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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: x0847Marine on January 14, 2006, 03:46:30 PM
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Food for though, a meal for the ant-gun folks.
To make a long story short: Through some brilliant liberal BS Section 8 plan my new neighbors were relocated from South Central to next door. Ghetto hilarity ensues and my once quiet complex deteriorates into crack / hooker / "rolli'n 60's gangsta" Central. Eviction follows.
You can take Jimmy out of the ghetto, but you cant take the ghetto out of Jimmy.
Eviction to a cluck = vacation, they get to squat, for free, with no concern of landlord retribution. Soon enough there was a full on furball'o clucks, CHUDS and other assorted street urchins in and out 24/7... the evicted party needs to earn some fast cash for the next Govt program they get moved too, what better time to save when not paying rent?
LAPD has paid almost daily visits, but through lower hiring standards and general apathy, the officer don't give a rats bellybutton and have done nothing. I flat out told them on several occasions "if you don't do something, somebody will get hurt... and it won't be me" They blew it off a bravado, rather than actually listen, and even worse tried to take my weapon and leave me defenseless.
Playtime ended yesterday when the biggest mofo of the cluck posse got in my face with "I'm having you taken care of tomorrow".. paranoid that I'm the cop caller. This dude is 6'4" and easily 240 of cornfed gangster crackness. His recent stint in the stir afforded him the opportunity to work out and get huge, on my (our US tax payer) dollar.
Sure enough, on my own porch as I'm drinking coffee, three CHUDS approach me, well me Smith & Wesson, ramped up and ready to "take care" of me. I'm very lucky to have a CCW as a retired cop, so I'm usually armed.
Lets just say they failed, the police left about an hour ago... and amazingly chastised me for inviting trouble by sitting on my own porch!, and again wanted to take my weapon.
No shots were fired, this time, but my trusty S&W 669 held them at bay until the police arrived. The clucks stopped dead in their tracks when I went to single action and told the lead loser I was shooting him in the head "first".
When the police fail to do their job again and again, it's ultimately up to me to protect myself and family... nobody else was there to do it for me. I thank the forefathers for being smart enough to recognize this and ask the anti gun folks, you really think you're smarter than they were?
I have the right to bear arms for this exact reason... and if next time the clucks get the jump on me, you can pry my .669 out of my cold dead fingers.
The Sheriffs will be locking them out on Monday, but I'm fully expecting more trouble. Amazingly, now that shots were 4lbs away from being fired, it seems the local gendarme is finally paying attention to this situation and providing the "extra" patrol I was promised 3 weeks ago.
I would like to thank my Government for feeding the CHUD leader a high starch meal so his workouts pay dividends. And for bringing these CHUDS to my door, what a fantastic idea... put ghetto crack heads in quite buildings and pay 90% of their rent, bravo!. And finally, a big thanks for treating me as if I'm the criminal by trying to leave me defenseless by denying me the right to bear arms as they do nothing but drive by and wave at the real criminals.
Before today I had no political affiliation, I'm voting republican from now on, the stench of liberalism has reached my door and I don't like it.
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**** dude, make sure to get yourself some half moon reload clips or something. I'd be even more worried now then before...
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wtg xmarine!!
i hope they don't give you any more grief!
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just watch out. Predators are just that. They are all tough until they lose the upper hand but a lil bit of booze or crack in them and they are liable to return in a less convenient way. Just watch your back, especially for the next couple of weeks.
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Right on... What I want to say would lead to my instant banning... But I am in whole hearted agreement with you X. Hang in there.
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wtg. now don't sleep a wink.
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I'm thinking a Remington 870 behind the door will make a nice backup to that S&W you have. Sucks that this has to happen but just keeping checking your six. Since your an ex cop you at least know what the sights are for. Just remember that when they pull their gats out and hold them sideways over their heads that the safest place to be is right in front of them with a bead drawn center mass. Good luck!!!
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It's already started. I was feeding a semi stray mom cat that lived around the buildging.
I found her on the hood of my car with a broken neck.
I'm still in a bit of shock that my own Govt is fully responsible for bringing this trouble to my door. These people have availed themselves to every imaginable Govt program; they're all on SSI collecting regular checks, they have food stamps, govt subsidized rent and utilities... even a County Maid service that cleans the apartment!!! you name it.
And of course these people should have a choice where to live, right?
When they complain the Govt is keeping them down by living in the hood, no problem... we can relocate your whole Fked up family to a nice quiet building where you can sit around all day get fat, sell drugs to a new market and generally ruin the quality of life of those around you.
Evicted you say?, bah!! racism!!!, we'll still pay your rent and help you move ensuring your Govt checks reach you on time... and if that angry cracker bothers you, we'll try to take his gun to keep you safe while you threaten his whole family and stomp his stray kitty.
I love America, but man... some things are SNAFU.
Edit:
A few photos I took, nothing exciting.
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/fanofhockey/chuds/
Check out the welfare spread on this one:
(http://members.dslextreme.com/users/fanofhockey/chuds/DSCF0021.JPG)
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That's a good story & glad you weren't hurt ..I'd be gettin the hell outta there though..gang-scum don't like to be "dis-respected"
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and the anti-gun nuts want to take our guns, so we can be walked all over by the criminals whose guns they'll never be able to get.
Good job xmarine!
Though I'd have probrably shot em and made the scene look like they shot first.:D
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FREE THE SLAVES!!!!!!
FREE THE SLAVES!!!!!!
FREE THE SLAVES!!!!!
oh........srry, I missed that episode on the history channel :aok
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Meanwhile, a 15 year veteran of the US Army sits at home unable to work due to back injury seffered in a truck accident in Iraq that has forced a medical discharge. The accident happened after his convoy was attacked. His Humve was broadsided by a driver-less (killed) fuel truck as they were busy shooting at insurgents. This solder has a wife and three kids. Luckily he is alive. He has been out for a year and unable to work. His family lives on the income of his wife. She makes very little. He thought that his diability would pick up by now and they would be ok. It hasnt. And he gets NO help. The only reason they still have their house is because of family and friends. This man gave the ARMY 15 years. He was in month 12 of his second 18 month deployment in Iraq. He also served in Kuwait in '92.
Its a shame.
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Glad you're safe. Stay that way.
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Just as bad, we have all these government programs for civilians, yet our own active duty junior enlisted military dont get paid enough to feed their family.
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Good GOD man do you see the booty on that chick in the photo.
:O
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Hopefully you reported the cat incident. It's important to to document each and every episode just in case.
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X - I appreciate your point of view, in a city that allows this...
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/gun2.jpg)
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Screw disrespecting them...put one right between the running lights and be done with it. They killed your cat and left it on your car??? In anyones book that would be considered a threat against your life. Next time one of those punks even stepped in your yard you should blast em and be done with it. You are in reasonable fear for your life and acting in self defense. Kill em all and let God sort em out. Stay safe and good luck man. If you have to use a weapon please shoot straight.
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Beetle, regardless of the laws, the only ones who will abide by them will be the honest working man who pays for the permits to own any kind of gun in question.
The drug dealers and gang bangers dont care about laws. In their eyes they are above them... No matter how many laws are made, the only ones who are going to suffer in the end will be someones wife and kids while they get robbed on the way to the grocery store by some 18yr old gang bangin punk with an uzi.
Laws do not stop the illegal sales of firearms from the back some of homeboys Honda Civic. They take the guns out of the hands of the inocent and leave them defenceless in the face of evil.
