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Title: Enough!!!!!
Post by: Razor on December 16, 2000, 09:19:00 PM
Look....I left AirWarpier because it was a hacked piece of trash and the Gamestorm staff didn't give a flying **** what their customers wanted. Mage lied to a whole lotta folks, and some right to their face at the con. So heres the deal and don't roadkill me. Has this game been hacked? The things I've seen happen lead me to believe it has. I'm not talking about the inherent delays and other anomalies that are expected with an online sim. I'm talking about a P-51(the one that is SUPPOSED to have 6 50cal's) which can shoot down a LANC with 2 pings. This happened to others besides myself. I've not been able to accomplish this amazing feat. I zoomed a LANC with a Tiffie 3 times and the thing still flew. Oh sure it was smoking,big deal, but when the pony can pop one in 1 pass I expect a little more out of the tiffies guns. And now the GV's..are the Panzers in this game equipped with laser range finders and computer controlled fire systems? No??? Could've fooled me. I can't count the number of times I've been hit from extreme range while travelling at top speed. I've used the F3 view to watch the shells pass over me and STILL I took hits. Every time I get hit in an Osti the guns always go first...always. One ping...no more gun. Why is that the fuel tank never springs a leak, or the tracks come off, or the engine dies,or ANYTHING but the main ******* gun?!?!? I've read the boards and try to keep up with the latest. I have spent a LOT of time in the training arena and played a lot offline before starting. I also read a lot of WW2 tech stuff. This is a sim oriented around the war machines of that period. So lets go back and review...6 50's kill a LANC 2 pings...no way in hell. And don't give me this shot the pilot crap either,the guy came in high 6. Panzer hits a moving target at a distance of 2k first shot...again, no way in hell. As I understand it 2k represents 2000 yards which is 5000 feet, which is 280 feet short of a mile. Still think its possible? First shot?
So again I ask...has this game been hacked? Have there been people caught and kicked out? I really want to know. The monthly fee may not be a lot of money but I still expect a flight sim to at least come close to real where the flight and damage models are concerned. That includes the laws of physics as well. For the most part this sim does and its the best one I have played so far. But if its been hacked I'd like to know. That way I can cancel my account,save 30 bucks a month and finish remodeling my house way ahead of schedule. I'll wait for the next sim and try it. Skidog out.
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Post by: rosco- on December 16, 2000, 09:44:00 PM
 Man you need to go into a dark room and lie down for an hour or so!

 Ack pinged me once tonight and killed me.
 Chog pinged me once tonight and killed me.
 Had a jug warp clear off my monitor.
 Had an ostwind ping me once and killed me..14 or 15 times.

  Now i attribute it all to the over taxed, piddly connection to the internet that is mine, and the nature of the internet in general. (cept the ostweenies and chogs as they are "features"  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I am willing to bet that  90% of my 1 ping deaths looked rather different on the other guys fe.

 Being a layed back kind of person i can take all this in stride and still have fun. Learn from my example, quit or give yourself an ulcer, as it isnt much different than any other online flight sim.

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Post by: Moose11 on December 16, 2000, 09:56:00 PM
Skidog

I can answer one of your questions. When you see a round from a PZR come at you, the reason it passes overhead is that the AH engine models shots funny.. basically, wherever the gun is pointed, the round will go. And it's an estimation, too. (dinger, you explained this to me during AK) So, when you see a PZR firing at you, you'd better fire back and range his bellybutton quickly.

The ground war is always exciting..
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Post by: wolf37 on December 16, 2000, 10:02:00 PM
Razor:

yes there has been people that have hacked in and been caught and given the boot. and yes I am sure there are a few people that have hacked in and made very monor changes so it is not easy to spot them. but no matter what kind of online sim you play. there will be those low life gutter slugde losers that will hack in and make changes do to the fact they are so pathetic they have to cheat to win.
If you feel you would be better off leaving aces high in hopes of a online sim that nobdy hacks into, well good luck to you in your search. and if you should find such a game, please let the rest of us know so we can decide if we would like to move over.
Now I am not sure if this sounds a little bit like im been a jerk, I am not trying to be. It is the problem with all online sim games that there will be hackers.  they ruin it for everybody, now HTC is trying to find them and then they can boot them. If you decide to stay, film all your sorties and if you see something that does not seem right, send the film to HTC and give your reasons as to why you think something is wrong. dont expect a reply from them, they are busy, and I have sent two films in the last 3 or 4 months and no reply. so maybe there was nothing wrong and they dont reply to those ones, I dont know. Now if you do think somebody has hacked in, DON'T POST IT ON THE BB. like I said, just send the film to HTC, if you post it and they read it they may change the hack and wait a while and HTC may not find them.

well what ever you do, it is your choice and your money, nobody can tell you other wise.
May you find the sim that makes you happy.



