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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Vulcan on July 25, 2001, 06:48:00 PM
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Anybody checked out the customer reviews at www.ebgames.com (http://www.ebgames.com) on WWIIONLINE?
Its the funniest toejam I've ever seen. It looks like CRS have someone posting reviews with headlines (attached to five star ratings) like this:
"FORGET WHAT THEY SAY!"
"ONLINE COMBAT AT IT'S FINEST WW2 STYLE"
"AMAZING GAME"
"GREAT GAME NOW"
"A++"
If you've got a spare few minutes at work, its worth the laugh (equally as funny are the easily spotted "real" reviews, the 1-2 star jobbies like "I'd rather light my nuts on fire" and "ever heard of beta testing?")
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"I WOULD RATHER LIGHT MY NUTS ON FIRE THAN PLAY THIS"
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A
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LOL even funnier is the guys who say they are addicted. This must be the same impulse that causes people to become addicted to inhaling spray paint
or causes one to post thousands of times on a bbs for a game one hardly plays
DOH!
[ 07-25-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Well, Since I consider AH a waste of good coding, and have a blast in WW2OL, I guess it is all a matter of taste, eh?
It works well for me, and since I didn't tattoo the hype on my ass, I can live with what is there not what is promised.
If you are having problems with the game, I can understand your frustration, but it works for me, and it is a kick in the ass.
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Which review was yours?
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http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum7/HTML/001835.html (http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum7/HTML/001835.html) is my review.
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I'm not having problems with the game and I'm not frustrated - I deleted that POS near the end of beta. If people like the game, cool, have fun. I just thought some of the reviews on that website were amusing, because they were either deceptively positive or hilariously angry.
[ 07-25-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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That surprises me Funked, is it because of the air part, the hype or what? What is there seems to work well and simulate combat pretty good. What exactly cause's it to be a POS in your opinion?
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Anyone else notice that virtually none of the good reviews have a name attached? Could it be the boys at CRS are throwing in the good reviews? hmmm, I wonder.
Dago
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I will say this: Had I not been exposed to the typical cycle of online games, I would probably have been cursing CRS with the best of them. With this knowledge, however, I am willing to give them the time(and money) to get it working for the masses.
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I'll send you an email.
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wscarborough1@austin.rr.com
(Dunno if it shows or not in my profile)
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Sorry gadfly, but weren't you the one trying to tell us that the CTDs were purely user configuration problems?
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I still think they are, in fact, I know that they are. There are many without them, ergo, the ones with them have a problem on their end. The server has no preference, and if it was random, we would all suffer them more or less equally.
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the new patch v120 is great. True, the flight FM is laughable (although I like their engine power loss when at negative G's and the cockpit "feel"), its quite fun in the ground aspect.
Last patch gave infantry some anti-armor capacity. I had a BLAST using my french rifleman to blow a track, wait for the turret to swivel in my direction (standing point blank range from tank) and popping a few rounds into the open hatch of the driver and the gunner. And even better when the commander rears his head to see WTF is happening.. POP! :D :D :D
Some issues with the game yes, but its very fun to play. I even saw some army and ex-army in RL guys form up tanks and infantry and assault a town...was quite a sight!
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Actually, it is not user configuration PROBLEMS, it is user configuration, PERIOD.
In today's environment of computer use, I know that it is hersey to say this, but the bottom line is that it is the users responsability to get the software to work on their unique operating hardware/software system.
It is in the coders interest to make the program as simple as possible, but the ultimate job of getting the software to perform on your computer is up to you.
This used to be a given.
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[ 07-25-2001: Message edited by: Gadfly ]
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I'm sorry, but you've got it completely bass-ackwards there Liz. As computers just continue to get more and more mainstream, it's falls even more to the developers of the software to make it work. People who buy computers because they like to tinker with them, adjust their settings, and spend hours getting their joystick files right and their system optimized are in the vast minority. Most people today buy computers because they like what they do, not how they do it. They want to play games, or cruise the internet, or any number of things not related to actually knowing or caring how anything on the system works.
Any developer, including the rats, who want to mass market their software should be doing their damnest to make it work on as many systems as possible. If there are CTDs because the software doesn't work with certain system configurations, then it is the software's fault, period. With the notable exception, of course, if the system it's running on is unstable (NOT unoptimized or untweaked). That said, I kind of doubt the rats would agree with you and would bet that they're doing their best to make it compatible with more configurations. If not because it's their responsibility, then because of the tech support phone calls that they could avoid.