It is safe to say, (i think) that xMarine would not be sitting here typing to us had he not been able to do what he did. Which is demonstate his right to keep and bear arms.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
The right to bear arms saved my life
Chicken, Egg, which came first, it all depends on the way you look at the situation. But I doubt you'll get it.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Chicken, Egg, which came first, it all depends on the way you look at the situation. But I doubt you'll get it.
Eew...use power worms on a carolina rig.
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Hopefully you reported the cat incident. It's important to to document each and every episode just in case.
Yea, the police just left again.... pisses me off... they put out a few cigetettes out on the poor thing. Friendly tabby that would, and probably did, lovengly head butt its killers.
I wanted to add that I wanted to avoid these fuggers, but thanks to the cast on my fractured leg, old folks have sex faster than I move. I was in the process of negoiating my slowcrippledass inside, but they BnZ'd on me... I was stuck.
The lead thug said I'd need a bigger cast when they were done, "ya feel me?!". I dont take pointing a loaded gun at someone lightly, and in all candor I would have walked inside normally. Any military / police guys can relate to this, although I've been retired for awhile.. doing what I knew needed to be done was automatic... before I even thought about it.
I'm happy to report the three that went to jail, 1 was on parole, 2 probation... all will be gone for awhile, but I'll be "checking my six" a bit extra... I am more worried about those around me.
Adding to my already bad day, the LA Kings are down 5-1 in the 1st period.
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Maybe they didn't like being called CHUDs and Clucks.
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Yea sure, clearly they are the victim in all this.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Maybe they didn't like being called CHUDs and Clucks.
Maybe he calls em as he sees em?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Maybe they didn't like being called CHUDs and Clucks.
better then what I call them.
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No all of us have the capacity to be as tolerant or compassionate towards those "less fortunate" as MT is.
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no one should use epithets because all it does is marginalize the person and minimize their position. The fact remains that clearly anyone (well except maybe pinhead liberals about to become statistics) would be justifiably concerned if they were approached at night while all alone by a group of of black youths. does that make all members of a minority equally culpable or prone to criminal behavior? no of course not. never the less there are more blacks and latins in prison than anyone else for a reason and that reason isn't discrimination.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Maybe they didn't like being called CHUDs and Clucks.
CHUD was a kids movie, cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers.. which I think is an accurate description of their lifestyle..lol, and yeah, old cop slang. Cluck refers to the way crackheads bob their head when they walk (away from police) fast... they seriously look like chickens (bak, bak, bak)
Colorful descriptions is all, really, nothng I ever called them in person.
...the thing about today is, I woke up in a good mood, well rested just had a great cup of Joe and a smoke thinking, why not read the news on the porch?
So I drug my cast outside with my laptop, sat down and 5 min later... all the sudden... high drama. I also rarely sit on my porch, 5 feet from my door, armed... but lately with all the police activity, dirtbags and my broken leg, I figured better safe than SORRY and put my S&W in the huge pocket of my pull over sweatshirt... admittedly as an afterthought... who the hell needs a frikn gun to sit on the porch for fuks sake!!!!!!!
Had I just sat inside, or decided not to take my gun because I've done this a thousand times and not needed it .. hindsight is 20/20, huh?
I'm still wondering if today really happened (pinches self), *sigh*.. I need a beer.
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You could always use their 'native tongue' or ebonics and speak to them in their own 'language'...
Just pick up some 'gangsta rap'...
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check 6 beet1e.
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Typical Beet; I'd like to see him cite a US city that "allows" the discharge of fully automatic weapons within the city limits at anything other than a designated firing range.
Don't know of any city that doesn't have an ordinance similiar to this one:
Discharge of firearms within City Limits.
It shall be unlawful for any person to discharge any description of firearms whatever anywhere within the corporate limits of the City of West Point, Mississippi, except:
A. by a duly authorized law enforcement or animal control officer when necessary in the performance of his official duties, or
B. by a person in the performance of military duty under military regulations, or
C. by a person acting in actual self defense or for the purpose of protecting life, limb, or property, or
D. by a person engaged in lawful hunting as provided for hereinafter, or
E. by a person engaged in lawful participation at a facility properly licensed to conduct a firearms sporting activity, including but not limited to, skeet shooting, trap shooting, paint-ball events, and similar sporting activities, or
F. by a person engaged in lawful participation at a facility properly licensed for the conduct of firearms training, education, or qualification activities.
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Glad you're alright X, keep your friends S&W with you at all times, hell call up Dirty Harry and have him come over. He can blow their heads clean off.
Then again there is Chuck Norris....
Seriously though, you need some more friends then Smith $ Wesson. Even an ex cop with all the training in the world will have difficulty popping 3 a**holes if they even have somewhat good aim (they can take out drive by victims 10% of the time, civilians 80%).
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I predict that this will either evaporate or end poorly.
Keep your head low and watch your six, Marine.
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had almost the same situation. had 14 ummm recent immagrints (?) from mexico living next door to me. heard a noise in the garage on night thought the cat got locked in there again. when i opened the door one of my nice new kindly neighbors had half his body thru a vent in the wall. i hit him in the head with a baseball bat and called the cops. i was arrested for assualt with a deadly weapon. the riverside county,california da didnt file charges and i was sent home. after 26 years of living in the same house we put it up for sale and moved to las vegas. what a country
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I try not to live or work around those people. Get the hell out.
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I think so too.
Unless this particular home is meaningful enough that you're ready to die there, soon enough, I'd relocate.
Living well is the best revenge.
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Morpheus - what you say makes perfect sense - in the US, where even hardened criminals such as those described by x0847 have easy access to weapons like the one in the pic I posted, from a movie set in Los Angeles. The most surprising thing in x0847's account was that he was asked by the police to give up his gun - did I understand that correctly?
Vulcan said it first - chicken/egg. X0847 needs his S&W .669 to feel safe at his own house whereas had he been in London, he might have felt as safe as at a Church bingo night with no gun at all.
Mr. Toad, when I said a "city that allows this", I wasn't talking about the firing of the gun. I was talking about the person holding it being allowed to get hold of it in the first place. It's like allowing Iranian ayatollahs to have nukes, but on a different scale. I know that many people here - including NUKE - will relate to this.
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The best defense is to live in a place which doesn't have thugs on rampage. The problem with gun defense is that the thug could also be packing - and he has FAR less to lose than a family man. He thinks manslaughter one as an occupational hazard where to you it's the end of the life as you know it.
So.. the perp always pulls the trigger easyer.
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As far as XM needing help with those hammerheads ? The North Hollywood LAPD divison isn't gona do watermelon , uless their is a homicide , thery simpley will not put their officers "at risk " where XM lives, also they could give a watermelon as to what may or may not happen to XM or his neibours untill after the fact !
As for the welfare / government handouts and support of those worthless scrotes ? .... XM's post has discribed it to a TEE ! The fuggin liberal laws here and lack of support and enforcement of community and personal saftey by police is discussting at best. When it comes to getting a feel for what it's like in North Hollywood and the San Fernando Valley ( L.A. County ) and the justic system , just look at the results of the snookie exacution last month, ( the local talent made him (( convicted tripple murder, founder of crips gang )) into national black hero........ ) same with OJ Simpson and his bull watermelon trial ....... XM's ordeal is ..."Just another day in Southern California's Life Style .........
