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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Shuckins on January 04, 2006, 11:25:31 PM
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AAHHAAAHHHAAAHHHAAAHHHAAA!!!
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:rofl
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YES!!! :D
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what is up with leinart! WHY WOULD HE HOLD ON TO THE BALL THAT LONG! He knew there was 8 seconds on the clock and he ***** footed around! yeah he was looking for the end zone, but damn man....NFL coaches/players will never tolerate watermelon like that
PS- anyone ever notice reggie bush always seems to be "jumping" into the end zone lol
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USC still has the far better team.
There were some dumb plays along with some totally inexcusable held penalty calls on Texas' side.
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Originally posted by Fruda
USC still has the far better team.
There were some dumb plays along with some totally inexcusable held penalty calls on Texas' side.
I wouldnt say far better team but there is some truth to this. Texas's second touchdown should have never been. The guy's knee was clearly down. Either way they won.
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Originally posted by Fruda
USC still has the far better team.
BS, Texas was the better team, and they proved it. The Texas defense had to face multiple threats, the USC defense had to stop Vince Young, one guy, and they couldn't do it. The guy was a one man show, rushing for 200 yards, passing for 267 and scoring 3TD's. What a great performance, incredible. Tell me his draft stock didn't just skyrocket, he just made millions.
They were interviewing Leinhart as he walked off the field, not sure what he said exactly, but it was something like this "he was great, that's why he's the best quarterback in the nation"
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Originally posted by Fruda
USC still has the far better team.
And thats why they won............. oh wait.
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I think both teams seemed pretty equal. Could not ask for a better game.
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Originally posted by cav58d
what is up with leinart! WHY WOULD HE HOLD ON TO THE BALL THAT LONG! He knew there was 8 seconds on the clock and he ***** footed around! yeah he was looking for the end zone, but damn man....NFL coaches/players will never tolerate watermelon like that...
The NBA has tolerated Chris Webber for 12 years
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There were bad calls on both sides, but to blame the officials and discount the TD is ridiculous. Young had gotten the first down. Who's to say that Texas wouldn't have scored on the very next play?
It was a great game between two great teams, incredible to watch. Congratulations Texas!
BTW, i saw the interview with Leinart afterwards. His comment was that USC was still the better team, Texas just made the plays. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Cougar68
BTW, i saw the interview with Leinart afterwards. His comment was that USC was still the better team, Texas just made the plays. :rolleyes:
I thought that was rather piss poor, but who likes to lose? Was a great game and Im damn glad I saw it.
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awesome game
this one and the Orange Bowl are the way bowls should be
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Coaching 101: Final Exam: Essay
Scenario: Your team is engaged in a bowl game with the national title on the line. You have the ball on the opposition's 45 yard line with less than two minutes to go in the ball game. It is fourth and one. The enemy quarterback was a viable Heisman Trophy candidate during the regular season, and he has ripped your team's defense for more than 500 yards during the game.
The options available to you, the coach, are to punt the ball and try to pin your opponent deep, or to go for it on fourth and one and risk turning the ball over to a dangerous quarterback in the middle of the field.
What decision should you make? Justify your actions.
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I don't blame the USC coach for going for it, and trying to keep the ball out of Youngs hands. I thought Mac Brown should had gone for a couple of 4th downs in the 3rd, and 4th quarters when they were in USC territory to try and keep USC's offense off the field .When USC was scoring every time they had possesion. Instead he got missed FG's. USC was not going for the pin, they were going for the win. Another foot, and it would have been called brilliant, and gutsy coaching. A great game.
Hook Em Horns:aok
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They need to hold the Heisman contest until after the season is over I say.
Hook 'Em![/COLOR]
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Originally posted by Slash27
I thought that was rather piss poor, but who likes to lose? Was a great game and Im damn glad I saw it.
Same interview...what I noticed was when he said "we could not seem to tackle well"...gotta love it when a QB blames his defense for a loss.
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(http://www.hitechcreations.com/natedog/tower.jpg)
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great game...no one play makes a differenc in a game like that. Carrol's been a gambler his whole career. No reason to think his offense couldnt get one yard. Given TX Offense, who says they wouldn't have marched the field anyway?