In any case, I hope the do well, and I look forward to giving it a try when I have more time on my hands.
SOB
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One word, "console"
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So what your saying is CRS announcing their own servers have TCP/IP stack problems is complete BS and the real issue is the client machines?
Originally posted by Gadfly:
I still think they are, in fact, I know that they are. There are many without them, ergo, the ones with them have a problem on their end. The server has no preference, and if it was random, we would all suffer them more or less equally.
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No, I'm saying that there is something on some systems that causes the sever to puke(in this instance), but not all.
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By user "Configuration" Glad, you mean the last time you posted you system specs you had a whopping 512meg, now you have in just a few short weeks later 768?! :eek:
CRS has you configuring that puppy alright.
WWIIOL has huge potential, it's 12+ months away from being there. As it stands now, it's hideous.
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Yep, and I paid a whopping 32$ for that memory. I also bought a new video card. So what? If you will notice I put a date in the lower right corner. That is because I constantly upgrade and reconfigure my systems.
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So what? SO WHAT?
Hello?
Didn't you say "In today's environment of computer use, I know that it is hersey to say this, but the bottom line is that it is the users responsability to get the software to work on their unique operating hardware/software system.
It is in the coders interest to make the program as simple as possible, but the ultimate job of getting the software to perform on your computer is up to you.
?!!!!!
You think someone with say a 600mhz machine and 256ram is unique? Good God, that's is absurd.
What is unique, is guys like you that will upgrade to 768 meg of ram, and a 64meg GeForce because the quote "ultimate job of getting the software to perform on your computer is up to you."
Hey, if you dig the game and are willing to try and buy "Deep Blue" on Ebay to get it run, that's fine. But don't try and argue in thia forum that it's 99% of the users fault CRS can't program the game to run on their computers.
Oh man...
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I'd agree with Gadfly about users having to configure the systems to get the software working...
IF THE SOFTWARE WAS STABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE! Which it isn't.
You know another game that CTD'd a lot? It was also released half-assed. It was assumed CTDs were the user's end because it wasn't "reproducible"... B17-II. 2 patches later, numerous tweak programs and hours of reconfiguring my PC... it still blows goats.
In today's market software needs to be written for a wide margin of PCs. How many people do you know have identical hardware and software in their PC? Probably 2 people for every 300 you meet.
WWIIOl is written for the PC first, it should be able to perform on a wide variety of systems without crapping out. If it doesn't, it tells me a lot of things: and none of those things are good.
-SW
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Well, as alittle test, when in beta the last week, I loaded it onto 3 of my boxes.
All machines had latest drivers for sound, vid, OS, Bios, etc etc.
P233,Win 98,128meg Ram VOODOO 3 16 meg card:
CTD's
P450,Win ME, 384 meg ram, TNT2 32 meg card:
CTD's
P800EB, Win 98, 512k ram, GeForce 2 Pro 32 meg card:
CTD's.
All these machines are stripped of everything for maximum efficiency for co-processing.
Convinced me that this software was not ready for primetime.
no, haven't tried anything since that release.
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lol Gadfly. Too funny.
I'm sorry, mate, you're making excuses either for the shodiness of their product or their ineptness at creating said product.
I'm just not sure of the exact proportions of the two.
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I like it for what it is and I'm willing to give them the same chance I gave AH and WB.
I think some people are expecting to much.
Have fun with what they have and try not to be bitter with what they don't have.
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this "customer review" *g* on ebgames is useless, like this WW2ol discussion here on the AH board *g* ;) there will be allways 2 different perspectives, no matter what people enjoy it or not. So what, life goes on.
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Personally, I think it rates as "Has Potential when they work the bugs out, not ready for prime time (Meaning only a cross section of computers can handle it).
I do remember some probs with AH when in open beta, but not nearly the probs I personally encountered with WW2 Online. The diff is, HTC had Severity 1 probs fixed within a couple days in beta, not so with CRS.
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PC GAMER rated it 50%.
That's not too bad.
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Actually, that's about what Beachhead 2000 got on PC GAMER, but I played that laughing for at leat 10 hours.
More than I did WWIIOL.
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You guys should change to Finnish language OS because I've been playing that game a lot since I got the copy (month ago?) and in that time I got maybe two or three CTHLs and CTDs.
That makes me wonder why my comp works like a dream (Could use more FPS thought) when some others suffers from those "bugs".