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Title: Enough!!!!!
Post by: Dago on December 16, 2000, 10:05:00 PM
You bring up a good question.  I am starting to wonder the same thing.

I have been playing AH a while now, and have seen some interesting things a couple times.

No, a P51 should not be able to easily takedown a Lanc.

And, yes, I have seen a Panzer shoot me on the first try from way the heck away. Repeatadly.  Same guy, shoots me as I approach, long ways from where I would consider a good easy shot. A long ways.
And he does this to others too, all on differant approach lines.  Since enemy vehicles have no icons showing range, I find this very interesting and highly unlikely.
I dont know if he was cheating somehow, and dont want to throw around accusations, but it was amazing the range from which this guy could hit me from on the first shot virtually every time. I dont know if it is possible to hack something like this, probably not.

But I will tell you this, if there is cheating in AH, it is extremely rare. Some players are good, some not, but I rarely have any reason to even wonder about hacking.

Dago
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Post by: Westy on December 16, 2000, 10:19:00 PM
 I would say leave the AW baggage behind but definately question a P-51's ability to take down a Lanc with what seems to be very little ammo. But never ever base it on your ability, or inability, to do the same whether it's with a different aircraft and different guns or not.

 We've seen proof hackers once fudged ordinance and troop loads. Could they mess around with chanign gun types, increasing calibre sizes or even change flight performance?  I think not on the FM part but the rest maybe. Not sure what HC did to stop the ordinance load-out hackers.  

 Don't forget though.  AH has a damage model light years ahead of AW3. A good shot could take out the pilot in a Lanc with no problem. Aces Hiogh does not have a gradual build up of generic damage points like AW has.  Here you CAN aim and kill the pilot if you're a good shot. Hitting the cockpit on a buff is a easy. Taking out engines, tails, wings, etc is very easy on buffs because they're so damned big and easy to line up on. Here there is no "hit bubble" so someone coming in from a high 6 could easily put their bullets into the cockpit. It's easier to aim ahead of the bombers nose and let it fly into your bullet stream allwoing maximum % on target.
 As for the Panzer/ground vehicle issue. It's not the first time I've heard this questioned.
 
  -Westy

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Post by: BigJim on December 16, 2000, 10:58:00 PM
Heh well I was just shot down by chog which pulled 2 continuous loops at high G with NO E loss and then continued to run down my yak on the level my ias was 500 from the dive and he NEVER compressed.....impressive since I fly the Hog alot and have NEVER been able to accomplish what this pilot got out of his F4U-1C.  Is he hacked???? got NO WAY of knowing for sure but it sure as hell FELT like it was and there have been ALOT of things going screwy lately in AH, so I hope HTC puts in some kind of monitor on the packets cause if this continues the stampeed outta here will sure make some noise.
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Post by: Frosty1 on December 16, 2000, 11:17:00 PM
RAM's replacement has officially been found!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Enough!!!!!
Post by: Jigster on December 16, 2000, 11:37:00 PM
Getting hit with the first shot in a panzer is easy to answer.

After 3k you don't see the tracer. The explosion of the shell kinda helped this (although stupid because an APCBC shell is very hard to set off by just impacting the ground) But they can range you while still far enough away where you won't hear it.

Leading at over 6000 yards isn't that hard if they keep in a straight line as well.
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Post by: Maverick on December 17, 2000, 12:29:00 AM
Razor,

You aren't the first to determine something is hacked. There was a blatant hack that Mitsu caught on film and HT dumped them. As others have posted thee are others who are either hacking or have found an exploitable "bug" in the game. I found and filmed one tonight. A B17 that was able to make instantaneous changes in direction including vertically. I sam sending the tape into HT to see if they can determine how this person did it and hopefully fix it.

