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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Oldman731 on January 04, 2006, 03:17:35 PM
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The interesting lesson for me this week is that I'm more fearful of meeting a well-flown P-38G than the "new" Spit 5.
(Although I have observed that many who are flying 38Gs should spend some more time learning their quirks.)
What's your experience?
- oldman
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The Spit V was defanged in the last update. Half the cannon loadout.
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I think both are very competetive in the right hands. the key is that now the outcome of the fight is determined by the player and not the vehicle. to me the rediculous hurricane is the deadliest plane in the allied inventory this week. it can kill you out to 1.2k, far too gamey for a plane that was relegated to the ground attack role in 1942 because it was not competetive against the frontline fighters it ran up against. on the other hand the same could be said about the Bf110C I had no problem turning it against all but the Hurri and then it depended on who was in the Hurri.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
The interesting lesson for me this week is that I'm more fearful of meeting a well-flown P-38G than the "new" Spit 5.
(Although I have observed that many who are flying 38Gs should spend some more time learning their quirks.)
What's your experience?
- oldman
Won't fly the Spit as long as there are American planes. I've been trying to learn the 38, but like you said I has a few quirks, and I'm struggling in it. I've been flying the P-40e some , but if the LW guy knows what he's doing your pretty hard pressed to win in it. So back to banging my head against the 38 I guess.:aok
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38G is a great plane. About a month and storch and I were defending a base in the MA agenst some seafires and I needed something that could turn inside them so I hoped in one. I was pwning them left and right becasue they thought I wouldnt beable to hang with a spit lets just say they learned the hard way over and over again. Only thing you need to know is once your slow dont try to roll over. If they try a sissor in a turn fight keep turning the way you are youll get them on the other side of the turn.
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I've seen my best luck in the spitV. If I'm on the deck, which I usually am, I find that I can at least control the fight... to a point. The 38G, well... I just never could get my head wrapped around a twin engine fighter, that's just a personal limitation I need to get over.
The P-40E, yeah, what Shifty said. If you're up against someone who knows LW iron, then it's not going to end well; too many weaknesess to be exploited in my opinion. Then again, I'm sure a more veteran stick would teach me a thing or two in it.
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Originally posted by Shifty
I've been trying to learn the 38, but like you said I has a few quirks, and I'm struggling in it.
Grits taught me the best lesson in the 38G, which was: when you use the flaps (which you should do a lot), don't pull heavy Gs. Let the flaps do the work for you. Once you get the hang of that, you fly it like you'd fly a spitfire. Pretty amazing plane.
Same technique works with the Corsair.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Grits taught me the best lesson in the 38G, which was: when you use the flaps (which you should do a lot), don't pull heavy Gs. Let the flaps do the work for you. Once you get the hang of that, you fly it like you'd fly a spitfire. Pretty amazing plane.
Its hard to do, but even moreso than other planes you really have to avoid the temptation to pull more AoA (Angle of Attack) as you slow down in the 38G. Like Oldman said, walk the flaps down and keep light (lighter than you think at first) stick pressure and the plane will turn much faster than if you are forcing it to pull max AoA. It is capable of more AoA before it stalls, but your turn rate is actually less and you are in much more danger of one of those flat spins.
Even the defanged SpitV is more dangerous than a P-38G IMO, although its a very close run thing. The Spit is....well its a Spit, 'nuff said, even with 12+ boost and less ammo, I dont fear anything in one. The 38G is better in the vertical than the SpitV, turns darn near as well, longer range and has better gun placement.
The P-38Gs two biggest problems are like all 38's its too big a target for my tastes, and the HORRID monstrosity they call armored glass. The armored glass severely limits forward view is critical areas for making passing snapshots as people overshoot. That is something I just am not willing to deal with.
Between the P-40E and the P-38G I'll take the P-40E any day if for no other reasons than the smaller target and better forward view.
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The G is awsome OM!,, I've learned it quite well in the CT that I'm flying it in the MA, racking up the perk points.
Unbelievable Looping abilities, just have to control your E (no wep).