I've been playing that game in WinME and W2K in same computer using Nokia M1122 ADSL Hub/Modem with 512/256kb line.
As I said no problemo here :)
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Actually, PC GAMER did mention it got a 94% if you had a FINNISH system.
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Originally posted by Staga:
You guys should change to Finnish language OS because I've been playing that game a lot since I got the copy (month ago?) and in that time I got maybe two or three CTHLs and CTDs.
Maybe because it's a FINNISHED OS!
AHAHAHAHAHA I crack myself up.
Okay that was a lame play on words. ;)
-SW
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I remember buying many games for DOS that I never could get to run, period. Did I sue or write them nasty letters? No, I either took them back, or put them on the shelve to gather dust.
I don't know why some have problems and some don't, but the fact remains that thousands run it and have fun, and thousands more don't.
I'm lucky enough to be one that can run it, sorry ya'll can't.
Creamy, if you think my system is a flamethrower, you are sadly mistaken.
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I remember DOS games too. Problem was they worked, and they came with a neat little instruction set in the back to create a boot disk so they WOULD work. If THAT didn't work, you called up tech support.. lo and behold tech support back then actually used that lump 3 feet above their bellybutton and got you on your way.
Ahhh DOS.... I remember using a CompuServe shell dial up to log into CK v.91 for my first time on a 486DX4/100 with 16MB of RAM.
Boot disks, DOS, command line, prompts... Man we've come a long way (well.. sorta)...
-SW
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No intention to join the debate - I'll just say I got it, I play and enjoy it, and I don't feel ripped off. Its been mostly problem free and I don't have a top end machine. True it is still very rough and has lots of problems to solve, and probably was released too soon, but I enjoy playing it about as much as I do AH. AH is a FAR more polished piece of work, but as a game experience I find them pretty similar.
- Yoj
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Ahhh DOS.... I remember using a CompuServe shell dial up to log into CK v.91 for my first time on a 486DX4/100 with 16MB of RAM.
Boot disks, DOS, command line, prompts... Man we've come a long way (well.. sorta)...
-SW
Ah you young folks :) I remember the first time I booted a machine - it was with an 8 inch floppy on a Cyber 18. The software resided on 40 MB hard disk units the size of a dishwasher. Wrote programs for it in Assembly language on punch cards. The most amazing thing to come along was a friend's Radio Shack CoCo actually loading off a portable tape recorder!
Funny thing is, it was more of a pain to do anything with a computer back then, but you had complete control. Now that its easier, they damn things are always trying to "help you out" and generally screwing you around.
Thanks Uncle Bill!
- Yoj
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Gladflea, Im not saying your system is a flamethrower, but it sure isn't the norm, nor what anyone should use as a reason to be miffed why the rest of the world can't get WWIIOL to run well.
In fact my system, spec wise, is better than yours, minus the wacky graphic you display every chance you get.
I call it a "beast". It is. It almost gets AH at 80-90fps at 1600X1200, and for everything else ever produced, EXCEPT WWIIOL, it's just plain overkill. Hell, my second computer LAN'd in for people to play on does everything BUT WWIIOL well.
Make excuses, or at this point sparse comments that don't backup the facts, it don't matter.
WWIIOL stinks. Im not telling them, cuz i don't care too much. What your driving force is, I don't know.
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My only goal is to counter the fellows that say it doesn't work. You see, it does, though it may not for you.
I do not discuss AH because I don't play it, you should do the same.
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Originally posted by Gadfly:
I do not discuss AH because I don't play it, you should do the same.
Thats roadkill, you discuss, and slam AH every opportunity you get, you want me to pull the threads up?
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toejam Rip, you don't have to go very far to find that stuff.
Look up at his first post:
"Well, Since I consider AH a waste of good coding, and have a blast in WW2OL, I guess it is all a matter of taste, eh?"
-SW
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I rest my case :)
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Neg Glad, I play them both, and WWIIOL works for me in a computer power driven sense. At 18fps average mind you, but it is playable, yes.
Granted I play AH 99.9% of the time in comparison, only because I go back to WWIIOL once ever day or two to try and find out what you guys that make those outrageous claims are talking about and to have a opinion based on gameplay and fact, not hearsay or bias.
It’s a mess, and ironically it’s getting it run off a bad bellybutton system that confirms it.
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Here is a feature list from EBGames.com
- Combined land, sea and air operations within a single virtual world. Nope
- First person character perspective within all 3 geophysical dimensions. Wha?