The only way XM is gona get any help from law enforcement is to call the L.A. County Sheriff, make an appointment with the sheriff's narco squad , and go in person down to the sheriff's station and file a formal complaint with them and ask for help.......Untill he can relocate .......
Even then, it's gona be risky for him to stay living where he is at .
If those "porch monkeys" want him hurt or dead, they will get to him , soon or later . ........
As for XM having needing a gun or two at his house ?
He's gona need more that that to make his problem "go away" ......
Sad deal ...
XM......
I, like so many others who have watched SFV turn into a getto , understand what your up against ......
I wish you well ......
Take Care !
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Beetle,
You're saying if he didn't have a gun, and was confronted by 3 large druggie thugs who as criminals that pay no attention to laws MIGHT have guns, and who were basically intent on beating him severely, he would have felt safer?
Dude, can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking? If he'd been in the same situation in London or anywhere else in England for that matter, at the least he'd have ended up in the hospital after getting assaulted.
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Beetle,
Just curious, but since you are so strongly opposed to gun-ownership for self-defense or any other non-governmental purpose, why did you go to the shooting range with Lasz when you visited the U.S.?
I can understand curiousity, but that smacks of hypocrisy.
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He's smoking some toodlepip, with a side of cracking cheerio cookies for the cup of bollocks tea.
That blue thinking cap also doubles as a hermetic device.
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America is the third most populated country in the world. Gun laws in a country with a 1/3, 1/10, or 1/100 of our population do not work here. There are many areas where crime is so dense the police can't handle it, or where the local police is so far away you'd be dead and stiff long before they got to you.
Some laws work for some cultures, some don't.
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BS beet and vulcan..
beets solution? disarm everyone... the poor and the old and the young just starting out can just move away to safer neighborhoods... simply buy a $750,000 (in kalifornia) home and move into it and take a starting wage job or pay for it on retirement fixed income.... if they can't afford it.... well... not beets problem..
vulcan you are being surprisingly hypocritical... you are having black gang and other minority gang problems in canada and they are barely getting started.... you can't deal with em now... wait till either of your lilly white socialist countries starts feeling the 3rd world boogie.
MT is disapointingly predictable here too... It's ok to torture animals and to threaten people and gang up on while living off the government and selling/doing drugs so long as the bad guys are colored and the good guys are white because..... can a white guy ever really be the "good guy" when there is even one "brother" suffering under such opression?
I don't care... I feel for xmarine... his life just took a turn for the worst because he refused to be a doormat.... still... he isn't dead or mutilated and that is because of his right to keep and bear arms. How would he have been any safer vulcan if 3 of the monsters had not been able to get guns and he couldn't either?
Would he have been better off if he had to fight 3-10 gang members with his bare hands agains their bare hands? Like that truck driver in the LA riots?
I have been in jail and disarmed and I hate to say it but against four big colored guys I really didn't do that good... lost two teeth as a matter of fact... coulda been lots worse.
The real point is tho that xmarine will just be part of that American statistic the FBI keeps where 1.5-3 million Americans a year use a firearm to prevent a crime from happening.
The people who tortured the cat would torture any of us with just as much glee... they deserve to be imprisoned for life or killed or crippled... they are not really human at this point.... probly will never make it to human.
If I lived near you xmarine I would volunteer to help you watch your place... If more of us did we could take back our neighborhoods from these scum...
The "gangsters" around here are smaller in number and more easily intimidated.. I really feel for you.
lazs
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Originally posted by *NDM*JohnnyX
There are many areas where crime is so dense the police can't handle it
but what does this really means then ? i wouldn stay in such areas for 1 sec.
not with my family. All this troubles are not worth it, even if i would have
100 guns at home, i doubt my family would sleep very well.
I hope the best for your future xmarine, i'm not a pro-gun, but i'm also not
a anti-gun type, its maybe because just where i grew up the last 37 years,
nobody here owns guns or needed one. But maybe it would look
different if i grew up where you are.
What a wonderfull world!
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ghost... if you live in a lilly white socialist country you can not even comprehend the minds of these scum who have no real human emotions except pleasure pain and anger.
It is difficult for old people or people living on a fixed income or young people starting out to not live in an area that is at least close to hordes of these vampires.
We may have created them by attitude or socialism but.... I don't care the reason... they are our problem now and I don't want to face em with my bare hands.
lazs
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Originally posted by eagl
Beetle,
You're saying if he didn't have a gun, and was confronted by 3 large druggie thugs who as criminals that pay no attention to laws MIGHT have guns, and who were basically intent on beating him severely, he would have felt safer?
Dude, can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking? If he'd been in the same situation in London or anywhere else in England for that matter, at the least he'd have ended up in the hospital after getting assaulted.
I have to say i agree with you here. I do not feel the need to own a gun, or am i pro gun ownership in the uk, but if i was in xmarine's situation i would much rather be armed than not.
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Ghost,
You're that easily frightened off your land? You'd give up a house that your family had lived in for generations, just because some bad neighbors move in and start acting like the scum that they are? You'd abandon everything because the bad people moved in?
Keep that up and there will be no safe areas anywhere. Good, honest, upright citizens must fight back or the criminal elements will win, every time. The police have no ability to stop this, and they're not even supposed to try. They exist to keep things stable, and if you voluntarily leave your home anytime you don't like your neighbors, then the police really have nothing to do since you've solved the problem by leaving. That's how police and decent citizens abandon entire neighborhoods to the criminals.
If you don't stand up for yourself, nobody will, and you'll be a victim without a place you can call home for the rest of your life.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Mr. Toad, when I said a "city that allows this", I wasn't talking about the firing of the gun. I was talking about the person holding it being allowed to get hold of it in the first place. It's like allowing Iranian ayatollahs to have nukes, but on a different scale. I know that many people here - including NUKE - will relate to this.
Poor laddie.
Cities here don't "allow" the firing of the gun.
Cities here don't just "allow" the person holding it being allowed to get hold of it in the first place. There are gun laws here too.
In the instance you show, a fully automatic weapon, the purchaser and holder is required to register it with the Federal Government. These are also known as "NFA" weapons, as they are regulated by the National Firearms Act. (Title 2 of the 1968 Gun Control Act is the National
Firearms Act).
It is illegal for anyone to have possession of an NFA weapon that is not registered to them in the NFA Registry. The ATF cannot approve a
transfer/registration where federal, state or local law would be violated by
the transferee possessing the weapon in question.
Further, the individual must submit fingerprints, photograph,
and the law enforcement certification. The law enforcement certification generally used says:
[qutoe]"I certify that I am the chief law enforcement officer of
the organization named below having jurisdiction in the area of
residence of (name of transferee). I have no information that
the transferee will use the firearm or device described on this
application for other than lawful purposes. I have no
information indicating that the receipt and/or possession of the
firearm described in item 4 of this form would place the
transferee in violation of State or local law."
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So, you see that these weapons aren't just "allowed". One can have them but they are tracked and regulated.
Now, people having these weapons without registering them and getting the approval of their local CLEO are called..... wait for lads..... criminals.
By defintion, criminals disobey laws; no amount of further law making will change that.
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Beetle, I think you forget that we dont live on (in comparison of size, in every aspect) a small island. Everything here is bigger, everything... so to compare the US with you (as you always love to do) people really doesnt say much. Its alot easier to walk by and knock down an ant hill than it is to knock down mount Everest.
