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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Kev367th on January 09, 2006, 11:16:12 AM
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(http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=65502)
During or post war?
40sqn SAAF, supposed to be scheme it wore 1944 in Italy.
Was a LF IXe, so would probably be more suited on a XVI as opposed to F IX.
Another pic (3rd one down).
(http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/images/saafspitfirebookreview_2.jpg)
If it is during the war have you a better view of the "Evelyn" and the possible squadron logo? on the nose.
Thanks.
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I read the thread at Flypast and I admit I'm still skeptical as I've never seen that color combo with those roundels, but Peter Arnold is the man when it comes to Spits and some of the others discussing the scheme are good Spit experts too.
I think the consensus seems to be that the Land Temperate scheme was in use in the MTO (I must admit I've never come across it, but that doesn't mean much)
It also seems clear that most don't believe the 45 upper wing roundel was in place so in that regard the restored Spit has it wrong, but other wise it's a different scheme for an IX with the green brown and azure blue undersurfaces.
I believe they still had the yellow ID stripe on the leading edge of the wing too, unlike the restored Spit in the image.
I'd do it on the AH IX if you choose to do it though. Full span wings and small tail on those SAAF birds it appears. The AH IX is a good performer down low too so I'd take it up since I'm avoiding the XVI these days :)
I e-mailed Peter Arnold to see if he can confirm any of this and point to any photos of the actual aircraft, instead of the restored bird.
Gotta love that IX
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Thanks Dan.
Couple questions -
a) Original post in the thread specifically states the original photograph is of a IXe (LF IXe I would assume), so would be best on the XVI I guess.
"On page 61 there's a Spitfire Mk IXe of 40 Squadron, SAAF"
b) Any luck on the 'Evelyn' or the noseart, poss squadron badge?
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Thanks Dan.
Couple questions -
a) Original post in the thread specifically states the original photograph is of a IXe (LF IXe I would assume), so would be best on the XVI I guess.
"On page 61 there's a Spitfire Mk IXe of 40 Squadron, SAAF"
b) Any luck on the 'Evelyn' or the noseart, poss squadron badge?
Hmm, missed that originally. That it was an IXe that didn't get there til September 44 makes me wonder about the paint now. It appears that Land temperate scheme was until mid 44, so I'm guessing now that it would have been standard day camo on the IXe PT672.
I'm hoping Mr. Arnold can shed some light on it. He's generally pretty quick on the reply so hopefully we'll get an answer today.
This image that I've posted before is from the same serial range and it's clipped with the rounded tail. This is a just out of production photo. PT961 went to 129 Squadron. I imagine PT672 was configured the same.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/gallery2/data/media/18/PT961.jpg)
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40 Squadron logo is on this page: The one on the restored Spit seems similar. Hopefully Mr. Arnold has a close up of the nose art.
http://www.saairforce.co.za/squadronold.htm
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Found this also, pic of a SAAF Spit being scrapped, look at the upper roundel, you can definately see the white ring.
(http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=61710)
Breaks your heart :(
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I guess we're both hanging out on the comp today :) That's a postwar image.
Here's one of a flight of SAAF Spit IXs post war with a mix of roundel styles and canopy styles. They operated 136 Spits postwar.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1136838547_saafixs.jpg)
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Nice
Looks like LF IXe, so a XVI would be OK.
Found a 40sqn clipped V :)
(http://www.mts.net/~royb/images/No40Sqn20SAAFSpitVondeck.jpg)
Hopefully we can get a better nose art pic, its based on the sdn badge but isn't actually the sqauadron crest :(
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Anyway had a set of XVI weathering layers I hadn't used so -
(http://www.cyberonic.com/~kreed/saaf.jpg)
Be nice to get a closeup of the logo and "Evelyn"
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Nice
Looks like LF IXe, so a XVI would be OK.
Found a 40sqn clipped V :)
Hopefully we can get a better nose art pic, its based on the sdn badge but isn't actually the sqauadron crest :(
Found a companion pic to go with your 40 Squadron Spit Vb image.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1136844041_tropspitv.jpg)
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Reply from Peter. No images.
"Regarding the scheme. I do not have a definitive official instruction. What I would say is that Dave Bekker was involved with the scheme and he is a passionate researcher and is/was with the SAAF museum as a serving officer. The scheme is so accurate to the period b/w photos that it is hard to imagine they guessed at the colours.
Venture Publications and independently show a similar 40 Squadron aircraft in this scheme in a 2002 publication. Again a respected source.
Upper wing roundels are 100% correct to a range of period shots of this unit.
Leading edge stripes on the period photos - some do and some don't.
The book you want is 'The Spitfire in SAAF Service' by Steven McLean.
Best regards,
Peter"
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Well thats good news.
All we need is a good noseart and "Evelyn" image.
Already spoke to Pyro, they will accept an LF IXe skin on the XVI.
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Good news Dan -
I emailed the SAAF Museum, they are going to send me details on the "Evelyn" and noseart!!!
:)
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Already spoke to Pyro, they will accept an LF IXe skin on the XVI.
how bout this 1
(http://modelism.airforce.ru/reviews/foreign/spitfire9/Spit7.JPG)
(http://modelism.airforce.ru/reviews/foreign/spitfire9/Spit9.JPG)
(http://modelism.airforce.ru/reviews/foreign/spitfire9/Spit8.JPG)
taken from here (http://modelism.airforce.ru/reviews/foreign/spitfire9/)
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russian clipped spits (http://www.andis-hangar.com/SpitVVS.htm)
27 GIAP (corpss hunter regiments), Russia July 1944 ......... Pilot: Alexander Karpov
Also the British Spitfire became in different variants at the Soviet Union
Delivered. These marks CROSS in the depth flyer execution with the shortened Tragflächen-
end was flown of major Karpov for the summer '44, after he over
Leningrad in a Yak-1 shot down became. It erziehlte of altogether 30 launchings.
The Mk CROSS was armed with 2x20mm canon and 2x12,7mm MG's IT. Driven
this version became of a roll Royce Merlin 61
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Good news Dan -
I emailed the SAAF Museum, they are going to send me details on the "Evelyn" and noseart!!!
:)
Very cool Kev.
Interesting to note that the restored bird is the only surviving Spit that can trace it's history back to a USAAF unit.
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Originally posted by Blixen
russian clipped spits (http://www.andis-hangar.com/SpitVVS.htm)
27 GIAP (corpss hunter regiments), Russia July 1944 ......... Pilot: Alexander Karpov
Also the British Spitfire became in different variants at the Soviet Union
Delivered. These marks CROSS in the depth flyer execution with the shortened Tragflächen-
end was flown of major Karpov for the summer '44, after he over
Leningrad in a Yak-1 shot down became. It erziehlte of altogether 30 launchings.
The Mk CROSS was armed with 2x20mm canon and 2x12,7mm MG's IT. Driven
this version became of a roll Royce Merlin 61
Good stuff Blix :)
There is a Spit IX that the Fighter Collection has that was recovered from a crash site in Russia where it had been downed. It will be restored to flight eventually. They definately saw combat with the Soviets.
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Got 1st pic today (more to follow).
Allowed me to get the "Evelyn" done, still not happy with the noseart.
(http://www.cyberonic.com/~kreed/saaf2.jpg)