- More terrain and ocean than has ever been modeled in a game before. Maybe, but current "war" is limited to a small portion of the map.
- Incredibly accurate and detailed performance of all objects...be they vehicles, planes, ships, weapons or people characters. Incredibly accurate? Isn't that like saying "more perfect"?
- Night operations. Navigate by the stars. Why? The UI has a compass build in.
- Weather that changes the terrain conditions and vehicle performance.Am I the only one that has never seen a weather change?
- Interdependent strategy and supply modeling.Bzzzzt. Visible supply functionality is not in yet.
- Persistent mission based gameplay 24 hours a day.I would hardly call the current gameplay "mission based". In fact, a current workaround to a CTD is to NEVER SPAWN USING A MISSION.
- Totally immersive environment.Dude, like, TOTALLY. I find blue/purple skies totall immersive.
- Wide variety of user configurable communications abilities.Yeah, but you have to use the mouse.
- Achievable rank based hierarchy and command.Bzzzt, not yet.
- Unparalleled 3D sounds including fade, Doppler and direction effects.Am I the only one that can hear the aircraft 5 miles away but can't hear the tank 5 yards away?
- Thousands of players can be online simultaneously.Notice the generalisation? "Online"?
I personally hope The Rats succeed. I just can't believe how many people still praise this product like it is the greatest thing in gaming since DOS 6.22.
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Hehehe, Mickey.
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General R4metzASSt, you are forgiven. Your Supreme Commander has spoken.
Well, Since I consider AH a waste of good coding, and have a blast in WW2OL, I guess it is all a matter of taste, eh?
First off, AH is the best code I’ve ever had the chance to enjoy. Perfect? Of course not, but what can be? It’s getting better, and you can’t argue that.
As for your “matter of taste”.
Your taste for toejamty code, confirmed by not just me, but the uproar from the faithful community in WWIIOL, leads me to believe they are not wrong. Indeed, toejam sandwiches are your delicacy.
It works well for me, and since I didn't tattoo the hype on my ass, I can live with what is there not what is promised.
I’d have to reread my game box, but in retrospect, I can without any fear of repercussion, to say what was promised, is certainly a laugher you tard.
This will end this debate, it’s gotten silly. Certainly you have another 256 RAM chip shipper that will provide the needs of your business.
[ 07-26-2001: Message edited by: Creamo ]
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Gadfly, If the game truely does work on your system as you have said then you must be lucky.
I tried WWIIonline on no less than 10 different pc's with the slowest pc being a Pent 3 733/133
256Sdram PC133
Geforce 32meg DDR (original geforce)
SB Live
The fastest pc I tried it on was a
Dell 8100 Pent 4 1.7ghz
512 RDRAM
Geforce 2 64 Ultra
SB Live and I tried it on a Turtle Beach
After testing on all these machines it was simple to see that it's the code, it's not ready. PERIOD!
The game will be good someday, I honestly feel that day is at least a a year from now.
note: I have not tried WWIIonline in about 3 weeks, I've heard the new patch helps a lot, I'll load it up tonight and give it a try.
Mox
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Read the line carefully-note the use of "good coding". It ain't the coding I don't like, it is the use it is put to.
Search back for the last post I made on the general AH forum, or AGW, and you will see that from the day I cancelled my ($9.99) account, I haven't talked about the games features, bugs, etc.
I reserve the right to talk about it in past tense, as to why I did not like it, and thus quit, but you do not see me slamming the code, just the direction the game has taken.
It is a great game(AH), just not for me.
I am lucky that WW2ol works for me, and while I do not fail to realize it's shortcomings, nor do I dismiss them, I can see what it will become, and give them my support in hope that it will evolve into an actual VB.
Mainly, though, I have a blast in it, RIGHT NOW. What else could anyone ask for from a game?
So, given that I and thousands of others can and do run the game, how can you explain that you can't make it run?
Lizking
ps-Creamy, does it bother you that I have a diagram showing my system, and that instead of repeating the specs, I link it?
You are a sick little boy.
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"..Actually, it is not user configuration PROBLEMS, it is user configuration, PERIOD...".
From your comments, you seem to be suggesting that most of the problems with WWIIOnline are not CRS's fault, but instead the user/PC. You might want to let CRS know, I'm sure it would be huge relief to them. :)
A couple snippets for you from CRS support pages:
"...The status_access_violation is a crash, or CTD.
The other errors are variations of CTHL....