You will never take the guns out of the hands of criminals. You might, if you're lucky, get a few... A few of which will be replaced the following day. Dont kid yourself. Guns are here to stay. Like I said before, these laws of "gun control" only control the average, honest man or woman, and do more harm than good in most cases. What you do-not-understand is that criminals are just that. They are; in their minds, above any and all laws. That's what makes them criminals.
The police asked for xmarines gun because they are obligated to do anything in their power to prevent a foreseen problem. What they do not have the power to do is take a legally owned firearm out of the hands of a US citizen. I can assure you, had they forcefully taken his gun from him he would have quite the case against them, and the city. And thankfully, the cops weren't stupid enough to force him to surrender his firearm. Because he didn't break any laws.
Guns will always be easily accessible. I am sure, being anti-gun/anti-rights as you are, you have seen those pictures from years back in which piles upon piles of guns sitting next to a furnace awaiting to be melted down. That picture; taken simply as a plablicity stunt by and for the anti-gun/anti-rights activist, is just a fart in the winds of time... At best. One could spend a lifetime taking and destroying firearms and still not make even the slightest of dents. The number of guns in the world today is beyond measure, to honestly think you could take all those guns away is as naive as one can get.
I dont expect you to understand the notion and meaning of The Right to Keep and Bear Arms. You don't have to. You live in a world that doesn't allow people those rights; among others, and sadly, probably never will. The way you think and feel about guns and the rights to own them isn't your fault. It has been programed into you at birth and can never be changed.
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this BS America vs. Britain gun ownership bickering should be taken to another thread
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Hardly, it's very applicable.
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fine.
http://www.met.police.uk/firearms-enquiries/f_fit1.htm
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Originally posted by eagl
Beetle,
You're saying if he didn't have a gun, and was confronted by 3 large druggie thugs who as criminals that pay no attention to laws MIGHT have guns, and who were basically intent on beating him severely, he would have felt safer?
Dude, can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking? If he'd been in the same situation in London or anywhere else in England for that matter, at the least he'd have ended up in the hospital after getting assaulted.
I'm saying that in London, it's far less likely that he'd be faced with druggie thugs with Mach 10 - or whatever that gun is in the pic I posted. The sort of guns owned by many of the people on this board simply cannot be bought here, which means there are none to steal. The warm & fuzzy "Church bingo night" sensation was how Lazs described his state of relaxation when he visited London, unarmed, a few years ago. Just curious, but since you are so strongly opposed to gun-ownership for self-defense or any other non-governmental purpose, why did you go to the shooting range with Lasz when you visited the U.S.? I can understand curiousity, but that smacks of hypocrisy. - Shuckins
Because Lazs very kindly invited us, and even offered to accommodate us at his hovel. We couldn't stay because we were due downstate early the next day, but at least we were able to spend a few hours at the gun range. Yes, it was very interesting. I was curious to see how quickly a novice like me would be able to hit the target, and I was curious to find out how those semi auto/1911 guns worked. And... I have never suggested that law abiding Americans should give up their guns - for all the reasons Morpheus said. (I'll come to him in a minute) He's smoking some toodlepip, with a side of cracking cheerio cookies for the cup of bollocks tea.
:lol By defintion, criminals disobey laws; no amount of further law making will change that. - toad
I know. All the more reason to keep them from getting guns like the one in my pic. ^ We've attempted to do that, and have had considerable success, though we have never achieved nirvana. Your country made the decision to allow all citizens to bear arms. I doubt that the guys who dreamed that up ever envisaged the day when a young black male would be in possession of a weapon that could fire about 10 rounds a second. After all, the second amendment was ratified some ~70 years before the thirteenth amendment, the one which abolished slavery, so presumably your black slaves were not considered "citizens", and therefore were originally outside the scope of the second amendment. A roving gang of hooded druggie thuggies armed with machine guns: Is that what your forefathers had in mind when they conceived the notion of "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"?
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Morpheus! "You will never take the guns out of the hands of criminals."
In a utopian society, that's very true, because they'd never get guns in the first place. Thanks for the rest of the post. Permission to get up from the couch now, Doctor. My hour (er, 50 minutes) is up!
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Originally posted by LePaul
Dont worry, Beet. Over here, we take guns away from wife beaters.
I haven't had a wife since 1995.
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oh wait, it was 1996. That last post was just an excuse to air my sig! ;)
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Originally posted by eagl
Ghost,
You're that easily frightened off your land? You'd give up a house that your family had lived in for generations, just because some bad neighbors move in and start acting like the scum that they are? You'd abandon everything because the bad people moved in?
Keep that up and there will be no safe areas anywhere. Good, honest, upright citizens must fight back or the criminal elements will win, every time. The police have no ability to stop this, and they're not even supposed to try. They exist to keep things stable, and if you voluntarily leave your home anytime you don't like your neighbors, then the police really have nothing to do since you've solved the problem by leaving. That's how police and decent citizens abandon entire neighborhoods to the criminals.
If you don't stand up for yourself, nobody will, and you'll be a victim without a place you can call home for the rest of your life.
Agreed, well put, and absolutely correct... however if xmarine takes direct premptive action he's gonna spend the rest of his natural life in a cell with the same unsavory types that forced him to arms and action.
At the very least, I hope someone in the LA area with a similar mindset that lives near xmarine stops by for a few weeks and gives him a hand on night CQ. The mans life is at risk, he needs the help. The man should not have to stand alone.
Time to form up the mean old gents posse, boys. This situation developed on OUR watch, the malaise is of our own making. Time we took responsibilty and action. If we do not fight then we must flee.. and eventually there will no longer exist the means to resist or a place to flee too.
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Man this whole story sucks.
XM - I hope your situation improves for the better and those scum bags are remove for all involved.
One line of action you should take and start now is,
Document every incident and send it to all your legislators in your area, then your governor, Senators and the media. Let them see what impact their head in the sand BS decisions are having. Only then, after you shoot these aholes dead will you have a chance in court. You need to leave a paper trail.
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furball.. I don't want to make it an england vs U.S. gun rights thread either but... beet insists. He is comparing your lilly white socialist country to one that is very diverse. He is also comparing a country that thinks individualism is wrong with one that is based on it... countries that on the one.... worship their government and on the other.... distrust it.
I think that your country has a history of not learning by it's mistakes.. I think that you are as usual... just a few decades behind us... you will not be able to keep out the 3rd world... they are becoming more and more of your world every day. More and more guns are entering your country every day and more and more of your police force is being armed every day...
soon... the police and the bad guys will be armed.... the bad guys will be english in name only... they will spit on your silly traditions and idea of fair play... your liberals will ask you to understand these animals who play by no rules save what works for them at the moment...
and... your law abiding citizens will be the only helpless people on your little island... It's invetable.... you can't keep em out.
You will live to regret disarming your citizens.
I know you don't do it but a few of the lilly white socialists from your little island and kingdom get all self rightious in every gun thread even tho they have no clue at all about our 3rd world criminal class.... some of the 3rd worlders have lived here for generations.... since the country was born... they have gotten worse not better.
keep what I said in mind as more and more of your criminals and cops are armed.
lazs
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The right to bear arms is an American right. beet has no rights, he is jealous of anyone who has rights. vulcan and beet are airheads. If they were on that porch they'd have gotten what they deserved (their azzs whopped).
WTG X! You did good and those of us who have lived in big cities know where you're coming from and support you. You might and probably already have set up some trip wires, tin cans, etc... to alert you to intrusions during the night.
As stupid as the gov't is about scum like this at least we still have the RTBA. I'm a NRA member for a long time. Got a 12ga. and a 9mm that nobody's taking from me.
