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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: B@tfinkV on January 15, 2006, 07:49:16 PM
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yup, i know its another 'AvA is great' thread, but it really is worth posting again.
I flew both Axis and Allies for a few sorties each and found nothing but good fights and true blue furballs. there was only one person in the whole arena that night who was HO'ing and vulching but i expect he was rather younger than the average player, and no one cared enough to complain much. I very much enjoyed winging with Stringer, propnut, yeager, juno, and many more. the whole atmosphere is very special at the moment, i hope it continues.
also, a Huge to Oldman for our hurricane fights, really enjoyed the encounters between us, all the time dodging opposing furballers.
fantastic idea, long live AvA!
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
also, a Huge to Oldman for our hurricane fights, really enjoyed the encounters between us, all the time dodging opposing furballers.
It was a great time, Batfink. One of these days I'm even going to shoot you down!
- oldman
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I agree with Batfink a fun time was had by all....its was great winging with you guys. I used t fly CT almost all the time and was there just as it launched but went MA to do some bombing and missions. After being back for a few days I am beginning to remember why I liked it so much before, Its the great group of guys flying, the skill level of the pilots and the lack of CH 200 BS and the fact that you can still get in a 1 on 1 fight. All in all it reminds me of the early beta testing days in AH (1999) when the numbers were low and everyone knew each other and enjoyed being there. My hat is off to all that keep the AvA running and the guys flying that have kept it alive.
PropNut
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Oldman you are too modest, you plastered my P40 withing 3 seconds with a hail of 303s, and in all our fights you ripped my plane to pieces, seemed luck was on my side , or possibly your convergence needs to come in 50 yrds or so.
long live the AvA arena, and long stay away the majority of the MA crowds.
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Wow it takes a name change of an arena too get people too come in?
Same arena,same level of fun,different name.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
Wow it takes a name change of an arena too get people too come in?
Same arena,same level of fun,different name.
sssshhhhhh, What ever works:aok
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Wow, something I have always wanted in AH2 and I'm sitting out the game until I get paid...
I want t come back now!
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Maybe i will re-pay my subscription just for the new CT.Cannot leave out the AWSOME Weds. night snapshots though,i love watching the film on the last snapshot i attended.The Ju-88,110-C Vs. P-40,Hurri-IIc sink the CV on Fin-Rus.
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I'm really glad too see the new faces, and new enthusiasm in this arena. It's really been great fun flying with, and against you guys.:aok
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the intensity is there, evidenced by the numbers of people furballing below 3k and the few kills landed. the dweebery is down to a minimum with only the occassional alt tard dropping in to cherry pick but seldomly making it back up for a second attempt. the flaming on 200 is down considerably. when someone begins to talk smack it is quickly stopped by other players asking both parties to stfu. it is currently an arena quite different from the MA. it is really a furball arena and to a furballer it's exciting/maddening but most of all fun. every time I've been shot down I have had no one to blame but myself. it's a full blown melee and I choose to enter into it. I hope the AvA staff carefully considers the next set ups. there is good momentum. we wouldn't want a wet blanket tossed on it. I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that the next set up be a small map with lots of low weather little ack close fields and early war planes, eto preferably.
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Something that I found very interesting and exciting, is the fact that after 3 days under the New Name, I noted a score of 498 while checking the roster for Squaddies and to do some side leveling if needed.
In 3 days, enough people have come in, flown, fought, and stuck around long enough to earn a score/rank of 498 !! It's hard to recall a score/rank of over 130, when I've been on, since I started playing again in Oct. 05.
Fights have been fun, energetic, and pulse raising. My Situational Awareness has definately gotten a large jolt of wake up juice, lol.
AvA, Long may you prosper and grow.
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CT or AvA has always been great when more than 2 people show up (which is rare for the times I log on). Still, this week it hit the 30 people line and I had great time even though Fin-Rus is not my cup of tea.
Name it "Tom vs. Jerry" if that what brings people over.
Bozon
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Originally posted by bozon
CT or AvA has always been great when more than 2 people show up (which is rare for the times I log on). Still, this week it hit the 30 people line and I had great time even though Fin-Rus is not my cup of tea.