Too bad the NFL doesn't carry excitement like college football...besides which, it's the ONLY football championship Texans are gonna celebrate for a LONG time
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nah, they will another next year.
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Originally posted by Edbert
Same interview...what I noticed was when he said "we could not seem to tackle well"...gotta love it when a QB blames his defense for a loss.
He said "we" not "they" speaking as a team. Didn't seem like he was blaming anybody but rather stating a fact. They didn't tackle em!
Don't know why so many people got their panties in a bunch over the "I still think we have a better team" comment. It's what he thinks, he didn't slam Texas and he just lost the rose bowl...cut em some slack.
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I KNEW TEXAS COULD DO IT!!!! DONT MESS WITH TEXAS!!
HOOK EM HORNS!
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It was an INCREDIBLY GREAT football GAME. But, why all the thursday morning second guessing and arm chair coaching and why all the blame laying? It was a football GAME. It doesn't really matter, does it?. I love football. Been a participant, coach, and student of the game for 45 years. Nothing else like it in my book. But, while that game was going on, five more U.S. soldiers were killed in Iraq, probably the same age as those playing the football game. That matters.
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Originally posted by Syzygyone
It was an INCREDIBLY GREAT football GAME. But, why all the thursday morning second guessing and arm chair coaching and why all the blame laying?
Cause it's fun?
My wife wondered why I was yelling at the TV... I said "Because they can't tackle that sonofa********!"
Makes perfect sense to me.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
...besides which, it's the ONLY football championship Texans are gonna celebrate for a LONG time
Only one that REALLY matters anyway.
WTG HORNS !!!!!!!!!!!!
Best Bowl game for a national championship I have possibly ever seen.
Very Proud of the Horns.
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Isn't he a marvelous runner though. Like watchng water flow over cobblestones. Always seeking the path of least resistance. Kind of hard to tackle water, Tahg, unless it's frozen and covered in Scotch. Now, that's fun.
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Young looked like a man among boys. It would be ironic if this amazing performance caused him to go pro and play for the Texans. Texas' loss would be Texas' gain.
"like water flowing over cobblestones"
I'm sorry, but you automatically lose testosterone points for being poetic.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
"like water flowing over cobblestones"
I'm sorry, but you automatically lose testosterone points for being poetic.
Being from the midwest, I could have said "like a cow pissin on a flat rock" but I thought the O'Club had more class these days:O
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Originally posted by Golfer
He said "we" not "they" speaking as a team. Didn't seem like he was blaming anybody but rather stating a fact. They didn't tackle em!
So when the QB says "WE did not tackle well" he's referrring to himself? Or the offense? Or the coaching staff? Or the refs? It was a clear slam against his defense to me.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Young looked like a man among boys. It would be ironic if this amazing performance caused him to go pro and play for the Texans. Texas' loss would be Texas' gain.
"like water flowing over cobblestones"
I'm sorry, but you automatically lose testosterone points for being poetic.
Being a Longhorn fan, I'd love to see him another year in burnt orange. However the worse possible scenario to me would be to see him blow out a knee, or snap a leg , next year against somebody like Baylor. I'd rather see him go to on to the NFL.
Besisdes he's not a shoe in to be the top draft pick. I can think of three people from the USC backfield that would also have a chance at being the top draft pick this April.
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Originally posted by Edbert
So when the QB says "WE did not tackle well" he's referrring to himself? Or the offense? Or the coaching staff? Or the refs? It was a clear slam against his defense to me.
The team. Every one of the components you just listed, excluding the ref crew, are part of the team.
It's one thing for the leader of the team to give an honest critique of their performance...it's another to slam a part of that team. He did the former as opposed to the latter.
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Vince Young's situation reminds me of Sean May's after the NCAA basketball championship last year. Seriously, how do you top being the MVP of the biggest game of your life? If you stick around, you could injure yourself, or you could have an off season, or you could wind up going to a lesser bowl game. Vince Young's stock right now will likely never be higher, and he'd be a fool to do anything but go pro.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I certainly hope he weighs all the options tho. IF his stock has gone up more than Bush and Leinart (which I think it did) then he has some bargaining room. Tell Houston to trade some guys to get some offensive lineman , and I'll be there.