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Friday night, the eve of my 23rd birthday, friday the 13th amazingly......here is how it happened.
Myself and 2 close friends (both male) walk into my local boozer. its a quiet family pub in a quiet family village.
we approach the bar and one of the regular piss heads is giving me the evil eye.
"alright mate?" i offer, i know this chap, hes always proping up the bar.
"dont alright mate me, who the F*** are you?" he replies.
"er...who the F*** are you, i live here" i respond.
"no need for that attitude you little salamander, you got a problem with me?"
"look at my smile" i reply " i dont have attitude, calm down eh?"
we order our drinks, two guinness and a lager, and sit down and begin to get merry, not giving this 45 year old fool another thought.
an hour later, he approaches our table, grabs me round the throat in my seat, and proclaims...
"you ever cheek me again and i'll break your ***** neck!" spit flying out into my face.
I turn my head towards him, look him right in the eyes and say...
"go on then, break my neck now"
*WHAM*
He punches me in the mouth, splitting my bottom lip against my teeth.
I fly up to my feet, as do my two mates, and this pathetic 'man' makes a run for the door.
"Is that all you got you coward?" i shout after him "you punch like a girl! How about we go outside and you try that again when im standing up?"
he jumps in his car (car park visible from the pub window) quite obviously too drunk to drive, and screeches off, Obviously pleased that he retains his gansta status and doesnt let a mere kid 'cheek' him.
we sit down, laugh about it (we are not strangers to the odd fist fight in bars), I spit the blood from my mouth into the empty pint glass and order another, and the pub returns to the peacefull scene it was a minute before.
Point is, no one has weapons in this situation. All that could happen is someone gets a fist in his face.
had he been armed, he might have been drunk enough to shoot me.
Had i been armed, more drunk, and less of a decent human being i might have shot him in the bellybutton as he ran out.
having guns doesnt make you any safer, it just means that not having a gun in a society where guns are permitted makes you LESS safe. And more importantly, when the watermelon hits the fan, the conscequences are 100 times worse.
If this guy was a big 240lbs man, as you say, then dont piss him off.
just cos you have a gun you are arrogant to his obvious physical advantage, and more likely to cause trouble when simply walking away would have done the trick.
bat.
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well, you made a few mistakes..begining with acknowledging the guy. Second, as soon as he touched you, you should have kicked his arse....no words.
don't know what guns has to do with you being way too timid for your mouth.
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I've read this entire post with some interest. What I have concluded is that an individual American's life and property have been protected by his right to defend himself and his property with a legally aquired firearm.
Others have concluded that it is a sad state of affairs where a citizen of a country has to defend ones' self with a firearm of any kind.
Beet1e quoted a part of the Second Amendment in this statement:
" A roving gang of hooded druggie thuggies armed with machine guns: Is that what your forefathers had in mind when they conceived the notion of "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"? ".
No, Beet1e, I don't think it was. I think it was a pointed message to a pair of "George's"...ie... King George and George Washington... that the American Citizens would not tolerate tyranny at home, nor abroad, and will remain armed against such tyranny. I doubt our American Forefathers forsaw serious drug problems and crime as a reason for allowing its citizenry " to keep and bear arms ". However, the "Right to Bear Arms" legally, has protected many an innocent citizen from being victimized by the kind of thugs to which you allude.
What I find sad is that drug related crime is rampant worldwide; not just in the United States...! In my opinion, the dealing of illegal drugs is just as blatant a death knell as pointing a firearm at someone's head and pulling the trigger. Instead of attacking the Second Ammendment of the American Constitution, shouldn't we all be attacking the weak systems of Law in our respective Nations that allow these kinds of criminals to offend repeatedly, endangering not only our youth, but our futures as Nations free of illegal drugs?
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Originally posted by NUKE
well, you made a few mistakes..begining with acknowledging the guy. Second, as soon as he touched you, you should have kicked his arse....no words.
don't know what guns has to do with you being way too timid for your mouth.
hahaha, you're as deluded as the guy himself then.
dont you see that not reacting makes me the bigger man.
Its my pub, i know him personaly (he was too drunk to remember who i was) and he ran out of the pub before i had a chance to 'kick his arse'
you sir, are the timid one, i expect you would have pulled your .45 out and defused the situation like a 'real man'.
simple fact is, he said he would break my neck, so i told him to do it right there and then. he didnt, i win. and he did hit like a girl. Ive been hit harder by my girlfriend.
and the main pint is that had guns been involved, the problem may have become a funeral instead of a fat lip.
I saw him today in the same spot, and he brought me a pint and appologised. had i 'kicked his arse' then the problem would have only got worse.
just like when X-marine get shot in the back and dies, he will feel stupid for a few seconds as all his blood escapes him.
bah, pathetic. end of discusion.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
hahaha, you're as deluded as the guy himself then.
dont you see that not reacting makes me the bigger man.
you are a fool. He could have really broken your neck, and you just sat there and allowed it to happen... even egged it on by running your mouth. Maybe you could have "I was the bigger man" etched on your tombstone.
The first thing you should have done was ignore the "look". If anyone grabs my throat, I'm taking that as a threat to my health, and possibly my life. I'm not going to try to be sure and come off as the better man, I'm going to protect myself from the obvious assault.
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Originally posted by lazs2
BS beet and vulcan..
beets solution? disarm everyone... the poor and the old and the young just starting out can just move away to safer neighborhoods... simply buy a $750,000 (in kalifornia) home and move into it and take a starting wage job or pay for it on retirement fixed income.... if they can't afford it.... well... not beets problem..
vulcan you are being surprisingly hypocritical... you are having black gang and other minority gang problems in canada and they are barely getting started.... you can't deal with em now... wait till either of your lilly white socialist countries starts feeling the 3rd world boogie.
MT is disapointingly predictable here too... It's ok to torture animals and to threaten people and gang up on while living off the government and selling/doing drugs so long as the bad guys are colored and the good guys are white because..... can a white guy ever really be the "good guy" when there is even one "brother" suffering under such opression?
I don't care... I feel for xmarine... his life just took a turn for the worst because he refused to be a doormat.... still... he isn't dead or mutilated and that is because of his right to keep and bear arms. How would he have been any safer vulcan if 3 of the monsters had not been able to get guns and he couldn't either?
Would he have been better off if he had to fight 3-10 gang members with his bare hands agains their bare hands? Like that truck driver in the LA riots?
I have been in jail and disarmed and I hate to say it but against four big colored guys I really didn't do that good... lost two teeth as a matter of fact... coulda been lots worse.
The real point is tho that xmarine will just be part of that American statistic the FBI keeps where 1.5-3 million Americans a year use a firearm to prevent a crime from happening.
The people who tortured the cat would torture any of us with just as much glee... they deserve to be imprisoned for life or killed or crippled... they are not really human at this point.... probly will never make it to human.
If I lived near you xmarine I would volunteer to help you watch your place... If more of us did we could take back our neighborhoods from these scum...
The "gangsters" around here are smaller in number and more easily intimidated.. I really feel for you.
lazs
I hear ya Laz..........
a friend of mine had a drive by at his house. Me and another guy went to his place right away. We were all armed and waiting. The shooters never returned.
Probably just as well, for US that is. This occured in Kalifornicatcia. The state where I was born. We probably would have gone to prison had we actually done anything. Or found ourselves facing the same situation as JT's faced in his post.