Name it "Tom vs. Jerry" if that what brings people over.
Bozon
pfft jerry is wayyyyy overmodelled
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Originally posted by storch
I hope the AvA staff carefully considers the next set ups. there is good momentum. we wouldn't want a wet blanket tossed on it. I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that the next set up be a small map with lots of low weather little ack close fields and early war planes, eto preferably.
We've been discussing the two-week ETO rolling plane set, which Sable suggested in this thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=168482) (in the last half of that thread).
Sable's RPS list:
Ok, here's the same ETO stuff but in a two week format.
Day 1: June/July/Aug/Sep 1940
Allies
Hurricane Mk I
Spitfire Mk I
*Blenheim (TBM3 - it can be used as a level bomber, and has a similar speed and only a slightly increased bomb load and defensive armament)
Axis
Bf109E
Bf110C
Ju87
Ju88
Day 3: Feb/Mar/April/May 1941
Allies - add Spit Vb
add Hurricane IIC
add Boston III
remove Blenheim/TBM
Axis - add Bf109F
Remove Bf110C (all zerstorer units had departed for other fronts)
Remove Ju87
Day 4: June/July/Aug/Sep 1941
Allies - remove Hurricane I
Axis - remove Bf109E
Day 5: Oct/Nov/Dec/Jan 1942
Allies - remove Spit I
Axis - add Fw190A5
Day 6: Feb/Mar/April/May 1942
Allies - unchanged
Axis - Bf109F available at rear fields only (being phased out in favor of the 190)
Day 7: June/July/Aug/Sept 1942
Allies - add Spit IX (rear bases only)
add B-17 (rear bases only)
remove Hurri IIC
Axis - add Bf109G2 (rear fields only - only used to re-equip a few units at first)
remove Bf109F
Day 8: Oct/Nov/Dec/Jan 1943
Allies - Spit IX now available at all bases
B-17 now available at all bases
add B-24
Axis - unchanged
Day 9: Feb/Mar/Aprl/May 1943
Allies - add Spit VIII (rear fields only)
add P-47D11 (rear fields only)
add B-26 (rear fields only)
Axis - add Bf109G6
Bf109G2 now available at all bases
Day 10: June/July/Aug/Sept 1943
Allies - add Typhoon (I kinda have a problem with this one, as our Typhoon vastly outperforms every other fighter at lower alts during this time period - maybe limit it to rear fields only)
P-47D now available at all fields
Axis - add Bf110G (rear fields only - was used in limited numbers as a bomber destroyer over germany - not as a jabo attacking england)
Day 11: Oct/Nov/Dec/Jan 1944
Allies - add P-38G (rear fields only)
add P-38J (rear fields only)
add P-51B (rear fields only)
Spit VIII now available at all fields
B26 now available at all fields
remove Spit V
Axis - remove Bf109G2
Day 12: Feb/Mar/Apr/May 1944
Allies - remove P-38G
add P-47D25 (rear fields only)
add P-51D (rear fields only)
add Spit XIV (rear fields only)
P-38J now available at all fields
P-51B now available at all fields
Axis - add Fw190A8
Day 13: June/July/Aug/Sep 1944
Allies - add P-38L
add Spit XVI
P-47D25 now available at all fields
P-51D now available at all fields
Typhoon now available at all fields, if it was limited previously
add Tempest V (rear fields only)
Axis - add Bf109G14
add Me163 (HQ field only)
Day 14: Oct/Nov/Dec/Jan 1945
Allies - Spit XIV now available at all fields
Tempest V now available at all fields
add P-47D40
add P-47N (rear fields only - sub for 47M)
Axis - add Bf109K
add Fw190D
add Me262 (HQ field only)
remove Fw190A5
add Ta152H (HQ field only - extremely rare, subject to same level of restriction as the jets)
add Ar234 (HQ field only)
So, what are everyone's opinions on that one? It would have different planes almost daily for the next 2 weeks...