We are fighting with a couple of stubborn CTDs in 120. Some bad indexing methinks. We have some clues though. There is no telling how long a search for a CTD can take, sometimes it’s an hour, sometimes it’s a couple of days...".
You also seem to suggest since WWIIOnline works on your PC and thousands of others, it must be a user/PC problem if it doesn't work. I'm sure a lot of people in the software support industry would like to use that logic. "Sorry sir...it works on my PC, it must be a problem with your PC. Bye Bye".
You don't work in the computer/software industry do you? :)
bowser
[ 07-26-2001: Message edited by: bowser ]
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I think WWII Online should be thankfull that so many people have CTDs. If they didn't.. they'd be playing the game and have even more to complain about.
AKDejaVu
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Yeah, you're right, it is a pc of toejam, I wouldn't play it if I were you.
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Yeah, you're right, it is a pc of toejam, I wouldn't play it if I were you.
That's the first accurate thing you've said in this entire thread.
I bought it.. and I won't play it anymore.. at least not for a long while until some major improvements come along.
Damn I love to watch someone so insistant that they were right about how a game would be, that they are truly blinded to how it actually turned out.
AKDejaVu
[ 07-27-2001: Message edited by: AKDejaVu ]
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the game isnt ready yet.
the ground portion is close. i get good fps on the ground, still sucks in the air. when they get supply working on the ground, and a single persistant server, then the game will be a good land based blitzkrieg sim and worth 10 bucks a month imo.
till then? nope. and the fms, while better in 1.20, are still killed because of stuttering with my 512mb ram. but my game performance in ground combat is nothing to complain about.
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You never saw me say it would be good until I played it, and I guess sarcasm is lost on you, my friend.
It is better than I expected, because I didn't believe the hype.
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Better than you expected, but still missing all of it's key features listed on the box....
Jebus, what the hell did you expect to find in the box? A little note that said "I.O.U"?
-SW
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Well, I have been following it for 2 years, and from what I saw in screenshots and what they (wouldn't) say, plus some little birdies, I didn't really bother reading the box.
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i'm surprised there's this much emotion about it. i sign on now and then and it's not that bad.
in fact i find more furballs these days and the ground action is kinda fun. it is far from perfect but i guess i didnt expect that much.
it matters how much you were involved in the wait i guess. its no big deal just a little diversion :)
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I spawned in as Pz38t at the Haybes Army Base. A soldier was there, and after a short discussion of the plan, he jumped on and we rolled out. The situation was a bunch of enemy tanks, with infantry support, moving up the river road to Haybes from Revin. We had an armored force in the town proper, and 109s waged war with the French and British airmen above us.
He and I took the long way, climbing the hills south of Haybes, heading for the overlook above Revin. Hearing enemy motors, I stoped and killed the engine, while Psycodad jumped off and ran ahead to the crest of the hill.
He spotted the enemy tanks, 3 of them, advancing down the river road, 2 on this side and one on the other. I backed away from the ridgeline and waited for his word that they were past.
I rolled it up to the ridgeline and fired down on them from their 4 o'clk position. The range was farther than I would like, and although I was hitting them, they did not slow down a lot.
The one across the river finally spotted me and began firing; I lost the gunner and the loader before I could reverse the engine and back over the crest. I headed for the barn, fast as possible, and made it about the same time that the Psycodad did(score-2 damaged Chars).
We respawned, me as an HT, he as an 88 to go and finish off the Chars, but I discoed.
So, you tell me, does it work?
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...but I discoed.
A fitting epitaph.
Give it six months - it might be quite good then.
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"..So, you tell me, does it work?..."
Well it works perfectly for you, so there can't possibly be anything wrong with it.
By the way I have a '72 Ford Pinto, runs like a charm, never had any problems with it. Anybody want to buy it? :)
bowser
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Dowd I've sacrificed numerous perkplanes in AH for "God of Disco".
And your point was what ?
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And your point was what ?
Hehehe.. his point was that someone can't even sing the praises of WW2 online without mentioning that they discoed.
Maybe liz just has his system configured wrong? That MUST be the problem.
AKDejaVu
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Gadfly gave his honest opinion; With Roses and Branchs.
As I said I've lost perkplanes because I discoed in AH.
And as far as I can see also Koba has discoed from AH.
I wonder if there's anyone who hasn't ever got "Disco" in internet-game like AH or WWIIOL...
I still can't understand what was the idea behind his post?
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Fun is where you make it. The crap you either deal with or whine about. It is fun for me, maybe not for you.