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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hblair on January 20, 2001, 10:56:00 AM
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Last night the rooks had a few fields captured from them. One was P32, I was there defending it, along with the rest of my squad and several other guys. We had killed several M3's and C47's earlier. We had bull in an osti on the field very close to the hangar, zigrat in the air right above the action (I'd say less than 3k), and other friendlys right there. All of a sudden, our field gets captured. Nobody saw anything. No goon, No M3, No troops, No nothing.
After chatting with hangtime and buhdman on channel 1, I just chalked this up as an "oh well", one of those things. But then there were a couple more captures later in the evening where the defenders at the captured field didn't see anything. I'm wondering if this isn't some kinda bug with the new patch.
Anyone else witness this kinda thing?
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Hi alt troop bug still there?
AKDejaVu
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DjV the invisible troops used to work like if you were more than 4-5k away from the goon as it kicked out the troops you couldna see them. If you closed inside that range as the troops were being kicked out you could only see the ones kicked out after you closed inside that range. BTW this bug seems to still be here. I've gone diving into a field knowning the troops were already on the ground. Dive straight at the map room, firing all the way and hitting all around the map room, and have a wing peeled by ack on the pullout. Only been in a position to see this one once since 1.05 came out though.
Last night at A43 buhdman drops troops. I'm in an N1K and 400yds behind him (he said he saw 500yds on his FE). I saw NO troops, only a flaming goon. I spent a good deal of ammo shooting into the open air as I brought my nose around to lead him, the purpose being to kill any troops that came out the door. Buhdman goes down in flames and I look around for another target then decide to land. Then the ack starts shooting at me so I bug out north, and was a verra unhappy camper to boot.
Buhdman said he saw troops and me behind him. I saw NO troops was totally surprised and peeved when A43 was captured. At first I thought a bish fleet had drawn near because of the flak bursts.
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Been seeing this for some time now. Not new in latest patch. I've been sitting right next to map room before and had the base taken even tho I'm in external view and see nothing. Worst case was about a week ago when we had just defended aginst an attack and our dar showed nothing in our sector at all and the base was captured.
Strange stuff but I gave up a long time ago trying to figure it out.
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It always amazes me to see this kind of post made.. then the usual "Yeah.. I've seen this too".
A review of the "BUG REPORTS FORUM" shows no mention of it. Why is it that people don't report those things there.. in the forum that was designed especially to highlight bugs... BEFORE squeaking about them here?
sheesh.
AKDejaVu
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That was a weird one alright. I'd estimate about 40-50 players from both sides were involved in the action.. a 'maximum effort' from both rooks and bish.
I have no idea what happened precisely over the map room.. I do know that the majority of the air and ground action was about 4 miles west of the port and very low, and that the goon made a 3k high approach from the east and got to the port unopposed. I saw the ostie was backed up against the tower and his field of view towards the water was restricted... I overflew him a few moments before, and was working back for a rocket attack on him when I got caught and bagged out to the west. It's my understanding the troops landed near the dock and got to the map room from the osties 'blind' side.
It's quite possible the troops were simply missed in all the action.. and there WAS a tremendous amount of action going on there.. classic last ditch defense of a port with a fleet and plenty of determined rooks to make it stick. I suspect that at least 30 attempts were made with m3's and goons on that field over the preceeding 30 minutes.. several guys managed to get a few troops into the map room; myself included.
Certainly it's possible the troops are still bugged.. and I'll keep an eye out for this kinda stuff popping up. If anybody else sees it; try and run film on it.. if theres a problem HTC needs to fix it.
Salute all u guys that fought that action.. was a heluva show. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
EDIT: as an aside.. the goon pilots that fly into these mele's deserve to be to treated with a little respect... if there is bug with the troops, it sure ain't their fault. If somethings wrong; just film it and send it in.. don't lambaste the poor bastard thats flyin an unarmed plane into a combat zone for doin his job..
[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 01-20-2001).]
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
It always amazes me to see this kind of post made.. then the usual "Yeah.. I've seen this too".
A review of the "BUG REPORTS FORUM" shows no mention of it. Why is it that people don't report those things there.. in the forum that was designed especially to highlight bugs... BEFORE squeaking about them here?
sheesh.
AKDejaVu
Take a midol.
If you're talking about me, dejavu, this is a thread asking other guys *if* they've seen this. If enough people have, I guess you could call it a *bug*. Then I would put it in that forum.
I'm not sure it's still a bug myself, are you?
Thanks,
hblair
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Yeah that was definately a good fight...nice of you to lead me away in your pony too hangtime (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) This does need to go in the bug reports forum though, and get bumped up to the top of the list.Hmmm, whilst I'm thinking about it I'll go ahead and copy/post it there. No need to thank me,glad to do it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by hblair:
Take a midol.
LOL or a Pamprin (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Good points hangtime. It's nice to know something can seem to be afoul in the arena, the two sides discuss it like we did last night, and no ill will come out of it. Kinda like it WAS going in this thread.
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Had it happen both ways last night at V6.
