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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: TheWobble on April 18, 2001, 09:44:00 AM
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Well the vote came in today, the Confederate flag WILL NOT be ordered removed from the mississippi capital building.
I dont know the exact numbers but they used the term "overwhealming"
I bet JJ is having a real bad case of the toejams about now..
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I found one arguement worth banning the flag for...the confederate flag is symbolism of rebellion, we're now (and have been) under ONE Flag since the end of the confederate war...thus, ban or replace it for something that doesn't symbolize rebellion.
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I see yer point rip bit the reason they wanted it banned was because it was supposeidly a "racist symbol"
The fact that it symbolized rebellion while a valid point was not the reason these idiots were squeaking.
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Don't think it'll help tourism for Mississippi. The news interviews of the "locals" who were in support of the flag was real impressive also. It made it look as if inbreeding was alive and well in MS. http://www.sunherald.com/other_content/breaking/flag_county_totals.htm (http://www.sunherald.com/other_content/breaking/flag_county_totals.htm)
I thought the proposed flag looked cool. This is an old dead issue for losers living in the past.
Eagler
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
...the confederate flag is symbolism of rebellion, we're now (and have been) under ONE Flag since the end of the confederate war...thus, ban or replace it for something that doesn't symbolize rebellion.
Ban or replace the US flag - it symbolizes a rebellion too!
Why doesn't treachery ever prosper? Because if it prospers, none dare call it treachery.
The same can be said about a rebellion.
The british did not have the will to spill as much blood to keep the colonies as US was willing to spill to keep the South.
miko
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Hehe, Spin doctor! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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good point, miko
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
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I found one arguement worth banning the flag for...the confederate flag is symbolism of rebellion, we're now (and have been) under ONE Flag since the end of the confederate war...thus, ban or replace it for something that doesn't symbolize rebellion.
hehehe Rip that's the one valid argument for keeping it!
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"the confederate war..."
You are ,of course, referring to The War of Northern Aggression.
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Whatever they don't like it all revolves around racism. Good thing the brits aren't living with us as well for I would still be ticked that they forced us to come live over here. At any rate the flag stays they can boycott all they want. I have other more important things to worry about like how gas went up 20 cents a gallon last week. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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"The soup nazi"
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Originally posted by easymo:
"the confederate war..."
You are ,of course, referring to The War of Northern Aggression.
I hope that's a troll.......
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you can rationalize the use of anything.
I could say the swastika represented not the holocaust but German national pride and rebellion against the tyrannic versailles agreement.
But in this case, I don't see why it should be banned. it has a clear history, and was in use when the north had slaves too. Seems odd to want to ban a flag (or not use it like the suggestion was)
That being said, i can understand how the African American population feels about it. They probably see it in a siilar way as jews see the swastika.
not saying it's right or wrong, but that's the perception i believe.
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Santa, we somewhat agree, however, the MEDIA can DISTORT that perception to a GREAT degree, and it sells...sells ads for TV, sells newspapers...ie. stir the pot, reap the financial rewards (Media)
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Let me tell you all something. I live in northern mississippi. RACISM here is worse than any other place in the country. The fight against the flag has nothing to do with anything but racism. I love all ppl but there are good and bad in us all. The trouble makers are the ones i hate no matter what color or creed.
RWY
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RWY, I'd be vey interested in your prospective of this whole event. Please tell if you have the time.
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Well - that's where democracy rules. You may disagree/dislike the outcome but where were you when the polling stations were open?
Radio over here reported 2:1 majority for keeping the flag... If people could be bothered to vote on the issue - they would have. Obviously, it was not that big of an issue for those who (allegedly) desired it most.
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One comment how can they call themselves African Americans, when the vast majority are not even from Africa? So do I have a right to insist instead of being called white to being called a European American? Guess what if I do it labels me as a racist, try this one out as well B.E.T, I open a TV show called W.E.T. How long do you think it will last before it is cancelled?
I have mixed views on this whole racism thing. I come from a true southern family yet I was the only one in my whole family born in the North as they might say. I find racism to be quite silly for I have friends that are both white and black. And I treat both equal, why because they treat me the same way. What we have is ignorance and it isn't getting better it is getting worse. Do I condone rap music for what it stands for? No, but I also hate country "I really hate country".