Young has some help though. The Texas backs , recievers , and O-Line are very good. They get over looked because of Young and his extreme talent , but without the "Team" he doesn't have the options he has. They are all very good and they have more coming up.
Texas could be , not saying they will be , but could be , on a USC type run for the next 2 or 3 years.
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That was a pretty good game for amateur ball.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
That was a pretty good game for amateur ball.
And yet was better than the kind of ball the Raiders played this year....hehe.
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Originally posted by Golfer
It's one thing for the leader of the team to give an honest critique of their performance...it's another to slam a part of that team. He did the former as opposed to the latter.
He said "they won but we're really better". Right before he was interviewed I saw him jerk his hand away from a Texas player who was trying to shake his hand. Comes across as a spoiled brat sore loser to me.
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Shame that Leinart reacted the way he did. Hope he was the exception rather than the rule among USC players.
From what I've seen and read about him, Young is a class act. It was refreshing to see a young man score touchdowns in the year's biggest NCAA game without celebrating with some "notice-me moonwalk" in the end zone.
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Biggest mistake by USC was the fumble Reggie Bush had which looked like he was trying to latteral it.
If he had not of tried to latteral it causing a fumble USC probably would of won.
Ever since that play Reggie Bush was pretty much dorment as well.
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Some observations.
USC just barely beat Nortr Dame. PAC Ten this year lets just say it wasn't at it's best. Neither was the Big12 for that matter.
Texas got to face a very good defense in the beginning of the year when they traveled to Columbus to play the Buckeyes. USC hadn't seen anything approaching that caliber of defense until they played Texas.
There was wayyyyyyyyy to much hype about USC all year greatest team ever yadada yadada. Way to much reggie Bush to go along with it. Bush is without a doubt the best RB in the country but the hype was rediculous.
Best Championship game ever? Hard to tell there have been several in my time that could equal the Rose Bowl this year. And obtw didn't USC have the homefield advantage? I seem to remember a very good Miami OSU championship game a few years ago. And the 95 Nebraska Cornhuskers demolished every opponent it faced all year long. I think if I remember correctly that year Nebraskas winning margin was well over 24 points a game. They didn't play a close game all year...they just demolished everyone.
So let's not get carried away with the hype. Form your own judgements and take a look at the facts. Strength of scedule is a good rule of thumb.
Lets face it USC had to many close games against lesser opponents. Had the homefield advantage. And paid way to much attention to their press clippings and the hype. Ya gotta win the game on the field. That's why they play them! PAC Ten isn't what it used to be. That will change however because as most things do...they run in cycles.
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Habu, that being said, USC lost by only 3 points on a 4th down, last chance play for Texas. Those teams pretty much seemed as equals to me.
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Before the game, I felt that USC's defense was suspect. They had given up 267 points during the regular season, if memory serves. Fresno State ripped them for 42.
Texas' defense, on the other hand, gave up only around 150 points.
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Originally posted by Hajo
And obtw didn't USC have the homefield advantage?
That's what I thought before the game, but the crowd seemed to be for Texas. But it didn't matter, Texas was the better team.
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Originally posted by RedTop
Texas could be , not saying they will be , but could be , on a USC type run for the next 2 or 3 years.
Very doubtful. Vince just announced he wont be back next year :(
He's going to the team that allowed the most sacks in the NFL, hope he can survive.
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Vince Young is huge.
Anyone smaller than lineman will probably bounce off of him.
If anyone wants to blitz him, they will need to do it pairs, because a safety is going to need a wingman to bring him down. He could easily bulk up a bit & play both ways, on D as a linebacker
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
nah, they will another next year.
Texas wont make it past the B-12 Championship game next year imo. :D
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they still have got lots of talent in those to running backs plus their defense.
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Originally posted by Edbert
Very doubtful. Vince just announced he wont be back next year :(
He's going to the team that allowed the most sacks in the NFL, hope he can survive.
he'd been a fool to do otherwise...
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Originally posted by Eagler
he'd been a fool to do otherwise...
Oh I agree 100%, can't argue with a $20,000,000.00 signing bonus now can you? (3rd overall pick from UT last year got $18M)
Yesterday Vince was talking about how much he'd enjoy playing for Houston since he's from there and all. But now the Texans are saying they'll pass on Vince and take Reggie (the second best RB from USC), so as things stand now it looks like VY will replace Steve McNair.
