rest are just games... "Quakefests" if you will.
AKDejaVu
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I've been a beta tester for CRS for a few months now........and....um.....I dont exactly go back there much anymore. Every time CRS release a new update I try it out in the vain hope that there'll be some direction to the game at last but all I see is people running around like headless chickens complaining that there's too many panzers.
Apparently there's supposed to be a command staff planning stragety but I have seen zero evidence of any planning at all. The radio channels SUCK big time, there's zero communication between different branches (eg, air force > ground forces), you hardly ever see anyone helping anyone else out. The worst thing is the view system, that I dont even wanna talk about cos months ago I tried bringing it up on the BBS but got shouted down as usual. Cheerleading bastards.
To have an entertaining experience in WW2OL you need to be part of a HUGE squad with a great bunch of lads you like. That's the only way to get any co-operation. However, I'm already part of a huge squad with some great lads in it over here so I see no reason to hang about in WW2OL any longer than necessary to find out the latest release sucks as bad as the last one.
The only good thing I'll say about it is that driving a tank is kinda cool....it just feels nice. Doesnt look nice though......graphics are straight out of Walt Disney's book of colouring for 6 year olds.
Anyone who thinks the infantry combat in WW2OL is good should go play Operation Flashpoint for a while.......now when they get the netcode right in that game it's gonna be big (no software limit on players I heard).
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Since we are already discussing this, I will add my viewpoint (disclaimer: I intensely dislike Hatch and company et al, so take my points with a grain of salt. If this dissuades you from reading further, so be it):
The good:
Infantry- that the game has them at all is a plus. There are a small variety of units with clearly defined abilities and goals.
Tanks: These are the best in MMOG at the moment.
Atmosphere: It is an immersive atmosphere.
Flight: In appearance and "feel" (hehe) some aspects are good.
The bad:
Infantry: Modelling is stiff and unnecessarily clumsy. Infantry can/have done amazingly stupid stunts such as cling to the wings of planes, jump off tall buildings with a single bound, fly through the air...
Tanks: Horribly flawed damage models allow mg's to disable turret cannon. Silly.
Flight: The flight model is a joke. There is no drag modelled, or if it is, creatively so. I knife-edge flew a Stuka to 20K no problem. I dogfought Spitfires(with a Stuka) and currently hold something like a 200:1 ratio against Allied aircraft. I ain't that good.
The ugly:
Mismatch in numbers: It exists. Don't let anyone kid you, it exists.
Mismatch in equipment: This game cannot be played evenly, every major advantage has been handed to the Axis, including ahistorical ones.
Connections: Vary, but in many, many cases terribly frequent CTD's. This has gotten better for some, worse for others. No full answer has ever been given. It might also be noted it happens to too many people to just lay it on the ISP's.
Accountability: CRS to this day continues to lead the industry in averting blame for problems of their creation. They are also becoming world famous for hiding behind the skirts of their fans while the complaints roll in.
Demands (system and otherwise): This is not a game for the casual user- it just isn't. No matter what the box says, or the supportive players say, there is a very good possibility if you buy this game, even if you have a top-of-the-line-system that plays everything else, that the game will not work for you. You will be told it is your fault and that you are stupid. CRS will probably do nothing to help you while you become more and more incensed by the fanbase that will butt-rape you for even suggesting something is wrong. In short, a newbie walking in there will quickly learn to close his mouth and toe the party line.
Summary: If you just have to play a game like this and you are certain you won't have trouble tweaking your rig enough to get it to work, go ahead and buy it. It's like a '57 Chevy; in some ways it feels good to have one, but the cost and time of keeping it working just ain't worth it for many.
[ 10-10-2001: Message edited by: Kieran ]
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Good points, Kieran, all of them.
I understand some of the Rats reasoning about the communications, but I am not sure I agree with it. It is a simulation, and there was no instant communication between the air and ground forces, and usually not much in the way of instant, direct communication between the commanders and the troops. It actually models this very well. The question is do we want that aspect modeled?
I think not, and it is just stupid to be looking at a friendly(or enemy, for that matter), and not be able to converse with him.
I have to admit that I have never played a first person shoot game, so I can't reference the genre. I find myself using cover, pacing myself, and a lot of times, I make(to me) a successful mission of scouting without ever firing my gun.
I don't play very often, but when I do it is usually just one 60-90 minute mission, then I'm done. I have never seen a flying tank, truck or Infantry, although I know they exist. I have seen some funny, odd and annoying things, but then, I see those everywhere.