Everyday you read in the paper or hear in the news racism this or I was a victim of that. Why does this happen to me? And when it does why make a big deal about it? My god hasn't everyone ran into a person that treated them like total sh*t? It didn't matter what color the person was, they still were prettythangholes to you. Boycotting a state because they don't see to your views, doesn't this bother anyone else?
We look upon adults to act like adults, when I see the likes of JJ or Ferakhan "However you spell it" to me they seem to insight racism to spread it more to better themselves. I live in a predominantly black city 60% I think, I have been doused with racism to a full. Is it reported? Of course not that is not what the news wants to show or the public wants to see.
Back to the flag subject, it is a piece of history. Let it go out as that and not as a symbol of hatred. We must also remind these "African Americans" that slavery was not just from the white people their own kind sold them into slavery. From doing a research project on this in High school it was interesting to find out a lot of slaves did not want to leave, and a lot of them fought for the southern side "how ironic".
I think the media, movies and portrayals has dimmed a light on this subject that is irreparable now. The time is coming and I foresee it as soon, something is going to set off a time bomb in this nation. One that will throw our country into chaos. Don't believe look around, it isn't exactly getting better in the US thats for sure.
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"The soup nazi"
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Wobble, stop flooding this whole BBS with sh*t, please.
Sturmp, your follower could follow that example too...
Saw
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Who put you in charge?
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"The soup nazi"
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Sturm brings to light the evidence that the divide between black and white in this country is further divided by abuse and mis-use of ones 'color'. And what he is saying is if a white man brings it up, its racism, if a black man does, its not..who are we to say he's right or wrong?
I somewhat agree with him, I have to tip toe around just so I don't 'offend' anyone, yet that same tip-toeing is never applied to me.
Those are my feelings. Racist? Hardly. One of my best friends is black. He wants to be known as "Black" because his direct ancestors helped build America, not Africa. He sees the abuse by his own, and he dislikes it too. But, he's also a very educated, very successful person by the blood sweat and tears of his own hard work, he did not ride on the backs of others, he used his own back.
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Hey Robert, I'm just a tad west of you here in Birmingham, and you said a mouthful. I was born and raised in Northern California and moving here was a shock to say the least. There may not be a cold war with Russia thanks to Ron, but there still remains a cold war here. There are SO many things wrong with this and that, education tops the list, but this flag issue gets more attention than all other problems combined. Kids starving, education going to hell, and these folks are concerned about a flag thats been around for how long?? I have a picture my mother gave me of a great(repeat as needed) grand-father by the name of Gen Horatio L Gates hanging in my living room among other things from my time in the service. I had someone who I 'thought' was a friend come over and while visiting had a very bad comment about it. It has a Confederate flag at the bottom along with a summary of his service. This 'friend' didn't ask me about my relative who I never knew, didn't comment on some of my other military items, but instead went right for that evil flag. We got into it bigtime over an inanimate object and haven't spoken since. If someone had told me long ago this would happen I would have laughed and said thats the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Well, you don't know til you've lived here.
On the other hand, I married the sweetest little southern gal from N Carolina 14 years ago and let me tell you this, whoever said southern belles make the best wives knew what he was talking about. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I said this just so you know it ai'nt ALL bad down here.....
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Thank you Rip, I tried Tip toeing as much as possible as well. We talk about these things and many times we come to the same conclusion, granted it is over a few beers but it ends the same. WTF can people not get along, lol I know its rodney kingish but we usually do say that. It is very hard to say we are not prejudice, everyone is some more extreme then others. I think you should take pride in your ethnicity and of course your families journies thru the centuries.
I don't think we should persecute those that want to have theirs continue. I had a lot fo relatives serve in the Southern Armies, and some in the northern armies as well. Does that mean I cannot fly the Banner because of what the northeners did to my fellow southern relatives? And of course vice versa towards the confederate flag.
The southern flag does not stand for slavery, nor has it ever stood for it. maybe in some peoples eyes it does, for the ones that educate themselves on the matter they might understand what it means.
Ignorance
Selfishness
lazyness
Assumption
Add those up and you get what kind of a person?
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"The soup nazi"
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Thud. Secession is still not outside the scope of possibility.
Don't mess with Texas.