I do not think his style of QB'ing will work nearly as well in the NFL, there's too much speed and weight in the NFL defenses these days. He is large but not as big as Daunte Culpepper, who got thrashed by defenses. He's not as fast as Michael Vick who also is not living up to his NCAA days. I think he's more like a Donovan Mcnabb athletically, and we all know the kind of year he had.
I wish the best for Vince, I think he's a genuinely nice guy who has more class than those three QBs combined. I just have serious reservations of the scrambling QB style and it's ability in the NFL. If I were a GM I'd take the classic sit-in-the-pocket and make pinpoint passes like a Joe Montana or Payton Manning, ironically I think Matt Leinhart is a better QB for the NFL than Vince.
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Originally posted by Edbert
Oh I agree 100%, can't argue with a $20,000,000.00 signing bonus...
after that.. who cares? Do you think Vince does? Would you?
Maybe at first, but once my handicap got into the single digits, I'd forget all bout fball :)
Crazy Salaries/bonuses have corrupted pro sports ... that is why college is better .. at least there they are still trying ...
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Scramblers can get it done in the NFL.. just not often.
This guy had a pretty good carreer.
(http://www.sportsattic.com/nflphoto/photos/Tarkenton,Fran21.jpg)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Scramblers can get it done in the NFL.. just not often.
This guy had a pretty good carreer.
(http://www.sportsattic.com/nflphoto/photos/Tarkenton,Fran21.jpg)
different era ...
what was the size/speed of the d-line then .. what is it now?
The Vikings were my team when Fran was there, liked Joe Kapp too ... then again I lived in N.O. at the time and the Saints and Billy Kilmer blew chunks but Dempsey did set a new FG record :)
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And what is the size difference between Fran and Vince. I think the relative of proportions between D-Line and Quarterback between then and now have progressed about the same.
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Fran (based on his size, not his talent) probably wouldn't get a division 2 scholarship today.
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I'm a Texas fan and Vince won't QB in the NFL....he's a great athlete, but not a QB. A WR would be a better fit...good size, speed and quickness....would scare the crap outta some DB's for sure.
I know a guy that QB's in the NFL...he told me the biggest difference from college to the pro's is speed....everything is faster. You put him in an NFL game and he would not look near as good as he did against USC.
He also throws like I do....arm not near strong enough.
Just my opinion.
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I've seen you throw.....it's not pretty :O
Hey, Toad and I had a few sorties yesterday...get back in there Rude!!
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Are you saying that Rude throws like a pony driver?
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Originally posted by Rude
I'm a Texas fan and Vince won't QB in the NFL....he's a great athlete, but not a QB. A WR would be a better fit...good size, speed and quickness....would scare the crap outta some DB's for sure.
I know a guy that QB's in the NFL...he told me the biggest difference from college to the pro's is speed....everything is faster. You put him in an NFL game and he would not look near as good as he did against USC.
He also throws like I do....arm not near strong enough.
Just my opinion.
Michal Irvin type wide out. QB in the NFL? Maybe. In fact probably. But I really would like to see him try some wide out time someplace in a closed workout. I bet he can motor and catch great.
How would you like to be a speed demon Corner and have to tackle Young 1 on 1? Ewwwww :eek:
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It looks like the Titans are very interested in drafting Young. He's close with Steve McNair and they're talking about bringing him in to work under McNair for a while. I hope they're able to get him.
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Originally posted by Cougar68
It looks like the Titans are very interested in drafting Young. He's close with Steve McNair and they're talking about bringing him in to work under McNair for a while. I hope they're able to get him.
"Close"...as in the same agent...LOL.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Fran (based on his size, not his talent) probably wouldn't get a division 2 scholarship today.
Tommy Chang was small & broke the NCAA Division I career passing record Dec. 2004 (yeah, in the WAC, but it still counts)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Young looked like a man among boys. It would be ironic if this amazing performance caused him to go pro and play for the Texans. Texas' loss would be Texas' gain.
"like water flowing over cobblestones"
I'm sorry, but you automatically lose testosterone points for being poetic.
LOL, thought you wrote "pathetic"