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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Geary420 on January 16, 2006, 12:07:11 PM
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I have recently taken quite a liking to the 38, especially the G and I do quite well in it. The only thing that seems to stump me is once in a while if I push it past the limit I find myself in a stall that reults in a nose down attitude spinning extremely fast. No matter what I do I can't get out of it, I have tried everything and nothing ever seems to help. I feel like such a noob for asking.
Thanx in advance for any replies.
TecNine
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Try cutting throttle in one engine. If you're spinning to the left, cut the right engine and rudder hard to the right.
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Cool, I wondered if that might not help, hopefully I wont have to put it into practice anytime soon though.
Really appreciate the help, although I'm still a little butt hurt about you killing me like 4 times in a row last night.... ya la7 dweeb.
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cut throttle and counter rudder the direction of the spin
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lol, I was only flying the la7 cuz I was drunk :p Alcohol severely inhibits my ability to pay attention, so flying a UFO is my only option :noid
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hehe, its ok, that was one wicked furball, and I'm sure there was much dweebery on both sides. Was hella fun though.
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geary.... step 1 would be DO NOT STALL IT INTO A FLAT SPIN EVER lol j/k :) every now and then I smash too much rudder in the 38 and do the same thing, only thing you can do is what is mentioned above and hope you have enough alt to recover, I've been flyin the 38's for a while now and have pretty much gotten used to the stall in em, and hardly ever flat spin em any more... ( unless I'm in the DA fighting Murdr :) )
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I would love to find out how to fly those 38's. I have found, that it is better to look good while in flat spin, and go down Guns-a-Blazing, all the way to the deck. Does not help with the recovery process, but I Look Good!
Learning to gracefully, and not mad, has helped me alot with this AH community. I still sux, but hey, I am having FUN. SILAT has helped me alot to die with grace. But, the rest of the learning curve, takes talent and aptitude, on MY part, which, it seems, I lack from birth.. there are youngsters that squeek when they jabber on vox, that fly the crap outta these planes.... and please use text mode young-uns
(j/k :p )
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I would be glad to go to the DA sometime or the TA and get in a couple of workouts with ya if ya want to.... I'm usually on every day or so in the MA just send me a PM and we'll hop over there, I usually try and go to the DA every other day or so for 30min or so just to get in a quick workout :)
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Thanks for the offer! You are a gentleman and a scholar, and a fine judge of women....
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LOL LOL LOL LOL
I dont' know about the whole gentleman thing... I'm definately no scholar lol.... and if you knew about all my ex gf's you would know that I am in NO WAY a good judge of women LOL
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Originally posted by wetrat
Try cutting throttle in one engine. If you're spinning to the left, cut the right engine and rudder hard to the right.
As a fellow suffering Spinmeister in the 38, one additional point -- if you chop down too hard on the throttle, you can induce the same flat spin going the opposite direction (as I didi last night on a fatal 12k fall...).
New resolution -- select engine, decrease throttle steadily while givng rudder...and stabilize throttle when spin stabiliizes!!
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I never really switch to 1 engine or the other unless I'm running out of gas, I can't really tell a differance when running just 1 engine or the other when it comes to turning radius, all it does for me, is get me real slow to the point of flat spin... I've found the best way is just to avoid the spin all together which really isn't that hard as long as you manage your speed, attitude, and rudder correctly... Every now and then it still happens, but to me cutting 1 engine or the other really doesn't help IMHO, its just more buttons to mess with, besides, once you get that nose to finally drop in the flat spin, you want as much power as quickly as you can get it because you are now loosing alt quickly, if you have to start your #2 engine then it will take you allot longer to pull out of the stall... Only times I ever use 1 eng is for fuel consumption and if I have damage. Say my left wing is torn in half, I will cut my right engine and just run on my left so I won't have to ride my rudder the whole way back
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and if you think a 38 has a nasty flat spin... try flyin a 110 G2 LOL
I think those things are unrecoverable in a flat spin from 12k or under LOL.. .The 38's really not that bad considering it is nose heavy and has a natural tendency to drop when approching the stall, especially with your throttle cut... Next time your flyin a 38, do a zoom climb all the way up until you stall out, then just push the nose forward, it will drop straight down like a rock, thats how I beat spitty's in the verticle, at the top of the loops, cut that throttle and stall the nose will drop right down like no plane in the game, IMO that is the 38's best weapon :)
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you can also go here to our squads website and check out some great P38 videos posted by Murdr, Akak, and I even think Pellik has some on here... This is how I mainly learned the plane was watching these guys... Just go to the Downloads section, then Films, a real good 1 is the 1st film by Murdr called 14in38L its a good vid :)
http://479th.jasminemarie.com/
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Originally posted by daMIG
I would love to find out how to fly those 38's. I have found, that it is better to look good while in flat spin, and go down Guns-a-Blazing, all the way to the deck. Does not help with the recovery process, but I Look Good!
Heh, it looks alot prettier when you throw an intentional spin, shoot your enemy while in the spin, and recover like in this film :)
(http://479th.jasminemarie.com/films/spinshot1.jpg) (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=39)
{click image for film}
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If you push forward on the stick before you really hit the spin you can avoid it pretty consistantly. This flat spin should only really catch you if your nose high when an engine dies.
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That's not the spin in question. The spin Geary mentioned comes from being between 10-90 degrees nose down while pulling max controled elevators, and one of the following: exceeding max elevators, retracting flaps (if they were down), a sudden rudder input, or hard aeliron input.
This results in an abrupt tail round spin which can vary in severity. How to recover was explaned in the first reply, which was why I didnt bother to chime in.
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"Heh, it looks alot prettier when you throw an intentional spin, shoot your enemy while in the spin, and recover like in this film "
Showoff !!!!!
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I was wondering if you would post that film or a screen shot of you goint into that spin/stall on purpose Murdr, I remember when you did it, I was like no fluff'ng way did he just did that LOL...
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the more I know, the more I know how little I know:eek:
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P-38s suck. Dismissed.
ack-ack
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No, only thing that sucks is P38 drivers that leave and don't return.
:cry
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P38 is not a bad plane... for a two-engined Bomber! :p :t
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Originally posted by Delirium
No, only thing that sucks is P38 drivers that leave and don't return.
:cry
I'm starting to hear the Lightning Bitcch Goddess call out to me with her siren song again.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Delirium
No, only thing that sucks is P38 drivers that leave and don't return.
what does that mean?
btw "2 engine bomber" now Thats Funny right there, I dont care Who you are. Schatzi got JOKES :rolleyes:
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he was refering to akak currently being on hiatus from AH
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Ty murdr,
:D
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flaps and back out of your stall with forward mouse rolling, will get you out of anything but a flatspin.
good luck
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best way to avoid the stall is to not fly that pos plane. :aok
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If I were AKAK, Id feel insulted at being grouped with Lazer ;)
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Yeah, AKAK should take pride in the amount of time it takes him to get to his cruising alt of 20k. ;)
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Originally posted by Murdr
If I were AKAK, Id feel insulted at being grouped with Lazer ;)
Hell, Lazer should be honored to be mentioned in the same breath as me.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Lazerr
Yeah, AKAK should take pride in the amount of time it takes him to get to his cruising alt of 20k. ;)
Hehehe...that reminds me that I have to post a film I made the other night when I popped in for a flight to shake the rust off. Had a Rookie whine about my altitude because I popped him and this two buddies trying to vulch a friendly field.
ack-ack