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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Jester on January 05, 2006, 12:44:42 AM
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The Philadephia Experiment?
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FARKING HELL! I HATE Imagehosting.us! :mad: Avoid it like the plague guys!
OK... lets try again. Should work now. :rolleyes:
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Monitor-HMS Abercrombie or HMS Roberts
Probably Abercrombie based on the paint job.
Did some checking. It's Abercrombie :)
(http://www.warship.get.net.pl/WBrytania/Monitors/1941_Roberts_class/Abercrombie_02.jpg)
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Hope you don't mind but I thought I'd chuck in one from my own collection. Anyone know this? Shouldn't be too tough.
(http://[url=http://xs.to][img]http://xs62.xs.to/pics/06014/Ship.JPG)[/url][/IMG]
KD
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Prinz Eugen after her surrender based on the Liberators flying overhead.
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Pitty they sunk her at Bikini. She sure was a sharp looking cruiser.
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The worst loss of a ship at Bikini was the Saratoga, an historically important ship wasted for no good reason (they had plenty of ships for that test, no need to use the Sara).
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Well done. Not a difficult one really! She was rather famous. The pic was taken at 200 feet by a Liberator of 547 Squadron RAF Coastal Command between Denmark and the UK on May 25 1945. So a cigar to Guppy!
KD
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The Prinz Eugen hit a reef and capsized off of Kwajalein. She's still there.
63tb
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Originally posted by Grits
The worst loss of a ship at Bikini was the Saratoga, an historically important ship wasted for no good reason (they had plenty of ships for that test, no need to use the Sara).
Disagree - By the end of WW2 the "Sara" was pretty well long in the tooth. Having taken several torpedoes and a couple Kamikaze hits during the war - while serviceable, it was taking more and more to keep her running. That and with all the Essex CV's and the Midway's coming into the fleet she was pretty much obselete. Still it would have been nice if they could have made a museum out of her.
A REAL tragic loss was that they didn't try and save the USS ENTERPRISE CV-6 from being scrapped. She was the most decorated ship in the history of anyone's Navy - having 20 Battlestars and a boatload of other awards.
Another loss at Bikini was the battleship USS ARKANSAS BB-33. Oldest BB in the fleet. :cry
P.S. KD303, hijack another one of my threads and I am going to send Guedio & Vinny over to rearange your kneecaps! :mad: ( ;) )
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Originally posted by Jester
Disagree - By the end of WW2 the "Sara" was pretty well long in the tooth. Having taken several torpedoes and a couple Kamikaze hits during the war - while serviceable, it was taking more and more to keep her running. That and with all the Essex CV's and the Midway's coming into the fleet she was pretty much obselete. Still it would have been nice if they could have made a museum out of her.
A REAL tragic loss was that they didn't try and save the USS ENTERPRISE CV-6 from being scrapped. She was the most decorated ship in the history of anyone's Navy - having 20 Battlestars and a boatload of other awards.
Another loss at Bikini was the battleship USS ARKANSAS BB-33. Oldest BB in the fleet. :cry
P.S. KD303, hijack another one of my threads and I am going to send Guedio & Vinny over to rearange your kneecaps! :mad: ( ;) )
Throw in any of the Pearl Harbor Battleships that could have been saved. Tennessee, Califorina, West Virginia, Maryland, Nevada...
Just one saved and made into a memorial/museum at Pearl would have been a great move. Kinda partial to West Virginia since she was the most badly damaged of the bunch that got back into the war.
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Museums for elsewhere, sure, but Pearl's best memorial is over the Arizona. I've always had a soft spot for the Arizona. Wouldn't do it justice to have it supplanted by a floating museum for tourists moored right next to her.
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Originally posted by Jester
Still it would have been nice if they could have made a museum out of her.
Yeah, thats what I meant, Sara should have been saved as she was an historicly important ship.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Museums for elsewhere, sure, but Pearl's best memorial is over the Arizona. I've always had a soft spot for the Arizona. Wouldn't do it justice to have it supplanted by a floating museum for tourists moored right next to her.
Not sure I buy that. Say they'd saved West Virginia that was in the row in front of Arizona. And say they moored her where she was that day. Imagine walking the deck of that battle wagon and being able to see what the life was like for those sailors inside that ship, and then looking off the back and seeing the Arizona where it is lying knowing that people were standing where you are standing when the Arizona went up. It could only have heightened the experience and made it that much more powerful.
A moot point however as they scrapped em all.