Rooks attacked it and the C47 was landing and caught a gear and was a bit away from the base. He dropped troops anyway. The enemy fighters around never saw the troops and we got the base.
Then the Bish took it back....We had 3 osties ON the field. The goon stayed abit away, low alt. and dropped troops (I think, only a guess though, perhaps one of the NH's or rollo can confirm where the goon dropped). Anyway none of the osti's saw the drunks. Next thing we know the Ack is shooting at us. No biggie really, just seems weird. I think the trooper icons should be visible within 1.5k no matter if you saw the drop or not.
Either way, it was a hell of a fight at V6...<S> to the NH's, and Rollo and all the other bish's there last night.
Cobra
[This message has been edited by Cobra (edited 01-20-2001).]
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Old old bug (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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<punt> I think the knights have something to add to this...
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Yessir - the knights have something to add. After fighting our way out of the god forsaken corner of hell, we managed to gain quite a bit of territory. We were defending A9, had 3 ostwinds on the field, and all the sudden lose it to the rooks. How you ask? Of course, the invisible troop drop. HTC - DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS! The rooks of course then proceeded down the coast to attack 10. FIX THE BIG PLEASE
Nimitz
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I witnessed a field capture tonight A10... where not only did I not see any enemy planes, but our ack and all hangers were up. Took off... started getting alt... got to about 10K and the field was captured! I haven't a clue what happened, but something fishy is going on. This couldn't just be invisible troops becuase the ack still would shoot them right?
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I was sitting on a field with others onetime defending in an ostwind & goons appeared from no where & more than once. (maybe 10 days ago) Was parked by the map room & troops just started running in the room. It was strange to say the least.
I didn't report it as a bug though, just figured rooks were hacking or something.
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Nimitz,
I will say that the rook who dropped the troops for A9 (thatguy) was not aware of the bug. It was a crummy way to get the field, I agree, but we're not the types who intentionally exploit bugs and screw you or your country. (that's what the sheep are for.) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
All's fair in love and war...
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nimitz
dont point fingers til you hear this story at p42. I was tooling around with the squad at p42 as the knights were attacking. with about 4 goon kills under my belt here comes a goon at about 6k. My squad co swoops in for the kill as im on his 6 at about 2.0 i see the goon go boom but no troops. 2 minutes later P42 is captured by knights. and there isnt a enm plane in the sector.
RWY
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Shift+f1 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Pointing fingers? I am not meaning to point fingers at anyone. I am sure there are pilots on all sides who are exploiting this bug, it just so happened that it was exploited against me by a rook.
I just want the bug fixed - thats all I ask (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nimitz
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the invisible troops have been reported in the bug forum several times.
I do know that troops can be dropped some distance away from a field, (I won't say how far), and still stroll in and NOT be seen by anyone or anything even the AI aaa.
(from any vehicle, so it's easy to get close enuff and not be visible to the field).
It's been that way every since we got the little buggers.
If ya don't actually see them as the very 1st one jumps, you'll never see em..
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Well....IMO, drunks should get rid of their icons. At all. It has no sense to have those neon boresights on each one of them's head. If you give a goon the chance to drop, expect the base to be captured sooner or later.
If a paratrooper drops near a field, he shold stay as out of sight as possible. Is it right to drop over enemy field shouting "here, here!!! Shoot here!!"?. That's what Icons do right now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cheers,
Pepe
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
It always amazes me to see this kind of post made.. then the usual "Yeah.. I've seen this too".
A review of the "BUG REPORTS FORUM" shows no mention of it. Why is it that people don't report those things there.. in the forum that was designed especially to highlight bugs... BEFORE squeaking about them here?
sheesh.
AKDejaVu
DejaVu your always in the know. <S>
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Originally posted by SC-GreyBeard:
the invisible troops have been reported in the bug forum several times.
I do know that troops can be dropped some distance away from a field, (I won't say how far), and still stroll in and NOT be seen by anyone or anything even the AI aaa.
(from any vehicle, so it's easy to get close enuff and not be visible to the field).
It's been that way every since we got the little buggers.
If ya don't actually see them as the very 1st one jumps, you'll never see em..
I've always seen them as far as I know. I have an idea of what you mean about being able to drop quite a ways out. I accidently dropped troops one time on the beta map about 5 miles from one of the VH bases in the canyons. I flew over the same area in a fighter about 10 min later and it looked like they were still trying to get to the base. If they ever did or not I don't know.
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Yesterday it happened to me. I was patrolling at mid altitude over a burning base, away from the atention of the main action and trying to hide my own presence, when this C-47 comes very low. I bounced the goon, completely unaware of my presence at this moment, and man... did it blow up good. BOOM !!!!!
He had no time to land nor drop any drunks, but that base was captured just 20 secs after I killed him. I can affirm that no other planes nor vehicles were in thar area, only this goon.
Was really depressing.
GADGET
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Hehe, you guys are looking for black helicopters too right? Many times I've captured fields by taking an M3 up to about 500 yards from the field, release them in a manner where they walk behind the Osties covering the field, and capture the field. Can be done with goon too, but tougher to not be detected.