Flat turn anytime, cuts inside most LW planes. Take the small gun package;)
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I prefer the 38. When I set one on fire it burns a long time and provides nice ambient lighting. Kinda reminds me of sitting around the campfire when I was a kid.
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Originally posted by Grits
Even the defanged SpitV is more dangerous than a P-38G IMO, although its a very close run thing. The Spit is....well its a Spit, 'nuff said, even with 12+ boost and less ammo, I dont fear anything in one. The 38G is better in the vertical than the SpitV, turns darn near as well, longer range and has better gun placement.
Seems to me that the 38G is faster than the Spit5, which is what makes it a more dangerous plane. My 202 can run down a spit5, but just keeps pace with the 38.
- oldman
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P-38G
0K: 326mph
5k: 344mph
10k: 359mph
20k: 386mph
Spit V only does about 309 with WEP if I remember (or has it dropped since the boost went back down??) so the 38G definitely has a 25mph advantage.
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from my experience the spit and the P38 are about equal, perhaps I habitually do what grits said regarding the control imput from playing the 190, you can't be ham fisted in the 190 and I tend to play everything as if it were a 190. I barely move the joystick 1/4" while playing.
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P-40 should have owned this set up.
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I love the 38G air intakes :)
I havent done too well in the 38G this map. Actually, I dont think Ive ever flown a 38G in game before this map. The last sortie or two I was becoming aware that getting and conserving energy seem to be the most important aspect, and staying in vertical combat.
Other than that I have a hard time seeing through both the armor glass plate and the sight glass. Especially in low sun times, the opacity gets real hard to see through.
I want to fly it more though. I just got out of a good scrap with OM, he 38G me 190A5 and he nearly had me, except that I damaged his 20mm and left engine on the initial low deflection head on pass, this enabled me to survive the ensuing combat until his engine petered out and he went into the drink.
But he flew it very very well and I learned alot just from watching him trail me (minus the 20mm).
OM
Thanks
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Originally posted by o0Stream140o
P-40 should have owned this set up.
The P-40 pwns any set its in Stream. ;)
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Originally posted by o0Stream140o
P-40 should have owned this set up.
Maybe you should come show us how it's done.:aok
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Originally posted by Yeager
I just got out of a good scrap with OM
That certainly was a good scrap. You should be giving lessons on how it's possible to fly the A5 like a spit.
- oldman
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since they reset the spitV back to less than uber, the 38G is harder to kill when in the 109f
the 109e can handle either of them easily except for the best of pilots
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Originally posted by Eagler
since they reset the spitV back to less than uber, the 38G is harder to kill when in the 109f
the 109e can handle either of them easily except for the best of pilots
yup
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I am a P-38 fan. :)
My gunnery is so much better in the 38 then in other AC, but it is a big target.
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Originally posted by daddog
I am a P-38 fan. :)
My gunnery is so much better in the 38 then in other AC, but it is a big target.
well sir you surely mitigate that with your stylish flying. you are one hard to hit player S!!
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Been flying the 38G a lot recently in the MA (tried a couple sorties in the CT this week but the #'s were too lopsided to fly allied). The originally had the same issues with the size and glass in the 38G. The wierd thing is that after a couple weeks the 38 seems to shrink. I'm to the point now where I don't even notice the glass anymore. To me the biggest issue is the G seems underpowered. Not nessesarily a FM issue, but once your slow you're slow for awhile. I'll have to try the flap/AoA that's been discussed here, I'm curious to see how that works.
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Originally posted by daddog
I am a P-38 fan. :)
My gunnery is so much better in the 38 then in other AC, but it is a big target.
You would think with the nose mounted guns everybodys gunnery would be better. For some reason my gunnery is worse in a P-38 then any other U.S. aircraft.:confused:
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Originally posted by Soulyss
Been flying the 38G a lot recently in the MA (tried a couple sorties in the CT this week but the #'s were too lopsided to fly allied). The originally had the same issues with the size and glass in the 38G. The wierd thing is that after a couple weeks the 38 seems to shrink. I'm to the point now where I don't even notice the glass anymore. To me the biggest issue is the G seems underpowered. Not nessesarily a FM issue, but once your slow you're slow for awhile. I'll have to try the flap/AoA that's been discussed here, I'm curious to see how that works.