So in answer to your question, yes the game has been hacked. If you want an unhackable game, good luck as there ain't no such thing. I wish you luck in your search.

Mav
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Post by: SC-DeMutt on December 17, 2000, 02:13:00 AM
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Hiyas!
  1st; Kudos to Wolf37 on how to handle a percieved hack! (Why let 'em get away with it?!)

  Razor;
I just want to tell you that I understand your frustration. I too left AW3, Because of the BS, and empty promises. But as Razor said, There's always gonna be some punk trying to, And/Or suceeding, at hacking. No matter WHAT sim you fly! But if all the Honest, Fair minded folk leave because of a handful of knotheads who's only purpose is to create Hate and Discontent; Then they will win. And once they're bored with ruining what's left, Believe me, They'll find you again in they're search for new territory!!
  It's a sad fact of life, That good people have always paid the price for the actions of the Troublemakers. To Acknowledge them, is to give them the power they seek. So Ignore them, Or Quietly bust 'em on film. Then they'll get bored/Caught, and go away.

  Hehe, My 'Pet Peeves', are guys that circle over a freshly killed base, gettin all worked up, because nobody cared about their 15 or 20 Radio Snivels about "A-?? DEAD! NEED GOON/M3, A.S.A.P.!!". If you organize the Raid, Don't forget a goon! Or get one yourself, Fer crissakes! Or better yet, You cave in and help by grabbing a Goon, And get shot down as you begin to drop troops, While the same fool is still yellin' "Anybody gonna goon A-??" Right over your head! (LOL)
  Or the guy shooting you down won't return yer salute! Now THAT oughta get a body Steamed!!
  Or the.... Oh... Sorry, I got carried away again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif)

SALUTE!  
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Post by: Jekyll on December 17, 2000, 02:30:00 AM
Dago, I posted on a similar issue not so long ago (1 ping kills from 3k with panzer)

This guy's name doesn't happen to start with the letter 'M' does it?
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Post by: Regurge on December 17, 2000, 02:36:00 AM
 
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Originally posted by Razor:
...6 50's kill a LANC 2 pings...no way in hell. And don't give me this shot the pilot crap either,the guy came in high 6.

From the pilots perspective, the high 6 of a Lanc is mostly glass. It looks like there is armor right behind the pilot, but any shot other than dead 6 looks like it could hit the pilot directly.

Also, I think there are a few net-related things that could cause that, like lost packets, lag, and such.

Panzer hits a moving target at a distance of 2k first shot...again, no way in hell. As I understand it 2k represents 2000 yards which is 5000 feet, which is 280 feet short of a mile. Still think its possible? First shot?

Not to toot my own horn here, but 2k and less is an easy shot in a tank. I dont know about real-life, but it is in the game. The trajectory of an AP shell is very flat and makes getting hits very easy, especially at close ranges. With some practice, you can guess the range on a gv pretty accurately judging by its size in the scope.

On average, i get a hit on the 4th shot for ranges further than 2k. If the target is moving, the average is more like 5 or 6. Still, a number of times i  have hit with the first shot. That happens maybe 10% of the time for me.

One time, i hit a tank with the 1st shot from about 3.3k while i was moving. I was just ranging him to get a rough idea of his distance, but managed to deal a killing blow. Of course that has only happened once, and i was totally amazed at my luck.

Also, for some reason other people's shots always look long on your FE. I have watched other people get kills in tanks, but never have i seen their shells hit. It always looks to me like their shots sail overhead even though its scored a hit one the other guy's FE. The same is true when people are firing at me.

So again I ask...has this game been hacked? Have there been people caught and kicked out?

Yep, like any game, AH has been hacked. But i would say its extremely rare. I have been playing for about 4-5 months and have never seen a blatant hack(as far as i can tell).