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here is a little story to tell you how things go here in Mississippi. I work in a casino that has live bands playing music. This one group that most ppl loved to hear play because they were truly great was asked not to return to the casino. WHY you ask...they played the "Battle Hyme Of The Republic" once and let me tell you. Had to be one of the best performances i have ever seen. They were asked not to come back if they were going to keep playing racist songs that upset the black customers. To settle the point about how i feel about black ppl. Before i got married to one of the great southern gals. i owned my home and rented a room to a very good friend of mine. Guess what ! he is black and i would walk on the water for him. I hate ppl who will stand up and say or make me feel like i owe them something. Why because along time ago there were black slaves. For all you history buffs out there.....there was a 3/1 ratio white to black slaves back then but you never hear about all that. You never hear about the black plantation owners that inslaved there own kind and died figthing a war to keep their slaves. I could go on and on about this and it would never settle a thing. PPL nead to learn how to love rather than to hate.
RWY
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Originally posted by easymo:
Thud. Secession is still not outside the scope of possibility.
Don't mess with Texas.
Yeah right, LOL
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The british did not have the will to spill as much blood to keep the colonies...
Not really true. They had the will but not the means; the French were a little uppity at that time, and they had to be sorted out. India was seen as a far more valuable colony and that was under threat. On the whole, a very expensive business.
If America had been as close geographically to Britain as, say, France, they would have had no problem putting down the rebellion. But that ocean thing is a little hard to cross quickly without Concorde.
But hey, it turned out alright in the end.
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Originally posted by Thud:
Yeah right, LOL
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Actually Thud, easymo is correct. Texas is the only state in the US that still has the right to legally secede from the Union. They kept that right in their state charter when they joined.
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Originally posted by sling322:
Actually Thud, easymo is correct. Texas is the only state in the US that still has the right to legally secede from the Union. They kept that right in their state charter when they joined.
Er... not federally legal, it ain't. The state law is overridden by the federal law. Seems that no one particularly cares about that vote on the Texas ballots.
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You know what galls me most about this whole bit? The *people* have spoken, 2 to 1, to keep the flag.
So, you'd think that was it? Right?
Noooo....you see, what the PEOPLE say isnt what the NAACP's *PEOPLE* say....so before the election, we HAD to vote and speak your mind. Well, the people have spoken, they decided they DIDNT like what was spoken loadly and are going to form their own petty little boycott. Yawn, see a trend?
Its all absurd. Ask the people what they want, if they disagree with the minority, in true stupid fashion, we have to give way to the minority despite the ruling of the majority.
A man on the moon, a robot (or two) on Mars and we still can't convince people to get with it. <shrug>
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Originally posted by Robert:
here is a little story to tell you how things go here in Mississippi. I work in a casino that has live bands playing music. This one group that most ppl loved to hear play because they were truly great was asked not to return to the casino. WHY you ask...they played the "Battle Hyme Of The Republic" once and let me tell you. Had to be one of the best performances i have ever seen. They were asked not to come back if they were going to keep playing racist songs that upset the black customers. To settle the point about how i feel about black ppl. Before i got married to one of the great southern gals. i owned my home and rented a room to a very good friend of mine. Guess what ! he is black and i would walk on the water for him. I hate ppl who will stand up and say or make me feel like i owe them something. Why because along time ago there were black slaves. For all you history buffs out there.....there was a 3/1 ratio white to black slaves back then but you never hear about all that. You never hear about the black plantation owners that inslaved there own kind and died figthing a war to keep their slaves. I could go on and on about this and it would never settle a thing. PPL nead to learn how to love rather than to hate.
RWY
You work at Tunica?
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Originally posted by ispar:
Er... not federally legal, it ain't. The state law is overridden by the federal law. Seems that no one particularly cares about that vote on the Texas ballots.
If I remember history 101 correctly (its been 40 years) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Texas "joined" the union as an independent republic, (having won their independence from Mexico without formal help from the U S of A), and as such stipulated that they retained the right to become sovereign in the future. The only other independent nation to "join" the "union" was Hawaii and they did not make this same stipulation.
This could have changed, but I do not remember hearing anything about such a change.
I do remember, back in the late 60s early 70s, there was a movement afoot to change the charter of the Texas Rangers. I believe that they were originally a private army to the republic of Texas and some of the powers that be wanted that charter changed to a police charter. Never did hear how that one came out.
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And you REALLY dont want to mess with the Rangers. They are what the FBI should have been.
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Insane... progression in racial equality does not mean you regress to fix history so that the past is clear of what you want removed completely in the future.