I LEFT there because of such. Moved to Nevada like JT's. We KNEW the way to deal with such people once. Seems like we knew the way for well over 1,000 years! But I'm thinkin somewhere along in our recent past we lost it? Thinkin we need more laws like they're now creating in FL.......................
"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato
"The generality of men are naturally apt to be swayed by fear rather than reverence, and to refrain from evil rather because of the punishment that it brings than because of its own foulness." - Aristotle (384-322 bc) Greek philosopher
"The defense of one's self, justly called the primary law of nature, is not, nor can it be abrogated by any regulation of municipal law." - James Wilson, The Works of James Wilson, 1896
"I think that the sacredness of human life is a purely municipal ideal of no validity outside the jurisdiction. I believe that force, mitigated as far as may be by good manners, is the ultimate ratio, and between two groups of men
that want to make inconsistent kinds of world I see no remedy except force . . . It seems to me that every society rests on the death of men." - Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes (1841-1935), American jurist
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Originally posted by Morpheus
You will never take the guns out of the hands of criminals.
While I agree with this statement I disagree with the rest of your post. You chose the right to bear arms. We chose the right to live without fearing for lives on a daily basis.
Thats the big difference.
I can own a firearm if I want too, I just need to prove I can safely operate and store it, and that I'm not a criminal or nutjob.
Just as beetle can't get the idea that the criminals in the US can't be disarmed, you don't get that it is possible for other places to live comfortably without being armed to the teeth.
For every criticism of beetle, you should take a look in the mirror because you are his extreme opposite.
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Now I see the point of getting rid of guns for everyone, because if guns are illegal nobody good or bad would have them:lol , I also propose going
after eastwood, rawlings, louisville slugger making bats illegal, that way the people who couldn't get a gun won't have a secondary weapon.
Ahhh wait then we would have to ban all sharp objects, hard objects,
Glass, Vehicles, chemicals, and so on.
solution; remove the opposing thumbs of human animals and keep all the other stuff.
XM keep up the fight for your rights, but watch your back
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Originally posted by Vulcan
While I agree with this statement I disagree with the rest of your post. You chose the right to bear arms. We chose the right to live without fearing for lives on a daily basis.
Thats the big difference.
I can own a firearm if I want too, I just need to prove I can safely operate and store it, and that I'm not a criminal or nutjob.
Just as beetle can't get the idea that the criminals in the US can't be disarmed, you don't get that it is possible for other places to live comfortably without being armed to the teeth.
For every criticism of beetle, you should take a look in the mirror because you are his extreme opposite.
Actually I think there is NO difference. Location and the current attitude of those living their perhaps, but I'm inclined to think such things can change very rapidly under difficult circumstances.
I further put forward...........did Carthage choose?
Sorry I have to disagree with the premise being put forward here.
Anyone can be armed and can so so with simple everyday household items. Nearly anything can become a weapon.
"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that did not. And each meekly inherit only an earthin plot............"
Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est. (A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands_ -- Lucius Seneca "The Younger" (ca 4BC - AD65)
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favour of
vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
W. R. Inge (1860-1954)
Dean of St. Paul's, London
"One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that
the evils of this world can be cured by legislation."
Thomas B. Reed (1839-1902)
American lawyer, politician
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human
freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of
slaves." William Pitt English politician, prime minister.
"Whenever we take away the liberties of those whom we hate we
are opening the way to loss of liberty for those we love."
Wendell L. Willkie (1892-1944)
Ameican lawyer, businessman, politician
Lookin at myself, perhaps with your eyes? I still have to reply I know what I know because I've seen with my eyes what I've seen. Reality is a terrible thing far more often then many even care, or perhaps dare is a better word, to contemplate.
A couple of 250 pound prison buff attackers with cricket bats vs ????? with a fire place poker?
I'm bettin on the attackers................
"He was one of those men who think that the world can be saved
by writing a pamphlet."
Benjamin Disraeli (1804-1881)
English prime minister
"The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free
to do then in what we are free not to do." Eric Hoffer
American philosopher.
"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking
others to live as one wishes to live." Oscar Wilde Anglo-
Irish author.
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I like guns and if you come into my house, you look at me and i'll blow you a new a**hole. In Colorado we have the "make my day law", some guy comes into your house you have the legal right to splatter that perps brains flat against the wall. If he's turning to run you can't do anything though:( I'd still like to be able to shoot their legs.
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Vulcan...
You are wrong in so many ways. I'm hesitant to even reply to you. Why? Well, part of me thinks that explaining our way of life to someone who lives in an entirely different world is without purpose. The other part of me just feels bad for you.
Why?
Well, for several reasons.
One...
We chose the right to live without fearing for lives on a daily basis.
You do not have the freedom to chose. The choice has been made for you by your government.
without fearing for lives on a daily basis
I have to ask, how do you know what we, I, fear on a daily basis? In all honesty, I fear getting side swipped by a drunk driver more so than I do someone coming up to me with a gun, robbing/killing me. Ignorance is not only bliss, its a way of life for some of you I guess.
I have the choice to own and carry a gun, as a US citizen. I have the right to keep one under my bed, under my pillow, under the seat of my car. Under my belt if I want to. That is my choice. Ones you do not have.
Its very sad that people like you think taking guns out of the hands of the innocent/honest will help protect them. This is something I will never understand. Not even partly...
you don't get that it is possible for other places to live comfortably without being armed to the teeth.
I do get it. Its called relying on the government and civil servants to protect you at all times. Its called surrendering your human rights to those who decide what sort of rights you can and cannot have. I have read in a few history books that this sort of thing has a nasty way of turning around and kicking you in the ass.
You people on that rock are armed to the teeth... In all the wrong ways. What?.. The criminals don't use guns over there? If you believe that its no wonder you people think I need to cary an Ak47 when I go grocery shopping.
I can own a firearm if I want too, I just need to prove I can safely operate and store it, and that I'm not a criminal or nutjob.
No you cannot own a firearm if you want too. You pay to shoot one. Then you pay another guy to let you use his locker to lock "your" English side by side shotgun up. Then you pay your government to tell you; "you can shoot this firearm when we say so, and you can even say its "yours", but we reserve the right to take it away when we see fit".
I, on the other hand can own hundreds of firearms, of any kind, the limit is set only by the all mighty dollar in my pocket, and keep them in my house, shoot them when I see fit, and as long as I don't kill anyone and abide by the laws, can do whatever I want with them. I can load up 10-20+ guns in my car, drive to my fathers range, go shooting, go hunting, pack up and go home.
Again just for hahas'.
I can own a firearm if I want too, I just need to prove I can safely operate and store it, and that I'm not a criminal or nutjob
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Yaknow the saddest thing I take away from that statement? The criminals, the ones who can shoot you in the head, pull your body out of your car and drive off with your wife, doesn't need to prove squat. Kinda makes you mad dont it? The criminals have more freedom than you!
For every criticism of beetle, you should take a look in the mirror because you are his extreme opposite.
Golly-gee right. You couldn't pay me to live under the restrictions you face day in and day out. I wake up every day, and [d]do look in the mirror[/b]. And I thank god, and all those who gave up their lives for me, so I could enjoy mine any way I see fit.
Trying to change my views on gun control would be like trying to explain morals to a prostitute. Guns are how my family makes a living. I will own them and support owning them until the day I die. If they try to take them away? Sure, they can try, but as the saying goes... From my cold-dead-hands.