What i have seen is that 90% of the planes i meet have average pilots. The other 10% are piloted by hangtime, torque, nash, and folks of that caliber. Chances are, if  somone makes me say "<curse word>, how did he do THAT!!!??", its one of those guys.
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Post by: funked on December 17, 2000, 03:08:00 AM
Guys you can't see panzer tracers beyond 3k.  So if you are killed beyond 3k, the only shot you will know about is the one that hits you.
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Post by: Tyro48 on December 17, 2000, 04:09:00 AM
I would be willing to bet that there are check summs through out the code that can pick up even the smallest tweak, but your best bet is to have your film running and submit it if you think somethin's a half bubble of center in the game.
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Post by: Replicant on December 17, 2000, 07:25:00 AM
I drive the pnzr quite a bit from time to time (mostly when it's beta terrain) and I prefer to kill at around 3-4000 yards away.  Sometimes you can even kill up to 6 or 7000 yards away if you have previously ranged that shot.  Sometimes you may waste about 15-20 rounds ranging that far - sometimes more.  I may use 80 AP rounds just killing 7 or 8 pnzrs.  Also after spending quite sometime in the pnzr you get to know what size the enemy pnzr appears in your sights.  This is the biggest indication of how far away the enemy pnzr is.  It is something that you'll just get used to but you need to be spending quite sometime in pnzrs to get used to it.  Often you'll get a pnzr driving straight at you, or just at an easy angle for you to range him.  Then take into account the speed he's doing and you can then approximate how less you have to fire.  Remember if you are attacking then the defending pnzrs will mostly have their ranges already sorted out and sometimes even have the spawn point ranged which is something I have managed a few times at over 3k away.

Regards

'Nexx'
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Post by: Weave on December 17, 2000, 07:33:00 AM
Woof Razor, Not saying that it might not have been hacked, but it only takes one ping to kill a pilot.

When this happens, the plane blows up of course. I've been killed by ack this way, and I've been fortunate enough to get a few lucky shots at lanc's and nailed them this way. Try aiming for the planes cockpit when in on buffs. They knock down much easier.

My one real victory over Torque happened this way. I was in on him from his high 2 oc and got lucky and he blew. Had I just knocked a flap off or something, the results would have undoubtedly been different.

Weave
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on December 17, 2000, 09:25:00 AM
torque whos that?.....  o noooooo now i remember  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Post by: BigJim on December 17, 2000, 11:42:00 AM
LOL I see Frosty is quite quick to pass out lables.  Strange since THIS post will be my 144th SINCE the beginning of beta, unlike some others with thousands, but then I guess if your a brown nose FACTS don't account for much <GRIN>

BigJim
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Post by: Frosty1 on December 17, 2000, 11:53:00 AM
BigJim, I do what I can for the community.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Post by: Frosty1 on December 17, 2000, 11:56:00 AM
I flew during since the beginning of beta, but I never registered till later, and never really got into the habit of having a forum posting job. I wonder where some people get the time for 2000+ posts??

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Title: Enough!!!!!
Post by: MrLars on December 17, 2000, 01:29:00 PM
Strange things happen over the net. Seems that I have been getting killed by a single hit from a Panzer while it takes me 4-5 hits to get a kill. Yesterday I was in a battle at A6 and 3 separate times while I was pounding a continual respawner I would get 3 hits on him with no kill yet but one shot from him and BOOM...back to the tower for me. Funny thing is that 90% of the time when I hit a moving Osty or Panzer the first hit disables him some way....but if he's standing still it will take at least 3 if not more to kill him.
These problems are not major, just a bit frustrating but the games still very enjoyable for me.
BTW, I ain't saying that there's a hack in use....I believe this is a damage modeling / net lag issue and nothing else.

Lars
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Post by: Replicant on December 17, 2000, 01:38:00 PM
Lars, on quite a few occasions it has taken up to 30AP rounds to kill a pnzr, or even a Flakpnzr.  I often find a pnzr whilst being hit by ack often takes more rounds to kill for some reason?

Regards

Nexx
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Post by: Dago on December 17, 2000, 03:27:00 PM
I have noticed that the angle the round strikes a pnzr seems to effect its killing power.  A round hitting on top kills quick, hitting on the side doesnt do as much damage.

Also, in case anyone hasnt noticed, an HE round wont do much to a pnzr, you gotta hit with an AP round.

No, the guy who shot me didnt start with an M.

And the guy who shot me so far out, was damn near out of vis range at full zoom with cannon sight. That is out there.