You know why Hitler never succeeded in invading Russia? He didn't analyze the mistakes of Napolean. If you can't use past history as a benchmark or a point of reference as to what you can do better in the future, then you are really working against yourself and the human race in trying to become unified so we can all kick down the walls of racial prejudice together.
Half my family is from North Dakota, the other half is from Geogia- I was born and raised in Wash, DC.
I dunno, it all seems just like a reason to get rid of history so we can go through it all again later on down the road.
-SW
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Wobble, stop flooding this whole BBS with sh*t, please.
yeah, post pictures of chickens or something really worthwhile like Saintard.
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Yes Ammo i work in tunica.
RWY
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I have seen history books...brand new...that have no mention of black slaves, Hitler and the Jews, or anything else that has to do with historical racism. I e-mailed the company to ask why...and they said that they were doing it to protect the kids from the bad things of the past. Mind you, these are elementery and middle school history books. Well...if that's the case...then I can see that history books I'll be teaching to a class of my own won't mention the Civil War, because it had to do with slavery, it won't mention the Battle of the Alamo, because we killed Mexicans, it won't mention World War I, because it's war, we won't mention World War II, because not only was it war, it also involved Hitler and the Holocaust, and it might not even mention any war in the past 40 years.
How are we supposed to learn from history if all the pansy-assed, child-in-a-bubble parents try to protect their children from the "bad" things in America? Someone tell me..I want to know. What is past is past...and it is there to learn from. If they remove anything invloving racism and war, I see that my children's children will have slaves, segregated shops, and many more wars, because they won't know about the Civil Rights movements, the World Wars, and the Civil War.
We are supposed to learn from the past and make sure it doesn't happen again. I don't want to talk to my grandkids when they're 16 about World War II and them to say "What was that?"
As George Carlin says: "You want to know how to help your children? LEAVE THEM THE F**K ALONE!!!"
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Originally posted by MrBill:
If I remember history 101 correctly (its been 40 years) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Texas "joined" the union as an independent republic, (having won their independence from Mexico without formal help from the U S of A), and as such stipulated that they retained the right to become sovereign in the future. The only other independent nation to "join" the "union" was Hawaii and they did not make this same stipulation.
This could have changed, but I do not remember hearing anything about such a change.
I do remember, back in the late 60s early 70s, there was a movement afoot to change the charter of the Texas Rangers. I believe that they were originally a private army to the republic of Texas and some of the powers that be wanted that charter changed to a police charter. Never did hear how that one came out.
Well, it seems I have spoken before my turn although I doubt this was what easymo was referring to when I look at his first post in this thread.........
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Originally posted by ispar:
Er... not federally legal, it ain't. The state law is overridden by the federal law. Seems that no one particularly cares about that vote on the Texas ballots.
Wrong, state law is overridden by the constitution. Texas was/is the only state to retain the right to secede after recontruction. Which I sometimes think we should exercise.
Texas is the best place on Earth! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Udie
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Regarding what they put above about children living in a bottle I think it's not due to protecting the children from the 'bad' things of the world but from protecting their innocence for the most time possible.
It is very Important IMO for a child to be happy and not get troubled or disillusioned by the world which surrounds them which most often is a harsh one until that child grows to have the necessary maturity to actually understand what goes around them.
Again this is just my opinion.
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Based on other posts, it should be clear that Texans are very familiar with there legal rights. I am not advocating secession. But it is nice to know we have the right in our back pocket.
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Originally posted by Glasses:
Regarding what they put above about children living in a bottle I think it's not due to protecting the children from the 'bad' things of the world but from protecting their innocence for the most time possible.
It is very Important IMO for a child to be happy and not get troubled or disillusioned by the world which surrounds them which most often is a harsh one until that child grows to have the necessary maturity to actually understand what goes around them.
Again this is just my opinion.
When's that, when they are 21?
BS, children are old enough in 5th and 6th grade to learn about the "bad" things in history.
I was.
Glasses, you are of the mindset which is the problem.
Eagler
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One kid in 6th one in 4th, I've held nothing back since either was 10. They hate when I make them 'look it up' or when I say "go see what you can find and we'll talk later", of course the rewards are that I get to talk to my kids, they learn and not just from school textbooks, then we go out and grab a bite at Cracker Barrel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
All this knowledge they have and still they cannot figure out why people they don't know want to blame them and anything associated with them and their past for something over which they had no control or say. And on top of that, the same folks want to 'change' the parts they don't like.