Hey AK, come play at Growl: http://vpaddock.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forums&file=index&action=viewforum&forum=6&158 (http://vpaddock.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forums&file=index&action=viewforum&forum=6&158)
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That is fair too, Gadfly. Hey, a lot of people really like the game- who am I to tell them they are not having fun? When it is all said and done it either adds up to more fun than friction, or vice versa. For me it was the latter.
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<S> to all who tried the game personally, no matter if you like it or don`t like it. Everybody has right to have different opinion. The biggest fault of CRS IMHO is that the game was put for sale in such unfinished stage instead of release it as free download and free beta for all. Nobody could complain than about high price and broken one's promises. The good point is that the development of the game is continuing and most of the bugs and bad things is solved or will be solved soon. No MMOG is perfect from beginning. Don`t you remember beginning of AH (Confirmed Kill, WB, Ultima Online? The only difference is you need not buy it or pay for download (except UO I think). The point of this thread is: is it worth to buy WWIIOL for $ 1 or so? I am convinced it is worth. It`s almost the same as to download free demo, try it for month and if you don`t like it you can throw it to trash without any money loss. It is more honest than to laught and bush something someone never tried and know it only from BSs of BBSs.
czpetr
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Keiran, it's because the majority of people playing the game have no concept of how to fly. The Spitfire requires some degree of rudder control to get off the ground. Many times I've heard people complaining that they can't take off. If they can't even do that, how are they going to fight? Most everyone just turns one direction in a fight; they pick left, right or up and stick with it the entire fight. Look at my AH stats for the past couple of tours, you can see I'm pretty mediocre. I've been shot down twice in all my WWIIOL time. Once was a pilot hit on me, poor pilot died before I hit the ground. The other time was the first time I learned you can lose external sounds. I had no clue someone was hitting me! LOL, figured out what was wrong when I re-upped and heard no sounds from the flaps and gear. Anyways, I've only seen two smart 109s out of the past 20 I've encountered.
Can you take out the Allied tanks with a 109? We can't hurt the panzers with the .303's, unless the guy leaves his windows open and we get lucky. LOL
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I've heard you can take out tanks with a 109, but I have never knowingly done it. I know it is near impossible with the Allied aircraft, as it should be. Understand, I spent the last month playing the Allied side exclusively.
Yes, the pilot skill level in WWIIO is laughable- I can kill about anyone I have met or they have to run. My point on the Stuka is that in 200 pilots I should have run into someone that understood their plane, yet I was able to outfly them in an aircraft that was considered a deathtrap to Allied air after the BoB. Simply put, if the other guy had any clue at all what his plane could do, I should have no chance. Yet I could consistantly go hunting for dogfights in my Stuka. I had to laugh every time I heard someone yelling for a gunner- even refusing to lift off until they could find one. I would always yell "Why? You don't need one, dogfight 'em!" I even made one of our "generals" mad when I lit out after a Spitfire that was vultching our field. "You can't dogfight in a Stuka, you'll get slaughtered!" I shot the Spit down and returned for another bomb....
Which brings me to another account. I once made a Wiltz/Bert run, dove on the hangar and pulled out. As you say, you often lose sound so I didn't think anything of not hearing the bomb drop. I continued to fight in the area, dogfighting a variety of the Allied samplings until I was sure I was out of ammo. When I was nearly back to Wiltz I happened to look at the floor window, and noted the point of my bomb was still visible. That's right, I had killed 3 Allies outright and damaged 5 more, all with the bomb attached. No arguing that, the flight model is FUBAR.
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Kieren, that is correct. The Stuka was a deathtrap. In a dogfight it would always loose, mainly becasue of weight and manuverability. If you were able to kill several Allies WITH the bomb, something is screwed. <G>
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I played it of a while. In fact (Says with grimace) I bought a new computer system just for that game. I bout more than Double what they recommended and yet my FPS was bad. I put in more ram , tweaked til it was tweaked beyond belief and still , FPS and Lag and CTD's.