Oh well, it happens.

Dago
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Post by: Fatty on December 17, 2000, 03:44:00 PM
The tank graphics are scaled to true distance.  Someone that drives a tank a lot (and I mean a whole lot) is going to know how far you are from the graphic display, and there isn't a lot you can do about it, except get lucky.

Iow they're better than me and most everyone else, no cheating needed.
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Post by: Jigster on December 17, 2000, 04:14:00 PM
 
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Originally posted by Dago:
I have noticed that the angle the round strikes a pnzr seems to effect its killing power.  A round hitting on top kills quick, hitting on the side doesnt do as much damage.

Also, in case anyone hasnt noticed, an HE round wont do much to a pnzr, you gotta hit with an AP round.

No, the guy who shot me didnt start with an M.

And the guy who shot me so far out, was damn near out of vis range at full zoom with cannon sight. That is out there.

Oh well, it happens.

Dago

Any hit on the turrent isn't likely to do squat. Hits on the anti-HEAT skirts on the turrent and the upper section of side hull rarely do damage as well.

HE can kill tanks easily too...it just usually takes 5-6 hits where as AP takes 1 or 2.


If you know how to use the text buff box and the terrain as a guideline, (and don't have a mountain directly in the way) you can shell any field in AH from a vehicle spawn point using the AP ammo. It's possible to kill vehicles from as far as 7-8k but very unlikely now that you can hear the shells landing around you, and the wind.

- Jig

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Post by: Replicant on December 17, 2000, 04:43:00 PM
Very true Jig with all of your points...  I can't remember which field it is, but there is one spawn point that puts you on the top of a hill overlooking an airfield (beta).  Basically you can shut the VH down from the spawn point by aiming at the very bottom of the reticle (whatever range that is!!  9000yards?).

Also I've found that if a pnzr takes more than 3 hits of AP, try aiming a bit lower at the tracks/lower armour and that will often finish them off easier.

HE rounds, well, I never load them now and I always stick to AP.  In the past I have had kills with HE but it obviously takes more rounds to kill.

One thing I have noticed is how visible tanks are to different people.  I can only put this down to what resolution, graphics card and monitor (dot pitch) the person is using.  For instance, I can spot tanks out miles away but some of our squaddies struggle to see that far.  Anyone else experienced that?

Regards

Nexx

[This message has been edited by Replicant (edited 12-17-2000).]

[This message has been edited by Replicant (edited 12-18-2000).]
Title: Enough!!!!!
Post by: Razor on December 17, 2000, 06:59:00 PM
Thanks for all the responses, no I'm not going anywhere. AH is the best sim and thats that. I simply wanted to know how many others have experienced the same wierd watermelon I have. I'm gonna keep playing and keep getting killed as many times as it takes to become proficient. But it would be nice to pull off some of these "Holy Cow" shots once in a while myself. That way I can post stuff like that on these boards and leave the rest to Frosty and Ram.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Post by: Sancho on December 17, 2000, 11:47:00 PM
I'm sure it's been hacked and there's hackers now.  All games suffer from hackage on many levels.

Just remember, Aces High ammunition is a little more potent than most sims... sometimes one ping is all it takes.  And there are some wickedly good marksmen playing this game... no I'm not one of them!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
 (http://www.jump.net/~cs3/sigs/uns_sig.jpg)  (http://www.jump.net/~cs3)
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Post by: Pepino on December 18, 2000, 05:23:00 AM
Tanking is a pratice job. Now I can roughly range a tank by its size in my sight. And, yes, there are guys out there that can (and do) kill you as far as 40K+. I thing Nexx is one of the best.

I still remember quite some time ago, me and some other 2 friends trying to sneak V61 in sfterr. Then Nexx spawn. Then all of us 3 killed. Then, and again and again and again....  most of them from very very far.

After that episode, I realized I needed some more practise. Now I can tell that this kind of shooting is not cheating, but LOT of practise. Anybody able to shoot that way deserves a salute. (and maybe the ironbottom award)   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

Cheers,

Pepe
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Post by: Jigster on December 18, 2000, 05:45:00 AM
lol I use to hit the 200 mph panzers with the second shot, but ever since wind was brought to ground level my aim has gone down the tubes.