Remember, you dont just live half way around the world... You live in an entirely different world.
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I live in the US, and don't live with any worries of being shot in my daily life. And coincidentally I don't live in one of the most populous urban areas in the country. Also, I don't care how England legislates firearms, nor do I care how the average Brit feels about US firearm legislation. Frankly, I don't know why anyone here from the US even cares to respond to the know-it-alls from across the pond who actually know little to nothing of the daily life of the average American.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Adding to my already bad day, the LA Kings are down 5-1 in the 1st period.
x0847Marine,
I'm glad your safe and I apologize for having fun at your expense.
I'm a Sabre fan. We had a good game and your team didn't start off on the right skate.
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Originally posted by NUKE
you are a fool. He could have really broken your neck, and you just sat there and allowed it to happen... even egged it on by running your mouth. Maybe you could have "I was the bigger man" etched on your tombstone.
The first thing you should have done was ignore the "look". If anyone grabs my throat, I'm taking that as a threat to my health, and possibly my life. I'm not going to try to be sure and come off as the better man, I'm going to protect myself from the obvious assault.
ignore the look? i needed him to move so i could buy my drink. he was in my way, and asking for trouble. if you kow me from thses boards you find out that i enjoy it when people attack me. i enjoy making them look stupid.
the big difference between your life and mine is that thse fools are all mouth, and serious damage is not a likely hood for me, whereas for you someone could whip out a gun and kill you in 2 seconds.
hey, if he had broken my neck (i broke it myself when i was 16, it hurts) then yeah, you could etch 'the better man' on my tombstone.
we must agree to disagree.
with one hand on my throat a fat balding middle aged alcoholic cant break my neck.
had he moved the other hand to a threatning possition i might have stopped him.
saw the punch coming, took it in the mouth, laughed at him after.
he wanted to threaten me, i wouldnt let him.
i see your point, i really do, but you dont live in the UK, your society maybe things are more serious. people here dont just kill folk, specially not in a quiet family pub.
the end result is he bought me a pint and everyone who saw the incedent came away respecting me, not the fool who thought he was proving how much respect he deserved.
my appologiers for attacking you in my reply, i just strongly disagree.
I've been walking the streets at 4am, had crack heads tell me they are going to stab me, waving the knife in my face, if i dont give them my money. I tell them to go ahead and offer them my throat. they never do it. and having lightning reflexes i would avoid the thrust should it come.
this guy just wanted to hit me, so be it. I knew him, i knew he was all mouth. a risk maybe, but one that i took and didnt suffer from.
would you consider that X-marine's actions are more, or less foolhardy than mine? he is starting a war with someone who doesnt care if they go to prison, and probably has nothing to lose anyhow.
now.....had guns been an issue in my scenario, i would have reacted instantly and without bravado. a knife or a drunk idiot are easy to fight off, a gun, near impossible.
i calculated the risk he posed to me, and came out on top.
bat
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Beetle, I think you forget that we dont live on (in comparison of size, in every aspect) a small island. Everything here is bigger, everything... so to compare the US with you (as you always love to do) people really doesnt say much. Its alot easier to walk by and knock down an ant hill than it is to knock down mount Everest.
I think the issue of the size of the country is irrelevant. Australia is akin to Britain in many ways - they call petrol petrol, not gasoline, they call lifts lifts, not elevators... many Australians are descended from the British. :o And... Australia is about the same size (95%+) as the continental USA/lower 48, and... AFAIK there is no "gun culture" there. Indeed, in many gun threads we have sc-sp00k weigh in on the anti-gun side.
I don't buy this crap about guns creating "more freedom". What about in the years before guns were invented - are you saying that no-one was free? Bollocks. Some countries like this one drew the lines on the map before guns were invented. But I can see your point of view, coming from a country with a whole 230 years of history. :lol I have to ask, how do you know what we, I, fear on a daily basis?
Read the thread title and the original post.Golly-gee right. You couldn't pay me to live under the restrictions you face day in and day out.
That's your choice, but I think there's far more at stake than the single issue of guns. The USA is not the only "civilised" country where citizens have the right to own guns. South Africa is another, and has a homicide rate to match yours. The crime there in the post apartheid years has got out of control, so guess what? Many, many white South Africans are giving up their gun rights and seeking refuge in Britain. They are coming over here in droves. But that's OK - they integrate well and work hard. Sorry to spoil your troll with the facts.Just as beetle can't get the idea that the criminals in the US can't be disarmed
No Vulcan - I know it's too late. The second amendment guaranteed the right of citizens to bear arms. The people who created it never thought that the day would come when the very people they held in contempt and who had no rights - black slaves - would themselves become citizens. The US has made its bed, and now it must lie in it. For this reason, I have never suggested that law abiding Americans should give up their guns, and I challenge you to find a post on this board where I did.
Batfink - was that pub in Lane End?
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LOL beet! you mean the brickmaker's arms??
nope, it was the George and Dragon in my village, west wycombe.
its a hotel/pub, old fashioned and quaint.
the kind of place American tourist almost cream themselves over when they see that it was built before America was invented.
stupid, stupid scenario for me to get into, but highly satisfying to let him hit me in the face then laugh at him.
edit: you really should start flying again man, the new CT is exactly what you wished the MA could be. honestly, its fantastic amounts of fun and good respectfull fights.
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Well, there is always the qestion of a gun or not, and a handgun or not.
I don't have gangsters next door, but if I did, I could expect them to have guns, - but not handguns.
Nothing to hide, so I feel fine with my sniper rifle and shotgun behind the door, hehe.
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I saw him today in the same spot, and he brought me a pint and appologised. had i 'kicked his arse' then the problem would have only got worse.
You're dealing with fluff'n idiots, that's your problem.
The way I see it, people get what they deserve.
The riots in France, earlier? They had it coming for a long while.. has anything been done? They'll doubly deserve whatever happens next.
American civil liberties eroding? You deserve it.
Middle-easterners in the ****pot they're in? They deserve it too, proxy or not.
Two people in a hotel, feuding? Who else but themselves act it out? Is it the inanimate bottle of wine's fault? Is it and its outcome the fault of the woman's feeble skeleton?
Whether from one extremity, such as fundamental education, natural resources and geography, etc, or another, such as politics, social or economic choices, everything has to fit together.
It's called civility, mutual consent to live justly and on a fair basis, that means no tolerance for corruption or any injustice, etc. I could go on but I want to stay brief.. it's really not that hard to accomplish.
If you start with and stay faithful (in the loyal sense) to a basic principle of Good, things can only end for the best. Whether because you believe in a religiously guided Good or rationaly guided one.
Veer off it even a little, and there's no escaping causality.
p.s. I think the biggest missing piece in the US's puzzle is a more thorough education, earlier.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Dont worry, Beet. Over here, we take guns away from wife beaters.
Wow...is that the best you can do? Beet1e 2 LePaul & Pooh21 0.
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Well he does have a point. Someone in that position is nothing short of cowardly. Having a gun in the other hand would've emphasised it, see, because he wouldn't have used it, yet he did feel it right to break that woman's arm.
It's ok to harm someone out of malice if it's only a little?
They probably deserved each other, but now I'm speculating.
Back on topic, someone living near xM's taking the time to help him out would be the right thing to do.