Agreed on both Saratoga and Enterprise. A lack of foresight on both counts. But I suppose at that point they were wanting to put it all behind them and weren't thinking historical value.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Museums for elsewhere, sure, but Pearl's best memorial is over the Arizona. I've always had a soft spot for the Arizona. Wouldn't do it justice to have it supplanted by a floating museum for tourists moored right next to her.
Kinda like they did with the USS MISSOURI BB-63 you mean? Don't know about that. If you have ANY knowlege of the event or what it means I don't think it takes away anything from the "experence" of standing over the USS Arizona.
Originally posted by Guppy35
Not sure I buy that. Say they'd saved West Virginia that was in the row in front of Arizona. And say they moored her where she was that day. Imagine walking the deck of that battle wagon and being able to see what the life was like for those sailors inside that ship, and then looking off the back and seeing the Arizona where it is lying knowing that people were standing where you are standing when the Arizona went up. It could only have heightened the experience and made it that much more powerful.
Take a visit aboard the USS TEXAS BB-35 at San Jacinto. Though refitted early in WW2 she is still pretty much the same as the pre-war battleships of the Pearl Harbor would have looked like. A good experence if you have ever visited any of the other Battleships on display like USS Massachusetts, USS North Carolina or USS Alabama.
(http://www.wellandcanal.ca/shiparc/warships/texas/texas.jpg)
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Originally posted by Jester
P.S. KD303, hijack another one of my threads and I am going to send Guedio & Vinny over to rearange your kneecaps! :mad: ( ;) )
Sorry old chap. I wasn't to know this was going to turn into an argument about ladies bikinis. I was "on topic":cool:
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Originally posted by Jester
Take a visit aboard the USS TEXAS BB-35 at San Jacinto. Though refitted early in WW2 she is still pretty much the same as the pre-war battleships of the Pearl Harbor would have looked like. A good experence if you have ever visited any of the other Battleships on display like USS Massachusetts, USS North Carolina or USS Alabama.
(http://www.wellandcanal.ca/shiparc/warships/texas/texas.jpg)
Last time I was there the USS Texas had a different paint job. Everything was painted the same color as the turrets in the picture, except for a few things done in light blue like the deck. The side mount 5" guns didn't have covers on them either, you could sit down at one and see right out the side. Fun experience, but the majority of the ship is/was closed off. I had more fun camping on the Yorktown (in S.C.), but we were there 3 days, more of the ship was open for touring, and there are various other ships moored next to her.
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I always wondered why they didn't have the surrender signed on a BB that survived Pearl Harbor rather than on the Missouri. Seemed like it would have been more fitting.
63tb
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Originally posted by Jester
A good experence if you have ever visited any of the other Battleships on display like USS Massachusetts, USS North Carolina or USS Alabama.
Since I live about 45min from the USS Alabama I've been there many times. It never ceases to amaze me that man can create something that large that can go nearly 40 MPH.
Side note, most of those ships on display like that I suspect are like the Alabama, just sitting on sand dredged in to make them beach so they wont float. The storm surge during Katrina got so high in Mobile Bay (25-30 feet) that it lifted the Alabama enough for her to shift on the sand she is beached on. She now sits with a slight list. Families of the employees of the Alabama park use the ship as a storm shelter, I can only imagine the terror when they realized it was moving.
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The Japanese battleship Nagato also should have been saved for posterity. She too played a large role and was historically signficant, but we expended her at Bikini as well.
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Originally posted by 63tb
I always wondered why they didn't have the surrender signed on a BB that survived Pearl Harbor rather than on the Missouri. Seemed like it would have been more fitting.
63tb
The reason the surrender was signed aboard the USS Missouri was simply POLITICS.
Gen. MacAuthur was put in charge of the event so to keep the Navy happy and not feel slighted, it was decided to hold it aboard one of the ships instead of on land. As President Truman was from Missouri the Battleship USS Missouri was picked to be that ship.
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OK, to get this tread back on track....
Monitor HMS ABERCROMBIE it is!
Congrats! :aok
ROBERTS CLASS MONITOR SPECS:
Type: Monitor
Displacement: Roberts 7973 BRT, Abercrombie 8536 BRT.
Notes on class Displacement;
Abercrombie\'s displacement was slighty greater then Robert\'s because she had some additional armour.
Length: 373 feet
Complement: 442 men
Armament:
2 15" guns (1x2)
8 4" AA guns (4x2)
16 2pdr AA (1x8, 2x4)
Both ships had their Anti-Aircraft armament increased during the war.
Max speed: 12.5 knots
Engines Geared turbines, 2 shafts
Power 4800 SHP