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Post by: Mighty1 on December 18, 2000, 10:45:00 AM
Dago when I have been playing a lot in the Panzer I can judge range of any GV by the size of it in my scope.

Meaning I can normally hit someone with my first shot. Not real hard to do if you are in a tank a lot.
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Post by: Replicant on December 18, 2000, 03:54:00 PM
Hey Pepino, thanks for the compliments!  It is far easier to defend than to attack though!  Sometimes I don't even get chance to go on the offensive because I'm too busy helping defend the Bishops!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

The 'tankers' that I always struggle against are yourself, Ripsnort (only pnzr to kill me last tour - was a joint death, though he got the credit!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ), Mitsu and Dinger.  Whels can be a crafty sod too!   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)  I'm just pleased that Rollo is a Bishop!   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Regards

Nexx
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Post by: mrfish on December 18, 2000, 04:48:00 PM
i fly the p51 99% of the time - usually on bomber hunts. it can go either way really

- if i get a good shot at the wing root and keep the guns there for a few seconds the job is over quickly - otherwise it can take several passes and often i end up getting shot down

- sometimes i fly the g10 because that 30mm cannon is insane at close range! it is very effective if you can get a good shot-
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Post by: Dago on December 18, 2000, 05:20:00 PM
Sorry, but I just dont buy it, that anyone is that good, that they can routinely hit another pnzr on the first shot at great distances.

I drive the pnzr alot, and have made some first shot hits, but they are at reasonable distances.  The pnzr doesnt have some big hit bubble around it.  You can get very close without a hit.

The ones I tend to wonder about, are those when you have to zoom the cannon turret in all the way just to see the guy, yet he can hit you on the first shot.  Nobody is that good!

Dago
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Post by: Hangtime on December 18, 2000, 05:41:00 PM
I'm starting to see some 'unworldly' things.. planes that perform beyond my spectrum of understanding. I hesitate to call 'em hackers or cheaters.. I just take my next sortie against another country or field when I encounter it.

Skill plays a huge part in this sim.. more than many others. This is the first place I've ever been able to demonstrate every salient point of ACM in Shaw's textbook. I've spent more than a year in here, and maybe by total time; kills and points garned, It's possible I may have the ultimate pasty skin award.. so when I see something that smells foul it comes from that base of experience.

Yep. All ain't clean here in AH.. and it's becoming more pervasive. Sure; we need this looked at; but it is NOT the major big deal that some would like us to think it is.. it's out there; sometimes, not always; everywhere. If yah see it; film it; send it in, keep it off the boards. Let HTC do their thing.

On the other hand; we all can with the proper placement and setup, covergance and aim point kill any buff or fighter in this sim in one pass, expending a very small amount of ammo in the process. Conversely; from a gunners chair you can usually strip the wings off an attacker on your buff.. again; it's just experience, timing and luck.

This past weekend I spent a gawd awful amount of time in a panzer and an ostie.. and by 1:00 am Monday morning I had learned how to range a target, how to lead a target, when to shoot; when to manuver, how to use smoke effectivley. The trick for me was setting the zoom preciesly the same way each time, and soon I was able to get real close if not dead on with the first shot just by using the 'size' of the target in the sight as a reference. Still; I prefer to get in closer, since it's damn tuff at extreme ranges to determine if the shot went long or the fall was short.. a couple of times I saw Nexx sittin back about 4k from the enemy; hitting perfectly while I was half again as close and missing constantly. Skill. Gunning armor effectively is an art.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Nonetheless, after my experience this weekend, I can say that if I can see enemy armor at max magnification, he can see me. And if he can see me and he's as good as Funked, Mighty1 or Nexx; then I'm dead if I don't get smoke down and start manuvering for cover or help. Running armor on offense against multiple set defenders it cruelly tuff.. you need numbers and air support; or you are lost.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Hang


Title: Enough!!!!!
Post by: Maverick on December 18, 2000, 06:09:00 PM
Point to be made here. If you are fighting someone you feel is using a hack or some other kind of cheat you will need to be able film it and show the name of the player in the film. That means either you have to kill him or die yourself to find the identity of this person. Given the "perk mania" I expect to see about points soon that may hurt your chances to get your special ride.