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im lost moot, are you replying to me? my story was simply to state that had guns been alowed in that pub i might have been shot, or i might have shot the bastige as he ran away.
i dont knwo what this woman beating thing is about.
i wasnt asking for advice about my friday nite, i was stating that not having guns made it a fat lip not a funeral.
the way i see it is that he wanted to put his power over me.
in the UK i know for a fact he wont have a gun.
simply to suck up his weak punch and laugh at him made him turn and run from me.
its not about dealing with idiots being sensible or not, its about having the freedom to deal with idiots without fear of being killed for standing up for yourself.
imagine a man blocking the only door from a building, just because he is an idiot doesnt mean you dont need to go past him.
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Read the thread title and the original post.
That is by far, not the way of life here beetle.There is a reason, minorities are called minorities.
What about in the years before guns were invented - are you saying that no-one was free?
Why do you think we have our freedom? Why do you think we were able to write the Bill of Rights? Because a farmer picked up his musket and kicked you people out.
many Australians are descended from the British. And... Australia is about the same size (95%+) as the continental USA/lower 48, and... AFAIK there is no "gun culture" there.
lol!!! my god, I really want to beleive you're trolling here. Honestly I do. Many Australians are descended from the British because you took what Natives, that weren't used for building railroads there, and ran them off cliffs (At gun point).
That's your choice, but I think there's far more at stake than the single issue of guns. The USA is not the only "civilised" country where citizens have the right to own guns. South Africa is another, and has a homicide rate to match yours. The crime there in the post apartheid years has got out of control, so guess what? Many, many white South Africans are giving up their gun rights and seeking refuge in Britain. They are coming over here in droves. But that's OK - they integrate well and work hard. Sorry to spoil your troll with the facts
Troll? Why do you say that? Because I disagree with how you compare my mountian to your ant hill? I owe my freedom, the life I have today to those who gave up theirs while picking up a gun and running you people out. I think this is where all the negativity comes from with you people. You're still sore about what getting your arses kicked by a bunch of farmers.
South Africa Vs the United States is a very ignorant and weightless comparison at best. Apples to Oranges. You're going to have to do better than that.
Do you think you're safer because in 1997 your "Government" forced your people to hand over around 170,000 firearms? LOL. I'm sure there were alot of hardened criminals turning in their guns the day those bills were passed. Disarm the honest and inocent, while the criminals celebrate how easy its going to be to hold you, your women and children at gun point while they rape and rob them.
The people who created it never thought that the day would come when the very people they held in contempt and who had no rights - black slaves - would themselves become citizens.
Pot calling the kettle black again I see. The only difference is you ensalved thousands to mine for diamonds, gold, silver, and build railroads.... On a different rock.
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im lost moot, are you replying to me? my story was simply to state that had guns been alowed in that pub i might have been shot, or i might have shot the bastige as he ran away.
You missed the point entirely. Whether or not guns are allowed in that bar is irrelevant to whether or not either of you were carrying.
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batfink.... I have no idea of what the point of your story is unless you think that every fight in America that is simply a fair fight ends in gunplay..
You have no idea. In fact... allmost all fair fights in America end much as you have described... I would feel no need to shoot a drunk at a local resteraunt.
And... You claim to be one of the toughest men on the planet with superhero reflexes... that may be true.
So where the hell were you when your muslim gangs were gang beating and gang rapeing your fellos citizens and women?
Huh tough guy? How do you think you would fare in a ghetto here? Tell em "go ahead"??? What makes you think that they would even understand what you said? What makes you think that they weren't allready planning to "go ahead".
It allways cracks me up when some young strong guy who is too dumb to realize that he could go down in a heartbeat himself.... thinks that everyone else will play by his rules for one.... and for another.... thinks that his options are the same as the weak... the infirm.. the old and the female.
You aren't protecting em... your criminals are running wild on your weak and you aren't doing anything but getting blotto lying around in some bar while it is happening.
You wouldn't last 2 minutes here in the situation xmarine finds himself... Hopefully you would figure that out and move away to some place in America (and there are plenty) where they have lilly white bars for you to hang out in and the most threatening thing will be some guy even more drunk than you are.... until you get older or infirm of course... then you can just pray no one hurts you I guess.
This may sound harsh but.... xmarines situation isn't some pub playtime for swaggering aussie bully boys... It's the real deal with gangbangers who often have killing a white guy as part of their initiation (they would love you to offer your sunburned neck)...
You simply have nothing of any importance to add here. You don't know anything about it here and it would appear... that you can't see past the strength of your own arm there... It would appear that you only care about swaggering in a bar and don't give a whit about your fellow aussies who have to deal with life in a more realistic manner.
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Hmmm.
XMarine hasn't posted in a while. You out there and okay sir???
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Beetle, I think you forget that we dont live on (in comparison of size, in every aspect) a small island. Everything here is bigger, everything... so to compare the US with you (as you always love to do) people really doesnt say much. Its alot easier to walk by and knock down an ant hill than it is to knock down mount Everest.
...none of which has anything to do with the thread title or the topic being discussed. That is by far, not the way of life here beetle.There is a reason, minorities are called minorities.
I know. I lived in the US for three years. I never felt threatened, but avoided areas like Cabrini Green when I was working in Chicago. In Britain it's the same - most of the country is a CBNZ™ (church bingo night zone) but there are pockets of trouble, particularly in areas of London where wealthy professionals live but there is also a poor black area not far away. There have been several murders committed by non-white thugs recently, mostly stabbings. Why do you think we have our freedom? Why do you think we were able to write the Bill of Rights? Because a farmer picked up his musket and kicked you people out.
Britain was engaged in an armed conflict to preserve its freedom much more recently than that. Germany came very close to defeating the RAF and invading Britain. Guns were used to keep them out. It was a success... but we didn't then say "hey, guns are really great - let's arm everyone - including all our criminals!" Many Australians are descended from the British because you took what Natives, that weren't used for building railroads there, and ran them off cliffs (At gun point).
Look up "Transportation". I do believe the origin of the word "pommy" to mean "limey" comes from the acronym POME - prisoner of mother England. Now we're all poms - LOL - I'm not offended by it. South Africa Vs the United States is a very ignorant and weightless comparison at best. Apples to Oranges. You're going to have to do better than that.
The point I'm trying to make is that given the choice between owning guns in South Africa or living in Britain under what you somewhat disdainfully refer to as "all the restrictions", many thousands of South Africans have chosen the latter. In other words to their minds, gun ownership does not = freedom. One of my favourite cafés is staffed almost entirely by South Africans - I bet Batfink knows it - Fegos in Marlow? Do you think you're safer because in 1997 your "Government" forced your people to hand over around 170,000 firearms? LOL. I'm sure there were alot of hardened criminals turning in their guns the day those bills were passed. Disarm the honest and inocent, while the criminals celebrate how easy its going to be to hold you, your women and children at gun point while they rape and rob them.
No. Guns were strictly controlled anyway before 1997, and ownership was sod all. The 1997 law made bugger all difference for that reason, which is why I don't think of it as a ban.
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For everyone of you BLIMEING LIMEYS preaching from your hobby horse at the play ground with your cup of tea.........................
I'ld bet anything, you put them(crazy tea toddler) in X's house for a month.......and they would get a gun and change they're opionion.
X's didnt choose to move there, it can to him! any man, that is a man would do as he is doing and standing up to protech himself, home and loved ones.
Here its the right to ba able to protect you and your belongings.
they gun laws dont stop bad people from getting guns!
Do drug laws stop drug dealers selling there dope?
(my one "IN" comment, now im out and done)
Xmarine - stay safe my friend.