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look carefully at the options presented. if you are asking for suggestions this is mine
replace the HurriIIc with the IId. they were both ground attack platforms the HurriIIc is much more than that in AH.
day 3 leaves axis with only the 109F leave the 110C in until the hurriI is out. add the A5 the 190A3 should be there
day 7 you are removing the 109F but only adding the 109G2 in back fields???? the A5 vs the spits????
day 8 add the G6
the 109E, 109F and 109G2 served on most fronts until the end of the war with german allies, something you may want to consider. the soviets recieved a few war weary spitVs which also served late into the war.
I suggest not removing choices but adding to them and let the players decided what they will fly. perhaps have the representation of varied fronts by allowing certain planesets at different bases?
a lot of thought went into that list sable I by no means intend to impugn your information or time line my concern is more with the playability of the set up.
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Hey,
I stopped in last night and flew for the glorious Luftwaffe. I was only able to stay on for a bit, but it was quite fun. I still can’t get the hang of those Luftwaffe plains, but the FM-2 is blue and “danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings.”*
Phaser11
High Flight by John G. Magee, Jr.
*http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/prewwii/jgm.htm
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Originally posted by storch
I suggest not removing choices but adding to them and let the players decided what they will fly. perhaps have the representation of varied fronts by allowing certain planesets at different bases?
a lot of thought went into that list sable I by no means intend to impugn your information or time line my concern is more with the playability of the set up.
Good thoughts, Storch. My own view is: Let's try the historic route this first time. The setup will only run two weeks, and the plane sets change some every couple of days. There will be nights when one side or the other takes its turn in the barrel, and I think that can be interesting, simply because it gives you the perspective of what it's like to fly when the odds are against you (like, I don't already know how that feels). The next night it's the other guy's turn.
- oldman
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Hurri IIc was not introduced as a ground attack aircraft. Sorry Storch, but that is just wishful thinking.
Where is the Lancaster and Mosquito in the list?
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I was just thinking the same thing Karnak after reading the Mosquito thread - big OOPS on my part. Let me do a little research and I'll post an update.
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sounds great!
and yes, please toss in the Mossie as well.
Bozon
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Originally posted by storch
day 3 leaves axis with only the 109F leave the 110C in until the hurriI is out. add the A5 the 190A3 should be there
day 7 you are removing the 109F but only adding the 109G2 in back fields???? the A5 vs the spits????
day 8 add the G6
this is ETO only right? If yes, 109s are limited in mid war. 190s made up the majority of fighters in the west.
btw spit 8 never served in NW europe (ETO).
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I think the warfront is probably generic so the spitVIII should be there.
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The Spit VIII is meant as an LF.IX sub ... we could use the XVI, but I think the VIII is a little closer to the performance of a typical full span winged LF.IX, and has the correct period armament. I also believe the VIII is a little slower on the deck vs. our slow 190A5, where the XVI would be equal or a bit faster.
With regard to the Lancaster, it appears that bomber command made one daylight raid with them in 1942 and then kept to the cover of darkness until spring of 44 in preparation for D-Day.
I'm thinking rear field access on day 6, with it being removed the next day, and then added to all fields again on day 12.
Still looking into Mossie daylight useage. Anyone with more info or corrections, please feel free to jump in. Ultimately it's for the AvA staff to use as they see fit, so the more info the better.
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Originally posted by storch
day 3 leaves axis with only the 109F leave the 110C in until the hurriI is out. add the A5 the 190A3 should be there
day 7 you are removing the 109F but only adding the 109G2 in back fields???? the A5 vs the spits????
day 8 add the G6
the 109E, 109F and 109G2 served on most fronts until the end of the war with german allies, something you may want to consider. the soviets recieved a few war weary spitVs which also served late into the war.
Storch is right, dont remove the 109F-4 until the G-2 is available at all bases. An even better idea, as he said, would be to leave the 109F-4/G-2 in until the end of the war if for no other reason than to give the Axis something that will turn.
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It looks like the Mosquito should come in on Day 9 limited to the rear fields, and then be fully available on Day 11.