Mav
Title: Enough!!!!!
Post by: Hangtime on December 18, 2000, 06:48:00 PM
Yep. True enuff.. but on a scale of 1 to 10; where's the pain threshold? Yah; I've been screwed on line by hackers.. no biggie.

Screw me once; shame on you. Screw me twice; shame on me. I just take my flying someplace where the dweebing score-potato small pointy dicked twit is not likely to find me. If he's gotta hacked FM; not much chance of winning fairly, is there? All I'm gonna accomplish by 'going after him' is giving him another kill and hence, more to crow about... so why boost his ego? IMHO; these little pointy dicked bug-fediddleers live fer attention (else why do it) negative or otherwise, so it ain't worth my time or my attention and fer sure theres more interesting things to get aggravated about.. like chogs over Berlin at 30k being flown by LW squad members..  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

This upcomming pointy/perky (somebody say boobies?) mania thing, not even implemented yet; has generated a horrific amount of freakin hand-wringing and wailing... why?

Frankly; don't give a damn about scores.. I can fly, I'll get points. I'll die and I'll lose points. Part of the game.. Ask me if I'd rather have a good fight in a plane with a great flight model against a competent opponent, or instead be in a one sided execution using a cruddy turd bird against a newbie flying the exact same crap in diffrent graphics.. whats important to you?? Quake or ACM?

Ask youselves this.. "If this sim had NO scores at all; would I still fly it?"

I'd say yes.. sure, and I'd probably like it just as much... surely the score weenies would stop all this wailing and shut up, and the hackers would discover theres no point at all.. literally. Oh well... *sigh*

Fact is; why worry? Much like now, if you fly, drive or float you'll accumulate points. (anbody remember S&H Green stamps?)Use 'em or not.. no skin off anybodys butt.. unless by chance you have a small pointy headed pee-pee and are looking for something other than a flight sim?

 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Hang

Title: Enough!!!!!
Post by: Replicant on December 19, 2000, 06:07:00 AM
Hey Hangtime    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)  That particular time the other day I had ranged the spawn point at about 3.4k away and aiming just to the left, so whilst you have it ranged, why move closer!?    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)  It does help if you can see which side of the tank the shell is falling - the puff of dust as it hits the ground.  Again I think this is down to how good your resolution, dot pitch and graphics card is. This helps at very long range - nothing more satisfying than seeing a puff of dust before the tank, then the next shot behind the tank.... Ranged!!

The thing is that if someone is going to cheat then why cheat in a pnzr?  You can have a huge kill/death ratio in pnzrs but it doesn't reflect in the scores.  Each missed round counts too.  I even drove pnzrs in the Afrika scenario and I only got one kill in the whole thing!!  Okay, we didn't encounter that many enemy tanks, but when we did Apache and I was killed by Dinger!    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)  Damn good shots too!

In all, I wouldn't have a clue at how anyone could cheat in a pnzr?  I mean 'hacking' the game.  I may use a few 'visual' aids at long range such as mentioned by Jigster which help considerably.  Also, if you're attacking a field and there are enemy pnzrs there then don't take a direct approach.  Zig zag or go further round the field - you can even swerve as soon as you see the tracer fired.  I always know when Ripsnort is attacking V61 because of his 'special' route which is bloody good!  There are also a couple of good external views that can help you locate armour (one I didn't even know of until Ripsnort told me!), though they are totally useless for aiming with - use the sight for that!  As for smoke rounds, I don't bother using them because you could be aiming with your AP instead.  I'll only use smoke if I'm out of ammo and retreating or if I'm totally surrounded.

Anyway, Dago, if you want to go to the training arena or whatever then I can perhaps suggest a few long range tips if you like... as long as you don't kill me!!    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Regards

Nexx

[This message has been edited by Replicant (edited 12-19-2000).]
Title: Enough!!!!!
Post by: Maverick on December 19, 2000, 12:46:00 PM
Hang,

I do ignore points. I also ignore the MA most of the time so points cannot become an issue with me. If there were no scoring I would expect to see several people who love to see their names on the "top 10 list" leave as that is their main claim to fame. As for me, scores are inconsequential. Perk vehicles will be the same especially if they are limited to the MA.

Mav