The south is still at war but with itself now, anything that can be abused is, programs that were intended to provide temporary relief are used as life time grants, others are used to get a promotion over someone else who is clearly the better choice. And I've only been here 10 short years...but I've never seen this much hate in one place before.
I quit trying to understand it long ago, too many headaches. 2 years til retirement and hello Colorado, maybe there I can have grand-dads pic on the wall without ruffling feathers. We shall see....
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I haven't seen anything in this discussion from the black community - so I thought I'd throw in my two cents, since I am, for want of a better term, black (BTW, I agree the currently PC term of "African-American" is both awkward and misleading), and I know exactly why there is opposition to the old flag.
The flag itself is tied to history and to heritage, and was never intended represent racist ideologies. As the Confederate Battle Flag, it flew over people who were acting as patriots in the best American tradition, and who fought and died for what they felt was their country, as honorably as any Americans have ever fought for anything. The problem lies elsewhere.
The problem comes from the fact that the Confederate flag was adopted by a minority faction (long after the War Between The States was over) to symbolize their opposition to any attempts at addressing the civil rights of Black people (and I think we can all agree that those issues HAD to be addressed). This group added an overlay of meaning to the flag that was never there historically, and its that added association that people object to.
In my personal experience, the South has done more to outgrow racist attitudes than the North has - but visual symbols are very powerful, and the Confederate flag is a particularly powerful symbol. Regardless of its origin and of what it SHOULD represent, there will always be discomforting overtones associated with it to Black Americans - not because of its legitimate history, but because its symbolism was usurped by a small group of people with particularly ugly attitudes.
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Yoj, most extremist groups have two flags flying, one is the US flag we have today, the other is the Union Jack...so should we take both down since a minority faction has abused(IMO) both flags?
That's where the political question lies.
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Beat me to it Rip, the flag issue means alot to me. My heritage and what my relatives fought for. That is what everyone wants right? Their heritage remembered. Shall we hate the british? Should the Indians hate us for what happened when we came to this country? I think they have more of a right to hate the US flag then anyone else.
Just think about that, the american indians were here first we came and took their land, massacred their families and do we hear them squeaking and complaining about a flag? One last thing it happened along time ago we weren't there, that is where it should stay.
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Guys, I'm not arguing the flag issue - I'm telling you why black America has a problem with it. Taking the flag down is not a solution - the only solution is removing racism from the hearts of everyone in this country, because it it were gone, nobody would be concerned about the flag.
At best the issue is a focal point for debate. Unfortunately, this one has so much emotional charge that, as far as I can see, neither side is listening to the other, so its no longer a meaningful debate - if it ever was.
As far as your points about the British, the Native Americans and other flags - those are moot. Those people are not upset, whether you think they have more reason to be or not. Logically analyzing one side of the issue and saying it makes no sense is not fair. NEITHER side has a logical reason for strong feelings - but BOTH have understandable strong emotional reasons for their reactions. More would be concluded if they didn't dismiss each other's points of view so easily.
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Oh and STURM - I don't think you've talked much to Native American's about this issue. You might be surprised what many of them think about Old Glory. Its not a dusty old issue long forgotten. There is a movement afoot to have Columbus Day removed as a holiday, not to mention all the movements for land reparations, and on and on. YOU might think its all in the past, but the losers have long memories.
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Originally posted by easymo:
And you REALLY dont want to mess with the Rangers.
Yeah...but they got no pitching at all. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
And a side-note to Ispar...if Texas decided to secede, would those Federal laws really matter anymore? I mean, if you decided to leave a union then why would you care what their laws said anyways? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hey folks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I just wanted to pop in and comment-
The synosism of Racism and the Confederate flag isn't due to the fact that they were slaves in the south. The North had just as many slave owners (The southern owners just had more) even the friggin' White House had slaves. (yep, even good ol' Abe)
The main reason it becomes such a big issue is because of the KKK. People saw them marching with that flag, and the reaction was heated, instantaneous, and ignorant.
What people fail to see was the honor and glory of the men who fell fighting a war who just wanted to be left alone. It was the war of Northern Aggression.
Another thing people turn a blind eye to was that during the biggest growth of the KKK, it wasn't the Confederate flag at the head of the parade.