With regard to the 109 availability, the reason I phase them out and limit their availability is because the 190 was the primary fighter on the channel front at that time. For instance look at August of 1942. This is when the Dieppe raid occured, resulting in some of the most intense air combat of the mid war period in the west. At that time the Stabs and Gruppen of JG2 and JG26 were equipped entirely with the Fw190. They each had a Hoehen staffel (10-15 aircraft) equipped with the new Bf109G's, but both units were based in Munich and about to be transferred to Tunisia.
In the spring and summer of 1943 the 109 makes a return to western front action, as II/JG2 and III/JG26 (about 30-40 aircraft for each Gruppe) both convert to the 109G, and the 8th AF bombers start pushing deeper in Europe and encountering the Bf109 equipped gruppen of JG1 and JG11.
As for the types of 109s available, it's based on what was on the books for the active fighter units that were seeing action in the west. Yes there were still a few 109E's an F's around in 43 and 44, but they were assigned to training units. The only "combat" they saw was when some roving US fighters strafed their field and maybe caught some poor student in the pattern. As a rule, the frontline gruppen were being supplied entirely with the latest models, and were trading in their older mounts (which probably went to the schools) for them.
All that being said, if the setup isn't fun to play then it should definitely be tweaked as necessary.
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OK, I wasnt aware that there were periods that the 109 was nearly absent. Your setup make more sense after knowing that.
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A big WTG and Congrats on the AvA!!
I'm having fun in AH again, and the AvA is the reason.
The fights have been great, and the winging has been awesome.
Batfink, Storch, Oldman, Wild, Shifty, and many more...great fights and even better wingman.
Nice Work!
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Yeah it's been a great week. Nice job tonight Stringer
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yes sir stringer you are fun to play both with and against.
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Last night was a blast... :)
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Great job on the AvA with the rolling plane set!
Your efforts have brought at least one new pilot into the AH skies. I have a brother who played Brand W for years but who got disillusioned soon after WBIII and quit. He hasn't flown for a couple years. I have tried to talk him into trying out Aces High for a couple years now but he just wouldn't do it.
Last night I told him about the new AvA arena with the RPS and that's all it took. He signed right up.
Keep up the good work and keep that RPS going. We're loving it.
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I've had great fun here, too.
I'm not sure why it is a lot more popular than the previous Combat Theater was. Perhaps it's that there is an ongoing theme and rolling plane set. Whatever the reason, it works, and it's fairly popular.
I flew a little in the old Combat Theater, but when participation dropped off to single digits, I stopped going there. Axis vs. Allies seems to have more people in it usually.
Anyway, again, it is a blast, and congratulations to the folks behind it.
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Great work with AvA arena.... Rolling planeset is great!
As far as im concered, Combat Tour is here. :)
Keep up the good work ! :aok
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Originally posted by storch
pfft jerry is wayyyyy overmodelled
:rofl
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I've never enjoyed getting shot down so much...
The action is very enjoyable
plus I get to fly a cool looking JG 54 emil:aok
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I had a great time flying the AvA arena last night. MUCH BETTER FIGHTS than the MA!!!
Its a leveled playing field, with skilled pilots and better teamwork.
the AvA!
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Umm, just as a clarification (since everyone's bringing up this old thread ;)) - we're having the 1 month RPS now, and not the 2-week RPS I posted in this thread.
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Originally posted by Grits
Storch is right, dont remove the 109F-4....
Whoa! just stop right there..Storch is right about sumthin?:confused:
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AvA is SWEEEEEEET it's a great break from the MA, I hope that there will be the pacific theater next.
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Well, there's still 3 weeks of this RPS setup left (with the BoB map). But one request for PTO setup recorded...
Actually, I think we may *have to* run a new map (can't reveal which one, yet, but it's ETO) after this RPS-thing to get the map tested for an upcoming scenario. :D
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HI for those of us that ride the Short bus wots
RPS
ETO
PTO...
RSVP
RIP
DOA
ect stand for
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Rolling Plane Set - RPS
European Theatre (or Theater?) of Operations - ETO
Pacific Theatre of Operations - PTO
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Doh.. Thanks sir
~S~
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No strat.
YAWN.
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BoB map is too small as for RPS
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Bozon Hi! How are you old fruit:D