Aksed a few time why got hammwered and told I was a Computer Dumb Ass. (Which I am but do not need to be told). Infantry is not my thing. Oncxe in a while it was fun , but not often. Driving a tank for 10 minutes to get to a battle to die with 1 shot is not EVEN fun. SO , I played what I played and liked the most. Flying. But alas in a big fight the FPS was a slide show and that is simply unacceptable to me. I don't fly Luftwobble planes and the SPit was absolutley the easiest to kill in. I am like most in here. Just a half bellybutton pilot who flyies for fun and an occasional good fight. I had 3 GREAT fights in WW2 that each lasted about 20-30 minutes. (Feul was unlimited). My KD was like Kierans and I'm not that great.
Just cant see paying for that type of frag fest as they call it when I can come here and learn from the best Online Pilots of them all.
Jackal
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WW2online is better than AH of course!
There also more Players like in AH of course!
AH is for Newbies and American :O)
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I love it when the people who play Axis on WWIIO come on and defend the lack of balance in the game.
Ya know what? I refuse to play on a side that has no chance what so ever of winning and I refuse to play on a side that has all the advantages the programmers(I use that term loosly in CRS case) can give them AND the majority of the people playing.
The Axis side has screamed from day 1 that the Allies were to stronge and that they should be able to run all over them so what does CRS do? They take every chance the Allies had away from them and call it SPAWN LIMITS!
Sorry this game had a lot of potential but CRS screwed it up(worse than they did their code) so there is no way in hell it will work.
Just look at the numbers 7.8% of 2400 playing right now. 192 people! The most you ever see is 40% or 960 people. Yeah they are going to make it with those numbers!
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hehe, actually, I like playing on the Allied side. Target rich environment up in the skies. Oh well, I'm done playing though. It goes pay for play over the weekend, and I'm not paying, so I ain't playing.
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3600 per server, CRS says.
I started playing Axis, because in the beginning, there were a lot more Allies. Just as in any game, the majority will move to the side that has (percieved) uber-equipment. When they fixed some things, it gave the Axis an advantage that is historical(ignoring what equpment is modeled). The ignorant masses moved to the Axis, and there are probably a good bit more of them now than Allies.
Putting in a way to determine the split would make it worse, trust me.
Me, I play Axis, just because I am used to it.
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Kieren the most stukas lost in a month during bob was 59(? cant remember but close) from all causess out of 360 or so. While high it certainly wasn't the "death trap" the allies claim it was. It was withdrawn from bob because the lw had switched tactics from radar and airfields to mass formation bomb raid using twin engine bombers (ju 88 he 111 etc...)
The allies (i know all sides overclaimed) overclaimed there kills by a wide margine and did so with the stuka. When it was withdrawn it was assumed based on kill claims and the known numbers of available stukas that they were withdrawn because they were killed off.
It however did not have the capability to enter a furball aginst 5 spits and win as I have done in wwiiol in a stuka.
I'll do a search on a thread I had posted previously on this board with "exact" numbers of stukas available and losses during bob and punt it.
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I'll never argue the numbers with you, I believe you are right. I will argue til the cows come home about the survivability of the Stuka in an environment where the Germans did not possess air superiority.
Even that is moot, though. In the above scenario I lifted off the deck and overcame a huge energy deficit (no such thing in that game) to kill that Spit, and he saw me the whole time. Granted, he was a fool to hang in the fight when it was obvious he was losing angles, but he did use the vertical quite a bit. He must have been thinking "how is that Stuka staying with me?!", 'cause I sure was thinking it.
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Kieran why don't you calculate Spit's and Stuka's power to weight and kg to square meter ratios.
Have you ever wondered why Il-2 can turn with fighters in low speed in AH?
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Talk to Toad in a Val, Stiggie in a Stuka. Hell, I've kilt p40s and spits in both, and I suck in Warbirds. If they are stupid, and get down with you, or you are lucky in the rear, they die.
This is in no way an endorsement of the WW2OL FM, just a refutation that the Stuka in particular, and slow planes in general, are EZ meat.
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Oh, I know the Stuka compares favorably that way- the weight and wing area are close. Where I find disagreement is in the drag of both aircraft and possibly the roll rate of the WWIIO Stuka. You tell me, am I wrong there? Admittedly I am not an engineer, so your input is valuable.
Look, I am not trying to beat this to death. When I brought this out on the WWIIO BBS it was to illustrate how one could grab what must be considered the worst "fighter" in the game and fair evenly with what might be considered one of the best fighters of the game. I shut up about it eventually because it appeared everyone there thought the flight model was perfect, or dang near it. "Version 1.x will fix that, don't worry!" hehe.
Shoot, I know if you mess around with an uber-Val you can get your butt handed to you. ;)