Another convert!
38Gs and only 38Gs. Who needs the J and L :)
38G's a Spit with two engines and more ammo.
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I flew the allied side for quite a bit tonight and no doubt about it the rides are very very sweet but as with most things if they are much too sweetened they become repugnant. the only match I enjoyed was one where I was in a bostonIII vs a 202. that was truly enjoyable. I honestly don't understand how some players can be in those rides 24/7 but I guess that's the same formula that's utilized to make horse races.
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Originally posted by storch
the only match I enjoyed was one where I was in a bostonIII vs a 202. that was truly enjoyable.
Heh. Guess who was in the 202, and who lost the fight.
Storch, you were doing amazing things with that Boston, I was hugely impressed.
- oldman
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can't claim the credit OM. the allied planes are generally so overmodelled that a mediocre attack platform can compete with arguably one of the best turners in aviation history. It was fun though.
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Another convert!
yeah, yeah, yeah... I'm a sucker for the earlier models for some reason... I perfer the B pony to the D... the 47D11... 109E and F... etc.. I tell myself it's because I like the challenge but I think I may just be a masochist. :)
Anywho Corky you have a 38G wingie anytime now. :)
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I am curious if there was ever an A2A kill recorded for the A20 series....
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Originally posted by storch
can't claim the credit OM. the allied planes are generally so overmodelled that a mediocre attack platform can compete with arguably one of the best turners in aviation history. It was fun though.
Any time I have encountered an A-20 in something fast enough to catch it the A-20 died easily. I didn't matter if I was flying Axis or Allied.
Also the C.202 certainly was not one of the best turners in aviation history. If that is the kind of stuff you are expecting no wonder you are always disappointed and though out garbage about an anti-Axis (anti-Luftwaffe really as the Italian and Japanese rides are quite nice) conspiracy.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Any time I have encountered an A-20 in something fast enough to catch it the A-20 died easily. I didn't matter if I was flying Axis or Allied.
Also the C.202 certainly was not one of the best turners in aviation history. If that is the kind of stuff you are expecting no wonder you are always disappointed and though out garbage about an anti-Axis (anti-Luftwaffe really as the Italian and Japanese rides are quite nice) conspiracy.
it's time for you to find a girlfriend and let go of this unhealthy obsession you have with storch. it looks bad, really.
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Originally posted by storch
can't claim the credit OM. the allied planes are generally so overmodelled that a mediocre attack platform can compete with arguably one of the best turners in aviation history. It was fun though.
LOL...that horse you're beating is dead Storch. The A-20 is close to the weight and power of a P-38, why should it not perform decently? Just because it outperforms your expectations of how it should perform doesnt mean its overmodeled.
Originally posted by Yeager
I am curious if there was ever an A2A kill recorded for the A20 series....
Yes, they were used as night fighters by the RAF in the ETO and also by the USAAF in the PTO before the P-61 got operational.
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Originally posted by storch
can't claim the credit OM. the allied planes are generally so overmodelled that a mediocre attack platform can compete with arguably one of the best turners in aviation history. It was fun though.
ah, an opinion from the resident expert on modelling. Always a valued read. We really should sticky that thread where you backed up all your claims with hard facts and finally silenced the nonbelievers.
More Kool-Aid please!!!!!:noid
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Originally posted by storch
it's time for you to find a girlfriend and let go of this unhealthy obsession you have with storch. it looks bad, really.
:rofl
Neat idea of "obsession". I have over 8000 posts (over 11,000 if you count the 3,000 I lost when they deleted a bunch of the old posts) and I have replied to you what? 10 time? 15 times?
If you think that is obsession you're deluding yourself. Man, I must really have a thing foor poor 'ole banned Kurfurst in that case.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Any time I have encountered an A-20 in something fast enough to catch it the A-20 died easily. I didn't matter if I was flying Axis or Allied.
Heh. Well, you're just one of the hundreds of pilots who are better than me is all, Karnak. No glory there! You really should have seen Storch throw that thing around though, it was pretty amazing.
- oldman