It was the same flag that still waves over the White House.
The KKK has been deformed from a private social club hell bent on making lives of the occupying Northern forces "intresting" (They weren't burning crosses or anything back then- they were "haunting" them with the ghosts of the Confederate dead) to an institution hell bent on destroying the honor and sacrifice that legions of men who fell for what they believed in.
It's a total crime, a shame, and outright embarrasing to give such an institution this kind of power. These objections shouldn't be worth the paper they're written on simply because of a (relatively small) group of guys and gals just looking for attention.
The KKK is the king of Trolls.
Think before you flame. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"You Rebel Scum"
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Funny I am married to a native amercican, guess your right I haven't talked to them about it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?" Famous quote from Animal House, John Belushi.
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
Well the vote came in today, the Confederate flag WILL NOT be ordered removed from the mississippi capital building.
The citizens of Mississippi are the poorest, most diseased, and least educated of any US state.
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Yoj still waiting for a response.
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Airfield Defense Squadron
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?" Famous quote from Animal House, John Belushi.
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Can't respond until I read it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Obviously I didn't know about your marriage, or, for that matter, who you've talked to or what about. I still maintain that suggesting that native Americans AS A GROUP have forgotten the past and hold no resentment about having been conquered and kicked off their land is simply wrong. There are a lot who do, and pretty regularly that resentment flares up.
There is no conflict between this and the often intense patriotism they show. WW2 is a great example - native Americans, Nisei and black Americans in particular distinguished themselved fighting for the country that oppressed them both before and after the war. That did not stop them from resenting that oppression and fighting against it.
Its easy to say the past is gone, and logically its true. People are not always logical.
- Yoj
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I have a question to all you folks outthere... yeah i know...everyone's best friend is black...
So when did the rasizm and prosecusion for the color of skin ENDED in america ? Date please.
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
Northolt Wing Headquarters (http://www.raf303.org/northolt/)
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Originally posted by Montezuma:
The citizens of Mississippi are the poorest, most diseased, and least educated of any US state.
Where the @#$% did that come from ?
RWY
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"So when did the rasizm and prosecusion for the color of skin ENDED in america ? Date please."
Three possibilities: (1) There never was any, (2) June 17th, 1982, (3) its still here. (My vote is for #3).
- Yoj
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Topic change what about other countries? Ok funny thing is I am a minority on the base where I work, or I should say the squadron. Do i recieve special treatment, or even special recommendations? There is so much squeaking from minorities and to be honest I don't think they realize how good they have it. Education, grants, small business, you name it.
I do not feel sorry for anyone that does not take advantage of free education. I wish I had it, I lost out and you want to know why? Even though i had higher SAT's and a higher GPA I was not awarded a scholarship, see in MI "UofM" they had to give scholarships to minorities even if they scored lower. Don't believe me? Was in the news and made headlines.
Am I angry about it, at the time I was am I now? No I hope those that made it made something of their lives. Sit back and think how you would feel if you were in my situation. And BTW UofM is not a cheap university to go to.
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Originally posted by Robert:
Where the @#$% did that come from ?
RWY
You must be aware that by just about every measure of social progress Mississippi is dead last of the 50 states.
Mississippi has the lowest rates of college graduation and literacy. The shortest life expectancy, highest infant mortality rate, and highest incidence of sexually transmitted diseases are in Mississippi. Guess which state has the highest poverty rate and the lowest average income?
Despite this, Mississippi voters seem to think that the flying banner of an old misguided venture is more important than desperately needed investment and economic development. Admirable or pitiful?
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Originally posted by Montezuma:
You must be aware that by just about every measure of social progress Mississippi is dead last of the 50 states.
Mississippi has the lowest rates of college graduation and literacy. The shortest life expectancy, highest infant mortality rate, and highest incidence of sexually transmitted diseases are in Mississippi. Guess which state has the highest poverty rate and the lowest average income?
Despite this, Mississippi voters seem to think that the flying banner of an old misguided venture is more important than desperately needed investment and economic development. Admirable or pitiful?
And changing the flag would improve those statistics in what possible way?
The flag issue was brought up by the the Governor of MS who supported the new flag. The vote cost roughly $3million dollars at a time when the Dept of Human Services, Dept of Health, Dept of Rehab Services, and other agencies of MS are having to cut their budgets. And that is pitiful.